The Differences among Liberals, Conservatives and Libertarians (Robert A. Levy)
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- Libertarians are neither conservative nor liberal. Cato Institute chairman Robert A. Levy explained the differences at Cato University on July 31, 2012.
I heard it put rather well once: "As libertarians we don't all agree on what a policy should be, but we agree on what the federal government's role should be in forming that policy."
Where are my Libertarians at?
Not a fan of the government, but they do good things sometimes, like giving out free stuff. BTW I'm not American.
LJC, you aren’t wrong. The problem is is that they’re too big.
@@niksterrr1110 Switched from Libertarian to Republican for reasons of practicality, but I'm basically a heavily Libertarian-leaning individual. My problem is the national LP is a legitimate embarrassment on the political stage. It's the state LPs that are where true change can and will occur with candidates like Larry Sharpe running in state elections. The 2016 LP convention was a disgrace, Gary Johnson was a lukewarm Libertarian at best, and the people currently running for the nomination in 2020 are just complete jokes of candidates. Let's be real, anarcho-capitalism is an incredibly marginal idea and people like Adam Kokesh are never going to be elected. Not to mention, I've watched him give speeches and lectures and he isn't an inspiring or eloquent individual. I also watched Steven Crowder rips his ass apart on a few issues in an interview once, which was hilarious.
Like I said, currently registered GOP, but I'm not ideologically wed to the party. My first party registration was Libertarian, but I'd rather just do what the tea party people want to do and take over the GOP. Things seem to be going in that direction anyway, with the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic party slowly eating it alive. Plus, we still have people like Justin Amash (essentially the same kind of Republican I am) in the party. Libertarian Republicans.
@@Bloodhound264
I really believe we need to compete with republicans, oust them, along with dems. Republicans and dems are both imperialists, for one, that's not Libertarian at all.
George Bush gave us Homeland Security, and eroded our rights away, Obama continued the foreign intervention, re instated NDAA, and Homeland Security = they are on the same imperialist agenda. We should not make the mistake of thinking republicans are closer to libertarians, strengthening their numbers and limiting our growth. It is the over reaching over bearing federal govt that holds us back, so, a poor libertarian is better than a good republican if you want any change. Stay loyal to your own ideals , settling for republican representatives only pushes back the Libertarian movement.
Not here we conservative
I just think that limiting government powers to what's outlined in the constitution would be a good start on shrinking it. Then we can work from there.
free speech, freedom to own guns free trade, freedom of movement no federal income taxes I think mist libertarians would agree on this.
One time I told a man he was dumb because he told me he was a libertarian and I thought he meant liberal but we are close friends now
Mr. Levy didn't touch much upon gay marriage. I can understand why. True Libertarians are against the government intruding on the institution of marriage, which is the sole invention of the church. The government has no constitutional right to be in the marriage business at all. No law should be passed that encourages it or discourages it through the tax code or any other code. Using government to force the church to redefine marriage is not fairness. It's just more BIG government intrusion.
The constitution is pretty clear about what powers the federal government has. The tenth amendment specifically says that the federal government ONLY has the authority in the few specific areas that the constitution lists, such as immigration and interstate commerce, nothing more. Anything not specifically mentioned as the power of the feds, is under the authority of the states. The tenth amendment also says that citizens are NOT limited only to the rights mentioned in the constitution.
That's right. 9th and 10th, both the last two amendments of the Bill of Rights serve the same purpose.
I think there is a constitutionalist and an anarchist (thus without formal law) strand of libertarianism, both with subbranches.
I like this
Mr. Levy conveys a good understanding of the 9th and 10th Amendments.
