A 'The Acolyte' Writer Had Never Seen Any Star Wars Media + More Information on the Series
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Well, now we know the algorithm's gonna be filled with almost nothing but culture war videos over the writer not watching any Star Wars before...
Yep. We live in the stupid timeline.
Oh yeah, I'm not surprised. I'm also worried for those people harassing people like her and Abigail Thorn who is acting in the show for being "woke" or something
@@lssjgaming1599 Can't wait until the 2030s, when the New Star Wars content gets shit on by the fans of the Sequels/2010s-era SW content generally, because the cycle never ends.
Yeah, a shame because it seemed very reasonable to me. It is smart to get other perspectives on it.
Let's be real that would've happened regardless.
One of the writers in the room hadn’t seen Star Wars, the rest had. And during production she watched Star Wars for the first time.
Too many people just stop at the “hadn’t seen Star Wars” 😔 And according to the quote he put up, she also became a valuable person to bounce things off of in terms of newer to the story. It’s great!
This reminds me of the Halo show, except it sounds like there's actual people from all backgrounds, that project seemed like nobody wanted to be reminded about Halo lol
No, most the writers know nothing about Star Wars, even the showrunner hasn't seen most the films which is why she doesn't like any particular one more than the other or have any favorite scenes. The idiot doesnt know any.
So after the head writer wrote this B.S. she watched Star Wars when they are already filming. That doesn't fix anything.
So she went in completely fresh and brought that mindset to the new show, that's actually kinda cool.
@@rogueguardian If it was a project that didn't have established lore.
You bring a writter who has no idea what the lore is of a franchise it's a great way to destroy said franchise.
For fk sakes, one of the writers thinks Chewbacca is a Dog and that's all they know about it.
Those aren't the type of people you want on this type of project.
This show will loose $100s of millions.
Gilroy wasn’t a SW fan, but Andor was one of the best things to ever come out of the franchise. I think it’s good to have an outside perspective. Having fans control the writing process can lead to a lot of the issues we’ve seen with other shows, such as regurgitating the same characters and story beats.
Other examples include the directors of both Superman and Star Trek 2 not having been fans of either franchise before taking on their respective jobs, and knocking it out of the park. We want storytellers, not obsessive weirdos smacking their action figures together to the tune of their favorite fanfics.
@@swishfish8858fucking preach. The writers don’t NEED to obsessively know SW, what do you think Dave Filoni is for? Just get peeps who understand how to build a complete and engaging narrative and the continuity-cops at lucasfilm will help them fit in “canon”
I disagree there’s actually many starwars fans that outshine these live action shows the fans are what made starwars popular and George Lucas of course Andor isn’t that great it’s hardly even starwars it’s just Star Trek at best not a fan
There's a difference between not knowing and not researching, Star Wars is a cinema juggernaut, don't you find it weird the writer wouldn't have ever seen it?
@@chasethechosenone8478the fans are def not what makes Star Wars great. If anything they seem to make it worse.
Well Tony Gilroy isn't a Star Wars fan, but we still got Rogue One and Andor. Make of that what you want.
Rogue One isn't the best example though. At least five people were doing rewrites on that script and Gilroy's been upfront that it was a mess before he was brought in the second time. Plus there were a handful of reshoots and you can tell in the first two acts. Act III is still a blast but I get the sense Andor was a more refinded version of what he wrote for Rogue One.
Yeah, he didn't really have much to do with Rogue One, he oversaw some reshoots and loves to grandstand about 'I don't even like Star Wars and I'm solely responsible for the very best one', but he was still under the direction of Gareth Edwards for that and didn't do anything important to make it 'better', let alone 'save' the movie like he always pretends. Tony is way more egotistical than talented.
@@benwasserman8223 It's not like she's writing the show on her own as well. We also have Dave as creative Officer, so he'll likely will overlook the show to see it stays consistent.
Also, while the writer may not have seen any, the showrunner is a lifelong fan.
@@chrisallen9638 I read an interview of her inspirations, which are certain episodes of TCW, some involving the nightsisters,because the show will involve witches, though not nightsisters and I’m sure the acolyte was part of this coven, though I have no factual confirmation on that, only based on leaks. She also read on the High Republic since it’s set during that period and one of the writers serves as a consultant. She watched the PT cause she spoke of how Coruscant will look different and how the Jedi Temple will look different.
I just wanna see something that doesn’t feel like non stop fan service. I just want a fun, new story, with fun, new ideas.
