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0:00 Overview
1:16 Research
2:37 Setting Radars, Stealth & Weapons
6:35 Testing R-77-1 & AESA Stealth Detection
9:02 Battle Details
13:34 Predictions
14:02 Take Off
25:58 Combat
33:54 Debrief
Ukraine-Russia Series:
IMPROVED Stealth vs Russian Bombers: • HUGELY IMPROVED Could ...
Ukraine Using Hellfire Missile?: • Could Ukrainian Jets U...
US Harpoons vs Russian Navy: • Could Ukrainian Migs H...
Ukraine Using APKWS?: • Could Ukrainian Mi-17s...
Ukraine US HARMs vs Russian S-400: • Is Ukraine Hitting Rus...
Patriot/NASAMS vs Supersonic Missiles: • Video
Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: • Mig-29 & Su-27 vs Su-3...
NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: • Could US-Supplied NASA...
Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: • Could Russian Air-Laun...
Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: • Could Ukrainian Su-27s...
Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: • Could Su-25s Penetrate...
NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: • Could NATO Eurofighter...
Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: • Could Patriot, Gepard ...
A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: • Could A-10s Penetrate ...
USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: • Could Russian Su-35, S...
USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: • Could USAF Strike Pene...
Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: • Could Ukrainian Jets P...
F-22 Raptors vs Russian Fighters: • Could F-22 Raptors Dom...
Raptor/Eagle vs Super Flanker: • F-22 Raptor & F-15 Eag...
USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: • Which Aircraft Can Pen...
Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: • 2022 Ukrainian Su-27 F...
Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: • Could USA Operate Stea...
Sinking Of Moskva #3: • Why The Moskva's Radar...
Sinking Of Moskva #2: • Ex-US Navy Guys Specul...
Sinking Of Moskva #1: • How Well Defended Was ...
Russia Nukes Britain: • Could Britain Be Defen...
Ukraine Uses Danish F-16s: • If Denmark Loaned F-16...
Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: • If Poland Loaned Mig-2...
Russian-Britain Missile Attack: • Could Britain Survive ...
Ghost Of Kyiv: • The Ghost Of Kyiv Comm...
Belgorod Raid: • Belgorod Raid: Could A...
Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: • Eurofighter Typhoon & ...
US Strike vs Odessa • Could A Coordinated US...
Russian Helo Rocket Lob: • Can Helicopters Really...
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Ukraine Using Hellfire Missile?: czcams.com/video/s_1YHDTmPPw/video.html
US Harpoons vs Russian Navy: czcams.com/video/Oiee83CWRcE/video.html
Ukraine Using APKWS?: czcams.com/video/FBxV9YuAfaw/video.html
Ukraine US HARMs vs Russian S-400: czcams.com/video/eSyEOXsjWo8/video.html
Patriot/NASAMS vs Supersonic Missiles: czcams.com/video/i1q7uDeinA4/video.html
Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: czcams.com/video/BhXfxc94JAU/video.html
NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: czcams.com/video/pJI_b95jzpk/video.html
Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: czcams.com/video/cnrVxqL5q9w/video.html
Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: czcams.com/video/T_oRoU2Ayfo/video.html
Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: czcams.com/video/ryV65bUJzrw/video.html
NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: czcams.com/video/EiJ2dFRh95g/video.html
Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: czcams.com/video/ZhxdrNjig1g/video.html
A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: czcams.com/video/B0tZoo0uLh4/video.html
USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: czcams.com/video/0vpi8xBygV8/video.html
USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: czcams.com/video/IJbf9Bcxnw0/video.html
Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: czcams.com/video/I8FumuZReB4/video.html
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Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: czcams.com/video/BX696MKdkb8/video.html
Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: czcams.com/video/rym90jnQDsA/video.html
Sinking Of Moskva #3: czcams.com/video/NIjoyIieOzY/video.html
Sinking Of Moskva #2: czcams.com/video/snjfbj_EwW4/video.html
Sinking Of Moskva #1: czcams.com/video/Bxwh6MGLJNc/video.html
Russia Nukes Britain: czcams.com/video/rzk45RFQwA8/video.html
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Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: czcams.com/video/zCi4tAIzuOU/video.html
Russian-Britain Missile Attack: czcams.com/video/zwIGfabvzHA/video.html
Ghost Of Kyiv: czcams.com/video/Yrct8V4n1-U/video.html
Belgorod Raid: czcams.com/video/mQykTxt6ftw/video.html
Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: czcams.com/video/MPyIipEhgR0/video.html
US Strike vs Odessa czcams.com/video/KeiOHgzic6Y/video.html
Russian Helo Rocket Lob: czcams.com/video/118GgGnP_sM/video.html
Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: czcams.com/video/asp69ZD_tO0/video.html
Understanding Russian SAMs: czcams.com/video/R4xTxLNZXcw/video.html
Ukrainian Jets Road Operations: czcams.com/video/hBpzQhinPbw/video.html
Russian 40 Mile Convoy: czcams.com/video/Vr_-2FLblBk/video.html
Flanker vs Super Flanker: czcams.com/video/VOAuOFLJGk4/video.html
Can you do nato carrier group vs Chinese Russian And Indian carrier group?
When will you get the F35 cockpit working? really wanna see you fly with that huge mfcd screen and maybe even the AR helmet?
Constructive suggestion. In my humble estimation, I would argue that your AI was perhaps not quite realistic, because, in real life, the Raptor would have fired at 40 miles, then avoided coming within 15 miles of the SU-57, so the SU-57 never would have had a chance to fire, because it never would have been able to acquire a target lock... In real life, pilots are clever like that, when their life is on the line... At least the American ones are anyway. ;)
@@christopherfox7650 I'd like to see India versus China in Tibet, but please take the time to really model the forces in that area. My understanding is that all the Chinese air bases are at very high altitude, 10k+ feet, and this makes a big difference. At least that's what Air Marshall Chopra says. Please watch his video too, and use that to design the scenario. You might then even CC his organization a link to the sim, but just bear in mind they'll probably respond with several additional simulation requests. :) Air Marshal Anil Chopra, head of the Centre for Air Power: ‘China’s Infra In Tibet Is Impressive But India Has Not Been Idle’
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Excellent simulation though. Thank you for doing these. Would like to see Mighty Dragon datalinked to SU-35 passive radar sensors and IRST. I think that's the way the SU-57 is really supposed to operate. The AWACS, SU-35s and S-400s are its eyes and ears, primarily, I would imagine. In fact, it is my understanding that, typically, SU-57s would normally only operate within the protective envelope of S-400s, Russian AWACS and/or Russian naval search radars, and any 2 or more search radars actually can, in theory, potentially create a weapons quality track, for any aircraft in the area with datalink, from what I understand. So the SU-57s and the tanks would actually both be behind the S-400 and AWACS envelope. Parking the tanks and the SU-57 outside the S-400 envelope must have felt almost like cheating! Just kidding. Anyway, I believe Chinese doctrine is similar, in many respects, but it begins to break down if you really want to project power out beyond the 2nd island chain, in which case, those J-20s may very well operate well outside of naval and ground based integrated air defense envelopes. However, in an area like Tibet, or Taiwan, I think the Taiwanese coasts may well be within the Chinese air defense envelope, not to mention all the naval radars that would be just off-shore in a real war. Over Tibet, I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to map out where the Chinese air defenses in that region are, and what their detection and missile ranges are, how that would affect Indian aircraft. India is very worried about being attacked by Pakistan and China at the same time, particularly from the air. I can understand why. Apparently 60% of the Pakistani Air Force is made in China, and apparently, much of the rest is F-16s!
