Savitar Timeline Explained! - The Flash Season 3
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3 years later and im still trying to figure this out😂
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that's why zoom always kills his time remnants so he doesn't have to deal with this
Your right 🤣😂
So flashpoint is the main reason for all of this. If Barry didn't run back in time to save his mom julien would of never gone to find the stone so Savitar would've never been released
What is flashpoint
Vbc Suniky not really if it wasn't Flashpoint Savitar wouldn't have escaped the Speed Force. He existed before Flashpoint. It was proven in the 100th episode when the Reverse Flash mentionned Savitar's identity.
@@jeremystaelens4061bruh
Who else is still confused on who the original Savitar is? Like someone had to be Savitar in order for Barry to create time remnants to stop someone
It's still Barry because after Iris dies, Barry creates time remmnats to stop Savitar but Savitar kills all the remmnats but one. And 3 years later Tracy Brand traps him in the speed force prison and since the last remmnat was shinned by team flash he goes down a dark path and runs back in time which created the timeline that makes him the first speedster and created the philospher stone and becomes savitar. so then he runs to the future, and kills iris gets trapped in the speed force, makes Wally a speedster, then he gets released in 2017 putting Wally in the speed force and kills Iris which turns out to be H.R. ( R.I.P ) so then Barry never creates the remmnats, the time remmnat ends up not going back time and changing history. So that leads Savitar to get erased from existence. So basically it's a never ending loop until H.R. dies.
@@emandesanta but in the first run through of the loop who is savitar. It can’t be Barry because this is the first time so there is no tr Barry to be shunned and than to back and become savitar. So who is the first savitar
@@krishtotala5988 bruh, do you fall asleep when you watch the show or something. If you listen then in s3 episode 22, Cisco says there's no beginning and no end to the loop. That's why its infinite.
@@emandesanta but how tf does it start
@@emandesanta I know the loop doesn’t have a beginning or end but how does the loop come into play
They should just erase Barry's memory again so Savitar loses his powers and have Jessy capture him and out him in their prison or the speedforce.
and then give Barry his memory back
that's what shulda happened but it's tv, nothing can be that simple.
Emazing13 explain how barry losing his memories takes away his powers. He'll learn to use them like he did last episode
#1 they showed in the show he lost his powers but learned he had them again
#2 He didn't really "learn" to use his powers, he just used them on accident and didn't know how to use them correctly
how, savitar never gave her the powers?
Screw the loop thing imo. It's just really dumb. They should throw in a line that explains that emo Barry eventually becomes savitar in like 2050 or something. THEN savitar can go back in time to kill iris.
Yes Thank you
But if he becomes Savitar without the death of Iris there's no need for him to go back in time to kill her..m
@@samrash7885 Well, he'd become Savitar more quickly if Iris dies sooner for one, and two He'd be getting rid of the only Barry that could stop him from existing.
@@illyillyill Damn you've had the same account for 3 years!
What happened to accelerated man
Do you ever notice after the villain reveal they generally go through a major personality shift?
Especially with Zoom and Savitar and Zoom, they start off being cryptic and badass but once they are revealed they become really manic and excited.
Who started the loop? One Savitar must have started this so Barry could create the time remnants and savitar saves one of them.
The only thing I can guess is that something happens to Iris which causes Barry to go dark even when Savitar killed Iris it created Emo Barry and he went dark but not dark enough to become savitar level of crazy. Confused
CDot I think the speed force created savitar and the loop to punish Barry for creating flashpoint and basically the speed force has given him the task to brake out of the loop so he knows that he should mess with time like that again
CDot You support the wrong Manchester team. How can you support city? It's just stupid.
ReqoM8 Good theory
Jack Rodgers I bleed blue 😂
barry created time remnants 4 years from now not in 2017.
Justus Mbakondja I though that future Barry said that he created the TR after iris died.
William smith He could have meant he created them after Iris died. But after re-watching that scene, he says "You will do everything that you can think of to save her, you're even going to create time remnants of yourself" So it definitely comes across as he created them before her death and obviously failed.
That's what I'm saying, pagey doesn't even pay attention lol
Justus Mbakondja exactly!!! Pagey you done goofed
Justus Mbakondja Yeah Barry did he defeated savitar in 2020 so he made the Time Remnants
Wait, shouldn't Savitar be trapped in the Speed Force twice?