I would argue Andor is very light on fan-service, but also very light on conventional "fun"
@@lukelele7063 I’d say so too, maybe fun was the wrong choice of word 😂 but if more shows took a Andor’s approach to fan service, I’d have been a lot more pleased with the more recent crop of Star Wars shows
@ohmethiasknight5009 I think by having this show set in an era so unfamiliar to the average fan, they won't be able to rely on fan service as much and thats an exciting challenge. I can't wait to see what we get
The recent shows lack any fun.
@@lukelele7063 that’s what gives me hope, they’ll be forced to create something new that could hopefully stand on it’s own
George Lucas never watched Star Wars before making the movie #CancelGeorge
You'd think the guy making a sequel to Rogue One would at least watch it.
Nicholas Meyer, the director of Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, had never seen any Star Trek before taking on the job. He ended up making what's regarded as the best film in the series.
The scandal 😡😅
@@swishfish8858 that’s because he’s not a brutal white lesbian with cop face. He wanted to create something for the fans, she’s creating something for herself.
@@monkeyman9856what does her appearance have to do with anything, grow up
It's a good idea that some of your writers aren't bogged down by canon. They can come up with ideas and either be shot down, or someone with a familiarity can go "Actually yeah, why couldn't we do this?"
Fresh perspectives.
So we don't get a rise of skywaler that was made please the fan and it made no one happy
I perfer someone who know very little than a fan who misunderstand or fail to learn about the theme it that some people out their dont see how starship trooper is a satire or thought unfortunate son and born in the usa are pro American when their was about Vietnam
Lol, it's so funny how people act like 'canon' isn't what makes a story a story. If you want to do something different then don't call it Star Wars. It's stupid to pretend like it's a real universe with 'all these stories to tell' when it's all fiction. Hugely ironic to say 'not bogged down by canon' when fundamentally calling it Star Wars means you're either going with canon or not writing Star Wars. Time to stop acting it's real, and stop acting like it's 'artistic freedom' to cram some random story under the Star Wars banner like it means anything.
@@jamescarter3196☝🏻
@jamescarter3196 to a degree, canon is important, yes. But it’s not so important that every writer needs to have incredibly intimate knowledge of every detail of the history of the universe. That’s part of what the story group and Filoni are there for. But with writers and people that aren’t as familiar, or as reverent, they can bring new ideas. Andor was fabulous despite Tony having as much reverence, possibly even as a result partly from that lack.
People are freaking out about the writer…but she did go back and watch the movies. The writers room knows the content. The one person did her research, and apparently became a valuable resource because then they have a “new viewer” perspective in the room to bounce ideas off of to make sure they land.
Canon is, ultimately, malleable in a lot of ways. It’s not set in stone. Retcons change things. New stories could shed different light. It’s not like their gonna, say just as a purely hypothetical example, kill Yoda in this if he were to appear, but perhaps his appearance helps bridge a gap, or shed light on a different point of his story between The High Republic books and the prequels.
That’s what made watching “Star Wars” 1977 in the theater so great… it was ALL fresh and new !
Alec Guiness in an interview in 1977 "Hopefully they don't read too much into this." Well, Sir Alec. They did. We all did.
No wait! It copied Kurosawa, Dune and Flash Gordon :%
Here before the culture war misinformation comments
I got here just in time to hear boba fett cry.
Im actually excited to see fresh perspectives on star wars. Im so tired of star wars rehashing old ideas old concepts and seeing the same couple of characters in the lore.
Agreed. That's why, personally at least, Mando S1 was so awesome versus S2 onward. New characters, new ideas, even a new tone, all good stuff!
Read Legends
For one Anakin is starwars having been conceived by the force itself without Vader without Anakin it’s not starwars without Jedi and Sith there is no starwars without the force there is no starwars
Look The Acolyte is set in an era that hasn't been done in live-action before. It features 99% original characters (Vernestra is here, and maybe Yoda will get a Jedi council scene, idk). It's not using the Volume, its action is apparently influenced by the Darth Maul fight, and it's based on books with a unique take on the Jedi and Force. In other words, this is what fans claim they wanted in a new Star Wars show - they really can't be mad at The Acolyte for doing something new.
Hey an actual nuanced take. W as usual, HelloGreedo!
