Project Stellar is SUPER Disappointing...
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- The MakeMhz business plan.
1. Overhype, Underdeliver
2. Lock you in their ecosystem
3. Gaslight
4. Deliver on their promises when / if they feel like it.
Welp Project Stellar from MakeMHZ is currently a hot mess missing most of it's advertised features. It's currently no more of an "ODE" than a softmodded xbox.
No 128mb ram support, No Xiso, or CISO support currently.
Apparently it's going to use a whole new format and existing iso formats likely won't be supported. Don't buy the hype, this thing is no where near ready and currently no better than a tsop with m8 evox.
If you already have the original hd+ with patched M8 you're probably better off staying there for now.
Personally I recommend using Cerbios with a different hdmi solution.
Timestamps
0:00 - intro
0:37 - Marketing VS Reality
1:50 - "Upgrading" from Patched M8 / Open Xenium
5:00 - Testing / HDD formatting / Software setup
7:09 - Placebo Ram
7:25 - Cpu 1080c
9:13 - Final Thoughts / Better cheaper alternatives
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Welcome to the MAKEMHZ Buyers remorse emotional support group.
Today's topic: sunk cost fallacy and letting go.
@@ShredderN64Alt I had to google to figure out what the hell you're talking about.
Yes lol
The XBOX HDMI (Now HD+) was a nightmare. The install was easy on a 1.6, but the software was absolute hell on launch and really even a year later it still had some issued . Trying to get that and the Xenium on compatible updates took a long time, because the original software wouldn’t work with all TV’s/Monitors, not sure it it was a sync issue at whatever frequency the thing ran at or if it didn’t follow proper HDMI spec. Whatever 2.0 software I have on there now stays and I’m done forever messing with it since it seems to finally work with multiple TV’s, but I’ll probably not have all the features.
Still in the box in my sock drawer. Maybe someday.
It does support 128MB RAM now. You need to have the latest update and enable PFN in the setup menu.
I'm just getting into the Xbox scene and appreciate your videos. Any chance you'll be revisiting this after it's recieved a few updates?
It sure seems like a lot of other posts and videos gloss right over how bare bones it is. I kept hearing about potential rather than what it could actually do. After experiencing the Psio and Terraonion products I really don't trust in potential anymore.
If anything It really highlights how mature the HDMI projects from Citrus3000psi and PixelFX have been. When it comes to ODE and video mods I want them to just work.
Thank you for doing the video. Hopefully it saves some people from going in with high expectations.
PixelFX has never disappointed me and doesn’t blatantly deceive their customers. I’m still holding out hope for the to make an Xbox hdmi solution
5:32 that's definitely not comic sans tho
could you help me out with one thing mate? i have matrix v1 on my xbox 360 and it used to work perfectly, now when im trying to start it up chip itself starts flashing blue light and on the power button theres static green light. there is no signal on hdmi. what could the problem be?
I was really thinking about getting the bundle BUT thankfully I've found your video!
I will wait. We are not a beta tester.
you are if you buy it right now, its a beta product
@@RedOverlordyou got swindled into being a beta tester. No where was that mentioned in the initial marketing.
@@RedOverlord The discount is bigger if I don't buy anything. (Rock, Julius).
Thank you for this video. Was really looking into getting the best HDMI option and figured Stellar might be nice to have aswell but i'm having second thoughts now. Maybe better to spend some money on a cheap adapter and live with the less than perfect image quality and a simple TSOP flash but save more than a €100. Problem is for me at least revisiting an old console is always very shortlived ... afterwards it goes back in the box for another decade. Also these day's shipping half working stuff is becoming the norm .. from games to even cars it all get shipped asap with promises,bugfixes,payed services down the line. They say "updates" i see shit that should have worked in the first place. Thanks for bringing a critical view to this ... especially compared to the other video's arround. I don't get why stuff needs to be sold before it's finished ... no doubt this is an amazing piece of kit worth of the price and props to the makers but just finish it and then sell it not before and everyone will be much happier.
The HDMI adapters did not able to reproduce Dolby Digital format. as the genuine composite video adapter can through toslink. Is stella HD+ able to reproduce this thgrogh DMI?
The Electron Shepherd adapter does convert the toslink Dolby Digital signal to HDMI.
I don't know anything about modding or mod chips ive been looking around everywhere online trying to find out if its possible to mod a game on my xbox series x that doesn't support mods its battlefront 2 could someone please let me know if its possible and if it is where I can find someone capable of doing this to my xbox
Just got my first og Xbox..Is it all good now?
So if i install steller into my 128mb Xbox will it just give me a frag? How does it compare to the OpenXenium? And with all of the advertised features they sure do have big shoes to fill.