I love how grump is calm and collected, and Cap is basically shoutcasting the fight
I love how people summarize the video in the comment section. That way as soon as the video starts on my phone I already know what’s going to happen.
I would quite like GR to release a few vids with the option of viewing with only sfx and no Cap. Because I think I without Cap the videos wouldn't be half as entertaining, but there is no way to really know.
The variety of airmanship and personalities is always fun to watch. Miss their shitty takeoffs tho
And thus why we tune in. 👍😜🤞🖖🤙✌️
@@mk6315 ya, GR tradition is that somebody always explodes on takeoff, this is unrealistic GR video.
I recall a documentary from years ago where a Russian pilot was demo-ing the 'cobra' maneuver in a SU-27 and an F-16 pilot saying that he would love nothing better than to have an enemy jet stop in midair...
Depends on the distance.
There are so few SU-57s because the Russian economy cant afford to build such high tech vehicles in mass. They have the same issue with the T-14. Perun did a great video on the difference between western production power vs Russian production power.
They built the Felon to sell it. They can't afford stealth.
@@theelviscerator you have your brain to use it.. But... You don't
@@foshizzlfizzl lol
That's what I came to say. I am surprised that he didn't know that.
And they are hand built too, very little to no auto-manufactored parts (i think the SU-34 produciton run was similar), so perhaps a explanation as to the extremely low production run thus far. I mean, take a look at the LM factory for the F-35 compared to Sukhois factory building the Felon....night and day...
Next part would be to somehow make the different Radar Crossection from different angles work. Or atleast have a different RCS from front, back, sides and top and bottom. From my understanding a Stealthplane is still incredibly vissibly to radar from the back or when banking. Essentially much of the RCS reduction relies on reflection in different directions, but tailplanes and wings still are flat when at right angle to the radar. Sure its just a small blib but the whole idea of Planformalignment (most angled surfaces have the same angle, intake, wing leading edges and such) is to have only that small angle more visible, but that is deffinately enough to get a perfect blib for a second or two.
yeah most stealth planes have big RCS from behind and such
Hence why flight planning is the most critical part of stealth employment. You're threading a needle through air defense. Lower RCS from all aspects equals a thinner thread. Higher RCS is like putting a shoe lace through a needle.
F35s and other stealth platforms presumably have screens showing your plane's detection bubble to different air defense systems. Mobile air defense radars pose the most significant challenge for mission planning. However low frequency systems are hard to move rapidly. Stealth is designed to defeat high frequency targeting radars so easily maneuverable air defense platforms with HF radars pose less of a threat.
IR stealth is more important now due to it's effectiveness at "closing the loop" of the the pin the stealth plane is trying to fly. Radar may miss it but IR may see it in between the gaps in radar coverage to likely targets.
6th gen is designed to counter all of the networked radars by traditional stealth, IR stealth and unmanned forward observers for all intents and purposes with the loyal wingmen. They'll basically sniff out the most real time air defense maze to guide the primary aircraft through.
Once air defense is destroyed, the extremely expensive stealth systems would be shelved until needed again and 4th/5th gens would take over from there.
The military conflict will be won in the first few hours. Cyber warfare on civilian infrastructure is the biggest threat in wartime. Things will be broken before war is declared.
Most of the surfaces you mention would have radar absorbing coatings to help with that, but the term "STEALTH" does not mean invisible to radar, this is a common misconception. The older lower frequency radars like what they use for early warning radar stations can actually quite easily pick up stealth aircraft, what stealth actually does is stop high-fidelity radar from acquiring a radar lock, essentially making it very difficult to impossible to get a fire solution for air to air and surface to air missiles. Technically speaking a 1950s radar station could spot and track most stealth air craft, but wouldn't be capable of acquiring an accurate target lock to fire anti-air weapons at it, nor would modern radars under most conditions.
Then let's also incorporate other sensors like thermal. 👍
Directional Infrared Countermeasures System (DIRCM), as well, for the Su-57.
The SU=57 is so stealthy that no one has even seen it in Ukraine. If it was half as good as they claim, there wouldn't be a Ukrainian air force anymore.
You don't understand. Russia actually had 9 Su 57s in Ukraine but the 3000 super jets of NATO shot them down.
The planes are so stealth no one can see them fly or take off. It's why Russia refused to use them in a parade in clear skies.
Kind of hard to destroy an Air Force if the planes can take off from them practically any expansive flat surface and Europe’s been constantly replenishing it with the entirety of its own former Warsaw Pact arsenal
@@rockfeller6351 LOL. What? 😂😂😂😂🤡🤡
Dude it’s so stealthy you can only find it in magazines lol
@@rockfeller6351 3000 excuses of russia
Small correction: the K-77M IS on the Su-57, it’s the only Russian aircraft as of yet that would carry it
Yes. True.
Could be on board you mean - if there are any combat worthy SU-57s.
a capital IS is not a really good source.
@@5Andysalive google
Thanks Cap and crew, never a dull moment in these simulations.
Hey Cap, thanks for the explanation at the start, it's been great watching GR over the last few years and seeing your knowledge base increasing
thx. I learn from you guys TBH.
What IF Russia really have operational SU-57s ? What IF Santa Claus really exsist? 😂
They are operational, and have attacked targets in Ukraine. But only 4 have been used there and are operational
😂 jokes on you they are being battle tested in Ukraine. Us has never faced a well equiped military with actual air defense to test their stealth aircraft Israel stopped flying f35 over Syria because s200 shot at and damaged 1.
@@marshalljulie3676 given the statistics of the Russian military hardware in Ukraine, I wouldn't be too confident in anything at all they have beyond their air defence systems and even then they've been struggling to do much.
Your AI was perhaps not quite realistic, because, in real life, I think the Raptor would have fired at 40 miles, then avoided coming within 15 miles of the SU-57, so the SU-57 never would have had a chance to fire... In real life, pilots are clever like that, when their life is on the line...
Yes they would have fired fox 3s and then egressed and the felon never would have known they even existed.
In real life su57 is stealth and the radar can pick f22 as done in syria by su35 witch they locked an f22. This video game mod is inaccurate.
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@@alekosalekadis6095 in "real life" su 57 isn't stealthy at all, and you can spot stealth planes with L band radars but can never get a lock, stop huffing humongous amount of copium
@@ashblythe9598 well mister professional about stealth technology! How its possible to know "you" more for stealth rather the Russian scientists 🤣. Oh you know from video games.