Let me explain, starting with Savitar's personal timeline:
-The TR is born
-The TR is shunned
-The TR becomes Savitar and creates mythos
-The newly former Savitar is trapped in the Speed Force Prison by the Flash [A]
- Savitar escapes the prison thanks to Wally West taking his place; and then Jay Garrick
- Savitar kills Iris and sets in motion his own birth
- Savitar is defeated by the Flash using the Speed Force bazooka and trapped in the Speed force for a second time [B]
Now events A and B cannot be the same because why would Savitar escape from the Speed Force only to kill Iris which he has already done? They have to be two separate events, right? So Barry has to defeat Savitar not just once but twice?
Missing Tree Productions I think it's different timelines so savitar has one without flashpoint and then a post flashpoint timeline after being trapped
Missing Tree Productions That confused me too. Why is Barry trapping him in the speed force again since he knows that savitar will break out. why not trap the TR in the pipeline??
The "A" hasn't happened...yet. If they will trap Savitar [A], it would be for the second time and doing so, they will change the future. Let's say this differently: Barry has the power to change the future, past and present, but it's dangerous. This ability comes from speedforce. The fact that Savitar will be trapped it the speedforce [b] will happened, that's something in the future. This will happen. But Saviar can change that(IT'S HARD, BUT HE CAN), because he has access to speedforce (its like Iris's death, its a fact that will happen, if Barry will not change the future). It's complicated, I know, but look, if The future Barry (2024) traps Savitar in the speedforce, wouldn't Saviar go back in time and change the future, so he would never been trapped in the Speedforce? No, because he can't. The speedforce isn't a place in time, so he cant change it (this is like the vanishing point from Legends of Tomorrow).
The [A] hasn't happened. That's not the future, yet. If Team Flash would do that, they will change the future.
I hope you understand now. If not, let me know.
(btw, sorry for possible mistakes, I don't know too much english).
Missing Tree Productions Cisco said that 2056 Barry must have met him. Also, Savitar told Barry in episode 3x15 "I'm going to destroy this city, just like I did in the future" which would imply that in some future distant to this point in time, he caused mayhem in Central City. So, maybe that means that 2056 Barry trapped him the first time?
Missing Tree Productions Cisco said that 2056 Barry must have met him. Also, Savitar told Barry in episode 3x15 "I'm going to destroy this city, just like I did in the future" which would imply that in some future distant to this point in time (possibly 2056?), he caused mayhem in Central City. So, maybe that means that 2056 Barry trapped him the first time?
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No, what makes no sense is he's a paradox, AGAIN.
It's another example of how he created himself.
It contradicts every possible thing one could consider.
To have a Savitar, there had to be a savitar, to fight, to produce the need for time remnants, for savitar to kill, just to leave one, to become himself?
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Nigga
This has driven me crazy, there should also be a second savitar(the one that created this savitar) they locked away the one whom didnt yet kill Iris, and left the one who did free.... The writers have left some weird time travel issues
@@nicholasfaith8999 I know right?!Like this Savitar must have killed Iris before,because he got locked up in the Speed Force.Therefore he should've already done this before."You stuck me in an eternity of hell!Now welcome to yours!".Ok so let's say Savitar gets created because he himself(Savitar) killed all the time remnants and left one(which is himself duh) that remnant goes back in time and becomes Savitar,kills Iris then gets locked in the Speed Force.He then gets back once more thanks to flashpoint and (probably) the philosophers stone).He tries to kill Iris again("I will destroy this city as I did in the future").
Either there are 2 savitar (One who is the true Savitar,which is plausible,and the one who stole his name(Time remnant Barry)but kinda of unlikely,given the fact that failing to kill Iris actually causes him to actually get erased from existence) (Or a time remnant of the time remant which is Savitar)
(Because think about it,to lock him up in the first place he had the help of a certain someone,but until that time...until that tech was available Savitar had free reign over everything,his existence was assured,so what could Savitar do after being free of everything?Travel through time.
The moment Savitar(or any speedster really)enter the time stream of the speed force they are free of everything(they become a timeline remnant,like the Reverse Flash),they are protected from any timeline shifts or actions/changes.And if you think about it...the first time he kills Iris he doesn't have the philosophers stone,(since he can't be trapped with it.)