Lucas never saw Star Wars before writing them either. excited for this
Ha!!!👍
A fresh perspective breeds creativity. And given when this story takes place, plus with the amount of SW content lately feeling too safe, I can welcome something that takes a chance on a different approach.
I'm just glad we are getting a show NOT in the Skywalker era
You know nothing about starwars
I’m with you on this. Trailer didn’t impress me but the way it’s being described has me curious.
Tony Gilroy wasn’t that much of a Star Wars fan and he managed to make something great. Nolan wasn’t that familiar with Batman and people love his movies. On the other side, J. J. Abrams love’s Stars Wars and made the Rise of Skywalker. Being a fan doesn’t guarantee something good. Non fans can make something good.
It all comes down to whether or not the person knows their job and cares about what they're making. Abrams obviously did it for a paycheck and a platinum pip on his resumé. Nicholas Meyer did Star Trek 2 because he saw something in these characters and the setting, and turned it into something more than it already was.
@@swishfish8858That’s a whole lot of presumption of motive based solely on speculation. But, you do you, boo.
I think this is exactly what Star Wars needs, especially viewed in the light of an era we haven't seen in this medium before. I especially appreciate that comment of "why wouldn't this character say this?" I think what has happened lately with Star Wars is the writing feels too on rails; nobody asks obvious questions or reacts to things in a believable way. It's another reason Andor is so good; things have consequences, death actually means something for once in Star Wars.
If you'd read any of the Legends books, you would know that death once meant something in SW before it was sold to Disney. There were three major character deaths in the Del Rey era, and there was no World Between Worlds to bring characters back from.
@@davidb9639With all due respect, I meant in the mainline movies. People, aliens, etc. all die left and right and no one bats an eye at it. For those not well versed in the EU lore who've just watched the movies, the deaths of nameless random soldiers and civilians don't seem to matter much in the context of the movies on their own. (Generalization, but broad strokes get the fence painted faster).
It’s the last thing we need. They’re milking Star Wars for money with more unnecessary crap being released, when all roads lead to “somehow Palpatine returned.” Until they address that travesty, Star Wars should be boycotted.
Good! I love this. It adds a different perspective to the writer’s room and makes sure the emotional beats are actually hitting for the right reasons.
Reactionaries are going to have a field day
They could simply make good stories.
@robbhays8077 you could simply make up your own opinion when it comes out and not be a drone that needs to be told what to think
They already have! Isn't this a great social landscape we've created, where we reward the same kinds of people we used to rightfully condemn? Good times, goooood times!
@@PopxTartxThiefAgreed. The latest movies and series have sucked so hard. But that's my opinion after having seen all of them. And people can enjoy them if they want or can. But to me personallybonly like 3 things have been actually stellar and the rest has had varying degrees of quality from okay to really had. I invite people to watch them in any way possible to make up their own opinion on each piece of starwars media. And I think it's okay if peoole like some or dislike some some
One on hand you have Tony Gilroy and on the other you have Deborah Chow, it can go either way with writers. Chow worked on some great episodes of Better Call Saul yet I don't feel her Kenobi show did much of anything for Star Wars, so we'll have to wait and see if this approach keeps on paying off.
Chow also made a great episode of Mr. Robot
@@Rad0115if by "killed it" you mean "it's dead", then yes I agree.
Kenobi was crap, but Chow also did some excellent Mando episodes
Ugh its like they forgot Tony Gilrow wasnt also this is old OLD news too , the guy went on to watch all the movies after this statement 2 years ago and there are multiple writers
Sometimes a fresh perspective is good. Id rather have someone who wants to take a story in an interesting perspective than someone who at a very base level "wants to make the the fans happy" (looking at you cowboy man)
Long live Tony Gilroy
I like Cowboy Man. Cowboy Man seems like a real nice guy. That being said, I never want to watch another Cowboy Man show.
when has it ever been good in the case of star wars
@@nano31742 I mean if you wanna be technical, I think this is the first literal time where someone who is working on the star wars project hasn't seen anything beyond the OG trilogy.
But my point is that Star Wars is stuck in a rut where I just feel like it's being made by people who just wanna watch toys smash together and less on the actual stories.
Someone with less of a "erm actually this piece of lore says you can't do that" attachment to the series is an overall good thing.
I'd rather stwr wars not bat 100, and be interesting to discuss instead of the safest, soy facing stuff imaginable.