Personally i know cause o have video where su57 fly through air defenses and bombs in berdichev in north ukraine. So...🥲
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love to see you are moving closer and closer to reality, great content
The reason for so few Su-57s was that Russia was counting on India and other export partners to pay for Russian procurement through sales. It would turn out that that was not the case.
Tyey are 40 su57
@@alekosalekadis6095 Only 5. Coming from Russian MoD.
@@totalnerd5674 no. Russians dont update on west media information. They have 40 operational. They also used them in north ukraine.
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Of course you are free to believe whatever you want.
They originally had India as a partner in the program, and they were supposed to to buy as many as 214 SU-57's. However it was reduced to 144, and then in 2018 India pulled out of the program. They stated that it did not meet there requirements.
it took india 20 years to complete a 4th gen plane i dont think their opinon really matters when it comes to planes
@@ferrous3262 India was a major financial investor in the program. The SU-57 was heavily reliant on foreign investment, and when India pulled out they lost most of it.
Don't forget paying for a castle.
Paying for a castle can make paying for jets difficult.
Lucky guys, the SU57 absolutely flakes out when im flying it. Hopefully the next big update from CubanAce will fix it for me. Great vids Cap, keep em coming! I just bought into a full flight setup (ugh $$$$$$) and started learning DCS because of your videos.
Even that the Cuban ace didn't put all the specification on SU57 such as K 74M2 missile.
Awesome! If u have time, what did u get?
@@jimkluska253 Winwing Orion 2 setup with F16EX stick F18 throttle handles, VIRPIL ACE pedals, TrackIR5 and Monstertech chair mounts for the HOTAS. Expensive but worth it after my 1 year old TM 16000 decided to go nuts and throw ghost inputs every few seconds
@@vadenkwin wow! Man, u have the goods bro! Happy flying!
Thanks for the reply.
Inda were co-funding development og the Su-57 as well but realised it was vaporware in 2014, and pulled out by 2018, so the program is probably just straight up out of funds
India faced the reality of Russian hardware performance at first hand when their SU-30s failed to get a lock on Pakistani F-16s on their nose at about 15 miles as soon as they went above mach 1. The Indians were furious - they've effectively given up on Russian hardware - they are ditching R77 for Israeli missiles and are desperately trying to find a western partner foolish enough to sell them RADAR technology to upgrade their SU-30s domestically. The actual planes and missiles are very good mechanically - the electronics are flaky - at least 20 years out of date.
@@LondonSteveLee that's an interesting bit of history, yeah I was watching an aviation analyst channel that was talking about the Chinese J15s (essentially reverse engineered Su27/30 etc) having pretty formidable AESA radars, (actually I think the Grim Reaper DCS J15s have AESAs) unlike the Russian ones, which is an interesting reversal of what you might think. The Chinese Naval Air Force themselves are wary of their J15s for mechanical reliability problems so God knows that the Russian pilots think of theirs
Russia can’t product high quality semiconductors without the west and lacks the newest production methods.
That has changed since this year. Your info is outdated.
@@foshizzlfizzl Good laugh, they're still on 90nm
@@someone75413 Good laugh.. It's 28nm...
@@foshizzlfizzl The West had large scale commercial production of 28nm chips in 2011. It's still a useful process node and plenty of systems use hardware built on it, but it's a long way off the cutting edge. That said, military electronics are never cutting edge anyway for various reasons.
@@trolleriffic So? Your claim was 90nm. I can provide evidence Russia is able to make 28nm under sanctions. That's the whole point that you are wrong.
Hi Cap, don't know if you guys have tried this before but basically something like this sort of simulation would be perfect for it... Keeping your skilled human pilots in the dark about the other side. I.e. have the raptors going in saying protect the F35s and on the other side (obviously without you taking part because you know the plan) have the felons with the mission of go and patrol/protect the ground units? dont know if it would work but think it would be cool to see the pilots not knowing what they are up against as in real life (maybe?) :) really enjoyed the video though thank you!!
That’s an amazing idea!
"Has anyone found the fuel gauge?" Accurate russian air force roleplay.
behind the half empty vodka bottle
@GRIM REAPERS one of the main reason for few aircraft was India pulling out of the JV which was supposed to fund a major chunk of the R&D with an intial projected order of 150+ Airframes named FGFA. There was disagreement over TOT, workshare and IP which resulted in India pulling out so Russia has to go alone. Post Crimea things got even tougher for UAC and russian MOD to fund the project or put the aircraft in mass production. Hence low numbers.
May i also add to the SU-57 airframe debacle:
If we go by American standards of aircraft readiness, about 1/3 are under maintenance. But seeing the state the Moskva right before it sank, i would wager even less Su-57s are flight ready. They probably disassembled a few to repair other airframes.
Could you provide some sources for this?
@@foshizzlfizzl i did fix some things i failed to remember properly. But as my sources:
1/3 of American Jets are under maintenance: AirForce Times as well as Ryan Mcbeth.
State of the Moskva: LazerPig. He has professional analyst experience and made a video a few months after the Moskva sank to do proper research and to wait for all information to come out. I definitely reccomend his videos.
And the last part is speculation on my part. If they cant keep a warship together i doubt they can keep some 5th gen jets together.
@@zacharyjohnson8037 Ok but you realize, that your Statement about the quality of the Su-57 airframe is based ONLY on some speculations.. That are also based on assumptions from somebody else without any evidence?
@@foshizzlfizzl Lazerpig gives a pretty good analysis and his video has sources in the description wdym czcams.com/video/aNEtlMSCiCI/video.html
@@foshizzlfizzl there is evidence, russian mechanics released a file with the state of the Moskva before it sunk. The radar wasn't active, weapon sistem weren't active bc some were broken and some were turned off to save some energy. Communication were off in all parts of the ship, so there was no communication between the deck and the lower parts (don't remember how they are called). All weapons were off just to save some power. The captain didn't even realize the ship was hit at first. All of this because Russia couldn't pay for the repairs even before Ukraine
This was a terrific scenario, Cap. Nice to know that stealth is apparently fairly well modeled in DCS World.
It isn't. it's just a constant value independent of angle
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Granted. Maybe I meant to say the _effects_ of stealth modeling.
They may work on something better. They would never admit to any problems with it. But the numbers are certainly interesting.
Interesting parallel is the T-14 Armata. The alleged new Super tank (find hype videos on youtube). Which is surprisingly absent from... anywhere really. The numbers rumoured are probably in the vicinity of the SU-57.
More realistic, really cool and delightfully sarcastic video on the T-14 topic from Task & purpose. On how good or not it really is, and why it's nowhere. I could very well imagine that the same thing is going on here. And also with (some of) China's alleged US-equal hardware.
If you search online the t-14 started production on December 2021, so I am not sure what are your expectations.
T14 is genuinely very good, which is why there's only like 5 of them lol. It's also worth noting that the T14 isn't even really a new tank, it's very largely based off the Obj 195 which the soviets were working on right when the USSR collapsed. Also while being objectively better than all previous Russian tanks, it's just as susceptible to Javelin and other top attack munitions like hellfire, brimstone, spike, etc, so there's no reason to bring it to a place like Ukraine where they'd just get blown up.