So my question is why,why does Savitar do everything according to book,when the first time when he already did it,he didn't have anything.(no means of escape)
There is an answer...Savitar crossed over from a different timeline to the one of post flashpoint.
But there is still one Savitar who is free and the one who got trapped.(There is a possibility that the younger version of Savitar *or* the fake Savitar who traveled through time at the exact same time the future/true Savitar left it after being ensured his existence.The past/fake Savitar then gets trapped before actually committing any crime(didn't have the philosophers stone),which further solidifies his grudge against all of them.)
So in story this "loop" isn't a loop.But a consequence of excessive time travel which made it look like it is/was.When all there was...was the timeline shift and the two Savitars that were protected(The time stream of the Speed Force) from it (flashpoint).
@@nicholasfaith8999 So there is a superficial thought of it.
@@nicholasfaith8999 What do you think?
Edit:I can go further in depth if you want.
Wait, What If Barry actually killed that 1 time remnant that Savitar saved?
chars_ 78 yeh , i have got the impression the writers fucked this up a bit there is so many things barry could do to stop savitar, i hope the storyline gets better in ep 22/23.
chars_ 78 theoretically everything has a origin or in geometrical terms a point of origin so the time loop must have started somewhere and slowly evolved over time as different Barry's tried different things to save iris to our timeline now and this loop will be infinitely changing unless the time remnant is killed or the original flashpoint story line is disbanded in which Savitar will have never escaped but wait he was created by this timeline so if you think about it this whole season is a time loop starting with the flashpoint decision and can never be undone because the current timeline has had plenty of time to cement and so savitar is now a fixed point in time and whatever happens from until the resolution of the season is a bigger time loop unless Barry changes the timeline again
chars_ 78 he could just not make them
chars_ 78 That doesn't make sense that time remnant is the one who will/Became Savitar
chars_ 78 another thing.. what if Barry just outright decided to never make a time remnant ever. savitar would just become a time remnant with no past. blackflash would then go after savitar too.
Good video man . Thanks for making an in depth video about the timeline
Great video Pagey
You haven't finished it yet, lol
Oh when thawn got stuck in the past he found wells and said to him “in a couple years you’re going to create a explosion that changes history but I need it to happen sooner” so I thought because he got stuck he made the explosion happen earlier to get Barry his powers as soon as possible to get his powers to go home but before that there was an original timeline where Barry is already the flash and also when thawn goes back in time to kill his mom but he got stuck that’s why I thought savitar kills iris earlier because Barry became the flash earlier than he did in the original time line
Could Savitar Barry be bluffing about being shunned?
Zack Reilly I think so because I can't see any versions of Team Flash shunning any version of Barry.
We couldn't see any version of Barry becoming Savitar,yet..that happened .So I will not be surprised..
Zack Reilly Yeah I think he lied because being shunned couldn't make you just go so mad that you'd go back and kill the woman you love there had to be something else that happened too
+Saif I'm liking your theory, that might be the case
Zack Reilly No he wasn't, remember he lost his mind in the speed force
Pagey I think that you are wrong about the timeline:
1)Barry becomes the flash (2013)
2)Barry makes a time remnant when fight with Zoom (2014?).Time remnant lives (he did not die) probably he was trapped in the speedforce)
3)time remnant escapes from speedforce (year 2056) and starts fight with Barry. (After that fight Barry created message "about not trusting him", which is uncovered in the DC's Legends of Tomorrow)
After that fight a new timeline is made or timelines are made
4)time remnant goes back in time and then all events with Savitar takes place, which we know from the show.
I agree
No both of you are idiots. Even Savitar revealed the S2 Flash time remnant is dead.
im confused, when barry lost his memory wally lost his speed, because savitar wouldnt have remembered to make him a speedster. If that was the case, surely Wally losing his speed should in effect have dragged savitar back into the speedforce, as if Savitar never gave Wally speed, then he would never have escaped the speedforce?
So do you think Barry was dropped off in the parallel timeline by reverse flash on purpose
Zachery Young hmm..
If he just promised himself not to create a time remnants then savitar will disappear.
Simple Bill & Ted rules......
To all those people asking where the loop began: Thats the funny thing about a loop, it does not have a beginning; it is a constant reiteration of Sarvitar creating himself and being created. And that's why it is a paradox...