I was reading the full quote and it makes sense. Seems like there any to create a series that can be enjoyed by new and old fans alike and doesn’t require a whole lot of knowledge
I agree with you 100% Tony Gilroy was not a Star Wars fan per say but he was still able to write an incredible show that can actually be watched by anyone. You don't need to know who glup shittosaurus the third is.
Andor doesnt have force users or stuff from more familiar star wars media, i think thats part of the reason why he was able to write Andor so well. I'm not sure if the same applies to Acolyte, but i think it's a positive thing that there's at least one person who hasnt seen star wars, as long as they are not the main writer
I like you're videos man, really enjoy watching them and find you very entertaining. Much love mate, very glad I found this channel.
I mean I can see the positive behind the creator's 'never into/watch Star Wars' thing. Sometimes it can produce new, fresh ideas for the franchise.
Just look at Andor.
As a long time Star Wars fan I 100% agree
I hate the Jedi as an organization so this is interesting. In the originals I saw Jedi as like samurai. In the prequels I saw Jedi as like completely up their own ass. But the balance! Fuck the balance
The fact they weren't a fan does not bother me. I just want good stories. But the lore! Fuck the lore
I hate this timeline I'm stuck in, I feel like something went horribly wrong and now I'm stuck in this clown world. Maybe it was the Large Hadron Collider..
JJ Abrams had clearly seen… ALL… the Star Wars… that’s why TROS became a paint by numbers of everything he thought fans would want.
After Andor I am all for directors who are self confessed non Star Wars fans being in charge.
Star Wars fans unironically becoming a dogmatic religion never ceases to amaze me
No we just expect better we are passionate you wouldn’t understand that I don’t expect you too
@@chasethechosenone8478being passionate is great.... just don't you know....go crazy about it.
Remember this guy used to say last jedi was awesome… thats hellogreedo for you right here 😂
You know what they say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". I think it's an interesting take on how the Jedi aren't always righteous and "good willed", and sometimes great power can corrupt absolutely.
Which ironically is exactly what being "out of balance" means. Being corrupted by absolute power.
The guy who directed Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan didn't watched Star Trek when he got hired
And he was hired by a producer who had also never seen Star Trek before working on that movie.
For the non-Trekkies in the audience, Star Trek II is Trek's answer to Empire Strikes Back.
Not only is Leslye Headland a big fan, but *Charles Soule* is a consultant for The Acolyte. He's the author of Light of the Jedi, Vader 2017, Rise of Kylo Ren, Po Dameron 2016, and Star Wars 2020, which are some of the biggest new canon stories.
So the show's in good hands basically what you're saying?
That's GOOD
Lesley is not a fan of starwars at all doesn’t know the Characters doesn’t understand the lore she just puts her woke garbage in a fan favorite franchise which is now getting ruined because of her Kathleen Kennedy and many others the acolyte will flop and it’s ratioed for a reason it’s hot trash
And Tony Gilroy admitted to hating Star Wars (& look how Rogue One & Andor turned out) Filoni and Favreau have been playing in their toybox a lot lately. We have an ACTUAL WRITERS ROOM - and the history of these creators in terms of their work has been great.
To me, this is one of the positives I'm hanging on to cause Andor really changed my perspective on what Star Wars can be & Mando S. 3 and the last episode of Ahsoka wore me out. So I'm willing to give it a chance.
I'm excited about a seeing a fairly new corner of Star Wars that hasn't been on the screen before! Can't wait!
Irvin Kershner had only seen a new hope. and he made the greatest star wars movie of all time. so there's that.
What?
It was really a collaborative effort. As much credit needs to be given to the script by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan, as well as Paul Hirsch and Marcia Lucas for editing.
She made Russian Doll and that was fantastic. I have faith.
That was the Groundhog Day show with the party girl, right? I heard good things
That's the showrunner, and she's a lifelong fan. The writer that hasn't seen it is literally just one writer out of an entire team of writers.
Great video. And yeah her comments have elevated my excitement way more than that trailer.
The Acolite series: Jedi encounter Sith 100 years before ep 1
But…The Sith have been extinct for a millennia (1,000 years) -Ki Adi Mundi
This is what worries me, obviously in the EU the Jedi did encounter Sith after Darth Banes Rule of Two but they were killed off before they could say anything, so any Jedi who encounters a Sith in this series has to die in order for the show to make sense.
I'm very curious to see how they'll handle it. I think it could be believable since the PT also showed how the Jedi's hubris got in the way of their actual job. It could also be that we either may not be seeing a Sith and just a Dark Jedi or a non Rule of Two Sith and either way it gets swept under the rug.