Also Task and Purpose is a terrible source of information. Half of the stuff they post is very outdated, and some of it is embarrassingly just incorrect.
As far as China goes there's an important difference in how information reaches the public eye. For Russia they litteraly blast pro-russian propaganda on every social media outlet so of course that information is incredibly unreliable. China on the other hand keeps their stuff under wraps like most countries, so information about their platforms actually comes from western analysts and not some state propaganda channel.
@@92HazelMocha well it is better, it is lighter, it is faster, it is also better armoured, has a lot of high tech defenses (did somebody say Moskva?) but is also a lot cheaper ...That is just a bit much. Physics doesn't stop at Russias border to enable new "Wunderwaffen". And according to "online" not just better in all that than previous Russian tanks but than all other tanks anywhere. It's really worth looking up a few videos on why "the T-14 is the best tank ever".
@paveel12 oh. again? We had that claim a few times before. If i "search online" i find also stuff about cities on Pluto or Vladimirs other collected fairy tales. Not a great source against the blatant fact that's it is nowhere to be seen.
"I don't understand why there are so few SU-57s"
Because the Russian government has a limited military budget, not to mention that what little they do have is mostly lost to corruption. I'd be surprised if those 5 are actually flight ready based on what we saw with the Moskva.
even if felon was 2 to 1 better (which its not at best 1 to 1)this engagement would be a heavy loss for NATO but total loss for Russia so next mission Russia is using SU35. Eventually Russia will lose the attrition war and possibly in 2 weeks an NATO has air superiority.
2 weeks is generous, I'd say one week max.
@@92HazelMocha 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ stop watching Hollywood movies.. Read books...see Karl VII, Napoleon, Adolf.. They thought like you do...Russia proved them wrong...
@@foshizzlfizzl why are you spamming in every comment section? Nobody cares about what you think.
@@foshizzlfizzl Face it, the Russian military has shown itself to be a joke in this campaign. Bad planning, bad logistics, bad tactics and bad equipment that often doesn't work properly or breaks down quickly due to a lack of maintenance and spare parts because the money that should have paid for them has been stolen.
@@foshizzlfizzl War has changed a lot in the last 100 years lol. And air superiority is not the same as occupying an entire country.
Another Monday another morning GR video! ☕🍵
Cap - thanks to you and the lads of GR for putting in the work. I sound so much smarter than I am sitting around the bar... Cheers!
I suggest you look at Dr Carlo Kopp's estimates of the Su-57 from different angles. IMPORTANT: The RCS of the F-35 and F-22 is from the FRONT. The RCS is measured by the Russians as an average of ALL angles. F-22 is a lot more stealthy in the rear than the F-35 and Su-57. The Su-57 is stealthy from the front, the most important area. The Russians designed the Su-57 with long range stand off weapons rather than to penetrate aid defences risking a side shot at the lower rear fuselage.
Agree but my sim is not that complex. I just need to enter a single value.
@@grimreapers One needs to be fair to all aircraft involved otherwise it is garbage in garbage out. A good channel we can all learn from is Millennium 7 Star an Italian working in England in computer science who had a degree in aeronautical engineering. He did a 7 part series on the Su-57. He has recently done a video on the sensor fusion of the F-35 from an educated computer science POV.
These Grim Reaper sims are always a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for continually improving your simulation soft stats and scripts.
In addition to the range limitation, the frontal RCS of the SU-57 is going to go up considerably the moment the IRST is turned on and the RAM-cover is retracted. At that point it's essentially like putting a Luneburg lens on the front of the aircraft.
Su-57M is an upgraded variant of the base Su-57 under the program name Megapolis, and incorporates improved mission systems, reliability and maintenance enhancements, new flight control actuators, and the Saturn izdeliye 30 engines. Flight testing is planned to begin in 2022, and serial production is planned for the mid-2020s.
i dont think so ... war with ukraine drained russians of all their modern armorment ... they wont be building any SU57 anytime soon ... sanction killed it
This channel shows perfectly how terrifying stealth aircraft are
Awesome! Thanks for the hard work you put in to entertain us all
You've got some Russian bots crawling around your comment section here, folks. 😂
To the question posed by the title, no, cause it doesn't exist in any real quantity, and the reason they don't have any numbers of it is pretty much lack of money, and sanctions. Also, corruption.
Mainly a lack of money due to corruption. Russia has plenty of talented engineers but they can only do so much when the development funds end up in the bank accounts of thieving politicians, bureaucrats and businessmen.
@@trolleriffic sounds like a perfect description of the US too...
@@foshizzlfizzl There's corruption in every country but you need to open your eyes and see that in Russia it's far more pervasive and on a much larger and more damaging scale. The Russian people are being robbed blind by a bunch of conmen and gangsters, and it's painful to see what's happening to them and think about what Russia could have been by now.
Grump and Violet: the new A-Team. Although the Grumpnicki side of the family is slowly being wiped out by Colonel Grump the honourable fellow that he is, has refrained from gratuitous celebrations. He's going to leave that to the "Emotional" Violet Moon (auto correct wanted to call Violet "Violence Moon." Which to be fair isn't inaccurate).
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To be fair Cap, once the Felon was given a realistic radar cross section, there was only one winner and the Felon wasn't going to be it.
Grim reapers, The first serial production of SU57 which was started on 2020, the SU57 has the RCS around 0.01m2 (as the size of the human fist or a bird) it improved/reduced the RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it making it more stealthily than the prototype model. While the prototype model (T50) have exposed rivets with less RAM coating, back part of the engine nacelles, unfixed of weapons door, intake with no radar blockers and exposed spectrum of IRST it making the RCS around 0.1m2 as the same size of the F/A 18 and rafale, the article was released or shown on 2010, which is about 10 years later. Yeah, it improved the RCS, but still it is not as stealthily as the F22 and F35 which has the RCS around 0.0001m2 (as the size of the humming bird) and 0.005m2 (as the size of the bin ball). The first serial model of SU57 has improved a lot, but still it needs to improve it.
Why? I don't see the point the Su-57 has to improve it's RCS to achieve something the projects focus has never been on.
Sukhoi has never made the Su-57 to be as stealthy as the F-22 for example, so why they have to improve this field, if the doctrine is totally different to the US???
@@foshizzlfizzl First of all, SU57 does look like a stealth plane, it has stealth capabilities and new features has been added, side bay and internal bay, intake with boundary extractor layer that blocks the engine fan blade with radar blockers on it, ECM, EOTS, EW suite, data link, long range and new avionics has been added on the serial model SU57, making it much better than the prototype model (T50) which use to has the RCS around 0.1m2 and half of the avionics is not there on a prototype model. But after all, it able to reduce the RCS of the first serial model of SU57 reaching upto 0.01m2. So it is stealth, but not as stealthy as the F22 and F35.
Since we did a Chinese strike on San Diego, you should do an american strike on the Yulin naval base located in the south china sea, as a retaliation.