Now include the following sentences from the same quote. "The real obscenity is the size of government. Campaign laws simply won't solve the problem. Even if stricter laws were passed, the stakes are so great that the financing would just go underground (or under the table.) "
Anyone else find it funny that liberals and conservatives are united in their disdain of libertarians? I just love it. I take it as a sign of how insecure they probably feel, and how good our arguments are. Good video though. I hope they do a lecture on why people with a career in politics hate libertarians. My guess is because libertarianism requires a lot more personal responsibility when compared to the other political doctrines.
the right to smoke marijuana is covered under liberty in the 5th amendment
since pretty much all of our negative rights are listed in amendments 1 through 8
, the only rights that are left are positive rights
by default those are the ones referred to in the 9th amendment since they are the only ones left
I think you've got it mixed up
Very few people hold only one of these views across the board, yet there are many people who vote like they do.
Been registered as an Independent the past ~8 years, but I think im going to switch to Libertarian.
"John Stossel, whom I consider to be very Libertarian, is able to sit down with any Conservative on Fox and have a normal conversation with them without jumping to ridiculous conclusions and splitting hairs for the sake of argument." Bill O'Reilly must be the king of strawmen, combative interviewing style and jumping to conclusions, particularly with libertarians whom he almost always confuses with libertines.
Yeah. Because Stossel is an atheist and O'Reilly is a devout catholic.
Wow he talks fast. That is so much information pretty sure i would fail that quiz.
Would you rather be Libertarian or an Independent voter or even to jump into the Greene(Green) or Trumpian party??
This video would be good to repost - very relevant today.
I think the thing is,speaking as someone who become a Libertarian in 2019, is we need to find some common ground while still standing for our liberty and constitution! What we're going through right now has proven that more true than ever! And instead of arguing, why don't we have intelligent discussion instead of yelling and screaming at each other? If we can agree, we can agree. If we don't agree, we don't agree and we can still choose to get along!
Anything in that direction whatsoever would be a good start.
Normal pp, don’t think about all this I believe in being able to protect my family w no interference. I do agree more w Shapiro n crowder they seem to have more logic than any liberal on u tube
but they both are basically saying the same thing "there is people on both sides who are ass hats and don't make up the majority of the parties, but the alt right and the Leftist want you to think it is so"
Shapiro and Crowder speaks logically, except on religion.
ok then your not a libertarian the whole movement is based on the freedoms that the constitution grants us all.
I'm for a far lesser government than is allowed/outlined in it.
Untrue. Many libertarians (most) believe federal government should be responsible for certain things and there are disagreements among them about what those are.
Don't confuse rights with goods. Education, Healthcare, Jobs...those are are not rights. Rights are what a person can do without taking away from someone else. Hence why a person can speak freely because doing so does not take away the ability of someone else to do the same.
Registered libertarian here.
Well Koch Industries employs about 70,000 people 50,000 of which in the US, so it is a little strange to accuse them of "high unemployment". The recession? What does energy, mining, manufacturing and chemicals have to do with the housing bubble? Koch Industries isn't a bank. In fact it isn't even traded on the stock market. And why is "income inequality" bad anyway? Are you suggesting I, at 5'8" should be paid equally as LeBron James?
There are libertarian arguments (that don't violate the NAP) on both sides of the abortion issue.
Start here
Robert A. Levy's such an impressive guy. I remember David Boaz describing Levy's career change at age 50, when he found himself interning for a legal firm stuffing envelopes and other such banal stuff. A lot of precocious young lawyers or older guys in his position might have considered this an insult to their dignity, but since he was secure in his past successes in business he didn't mind. He soon went on to lift the DC gun ban and save a bunch of lives.
Because most conservatives do not hold Bush accountable to the same level as Obama, that is why it matters. If Romney gets elected, and he well may, there will be a deafening silence on the irresponsible spending on the military from conservatives. Likewise, all the left-leaning war protesters got eerily quiet when Obama continued to drop bombs on people, though they will return with a Romney presidency.
Can anyone tell me the difference between Liberal, Libertarian, and the Leftist?!!
It doesn't matter of you're a Liberal or Conservative....
Gay Marriage is NOT in the constitutional ammendment.If it is heck,even Conservatives will allow it.