No it won't frag unless it's installed incorrectly. The 128mb ram will show up in stellaros but once you boot to the dashboard it won't be accessible.
TLDR 128mb isn't supported at all yet. If you have it installed it just won't be accessible.
WIth openxenium m8 there's a patch to get 128mb working so openxenium with patched m8 is currently more capable
Well, now I know what it looks like when it is working. My issue might be HD isn't updated.
Man I remember seeing this advised on macho nacho. Felt like he hyped it up more then make any constructive criticisms.
it was probably a paid advert tbh
Hope they will fix it. Perhaps they will
This thing has the potential to do things that weren't possible before, but I definitely agree that listing features on the Features page that the chip doesn't support yet was a bad move. I was disappointed with how basic it was when I first got mine (I went back to Cerbios at first), but features have been added that made me switch back to it (1.4ghz support, more partition layouts). It has a lot of potential, but will take time for that potential to become a reality. I'm excited to see what comes out over the next few months, but as it stands, it still has a lot of room to grow.
I think Dustin (Makemhz) is a very talented developer who is capable of delivering on promised features, but again, expectations were set (by him) that the chip could do more than what it currently offers, and that created a lot of issues I see people have with it.
Also, loading other BIOSes would be cool, but I can kind of understand why that isn't a priority for them. If all you want to do is load Cerbios, this chip isn't for you. Doing so would negate the need for an ARM co-proccesor and all the work that went into re-compiling the stock BIOS at boot time. I was interested in Stellar for the platform that it is, not just the ability to run unsigned code and such, like other chips/BIOSes offer. Once it matures, it will be impressive. For now it's still somewhat early in its life cycle and has plenty of room to grow before it becomes a truly compelling product.
That co-proccesor excites me though. One drawback of the way Xboxes operate is that they don't have the ability to multi-task. When you launch a game or app, that's all that is running. With Stellar, it opens up the possibility of running background tasks. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually see plugins that do all kinds of fancy things, like maybe even having an Xbox-360-like overlay on top of apps, where you can take screenshots, play music or perform other tasks without rebooting. StellarOS already kind of does this when you launch into its menu during startup, which shows the potential for this.
But users need to be aware that they're mostly paying for what's to come later, as opposed to what it currently is. I knew this when buying, but was still kind of surprised what features were "planned" versus what was already supported. Updating that Features page would go a long way towards transparency and setting expectations accordingly.
Scotch, as usual a very well worded informative comment.
Absolute banger of video. Very succinct and unbiased take. Will not be recommending Stellar to others, nowhere near enough bang for buck compared to alternatives.
I'm hoping nemesis comes through with his hdmi mod tbh without any lockdowns to certain bios' etc like makemhz.
Plus he's a fellow aussie so i gotta cheer him on. :)
I'm still rocking my old ass X3CE with the lcd front panel in my xbox. It always thinks it's 2004 if it hasn't been plugged in for a while (new clock cap of course) thanks to come bug in their software not liking dates past 2019 i think. But it still works fine otherwise. :)
I made a patch the other day to the X3 BIOS that should fix that clock bug you mention, though I currently have no way of testing as I don't have an X3 modchip lol
I grabbed one because i was doing the HDMI+ mod anyway. I think that's about the only use case scenario that makes sense with it atm.
Yeah it's manditory with the new kits. I guess the MCU was removed from the new HD+ kits so they won't even work with an OpenXenium like the previous kits.
If you get a new Hd+ you have no choice but to use Stellar
Well, i have an X Box with corrupted bios chip, so stellar would be a 2 flies in 1 hit for me.
The disappointment is stellar here.
Mistakes were made
ya, i bought it for the iso and ode promises. initial experience has sucked
It would still be worth it to me as an ODE/ISO loader. That's literally the only reason I bought it as I don't want to upgrade the OG HDD. It will sit on the shelf for a while longer uninstalled I guess.
i don't think people realise how difficult manufacturing can be, it looks good so far and provided people continue to buy it it will improve.
I mentioned on Twitter as well but DVD eject to dashboard is not patched out with Stellar so it messes with using the disc drive in apps other than the dashboard like XBMC (not set as dash) or DVD2Xbox.
The IGR is janky and reboots the whole console vs the Dash.
Ejecting the tray exits to the dashboard but UDMA drops from (whenever you have selected) to UDMA2 until the console is restarted via the power button or IGR combo.
The lack of 128MB is strange as Stellar should just pass through the ram.