Thank you for your explanations
how to kill savitar be nice to the remaining tr
That wouldent matter iris is already dead
yea but then that tr would never become savitar and kill iris
Here's what I think will happen, Barry will still have to resort to creating time remnants, but after Savitar kills all but one of them, Barry remembers Savitar's origin, and shows the time remnant compassion. The time remnant stays around, but obviously can't just go around as a second Barry Allen. So he changes his name to Bart, and Impulse is born!
No
No
I love you pagey your amazing
I just want to say you exp;lain it much better than others who try. love coming by to watch you awesome explanation of each show.
how was the first savitar created. I mean before the creation of the time remnants?
Wondering the same thing. II wonder if originally there was a non Barry version of Savitar and the time remnant got the Savitar idea from him? I mean after all Savitar was someone else in the comics. Then again nothing says they have to make that kind of nod.
Yeap, It's kind of a plot hole if it is not explained...
you know what would be really cool
if our barry becomes Savitar and we will see everything our barry has to do to get to the point where he has to kill iris for another barry to become Savitar
That makes sense because the only way to defeat savitar is to become him, and that starts a endless loop
Jay M no one has the time for that. it's be boring if this suddenly.took a second season to wrap up
hmmm so helpful 🔥
cnt wait for the next episode ;)
But who was the original Savitar who killed Iris the very first time? The very first time it couldn't have been Barry's TR because Barry had never before faced Savitar so the TR wouldn't have existed.
My theory is Barry due to fighting other villains in the original timeline and losing everyone, became savitart and to keep this cycle going in the other Flashpoint timeline, he left this TR alive.
I am Batman look the first one ever in the timeline was the tR from season 2, he died in the original timeline but because of flashpoint he survived and when he wasnt loved he became all evil and from there the loop started
Black Arrow. Except the season 2 TR theory doesn't work. The whole point of that TR dying was the rush of energy created from his speed destroyed him then sucked into Zooms device to stop it from destroying the multiverse. If he survived, then no more multiverse. Also, maybe try prefacing by saying that was a theory instead of making it come across as fact, since that TR died. flashpoint wouldn't change that unless we get a lame ass excuse of the speedforce interfering just make their somewhat flawed loop excuse work.
I think in the pre-Flashpoint timeline there was a Time Remnant who was created by Barry to stop a powerful villain, but afterwards the team shunned him for not being the true Barry, so he then went back in time to create the Savitar myth. He then travelled to the Future in 2020 to challenge Barry after obtaining all this power, Barry defeats him and traps him in the speed force.
Now the speed force is supposedly separated from the flow of time right, which means that changes to the timeline would not effect the speed force. So Barry creates Flashpoint, Savitar is freed in 2017 and kills Iris. Which then leads to the loop's creation. The original incident would not necessarily have to be the same as it is in the loop, if the timeline is changed in the first place.
@@Ravage47 right. Don't waste your time with these idiots.
I kinda understand the timeline thing, but since the whole timeline changed and Savitar was not effected in any way that you or I know of, does that mean Barry can live outside the timeline??????????????????
Stop me if i'm wrong, please do
I think the second thing that Savitar hasn't said yet might be that Barry has to create a Time Remenant
DAMN. I was so confused when Barry was revealed as Savitar, but you genuinely made me fully understand it! Thanks! X
one thing that should go on the timeline is 'WHO THE FUCK IS THE 5TH HUSK?' are we ever going to find out? since it has been driving me crazy since episode 2. Only 4 husk meta's have been discovered (mentioned) + it seems that the show has just forgotten about it. Was it Caitlyn? since it wasn't really explained how she got her powers.
That could be something they are leaving for next season.
I just assumed it was Caitlyn tbh
Pennywise if it was Caitlyn, then ep 21 makes no sense at all. She wouldn't have her powers if she was the final husk.
I believe she got her powers as a side effect of "fixing" flashpoint causing her to have powers. Like how cisco's brother is dead and John from arrow has a son.
I'm basing this off of what happens in ep 2 I believe, might've been 3. When he tells Caitlyn, it seems you're the only one whose life I didn't mess up. Then when he goes off screen her hand is covered in frost.
Ichinegro Negrosaki Except that the metahuman could be the new villain for Season 4.
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yo little question.. If I understood correctly, Savitar is trapped into the Speed Force.. TR, however, goes back in time and becomes Savitar and creates the philosopher stone.. the show also illustrated Savitar creating a illusion and actually needing Team Flash/Wally to throw the philospher stone into the Speed Force in order to free himself.. what happened to TR? As far as I understood, there are 2 Savitars , one of them being TR and the even older TR aka "Savitar".. hope that made sense.