Correct. Five fools donning black robes and declaring that a filthy, deadly perversion is the equivalent of holy matrimony cannot overturn Truth & reason.
It is not a Libertarian issue or concern. Interfering in the lives of these people is .
HR 347 the anti protest bill limits first amendment at the moment.
Man, in anarchist ideal of self-governing you could live in (Robert) White Country. ;-) But you should enjoy the principially good sides of the colorfulness of the US society, independent of particularist instrumentalization. Instrumentalization of the construct race in any form is unreasonable. While the criticizing of structural or specific (both) inequalities and disadvantage because of features such as skin color is justified, reasonable and an ethical task for us all as humans.
Silence is not synonymous with not voting. Libertarians are on the forefront of the battle for rights, only a small part of which has to do with casting ballots. While conservatives shake in their boots over working Mexicans or that gays want to get married, libertarians are busy finding ways to privatize things, reduce the size and scope of government and end the drug war.
I am personally undecided on how I feel about the overall relevance and utility of the constitution. However, it is the legal document that we have and it is clear that the federal government operates outside of it's restrictions in many areas.
It's very relevant. Its brilliant principles are clearly inspired of God. We must return to it's proscribed limitations on our federal government's powers.
@@karllandgren3312
Agreed, we have literally been taken over by our own representatives.
You can complain all you like, but that is not a counter claim. Yes, there is a lot of purchased influence which leads to bailouts, which libertarians and objectivists are also against, however it does not change the fact that A. Glass Steagall-like legislation didn't exist in other countries where there was no housing bubble and B. Most banks that got in trouble were not affected by the partial Glass Steagall repeal.
50 rights? What a strange challenge. I only have to demonstrate one to prove the point but I'll name several off the top of my head, some of which I have already mentioned. Gay marriage recognition, the elimination of tariffs, ending the drug war, ending military interventionism, reducing the military, cutting farm subsidies, cutting foreign aid, including Israel, more open immigration, and separating church from state.
Considering that banking, mortgages and housing are three of the most regulated of all industries, it is a spurious claim at best. Glass Steagall is not the villain you might think watch?v=ybFgF5bBcJQ As for income inequality, of course, when housing values decline, people with most of their investment in their home will lose disproportionally more than someone who has investments in capital or commodities. So what? We need those investments to grease the wheels of commerce.
the right to smoke marijuana is covered under liberty in the 5th amendment
since pretty much all of our negative rights are listed in amendments 1 through 8
, the only rights that are left are positive rights
by default those are the ones referred to in the 9th amendment since they are the only ones left
You are missing the point entirely. You are claiming that these non-voting conservatives are "virtually libertarian". I asked you to point out proof of their virtual libertarianism, but you cited mainstream conservative groups, and groups like the NRA which is a single issue organization. None of these serve to prove that these 30 million advocate for the things you claim; reducing the military for one.
I become very skeptical when someone is so well rehearsed and talks so fast,it makes me feel like they are trying to put something past me.
Okay then, where are these 30 million "conservatives"? Even if they don't vote, what do they publish? What are their websites? What are their think tanks? Libertarians of different stripes have many; Atlas Network, Reason, Cato, Mises Institute, Ayn Rand Institute, Competitive Enterprise Institute, just to name a few.
The letter of the Constitution as Law has been degrading practically since the founding of the Republic. I fear that our reverence for the Constitution prevents us from noticing that the genie can't be put back in the bottle. Of the Bill of Rights, basically only the first and third amendment are upheld. How can we make the Constitution be the Law?
Many libertarians do believe that abortion is murder. There are two prevailing libertarian thoughts on abortion. One is that preventing a woman from controlling a natural function of her body is an initiation of force against her (and the unborn baby is essentially a parasite), but the other opinion is that killing the fetus is an act of agression against the child who must be protected. These two different views are interpretations of the libertarian philosophy of the non-aggression principal.