Either way, I think this will help piece together why the Jedi became the way they are during The Clone Wars.
Alternatively, the Sith plot could be swept under the rug such that some of the higher-level Jedi can bury their heads in the sand once the crisis is resolved. Maybe the Sith survive, but are forced back into hiding, and the Jedi clamor "Nothing to see here! They totally weren't Sith." Then 100 years later, nobody realizes they were full of crap.
Something, something, the archives are wiped or locked away.
I don’t think my Star Wars takes and HelloGreedo’s takes could be further from eachother but I always love to hear what he has to say
Good video, thanks! I wasn't too excited about Headland being in charge of any SW project but this teaser trailer and your thoughts in addition put it in a different light.
But at 07:50 I'm pretty sure you misspoke. You surely meant to say "(because) *this is where the fun begins*!" 😄
I'm genuinely excited for it, and it's the mere fact that The writer wasn't familiar with Star wars before. (She is now obviously) It's actually going to feel different at least and that's all I freaking want.
I think this is the first time I’ve been excited for a Star Wars thing since the Kenobi trailers. I’m happy that it seems like we’re finally getting some Star Wars that isn’t over-reliant on pre-established characters and ideas. Something new is what this franchise desperately needs.
From a different space franchise: “You think that just because somebody’s the underdog, that means they’re the good guy.”
I, for one, am eager to explore the Rebel vs the Institution dynamic flipped on its head. Yam seng, beltalowda!
Wait. Hold on. Did this lady do Russian Doll?
See....this is why i love Hellogreedo!
Neither had George Lucas before he created it. Fresh eyes are almost always a good thing. JJ Abrams saw and claimed to "love" the original star wars and absolutely fucked up the sequel trilogy, so let's not pretend like someone not seeing it is automatically cause for worry.
The only shows to have that baseline jump in and go structure were the first season or two of Mandalorian and Andor. It’s no coincidence they’re the most well received.
This what you said, all of this.
Nicholas Meyer was the writer and director of 'Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan'. For many, that's the best Star Trek film to date. When he was hired, he was not exactly a fan. He said, "When I was a kid and 'Star Trek' was on TV, I had no use for it." He also directed 'The Undiscovered Country', which is also an excellent film. The notion that only knowledgeable fans of an IP are capable, or even worth it, of writing/directing films and series of that particular IP is stupid.
God the fanbase can be so insufferable a lot of the time. The main criticism I’ve seen on the trailer is that it’s “WoKe” because there’s black people and women in it😂
Where'd you see that? I assume from the Likes of Geeks and Gamers as well as some of the smaller channels?
@@happyrama2764 it’s in a lot of the comments on the acolyte trailer
But yeah I’m guessing the usual grifters will say that as well
@@omarbaba9892 Yeah I mean I kinda get what they're saying but some of them are straight up hateful, like a lot of the representation nowadays is very vain and done solely to check some boxes, disrespect previous characters or to quote on quote "fix" the property/character and tbh comes of as more disrespectful then not having them at all.
Apparently women and minorities aren't good enough to have new good characters that actually represent them.
But some people just go too far with it and ANY time they see a black person or a woman or whatever they freak out and go mental.
Bit iffy about the Acolyte myself personally mostly about what's been said about the Jedi, hope they don't make them out to be evil or "the bad guys".
@@happyrama2764 oh yeah I definitely agree that changing a characters race is beyond stupid and so is diversity hiring. Like seen this thing from United where they celebrated having an all African American flight crew, shit like that just increases racism not “fix” it
I literally saw someone on facebook be like "where's the men?" and I pointed out the very first character we hear is a man, and a part of the main cast.
They'll make shit up to be mad about.
I agree, fresh takes are awesome. 👍
Interested to see your take on the first two eps.
I liked Ahsoka, but at a certain point I really got that it was basically just for me and people like me. And I am pretty surprised that people like Honest Trailer or Pitch Meeting didn't quite pick up on it, I could joke about how nobody who has only seen the movies could understand what the fuck was going on or who the fuck these random people were for hours.