King ster he's in the past
I think you did a perfect job explaining the timeline.
theoretically everything has a origin or in geometrical terms a point of origin so the time loop must have started somewhere and slowly evolved over time as different Barry's tried different things to save iris to our timeline now and this loop will be infinitely changing unless the time remnant is killed or the original flashpoint story line is disbanded in which Savitar will have never escaped but wait he was created by this timeline so if you think about it this whole season is a time loop starting with the flashpoint decision and can never be undone because the current timeline has had plenty of time to cement and so savitar is now a fixed point in time and whatever happens from until the resolution of the season is a bigger time loop unless Barry changes the timeline again
but how does the time loop starts? It has to start somewhere. Savitar creates himself (literally and figuratively). I am guessing the reverse Flash has a part in it. After all, his crusade is not that different from Savitar's. The current timeline is the reverse Flashpoint. When he killed Nora Allen after Flashpoint, he fucked something up in the timeline before going to the Ligon of Doom, and that started the timeloop.
Ahmed Adel it's a time loop. Like in doctor who in the beginning of time the future still exists so savitar creates savitar to create savitar to create savitar
As the show states last episode. Its a Chicken and the Egg situation. Can't really pinpoint what came first. It is just on a constant time loop with no beginning or end.
Pagey or the loop repeated so much that even Savitar forgot
Chicken or Egg or not Who made TR Barry's suit? If he had no friends (team flash), no family, or any money(well i guess he could have found a job lol) How did he create that incredible (god like) suit? My theory is that the loop is just a red herring to hide the appearance of the real Savitar to kill TR Barry and take his suit back. It's either this, or Savitar (TR Barry) comes from 2056 after our good Barry goes bad for some reason.
Or the Speedforce did it all to punish Barry, ...again.
A loop without a beginning or end is impossible: think of it like this -
If you draw a circle on a sheet of paper, there is a starting point, always. You then complete the circle and close it off, which then makes it a continuous loop, without stopping. If you erase a part of that circle, then it ends at a point. It cannot continue through a circle when part of it is missing.
Effectively, if Barry changes/erases a part of the Savitar time loop, then it can no longer fully continue, and it will have to stop at some point. Cisco was wrong for saying there is no beginning or end.
By the way, as an extension to this whole theory, if Barry just doesn't make any time remnants, won't the cycle end? He is erasing the part of the timeline in which he creates time remnants of himself, so Savitar will not be created.
Savitar's timeline is like a close cycle egg chicken kind of situation and the thing I am asking is why Black Flash dont chase down Savitar?Is it because he is a time remenant which does not exist?The second thing that Savitar wants is for Barry to lose the control of all time and for himself to become The Flash and make the others abandon and forget Barry thats what I think it is
Γιαννης Λ. THAT IS WHY HE IS CHASING HIM
Γιαννης Λ. Speedforce wants to see how it plays out, they said this when Barry went to save Wally. The speedforce controls Black Flash. I hope we see him as he would destroy savitar. The Black Flash slows down speedsters like he did with Reverse Flash
CDot wow Black Flash can SLOW down speedsters?
Γιαννης Λ. He can stop time forever but this will not stop speedsters but will only slow them down. This is in the comics not on tv and he is fast enough to catch reverse flash in seconds
Γιαννης Λ. Did you know the black flash is Hunter Zolomon (Zoom)
Actually the fight where barry creates time remnants to fight savitar doesn't happen in 2017, he said it happened 4 years later when he created the speed force gun. In the latest episode when Cisco is explaining the savitar timeline, he says, and I quote "*four years* from now, *future barry* makes time remnants, fights savitar" ...
I can't figure this out 4 years later what you said made my brain to blow up
and dont you think that the savitar in flash's suit is not savitar...he is barry's time remnant from future. he hasnt evolved into savitar yet
I'm confused about the time remnant going back in time and starting the myths how does the time remnant gets stuck in the speed Force before 2017 I think maybe Barry'sflashpoint screw up is actually the reason why this timeline is playing out like how we're seeing it that's why savitar is angry because originally savitar shows up kills Iris without Barry knowing who he is or even having that jump to the future and seeing Iris die in episode 9
Meanwhile Savitar was already defeated in the original timeline. The Reverse Flash knows his identity.