Got it planned already.
@@grimreapers Awesome!
well they have like five of them, so irl absolutely not. Looking forward to see how they fare in DCS
Beat me to it. 5 Su57's vs like 20 F22's and probably 60+ F35's. Litteraly no way for the Su57's to win irl.
@@92HazelMocha that's why Russia focuses more on air defense system hypersonic missile technology and submarines
@@marshalljulie3676 I mean the USSR focused more on air defense and surface to surface missiles, Russia is basically just trying to ride those old successes. To be frank, modern Russian strategy and doctrine don't accurately reflect their current circumstances, and I believe that their failures in Ukraine are indicative of that.
@@marshalljulie3676 air defence systems that are a steaming pile of wank.
@@92HazelMocha Compounded by bad planning, incompetent leaders, useless logistics, faulty and outdated equipment, lack of maintenance and spares, and behind all of those issues is endemic corruption.
I'd like to see this 0.2 cross section against modernized Gen 4 fighters. What distances can they see them and what kill ratios.
If it's a modernized 4th gen like Superbug with new AESA then it will be the same. If it's a legacy radar, 20 miles?
They have so few because
A: They have no money
B: Lies by his commanders so the money could be moved to where its best needed....their pockets.
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I love it when Cap gets excited and hyperventilates!
It's like the US knowing where the Japanese fleet will be in the Battle of Midway. You knew when and where they were coming.
Russia can't build more SU-57s for three main reasons.
1. They don't have the materials or infrastructure to actually construct 5th gen aircraft.
2. The ones they have constructed aren't capable of what they claim. The tech is vaporware, plain and simple.
3. Everyone involved in the project has siphoned off so much, from the flight line workers stealing kerosene to heat their homes to the project coordinator using funds to build a dacha that there is no money or materials left to build or support them even if they existed and worked properly.
So basically, Russia being Russia killed the SU-57...
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I can actually somewhat see this, as there are F22s and F35s in Poland
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Su-57 RCS is around 0.01 to 0.001, some things has been done to reduce it, 1st is the introduction of an S duct (with the Izdelye 30 engine) and new radar blockers inside the air intakes, also a flap that is used during take off on unpaved runways can be used as one mean to reduce RCS from the engines, 2nd production quality on the latest fighters is on par with Western ones, it might not look like it but when we take into account that Western 5th fen fighters are painted black or dark colored and that makes little harder to spot bolts and nuts (same is for Chinese 5th gen aircraft), Russia did drastically incriese the production quality of Su-57 (for those that dont believe me, there is an image that compares prototype and production version of the aircraft and the difference is drastic).
Only real thing that bumps up Su-57s RCS is IRS on the front but thats it, stealth vise it really is an true 5th generation aircraft, even tho it most likely lags behind in electronics (again we dont know anything about N036 or any other system onboard the Su-57).
My take on how stealthy the Su-57 really is.
well in syria russians claim and shown photos of a captured f22 tracked by su35. They showed on our west news. They also claim they are the best stealth but a syrian s200 shot a israel f35, israels claim the f35 hit by bird. Is all over internet news 3 years ago. But you free to believe whatever you want.
Also they are 40 su57 in service and they use them in north ukraine to fly stealthy over air defenses and bombs.
Here a video czcams.com/users/shorts86dAN3KKbbQ?feature=share
An AESA radar is much more than just longer detection range. I've recently reading alot about SABR the AESA used in front line F16Cs. Northrop Gruman actively talks up its many features in several different sources ie their advertisements of the array. For instance you can use a portion of the array to run a high speed data link. They are also almost unjammable because different parts of the array can use different frequencies at the same time. If you guys are looking to make a standard AESA radar I'd look at SABR because that's what it is.
Its my understanding that one of the big hold ups in production is the absorant coating, in particular getting a high enough quantity of spherical iron particles in the correct size. While sounding simple, its actually incredibly complicated to make the particles requiring specific equipment and expertise. Tools take months to design, and there are only a small number of people in the world with the expertise to do it properly. This also helps explain why the stealth isn't that great, as they use a lower quality particle with less consistency resulting in reduced performance.
I thought the use of iron spheres in the surface coating was a very early approach that stopped being used years ago. Didn't the Blackbirds have something like that in their paint?
I'm probably missing something. But there seems a problem here: Cap knows that they are coming And even from where they are coming. So this isn't a classic scramble situation.
And of course using the AI tactically would not be a thing as these would be real pilots (hopefully) working together.
As a pure test of hardware it works as well as you can possibly expect , thanks to all the realism effort. The big radar bummer bing a DCS problem. But as a real situtation wargame it doesn't really. Then again, IF you do it realistically with the hardware facts Cap explains, the US would likely be in and out without much happening and make a boring video. The same for the using the AI thing to even have a chance.
Then again, again: if Russia were aware, that the US actively joined the fight, they wouid probably radically rethink the position of their sam, awacs and scramblers. That might be a workable addition to the video scenario. ... thinking of it now, you could use this as a RP explanation of why Cap knows, that something is coming.
But real-world realistically, that would probably develop into a full blown war between the US/NAto and Russia. While the outcome seems (now) very obvious, there are too many stupid things certain persons could do, to contemplate such a thing.
@@flashgordon6670 he said some really mean things about the DCS AI. Had it coming.
well realistically it wouldn't happen like that because if NATO and Russia get into a direct confrontation it wouldn't matter what happened because by the time those aircraft got back to their bases they and the countries they are in (plus most of the world) wouldn't exist.
@@stephen4121 Very doubtful. There would be a lot happening in between. Nuclear deterrence has worked through a lot of incredibly serious situations for a reason.And Putin using nukes in Ukraine would royally piss of China, India and his few other half-willing allies. because they would be affected by the fallout (India not so much probably). Not to mention people in Russia. Or non-friendly neighbours like Europe.
Of course you never know what a desperate dictator with nothing to lose would do. Or if anybody would just stop him. On the other hand cowering in fear everytime that Stalin caricature throws around the N-word gets old. The world took a clear stand against the real Stalin (&co) when he did.
Edit: meanwhile China has been very clearly warned Russia against using nukes even remotely near them.
Your friend is correct, and due to the sanctions it's been pretty hard on them building their engine parts, hence they are not been able to build powerful enough engines to even supercruise. China it's even worse, they have been trying to get their hands on elite Russian engines so they can reverse engineer it, but they had done this one too many times, and the Russian had made it so if you take it apart you effectively destroy the engine and there is no way to put it back together. Hip Hip Hurrah for Russia. Everything that China has is nothing but a copy of American or Russian Technology that they reverse engineered. Nothing is original (A product of the communist regime that stifles thinking and creativity). The Russians are the opposite, they just need the backing & finances.
Reverse engineering is standard practice and everyone does it (though not on the same scale). Any country that gets its hands on military technology from somewhere else will want to examine and test it in detail to find out what it does, how it works, how well it functions, and whether there are any technologies or concepts that they should use. It would be crazy not to do it.