I enjoy it but kinks are getting ironed out might as well wait tho and save ya money.I was bored and wanted something to do as a project.Hopefully with help from other devs this will and engineers this will see its full potential
>_< I actually wanted this JUST to fix my drive issues with all the rest of the coming features being a cherry on top. My hard drive failed and needed to be replaced - this thing lists as having so much built in, INCLUDING the drive formatting/use. I saw one channel that just straight up indicated they used the built in features with only FTP for the dashboard.
This is pretty disappointing.
Thanks for the info glad i never purchased one as im still on the hunt for a good HD mod that works as im using a modded wii2hdmi at the moment
Any HD mod suggestions are welcome 😊
Retrotink 4K with Original Component cables
Thanks for the shoutout to my C and pack and guide
Crap, I just got this in the mail. (Haven't installed it yet). Thanks for the vid.
Hey Modzville, I remember in your previous video you had an issue with you XboxHD+. How did that get resolved, did they end up replacing the the HD+? I'm just trying to get a feel for their customer service before placing an order. Thanks
Man it's been an unpleasant ride since then. I'll sum up my experiences between the two videos.
- Got second hdmi kit in, swapped it in and it worked fine. Was told I probably fucked the first up with a bad mod chip install which makes no sense whatsoever.
- Later down the line I installed an Hd+ in a 1.0 only to find out that 720p would freeze using their kits. They said just replace all the capacitors which worked for literally no one. Eventually they mad another qsb to address 1.0 720p freezing issues but tried to make it out to be a user error. No clue if the second qsb actually worked. From what I've heard 1.0s still have a shit load of issues with Makemhz products.
- Did an install for someone eventually. It ended up fragging when it installed. I narrowed it down to the reach around portion of the flex cable. People in the discord were talking down to me and busting my chops until it was revield that there was a new flex design that the documentation didn't cover. Pin spacing changed ect. I was counting the spacing right but since it was a new undocumented design i had to do it differently.
- the 1.6 flex cables aren't double sided and are stupid weak and rediculess to get a proper connection. I think they're just cheaping out on materials. It could be stupid easy to install but those flex cables need to be double sided.
- All around unpleasant behavior from dustin showing up in my mentions everytime I list xbox parts for sell. Saying stuff like I sell bogus xbox ram, any Xenium firmware that doesn't have his branding with brick consoles, Just blatant bullshit. He does the same thing to anyone else who provides Og xbox products.
Makemhz is the worst company in the space. If you have an issue with their product you'll be gaslit, talked down to and brushed off.
@@ModzvilleUSA Damn , that sucks.. it does not sound like a good experience at all and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Especially since these kits are not cheap. The OG Xbox has been around for a long time and I'm in no rush to spend my hard earned money on a half ass beta project. I'm going to wait unit they fix these bugs / improve the project or hopefully someone comes out with a better HD kit in the near future that supports Cerbios.
@@Mareka6969 good call!
@@ModzvilleUSA hey, you excited for the The Retro GEM from pixel fx coming to the OG xbox?
@@Mareka6969 Indeed I am
we have always been Makemhzs' beta testers. i was one of the early users of the 1st XBOX-HDMI. it was a cluster fuck at release. most of the issues where eventfully worked out, but it took a lot of extra time and effort
They need to be more clear about that or people need to stop being polite.
That shit is ridicules imo and shouldn’t be tolerated.
Glad I've held off on this for so long; thanks for putting everything out there in a clear, concise format
This means a lot coming from you. You know the Xbox in and out better than any human I know.
10:10 Pandora V1.0.6 - Latest Cerbio's Build XBOX console based applications BIOS
Makemhz updated stellar last night to 1.2.0 which brought xiso ciso and iso support :)
Not officially listed on website yet.
@Negrodomaus sorry when I typed that I was referring to the github page :) not the website
I DM'd Dustin a while back about what file library to build up and he specifically told me that xiso would be supported.
If he's changed his mind about xiso then that's great news.
Still I'll believe it when I see it. Currently there is sliders in the UI to enable ISOS, I tested my xiso set and and they did not work.
Wouldn’t the fact that this allows you to use an upgraded CPU make this a no-brainer as the other problems can be compensated for? I’m not saying the company is correct in what they have done I’m just trying to decide whether or not I want to buy it if you were building the ultimate Xbox what revision would you get and then which mods would you apply??
For a cpu upgraded console Stellar is a no brainier for sure once 128mb gets supported, ideally xiso as well. Fingers crossed another bios implants these cpu upgrade features.
Sans cpu upgrade Ultimate Xbox for me is…
1.0
Noctua cpu fan
X3 + x3cp
Cerbios cci set
Xbmc4gamers
Internal ogx360
128mb ram.