I mean several of the actors in the Mandalorian (Werner Herzog, Bill Burr) either hadnt seen star wars or werent really fans. What matters isnt whether they know every piece of knowledge and lore like we do in this comment section, its to tell a good story and this franchise could really use some new ideas
What SNES cart is that on the wall? 🧐
Super Mario World maybe? 🤔
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Yeah, having a writer with no knowledge of Star Wars would be needed to help keep it accessible as a jumping off point for new fans. It makes sense
A good Star Wars series requires a healthy balance of writers who know every detail of Star Wars lore and writers who are good at what they do but don’t even know what a lightsaber is. The audience is going to have both, and the best Star Wars stories fit within the franchise but still work on their own.
Something fresh with new concepts that doesn’t require 75 hours of movie and series watching as research to provide the background? Sign me up! And someone send a memo on it to Marvel while we’re at it.
I'm willing to give acolytes a watch.
I just had a bad feeling that it will be Yoda that will cover up the Jedi murders and the existence of the Sith. Making his failure to stop Palpatine even more tragic.
I’m nervous with any new Star Wars project a lot of mid crap now other than takes of the Jedi, but I hope we get a great sith story vs Jedi
it was a director not the writer, the writer clearly a fan.
Is it bad to say that I am just getting a little bit tired of new Star Wars content? I don't mean this because I particularly liked or disliked any of the new media, but just because we are overmilking it. When will the time come to let Star Wars rest on its laurels? The more we build on it, not only do we run the risk of messing with a good thing, but every single time the universe is revisited it comes with more and more baggage in the "lore." When Irvin Kershner directed Empire Strikes Back he wasn't particularly invested in lore or if it "felt like Star Wars" but that was fine and in fact worked to his benefit and generated what I believe is the single best piece of Star Wars media ever produced purely because the story was so new at that time. There was no baggage to be weighed down by and that creative freedom is what generates good stories.
I think Greedo is making a good point when he is saying he wants new stories, but I don't think he is getting all the way there because he still wants it in the Star Wars universe which I believe fundamentally hurts it. To this show's credit they are bringing in a director who doesn't have a preexisting knowledge of Star Wars and isn't necessarily invested in it from a fan perspective all in a setting within Star Wars that isn't particularly tied up with preexisting lore. I think that is a good thing, and it sounds like something I could possibly like considering by criticisms of where Star Wars is right now. But frankly, I still don't know if I am going to watch it simply because it is in the Star Wars universe. Don't get me wrong I love Star Wars deeply. The original trilogy will always be some of my favorite films of all time, I love Revenge of the Sith and the style of the Phantom Menace, I believe the Clone Wars (especially the final season) is some of the best Star Wars content out there, and Andor really was a great breath of fresh air. But Star Wars has gotten to a point where there being a group decrying "lore discontinuities" is a given, and maybe this show will break lore or not "feel like Star Wars" and maybe it won't. But for it to even be possibly weighed down by that and for people to already dismiss the show because of that is such a shame because I believe the best art is made when creativity is allowed to flourish, and having to follow lore hurts creativity just as much as any studio exec.
Of course this show hasn't come out, but when it does and if people lambast it for not following continuity or not feeling like Star Wars all I can think then is how differently it may have been received if it wasn't set in the Star Wars universe. What if this was a brand new sci-fi show coming out? How would the reception already be different? There are so many great and creative directors out there with new and exciting ideas that are being completely hindered when they get attached to universes like Star Wars.
Nice SBD shirt man
I like the idea of an outside writer. If the whole team hadn't seen anything Star Wars then I'd be concerned, I think Kenobi proved why it's critical to know the history and canon. But one outsider on a team just for a fresh perspective? Love it
Very excited for this Show!!!
It's kinda hard not to be pessimistic about new Star Wars, but on the Star Trek side the best of the original movies came from people who were not mega fans and looked at it with fresh eyes. So, its not impossible it could be good. There's just a lot working against it.
"If what she told us is true, she will have gained our trust"
I think this is a solid plan. The reasoning it’s a really healthy solution to a common problem with Star Wars writing. I also think being set in a fresh new era will allow for a lot more story telling opportunities that are not confined to elaborate lore
I hope this show is excellent, because if it is, all the rage bait, fateful ‘fans’ and anti-progressive mob are gonna have nothing to back themselves up with.
If it means Star Wars becomes a Niche fanbase, so be it!!
I'm late to this channel but after listening to the S**T storm from the rest of the channels these past weeks, I greatly appreciate your view and now I'm subscribed!
Harve Bennet and Nicolas Meyer never watched any Star Trek before they were asked to make Star Trek II. And then Star Trek II became that franchise's answer to Empire Strikes Back. So yeah. Not necessarily a bad thing.