Only the Brits, Americans and French can build decent jet engines - Chinese engines are even worse than Russian ones which are smoky (over fuelling the only way of keeping temps reasonable) and tend to grenade if you're too liberal with the afterburner.
I believe in second chances, and apparently, so did that AIM-120.
hmmm. yes....
Hi Cap, I want to petition a “war games” scenario for you. Here it is:
4 Chinese fighter aircraft threaten to shoot down a Korean Air flight, over the Bering Sea Straight, containing a former MSS agent defecting to the U.S. if it doesn’t turn back around and land. In response to the crisis, 2 USAF fighters are scrambled to intercept the Chinese fighters and neutralize (or deter) them before they shoot down the civilian airliner.
I would like to see you and one of your friends pilot the American fighters to intercept the Chinese fighters. I think the match up should be between the F-22 AND the J-20, J-16, or Su-35 but I’ll let you make the final decision.
Thank you and have a nice day
Another factor in why the Su-57 hasn't been made in larger numbers....Russia's economy is about the size of Italy's or Spain's. Another point about the Felons that HAVE been built: they're mostly one-off builds with different engines, radars, avionics, etc. This comes from such a long development period.
can all 4 working su-57s fight off the US 5th gen fighters.... im skeptical
"Working" Su-57s... if they're working as well as the defensive systems on Moskva then they're in trouble.
They probably "work" in the same way the Tornado F2 "worked". Blue Circle radar FTW.
@@Rover200Power The Blue Circle radar is a very impressive bit of kit. It's uncomplicated, requires very little maintenance, has very low electrical power requirements compared to other radars of its time, and on top of that it's simple enough that you could build one yourself even if you're not trained in electronic engineering! Can't say that about any of these fancy modern AESA radars can you?
Short answer: The Su-57 has been plagued by design and technical problems. In addition, the slow Russian economy has had an effect on defense priorities. The backdrop: The SU-57 is the Russian's first attempt at stealth, it's their first real composite fighter, it's the first attempt at a production AESA-radar, the first real sensor fusion fighter, and they are developing a new "5th gen" engine which wont be fielded in a few years to come. So the bar is set high and learning curve is steep.
For comparison, the US has designed stealth aircraft for 40 years (almost 60 years if we count the A-12/SR-71 - the first modern stealth and composite aircraft). AESA radars have been in service since 2000 and produced in the thousands for a variety of fighters. And the F-22 with stealth, AESA, fusion, composites and 5th gen engines - operational since 2005. Actually, the first modern composite fighter was the AV-8B Harrier II, in production since 1981. Then followed by the Swede's JAS 39 Gripen.
To put things into perspective: Ca. 2030 the US will have produced around 5000 AESA-radars, and is already moving towards the much more advanced GaN based technology. Whereas the Russians might have 100 or so AESAs, still with the older GaAs technology. At least according to current plans.
Then, of course, the Russians will have to develop 5th gen tactics, which will take many years. And, It is interesting that a small country such as Norway is already fielding substantially more F-35's or 5th gen fighters than Russia, and that wont change for some years. It is really the first time in modern history that Norway has a superior operational fighter compared to the Russians.
Even non-stealth aircraft like the Super Hornet (and the Typhoon and Rafale) incorporate stealth features so the scale of the design and manufacturing experience in the West and the US in particular is enormous.
Great info thanks!
Respectfully the military industrial complex and government grants to corporations via government institutions like DARPA is why we have a bunch of very advanced military equipment that is so f****** cool but absolutely without need. Don't get me wrong I love this hardware I think it's so cool but corporations aren't reinvesting in their technology and then selling it to a marketplace. They're selling it to the government which means you and I are paying for it through taxes. Don't get me wrong I love this stuff I just wish everyone had good teeth
If two SU-57s lose to an F-14A I don’t think it has a chance…
When did that happen?
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Not a lot of combat aircraft fans watching the best combat aircraft film released arguably ever. 😂
That was within visual range though.
Grump: Hm..Seems we've got a missile.
Cap: THEFUCKINGAMERICANSAREHE
One of the aims of reestablishing Russia's sphere of influence is that they'd have governments that would buy their military products. This is a major funding means for R&D. But Russia has struggled attracting buyers for its latest 5th gen. products. Therefore, they can't produce them because their economy won't support it (and sanctions against some of their imported parts, especially electronics). Also, the SU-57 is marginally stealthy because RAM is responsible for 70-80% of radar absorption in the superior US 5th gen. aircraft (and also a high degree of their HUGE maintenance cost). It's obvious by the exposed rivets and seams of the Felon that the Russians aren't even trying to be that careful.
It is my understanding that the Felon is only stealthy from head on, from behind those huge nossles are in no way stealth, from the side it's like any 4th gen fighter.
Thanks for the video Cap. I'm replying in response to your J20 comment and their stealth. I read an article recently that had a USAF general state the J20 "isn't keeping them up at night." He basically downplayed the jet's capabilities, the USAF apparently doesn't think the stealth on it is that great, etc. They did say they need to keep up the rate of innovation and continue their work on modernization or China and their rapid military development will catch up rather quickly. Just thought I'd throw it out there. Personally, I believe the J20 is likely the best "hostile" fighter NATO jets could face, but it was designed (as you've stated) to try and perform somewhat sneaky strike missions. I believe it's likely designed to try and take out masses of 4th generation fighters and AWACS/tankers/transports, but wouldn't be a huge threat to F-22s and F-35s in direct matchups.
The doctrine around the J-20 is more threatening than the J-20 itself.
Imagine facing a horde of J-11s with a couple of J-20s hiding amongst them.
Roger J agreed.
If one were to believe the internet the J20 is less stealthy than the su57
Does anyone else seeing something funky with Caps math on the SU-57? I’m on some strong pain killers, so it could be me….
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The whole "F-22 has a smaller cross-section" comes from old information, notably a 2006 report. It's more likely thanks to newer sources and even statements from air force officials that the F-35 has a smaller cross seciton.
The Su-57 has rivets! Yes, RIVETS that is not Gen 5 you guys have made improvements to a cool looking plane that we all appreciate the work and the time.
@@heatblast876go look at the promo video from Russia you can see them. Glad you went with the non-intelligent say something's fake and move on because it's easy and you don't have to put any thought into something. I don't understand why you're on this channel but I guess even good channels have bad followers.
@@jonlamontagne The comment you're have made is totally illiterate and unlogical to read, First of all which SU57 you're are taking about. Second why are comparing an outdated aircraft Because you're mostly comparing an prototype model which is actually an test aircraft. Third I saw that video and even that it is outdated too which is mostly showing an prototype model. See the first serial model of SU57. The first serial production model of SU57 has the RCS around 0.01m2 it has improved/reduced the RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it making it more stealthly than the prototype model. While the prototype model which has exposed rivets with less RAM coating, back part of the engine nacelles, unfixed of weapons door, intake with no radar blockers and exposed spectrum of IRST making it the RCS around 0.1m2 as the same size as the F/A 18 and rafale. So there is a lot of different of prototype model to serial production model of SU57.