In depth video covering pretty much everything, What could this 2nd thing be that he couldn't tell himself ? - Nice work Pagey
hey pagey! love your videos. I think perhaps in the original timeline savitar was someone else completely different but then this time remenant version of barry once shunned by the others goes back in time to become savitar himself and then coming to kill iris thereby creating the timeloop.
The reverse flash also screwed the timeline by launching the Particle Accelerator earlier.So...
well, sort of
Shia Hemahrahsh He did change things by killing Barry's mother which never happened in his timeline. Technically Flashpoint was closest to the original timeline and was a fix-it of Reverse Flashpoint (the show timeline) but because the new timeline with Nora's death and Barry getting his powers earlier had cemented it caused problems and to compensate Wally was given his powers in Flashpoint.
I don't understand, cant Barry just not make time reminates when trying to kill savitar this time?
Lazer or kill the TR that was supposed to become Savitar?
Crimson Dynamite the flash doesent kill
Sir Jinxalott but it's technically himself he's killing...
Barry being Flash is extremely important for a base line of where we are in time. :p So good on you for adding it.
When he said he needed two things to happen maybe the second thing probably has something to do with Jesse Quick because when Savitar trapped wally in the speed force, Jesse went after him and Savitar said he has big plans in the future for Jesse.
let me get this straight, snart is here because in the new timeline he didnt go with the legends?
Cammy Whammy huh?..... thats the snart that joined the legends
Cammy Whammy thats a snart from a different timeline the one that joined the legends died
PhazeGaming that's what I meant thanks for clearing it up for me
PhazeGaming it's the snart from the current timeline but before he died in legends season 1 finale
he becomes flash in 2014
Shauneele no he was struck by lightning in 2013 and in the coma for 9 months
Yes but he becomes the flash in 2014
Procrastinator no
Procrastinator he may have been struck by lightning in 2013 but he became the flash in 2014
Gnome Stone no
Pagey you're right about the last thing because he said the more you time travel, the less the rules ally to you and that's why the time wraith aren't after him
Thank you, everyone says that savitar was created when barry made a time remnant in season 2 but thanks to you, you have explained that he was made in the future. Your the only person I know that has got this right
i think they are trying to explain the original timeline because without savitar to kill iris 2024 barry wouldnt have gone back and made time remenents so how was he originally created. I think the best theory is that when he created flashpoint and "changed everything" it allowed season 2 time remenent to survive. Then he was shunned and thats why he killed iris and created the loop... thing is why would they shun the time remenent that saved them.. unless he did something like if he was pissed he had to sacrifice himself or that iris had to pick one barry and then the time rement reacts and is therefore shunned then he is jealous and starts the time loop, went back and got the philosother stone and created roomers, got faster killed iris from the jealousy and started the loop. like he said each time
it creates a parrell universe so the question is whats the orriginal story. from that ud be correct the time rement was then made in the future.
Harry changed himself to Irish with HR's app because was already sick ,so he decided to take iris place.
The problem with that is Harry was never really sick. That was just a ploy he used to try to keep Jessie from staying on Earth 1 with Wally.
Hey pagey I personally think that the only way to truly stop savitar is for Barry to kill him because what if the speed force bazooka fails or instead of trapping him it only slows him down or makes his armor not work he could still eject from the armor what do u think about my theory
plz help someone...how did the first savitar appeared...coz if savitar is barry's TR..So there should be a savitar to make savitar (hopefully i make sense?)..so how did the 1st savitar appeared....
I just had a thought, is the philosopher's stone like a horocrux as he has a part of him and that is the reason he could talk to the team flash through anyone touching the stone.
he became the flash in 2014 because of wells originally barry becomes the flash in 2020
He gets struck by lightning in 2013 which is the point in which he gets his powers.
Pagey he wakes up 9 months later in 2014
I know. I've watched the show.
In Season 1 they clearly show he had his powers while he was in the coma.
Pagey Ik but just because he has powers doesn't means he is the Flash yet
Pagey all I'm saying is that he becomes a super hero with a suit and name in 2014
I hate the fact that Barry is savitar. Like even if he is they should have made a better story. I hate this time loop shit.