People have asked me a few times in my life “ would you like to live in SW?” … I always have the same answer “fuck no”
I feel like the Halo TV show was the example of needing people who know the source material you are working in because it resulted in a very disappointing series that broke of people attachments to characters like the master chief who is an entirely different character who never takes his helmet off to a guy who never puts it on. Personally i just felt that the show would have been better being its own original media instead of being what it was and not having anything familiar. For star wars i think that could be fine considering the vast amount of content we have and are continuing to get so people unfamiliar could be a breath of fresh air with how vast the star wars universe is it has the size to compensate for it. where as the Halo it was Halos first major production outside the games and some short animated series
Oh she put some eu Lore in the show? really cool
GOOD. The last thing I want is a fan’s take on Star Wars. It’s barely a concept anymore, it seems all most fans want is to relive the originals & never develop better taste or evolve
Man the trailer got disliked to oblivion, yet barely anything is shown in it. it really does make me wonder what was a bridge too far for the community to turn its back on it so quickly.
I knooooooooow, right? It’s fucking crazy! My only real issue with the trailer is it feels as about the same as other SW shows, not a whole lot of passion put into the filmmaking like Andor or least Mando seasons 1 and 2 were. But even then, nowhere near the sheer vitriol it’s getting. Same with Outlaws too(I get not liking Ubisoft cause of their toxic practices, but JEEZ 😅).
Dang
When they reveal Darth Plagueis, will it confuse everyone that he looks like Supreme Leader Snoke?
Do Muun even live that long, I forget how old he was when Sidious ended him...
Isn't Tenebrous more likely? Or is the dark threat not even the Sith in this one but some other, possibly an EU dark side sect?
Muuns have more cylindrical heads. Smoke looked like a big bulbous brain. I don't think people will be confused.
Typo, but that's really funny so I'll leave it
Plagueis' species is no longer cannon. They can make him any species they want.@@atari947
Most of what we knew about Plagueis is now legends, so he could be anything at this point. @@hydrakn
Agree 100%
Story, Story, Story. If you peal back the things that make the Acolyte, Star Wars, there still needs to be a good story underneath.
My first star wars experience was Rebel Assault games, and then the original trilogy on VHS on my 14” Tv that I had as a kid!
Good times😊
With all this hate towards the sequels I really just wanna remind people of the universal consensus that all three of the prequels were absolutely awful lmfao. They are. All three of them are trash but we love to watch them anyways. Yes Episode 3.
I genuinely enjoy episode 3, think it's legit a good fantasy action movie. As for the first two, I can't bring myself to watch them anymore.
@alvin2021 Ep 3 just has awful dialogue and most of the characters make insanely stupid decisions, from Obi Wan to Anakin to Yoda to the Emperor to the rest of the jedi council. All of Grievous is pointless filler lol we really have no reason to give a shit about him at all, like you know he's gonna die less than an hour after he's introduced, and all he does is give a sidequest to Obi-Wan, who is characterized like an idiot for it.
And even if Queen Amidala was bland as hell, and ep 2 Senator Padme was an idiot for sleeping in an open window with a known hit on her, and for getting with Anakin a known fascist-supporting megalomaniacal murderer who gives her the creepy eyes and is just a whiny asshole in general, she at least had personal motivations and goals in those two movies. Ep 3 Padme purely exists to be pregnant, be manipulated by Palpatine, and die.
Episode III was the first Star Wars movie I ever saw in theaters and I loved it. I still love it, despite its MANY flaws. For a lot of people the sequels are their gateway into Star Wars. To take that away from them is wrong.
New and fresh is welcome. The Galaxy is a big place. Don't make it a small town where everyone knows everything.
Put someone in a sandbox whose never once seen a sandcastle and tell them to build a sandcastle. You gotta admit it's the very least intriguing to see what they may build out of all that sand.
There's a fresh perspective, and then there's lore-breaking ignorance. You can have the former without the latter
I feel like this is exactly why I’m not Dave Filoni’s biggest fan. Everything he works on tends to involve things you need to know already. Nothing he makes stands alone.
are you the only grounded star wars youtuber?
He, Star Wars Explained, and AT-AT Chat are the only SW CZcamsrs I can think of that aren’t either fucking insane or asshole opportunists.
Even when I disagree with some of his opinions, he’s always fun to listen to.