Not according to this guy; watch?v=WvYDC32IrdU "Zo" is, of course, being completely absurd, but I think he represents much of the mainstream conservative base, which is fairly okay on economic matters (in principle, almost never in practice) but terrible on most social issues. The same goes for other young conservatives like Steven Crowder. As for me I don't mind at all being called a social liberal or a classic liberal.
Well Obama renewed the Patriot act, so as is the case with many other examples, Conservatives an Liberals are very very similar if not identical. John McCain for example wanted to regulate boxing. Bi-Partisan congressional committees have addressed baseball. And of course many conservatives want to increase tariffs on many foreign goods, even Romney has been very vocal on "cracking down" on China because they sell us stuff so cheap. I usually call that a bargain.
No, healthcare is a good. It is a product. It is dependent upon the labors of others. This is not what a right is. watch?v=nrT0kBeld3Q As for CEOs and Hedge fund managers, what do you care they earn? If you don't like it, don't give them your money. The government is the only entity that can legally (though immorally) take money from you by force.
Most of the liberals I've known have been hard workers, actually. Do you conservatives have studies to back up liberals working less?
I can name two off the top of my head; marriage equality and personal drug consumption. Of course there are many others including the weakening of the 4th Amendment and how it is violated by laws like the Patriot act, but gay marriage and the drug war spring to mind immediately.
"PJTV are Conservative, not Libertarian." NO SHIT. That is the whole point. Stop flip flopping saying conservatives are "virtually" libertarian when they are not. While libertarians and conservatives share some economic values, conservatives have a terrible record on civil liberties. You keep saying 30 million "real" conservatives are for civil liberties, but when I ask for evidence, you cite mainstream right wing organizations.
I've heard Rush a conservative refer to liberals as libtards...... I watch the Dennis Craig video talking about how conservatives and Liberals are on the same side. Because Liberals are for small government Define borders and freedom. I can't find a video libertarianism versus liberal. Or libtard versus liberal.
Are you calling Libertarians Libtards?
Except when John Stossel appears on Bill O'Reilly. Then Bill gets on his sanctimonious conservative high-horse about the drug war and other nonsense.
Liberalism worst conservatism best
Then why call them "virtually Libertarians"? By the way, what is the difference between Conservationism and Conservatism? As for the supposed 30 million, I'm sure the statists appreciate their silence.
Too bad many libertarians don't give a shit about what the constitution says, myself included.
True libertarians shouldn't care about a piece of paper saying what you can and can't do.
ARKAEA33 i think its good to protect us from peace officers
@@meurer13daniel Please re-read that unique, amazing, inspired document. It says what each branch of our federal government must, may, & shall not do. Which Article & Section dictates your actions?
That is indeed unfortunate, as it was obviously inspired by our Lord.
There is no uniform libertarian position on abortion.
Well, no, you're right that it's not completely sacrosanct, but both culturally and in the courts I'd argue that freedom of speech is respected in the USA. That sucks about your local goons doing you like that. Sounds more like a 4th amendment violation than 3rd though, unless they slept over.
You really believe that don't you? What a strange world you must live in.
Ah yes, no chance I could just love freedom for the sake of freedom. I must be paid. By the GOP no less! Never mind I am for the abolition of all subsidies, reducing the military, for gay marriage, against the drug war, for the separation of church and state and for more open immigration. Yes, what a right winger I am.
You summed up alot of Libertarian ideals in your attempt at whatever it was, True Libertarians are not right wingers , or leftist, that's why we are Libertarians, the present system is not what govt is supposed to be.
No, it isn't.
Too many big words
Are you stoned?
Ya
"I agree with 99% of what the CATO institute does." Okay, then why defend conservatism, when it is only in agreement with libertarianism roughly half of the time? Show me these "true" conservatives who hold Bush to the same standard as Obama. Even the Tea Party, with whom I often agree, were extremely late to the game in criticizing right-wing government expansion and abuse under Bush.
This guy rambles on about nothing ....look somewhere else