Mikail Omar agreed. It's a lazy and boring choice
penandpaper lies. It's clearly good and it's even similar with a comic story line, idk how that's boring and lazy, especially a season where a lot of people wanted this type of scenario. Ur probably just mad it wasn't Eddie or Ronie which would make absolute zero fucking sense.
The 2nd thing Savitar wants is to stop time from affecting him, he said "The more you break the rules of time, the more they don't affect you" and that could make him immortal, or allow him to go faster and faster
Notifications squad
Anyone notice the wells from season one calls everyone by there first name and the one in season 2 calls them by there last name and this wells in season 3 says there initial
Savitar could use H.R's light refraction technology to change his face into looking like normal Barry.
Here's the main question about this whole loop: does this savitar plan on getting trapped in the speed force (after killing iris)? Cause if he doesn't, then this loop just broke
Can someone explain to me why the Barry that gets shunned just go back to the point in time in which he is from? Aren't time remnants a version of Barry just in a different point in time, like 2 seconds in the past?
You know, I have a feeling that Savitar hinted at that second thing he needs when he mentioned the irony of talking to Barry. Savitar wants pretty much the same thing Eobard Thawne wanted; well similar. If Savitar gains the ability to control time then he can really be Godlike in a sense. He may also be able to rule over the Speedforce which would make him a God. When I saw how Barry's memory loss effected Savitar, I thought to myself this is a big problem for Savitar because I believe that Savitar wants to also kill Barry and remove him from the timeline without it effecting him in the process. This was originally what I thought the Reverse Flash's plans were going to be once he got the Spear Of Destiny. Question is how would Savitar be able to acquire these Godlike abilities? I believe he needs the Philosopher Stone to accomplish this but he doesn't have it. How else do you explain us not seeing the stone or it not even being mentioned since he's gotten free of the Speedforce? If this Savitar situation is an infinite loop that keeps repeating itself, what if time remnant Barry needs to find that stone all over again? Maybe I sound fuckin crazy but these writers have shown this season to give us the answer in a way that we would easily gloss over it?
I think the stone is the "projectile" that Tracy mentions when talking to HR about how it won't work. She mentions that she cannot launch the projectile, so I think that it is the source of the stone. If it can imprison Savitar, then it can surely also be manipulated to modify DNA.
What happened to the time remnant that went back in time to create the myth of Savitar? Cuz the Savitar we have right now is the one who scape from the Speedforce, who was inside the Speedforce when the remnant became Savitar. Did they merge into one, or are there 2 Savitars?
i understand the whole time loop thing but there had to be an original Savitar somewhere. the time remnant goes back in time and dawns the Savitar suit, but there had to have been a Savitar prior to time remnant Barry or else it wouldn't make sense for a time remnant who hasn't been made to become Savitar before there he was made...my brain broke
Makes sense
That line was a big help tbh
what if that one picture of all of them standing around a tomb is savitar, thats after he got defeated, and i think they care so much because even if he was bad, he was still barry from the future
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@pagey, can you explain which version of savitar is the one who is currently fighting flash... the version which was already trapped by future flash 4 yrs frm now by speed force bazooka or the one which was shunned by team flash, went back in time nd created myths..
also, in this timeline cisco got his hands, and killer frost seems to be turning back to catlyn (after working on the memory thing)
Pagey I have a question if barry makes a time remnant to let things in motion what will happen to the current savitar?
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He Pagey, The phylosophers stone in my belief is a conduit to the speed force, since the speed force exists both outside space and time and across space and time simultaneously. Perhaps Alt. Barry finds out about it and plays with it a bit planting seeds in the minds of the Savitar acolytes so they will seek it out to free him from the s.f. Prison at some point. It's a bit confusing but since Savitar only seemed Ultra Fast while tethered to the speed force he seems almost normal flash speed now. but perhaps he found the stone boosted his powers making him too fast to travel without the metal suit thus giving him the burns on his face? The side effect of it releasing him was perhaps incidental.
Savitar is trying to make his own flashpoint
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can someone please explain. in the beginning of savitar if he is due to barry creating a T.R to defeat him how can he exist before he is born because if there is no savitar barry wouldn't create a T.R to become Savitar. wait a have a headache
when barry lost his memory in the previous episode, savitar also lost his which caused wally to lose his power. but if wally never got his power then shouldn't savitar still be trapped in the speed force?