How is it possible
Are you still excited about the show? I hear episodes 3&4 are real bangers.
Its sad that star wars "Fans" cry about everything, every kittle detail. And its sad they cry that there are woman in star wars, there has been woman in star wars for a long time and powerful woman characters. It's just sad that Star Wars "Fans" get upset by a teaser trailer when we no nothing about the story. Sometimes its sad to be apart of the fanon. Im a fan who likes both canon and legends.
I thought you fell for the grift for a minute
Which grift?
@@robbhays8077the culture war grift
@@nomansblog2025 The show's going to suck for culture war reasons.
@@Aryanne_v2 No, the culture warriors are going to claim it sucks regardless.
@@chrisallen9638 And they'll be right because it's actually just going to suck. Come back here after it releases and then tell me it doesn't suck cuz I guarantee you it will
A tad bit concerning -vergere (probably)
Hmm, I don't think seeing the bad guys as underdogs is particularly interesting. The Sith are space Nazis, and I'm really not interested in any stories that delve into the early history of Nazis as sympathetic underdogs either (and if you're using the word underdog, then you're seeing them sympathetically, that's part of what an underdog is, they're someone you root for).
What WOULD be interesting would be seeing the Jedi as the institution, exploring all the flaws inherent in that, and showing some other Jedi trying to fight the system for good, and the way their failures end up backfiring and empowering the bad guys. That's kind of what Clone Wars tries to do, but in my opinion it doesn't actually do so very much or very deeply.
If you haven't, you should play the Knights of the Old Republic games.
It's not sympathetic to the Sith, but it is critical of the Jedi.
@@RayOfTruth Sounds interesting, makes me wish I was a gamer! (It's good that I'm not though, it would ruin my life. I have no self control when it comes to binging 😅)
@@erinm9445 the mentor in the second game, Kreia, who was betrayed by both the Jedi dogma and later the Sith. She decides her real enemy is The Force which forces extremism on people.
@@RayOfTruth Cool! Maybe I'll get lucky and someone will make a comic out of this story or something.
@@erinm9445 Nobody will, just watch some cutscenes or something if you’re not gonna play it.
I love all the fanboy pre-cope in these comments. Like battered housewives saying “this time will be different” lmao. Hopefully it’s good, but experience says to have no expectations.
I feel at this point anyone related to Star Wars juts needs to keep their mouth shut, because now every copy and paste youtuber is going to jump on the whole “woke” train.
Yea cause it is woke garbage not interested
Star wars to me has always been good vs evil. It erks me to think that we are going to make the sith something like an anti hero or a sympathetic person to cheer for.
The jedi order can be flawed but they have always been a force for good. I'll pass on a show that is looking to make them the bad guys or the enemy for the sake of making an edgy show that is "different"
It can be done well, Knights of the Old Republic 2 is very critical of the Jedi without being sympathetic towards the Sith.
Alternatively it could be like the Bane trilogy where they start sympathetic, but get more evil and loose sympathy as they get more corrupted by the darkside until they're irredeemable.
The thing I’m the most worried about and apprehensive of is how they’ll handle the Jedi Order. I’m tired of the “Prequel Jedi were bad” sentiment, but we keep getting dogpiled with it in every preceding entry in the franchise. This show seems to be promising an explanation for why they became “bad” but frankly I don’t really want to see that. I especially hope that this doesn’t mean they’re going to give us some grand revelation that the Jedi covered up the resurgence of the Sith or something, because that would be asinine and dumb. Like if Yoda is involved in some sort of conspiracy coverup within the Jedi Order itself then I will be completely done. That would be an utter betrayal of his character.
Agreed on the new perspectives bit though. The specific writer in question even watched the main films anyway, so it’s not like they didn’t do some due diligence. An “outsider” point of view is quite welcome to me, but I do hope that they have some more consistency within lore or try not to outright retcon something, even if it’s from a “lesser canon” like a comic book or novel. I like when they try new things, but not at the blatant expense of paving over someone else’s work within the same canon. Based on the time period they should be safe to experiment, but I know people will probably be bummed that Darth Tenebrous or Plagueis likely won’t be appearing as the masterminds. Tenebrous would be especially cool to see in canon, but I’m okay with them not including him since he’s much more of a minor character. Plagueis however is a much more concerning topic. This era would be right on the cusp of his relevance to the story. Of course, they could always just completely retcon nearly everything about him besides what we hear in Revenge of the Sith.