@@heatblast876 called it knew you were going to weasel out of it like you were going to. Stop talking now You're a waste of time
@@jonlamontagne I am not wasting my time you are written silly words saying that this aircraft is not a 5 gen, are you an idiot or a psychopath person. You know what is 5 gen aircraft, right. For example F22 and F35 that's it what about J20 and SU57 are they not an 5 gen. Too.!!!
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Notching doesn't work and can't possibly work against 80's digital radar tech (F-15 MSIP II), not to even mention PESA or AESA radars.
Yes, the first PD radars were vulnerable to beaming targets getting lost in the MLC notch filters. However, the amount of time that Look-Down radars were vulnerable to notching was less than a quarter of the time they have existed for (before being totally replaced by AESA radars which, to be clear, *can* use PD-like signals, but also have a *lot* more tools in their toolbox to deal with non-optimal issues).
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Similarly, the 'Shoot Down' capability of the AMRAAM, *especially* since the Bravo model, means that it simply can not be "notched". It makes no sense for it to even be "notchable" at all.
The *millions* of lines of code that makes up just the radar detection and processing is there for a reason. It's not programmed to follow a good track, just idlely watching as the target goes into the beam and the doppler shift drifts into some magical analog notch filter, then give up, break the lock and rely on a simple Kalmal filter to fly to roughly the last place the target was seen to then try to pick it back up, all just so it can get lost in the 'clutter' of a calm ocean surface!
The Su-57 has extremely high RCS in all angles apart from head on, head on the RCS is 0.1 but from any other angle it jumps to 1.0
Excellent work, as always. No critiques worth noting. Love the work.
+GrimReapersAtomic *The Federal Russian Aerospace Forces are inclined to rely on infrared search-and-track if they're confronted with low-radar-observable attackers.* All medium-range AAMs, e.g. the Raytheon AIM-120, Vympel R-77MR, and MBNA Meteor, are short-range AAMs against all of the Lockheed Martin (USA) F-22 and F-35 Series. The Federal Russian Aerospace Forces' best chance for a BVR kill would be an antiradiation missile tuned for the AN/APG-82.
Does DCS model the impact of the su57's irst on the plane's rcs when its aperature is engaged and facing forward?
All that's modelled is the value I give it, in this case 0.2m2
There's a new triple bypass jet engine that I think they said by 2028 all f-35s will start production with it and older f-35s will be backfitted with the new engine. It's been ongoing for like almost 10 years probably longer but all jet engines have and I'm no scientist, but until this point we've only had up to double bypass jet engines, which the bypassing and the engines have something to do with cooling hot air from another section of the turbine to then inject it back in for thrust as it compresses or something like that but the more bypasses the faster or the more thrust anyway, new triple bypass engine the same size as the f135 engine the f-35s have now, but 30% more thrust, 25% greater fuel efficiency and the f-35 will be able to super Cruise easy...
This is also if not THE engine, it'll be the basis for NGAD and other sixth Gen us fighter programs...
It's the General Electric XA100 Adaptive Cycle Engine - it can change the amount of bypass it uses to alternate between a low-bypass high thrust mode that behaves more like a turbojet, and a high-bypass fuel efficient mode that leans more towards the way a civilian jet engine works. On top of that, it uses three air streams (one core, two bypass) rather than the two found in current turbofans and this third stream can be used as cooling air for onboard systems with double the capacity of the current setup. Assuming GE's figures are accurate it'll be a big upgrade, especially in combat range and acceleration which has obvious advantages during takeoff and air combat.
Easy answer to your first question: They cant afford to build them nor can they build them without imports from countries that will no longer export to them... including Ukraine. Hence most of the airforce is USSSR era using hand held smartphones to figure out where they are in the sky.
Given the relative capabilities 2 raptor for 6 felon would actually be a good bargain IF Russian had 200 more felons.....
Have you seen some of the Su-57s “in service”? They look like they’re using drywall screws to hold the panels on. They’re hilariously cobbled together garbage. They effectively have no 5th generation fighters.
Yes they are rubbish and it's easy to laugh at the Russians but the US have tech problems of their own - F-22 is not deployable as a solo front line fighter either. The systems on board are simply obsolete - a truly brilliant plane - the best - but was very unlucky with timing - it went into production as there was a giant leap in computing power which it missed. The 1970s style systems are practically impossible to upgrade due to how they are spaghetti coded and interwoven. Delays to Typhoon saved the project - they scrapped the 1970s style systems and started again - all modular and easily upgradable. The problem F-22 is facing is exactly why the British scraped Nimrod MRA4. The wing alignment issue was a convenient get-out. By the time you could change any sensor on the aircraft and code it into all the ancient systems and test it - it was already out of date. Bolting the latest off the shelf pods onto standard commercial aircraft gave you much, much better results for a tenth of the cost. It's practically impossible to upgrade anything on F-22 for similar reasons. The fix is going to be to largely abandon stealth (which is obsolete now anyway) isolate the flight control systems and sunset them - then fit two huge pods on the wing pylons containing complete new avionics and sensor suites communicating with a glass cockpit and HUD wirelessly. This is the only feasible way to upgrade F-22 without spending hundreds of billions - it will make it a worse fighter plane in every aspect (weight, range, flight dynamics and stealth) but it will be a "better" fighter! How? You see, it's no longer about the plane - it's the systems that matter. The sophistication of the weapons and how easy it is to upgrade all of the above - which is why Typhoon accidentally became the best front-line fighter in the world. Unencumbered by stealth integration and fitted with completely modular interfaces and processing units - it's a very flexible and easily maintained platform. As are the other Eurojets. F-35 suffers some of the problems of F-22 - but not to the same degree - however over integration means keeping the sensor suites up-to-date is difficult. Bolting the latest pod into a gen 4 fighter and lashing up an interface to it is easy.
with where stealth is going i wouldnt be surprised if thrust vectoring and dogfighting becomes the real world meta again in the next 30 years when you can only get radar lock within dog fighting distances
Would be interesting to move this fight inside of the Russian S-400 coverage area. Stealth fighters would have to dodge around radar circles and deal with Su-57 interceptors at the same time.
Supposedly the minimal RCS of the SU 57 is the same as a clean super hornet which is between 1 and .1 m^2, but that is without RAM coating which based on some public military experiments can reduce a jets RCS by up to 80% so .2-.02m^2 an average the SU 57 RCS would be about .05 which I think is what Russia claims.
The first serial production model which was started on 2020, the first serial model SU57 has the RCS around 0.01m2 (as the size of the human fist or a bird) it improved/reduced the RCS by applying 30% RAM coating on it making it more stealthily than the prototype model, while the prototype model (T50) have exposed rivets with less RAM coating, back part of the engine nacelles, unfixed of weapons door, intake with no radar blockers and exposed spectrum of IRST making it the RCS around 0.1m2 as the same size of the F/A 18 and rafale, the article was shown on 2010 which is 10 years later. Yeah it improves the RCS, but still it is not as stealthily as the F22 and F35 which has the RCS around 0.0001m2 (as the size of the humming bird) and 0.005m2 (as the size of the bin ball). The first serial model of SU57 has improved a lot, but still it needs to improve it.