I have a question, savitar's timeline when he is spared by a future version of himself, than he enters depression when team flash doesn't like him because he isn't the real Barry, than he travels trough time and creates the myth of savitar and ends up in 2017 where he kills iris spares his past self and gets stuck in the speed force. So how did he end up stuck in the speed force in 2017?
Savitar is the Time Remnant version of Barry that died in Season2. Savitar talks about that incidents of the S2 finale when that time remnant dies protecting them all and everything was fine until Barry causes Flashpoint and changes everything (go watch the Savitar origin reveal in S03 E21) . So that time remnant which was supposed to die, actually lives due to Flashpoint and is then shunned by Team Flash because he isn't supposed to exist. He then learns that he's destined to become Savitar in the future so he goes back in time to find the philosopher's stone to actually become Savitar and then spends centuries gathering followers and becoming the God of Speed. Kinda like how Eobard Thawne, once obsessed with The Flash and turns evil once he realizes he's destined to become the Flash's greatest foe aka Reverse Flash and then does everything in his power to ruin Barry's life.
This sets up a causal loop or an infinite loop wherein Savitar has to effect certain elements in the past which will then lead to his creation in the future (read Iris' death ). Her death causes future Barry Allen( 2020) to create time remnants in a fight against Savitar where he kills all but one of them, knowing that one time remnant will be shunned by Team Flash for being an aberration and will eventually become him i.e Savitar.
Pagey then what happened to the orignal savitar if this savitar was a time remenant of future barry to help take down the orignal savitar it doesnt make sense? because shouldnt it be 2 savitar's that were trapped in the speedforce?
I am still really confuse this is why I hate time travel😂
Savitar can't waiste no time,he's really timeless
but his timeremnant was so kind and nice, he even killed himself for barry and the teams sake, weird how it ended up.
the way savitar berry explained it is that season 2 time rem dies like he should untill berry plays god with flash point thus making the orignal savitar to start the time loop in which iris dies and berry creates more time rem and savitar lets 1 live so he could be born and complete the cycle
I think Savitar is the original Flash since it says he was the first speedster and since eobard killed Barry's mother in the past. Then original barry should get erased from the timeline but since he is time traveling he gets pulled by the speed force and gets trapped. That is where he got all his anger since he lost everyone from his time.
I thought Savitar's cycle was borne of Flashpoint, that before Flashpoint there wasn't a Savitar and that afterwards in the new timeline the cycle exists but it appears to be going through the first cycle, it hasn't actually looped yet (because OUR Iris needs to die for the circle to be complete...) so there is still a chance to break the cycle...?
I watched an earlier video about the purple lightning of the Earth 19 Flash, where you said you did not know why Savitar has white lightning, and I believe it is because his engagement and entrapment in the speed force. I believe this because I was reading the rebirth issues of Flash and Titans, where the original Wally West was freed from the speed force, and now has white/silver lightning, like Savitar's lightning. And note that before being trapped in the Speed Force, the original Wally had yellow lightning. And some of you may be thinking "In the show Wally West (From the show) and Jay Garrick (The real one, not Zolomond) got trapped in the speed force and neither of them have white lightning." To respond to this statement, I can only assume that the changing of lightning to white must have something to do with the length of time a speedster is trapped inside the speed force. For example, the Wally West from the comics ended up with white lightning because he was in the speed force for a very extensive period of time, while the Wally West from the TV show was only stuck in the speed force for a short amount of time. I don't know if this theory has been used before, but it just occurred to me and sorry if someone else had this ideas before me.
Now that Barry knows Savitar is a time remnant. Which is new information for this timeline it's hard to understand what could cause Barry to make a time remnant now. Simply by knowing Savitars identity Barry could stop making time remnants and never create Savitar.
But I could see even if Barry makes a time remnant being very nice to the remanant and calling the remnant Bart Allen and sending him to an alternate earth to be their Flash. Possibly wiping his memory of the sad past with the amnesia process they used last episode only on the time remnant.
I kinda think the second thing savitar needs is the bazooka to work for some reason...
I think I have a pretty good handle on this thing now. The one thing I cannot figure out is that if Savitar is locked inside the speed force in 2020 and is released in 2017 and then gets locked in the speed force again in 2020, doesn't Savitar just keep going in a loop? I know the time remnant becoming Savitar is the a whole other loop in itself.
the second thing savitar needs is for barry to create the time remnants , but he won't tell barry or barry won't do it