@@heatblast876 interesting thanks for the insight
@@Darkfuturist Actually this was a new update specifications of SU57. Even that thank for your reply.
The published su-57 rcs is AVERAGE and f22 published rcs is MINIMUM
@@heatblast876 Well su57m prototype has fixed rivets problem and gotten new engines so I think its not a huge difference anymore the F35 has IRST too
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My understanding is that the rcs range on the SU57 is based the planes relative location vs your own. Front aspect is 0.1 rear aspect is 1.0. Side aspect is in between.
your understanding is incorrect, the patent doesn't list a *Minimum* only the design goal was loosely an *average* between 0.1m2 and 1m2. the *Minimum* is much less than 0.1m2 in order to average 0.1m2 , the US jets have only ever claimed their absolute Minimum, rather than their average, which is obviously much higher than their minimum.
@@martinpalmer6203 "The Su-57's design emphasizes frontal stealth, with RCS-reducing features most apparent in the forward hemisphere; the shaping of the aft fuselage is less optimized." Just gonna leave this here for yah.
@@martinpalmer6203 And the publicly stated RCS figures for US jets are a lot higher than the reality.
The F-22 and F-35 radars are specifically advertised as LPI - Low Probability Intercept. They can probably run their radars without issue until fairly close in.
Its also quite obvious that the US stealth aircraft should avoid the merge. That's where the losses always occur. Russian missiles have always had excellent kinematic performance. Best not to let them come after you at all. Side note: Strike Eagles in the early 90's with the brand new AMRAAMS. Line abreast, 50,000' picking off F-18's running low level in Alaska (simulated missiles, of course). The F-22's should probably not be down low, or close. F-35 wasn't the star here, but also its DAS can be used to target. It's evidently pretty awesome. And there is no stealth penalty.
True 30 years ago when the technology was developed. Not now - modern systems will hotspot "random" frequency hopping RADAR emissions and tie them together to form a track. Things have moved on.
Cap, found your channels and have become addicted. Thank you for getting me away from news
Is there any chance of you recreating in DCS the Red Storm Rising battles? Any or all of them. TIA
Will do at some point.
Another epic Grim Reaper battle, thank you for all the amazing content!
On a side note, I can't wait to see what you guys do with the new Carrier Command 2 update that dropped today.
Hi Cap, if you are interested in further exploring your question about the low level of SU-57 production I would check out Perun's video "Russian Arms Exports - Will the Ukraine invasion tank their market share?". The video is quite long but extremely informative about the current state of the Russian defense industry.
1. Russia doesn't have a "communist" economic model. its a mixed capitalist model much like the US
2. The sanctions are specifically targeted at the building blocks of military aviation such as microchips, semiconductors, and precision machined equipment (such as turbo fan blades)...I mean the EU banned "All goods and technology related to aircraft manufacturing" and the US followed.
What was the side effect?
Russia had to replace those imports and create new industrial possibilities and capabilities. That means that those sanctions will lead to a stronger Russian industry and economy than it ws before, because it was as the most countries dependent of technology imports.
I think the west doesn't realize what a big mistake that was strategically 😂
Due to budget cuts and failing economy in Russia. There are about 14-16 planes, but out of those there are only 4-6 that can actually fly
Absolutely brilliant sim cap appreciate all the work. I think if it was all humans no ai the odds are good that raptors would clean em out no losses
Agree, if they flew conservatively. Easy to get carried away and get too close.
"Gerasimov, what do you think?"
"I could take on US Air Force if I had about 200 of these. Problem is, I only got about... 6. Plus, you know, 5 of my own, and... couple of MiG-35s... Su-25. Hey, too bad we don't have any more Su-27s, eh Shoigu?"
Watch out what you are wishing for 😏
little tiny nitpick with the research, I would like to point out that two separate USAF generals have publicly confirmed the F-35A has a lower radar and IR signature than the F-22.
Even though DCS cannot model the dynamic nature of RCS in regards to angle and frequency, its just good to know,
Could provide the source but YT really does not like those links it seems.
Had chemo too. Weakened immune system. Love your vids!
It was mentioned that thrust vectoring is going out of favor with modern jets....the original reason it was called for in the F-22 was to shorten the takeoff run. With over 1:1 thrust to weight if you can point the nose the aircraft is going to push itself off of the ground. Vector up pushes down the tail...which levers the nose upward then the nozzles vector quickly down and push the aircraft into the air. I've never seen a video of an F-22 actually doing this...but witnessed in person the early test runs at P&W where this scenario was run over and over and it was in the original ATF specifications.
The Air Force probably realised that post-Cold War it was unlikely that F-22s would ever operate from smaller airfields and doing manoeuvres like that during training would put too much stress on the airframes and needlessly shorten operating lifespan.
Cap love the videos lately. Would you consider making a video on how to add missiles to a plane (like a harm to the mig 29). Also could you make a video on how to configure missiles to how they preform. It would be so cool if you made a pack with all those missiles but I know how that’s a little bit of stealing of the creator. Thx Cap Great videos
I saw a vid online claiming Ukraine was already firing HARM against S400. Don’t know if it’s true tho.
Yeh it's on the TO DO list.
@@grimreapers thank you for the great and enjoyable vids!
And Cap, how you decided to go low to survive and force them into closer range combat, is exactly how our AH-1W cobra pilots trained, for air to air, in the rare, almost non existent event we’d have to slap real AIM-9’s on them. And in training, they’d beat harriers, and F-18’s at least some of the time. The best gen 4 fighter based radar has a really hard time finding a skinny helicopter that’s low, can’t pick it out enough to easily track, until they are close enough the helo pilot has visuals on them, and to lock on, they’d be in AIM-9 range. Plus you know they got a nice 20mm still, than can move. And they have very effective countermeasures on them, that was part of my job on them. Now sure they’d knock down some or even all out birds occasionally, but at the cost of half to all of their fighters…even against F-15’s. So those are horrible losses for the fighters, all to knock down some attack helos that the airframes first flew and fought in Vietnam, haha. Plus our pilots could find them with the Flir of the targeting systems, also a benefit they could swivel, or you know, just spin the helo. The fighters caught on, if they were doing a multi role mission and had targeting pods on, made it easier to find us, looking down.
16:54 AESA radars *are* detectable by RWR/ELINT, any radar emitter is. What you're describing is Low Probability of Intercept, LPI, which is a technology that sits on top of AESA and exploits frequency agile radar transceivers and sophisticated software to basically "spread spectrum" the radar emissions so that the integrated signal in any one frequency band is below the detection ability of the target. The F-22 and F-35 are known to have this technology, but it's not known if anyone else does. Also, as the name describes, it lowers the probability of detection, but it doesn't negate it entirely.
Tranche 3 onwards Typhoon hotspots all RADAR emissions - So even if it's an LPI RADAR frequency-hopping the Typhoon will work out it's a single source and track it. I believe recent Gripen has similar capabilities.