@@ModzvilleUSA for the CPU upgrade if you don’t need a switch in order to switch it back to 700 MHz isn’t that is easy as just buying a better CPU and dropping it in or this morning to be done for the CPU swap? Thank you so much for this information. It’s so confusing it’s nice to see someone making awesome videos about it. Thank you.!
@@ModzvilleUSA what about other chips? Do they work? I see alladin chips for $10 which makes me afraid to try it until I hear what others are saying
XISO, ISO and CISO are now here. Same for 128MB. Grab firmware 1.2.0 and be happy
I've heard csos run terribly. Glad it's been implemented but cerbios is still the better choice unless you have a cpu upgraded console
@@ModzvilleUSA so far what i've tried ran well, but I haven't done any CSOS yet as I have none. I'll download one or two to give a try. I really needed the 128MB support and it's there now. No doubt cerbios is great, that's not even in question. But for once I'm happy MakeMHz came through on some of the promised features.
Oh boy lol EDIT: Honestly, reasonably fair. I do hope the rest of the features are built out and fully supported.
Bro I havent even watched the video but I'm super grateful to see some doubt cast on this market. These products, their support, and their discord massively let me down. I dont buy his products anymore.
Actually slightly irritated that it doesn't support cci format
Open source chips just CANNOT stop winning
I was super excited for the stellar, installed it, then realized I had to buy an upgrade kit to connect it to my HDMI+. Got the kit an installed everything, XBOX crashed constantly. The mobo had been recapped so I decided to try another power supply I had lying around, thinking maybe some aging caps on my current PSU were at fault. Upon booting the new PSU something shorted on said PSU and completely killed my HDMI+ and the input board for the display it was plugged into. The XBOX is 100% a-ok, and I know this is my fault, but you'd think there would be some better protection on the board, the fact that nothing died on the XBOX, but my HDMI+ and monitor are now dead, makes me concerned about the fragility of this expensive hardware. Dell is at least happily replacing my monitor after I explained what happened, but I'm left with a dead HDMI+ that is now roughly twice what I paid for it to replace. I just re-installed the original AV port, am using an XOSVP now, and using a Jafar chip I built up with xblast + cerbios. Everything works and is super stable now, and looks great through a retrotink.
Don't that have that info on every page selling it? "HDMI+ Kit version, Required version if you have HDMI+" ?
@@Artimidorus They definitely do now, it's possible it was there too when I got in on the first round pre-orders, but I don't remember seeing it.
@@Artimidorus It's definitely there now, I can't remember if it was for first round preorders. Regardless it seems silly to not just break out the i2c lines to pads the user can solder to
Zombies ate my neighbors!!
zombies are my neighbors.
Thanks a lot man . I was just about to purchase Project Stellar but you have convinced me otherwise!
I was kinda onto it too. But my personal option is that the developer just might be slow. So I'd check out the project after some months again
@@0xZero0swe still, it’s shady for them to release this as a finished product when it is a beta at best
@@Trebliw8 Btw, yeah. You got a point there. I'm not into it very much
I'm surprised there's still no way to run games from SMB like on PS2
I heard something very disturbing about the owner.
Thanks for a FAIR and informative video Modzville! Appreciate you giving it to us straight!
stellar bios is incompatible with some games like wolfenstein..
This thing is awesome its just not got everything ready yet
Anything*
This this thing is basic AF right now.
It feels like my cerbios tsop flash is better than this. Cheaper easier and has support for 16tb drives.
Yup cerbios is objectively better than stellaros and it's free
i'm glad you made this video! after macho nacho's show i was going to buy one.
😂😂😂😂😂 I’m with you bro !! CERBIOS !!!!!!!
😂 you missed legacy support , sd card support for hdd/img, and much much more And bugs bugs freezing
Legacy hdds has been sorted out now but I mentioned it wasn’t available on launch
@ModzvilleUSA sorry to clarify I ment legacy bios support . It was said that it would support loading bios off the SD card
@@ohap1234 oh right, yeah that's still not a thing lol.
Finally, someone has come out and said it. Biggest waste of money. My Xbox has less features now, than it did before. None of my games will launch, the traditional HDD setup that works with most modchips, does not work, none of the features I bought this chip for, actually exist even though there was no indication of that when I preordered. And the wait...I pre ordered in January, with the promise that it would ship in February, but didn't receive until June, just to be complete disappointment.
Almost bought this too i was lookkng for info on this and found your videos ,glad i didnt buy
Glad I saved you from some disappointment. This thing is no where near ready.
What a stellar failure.
How Stellar didn’t get her groove back?
Aladin wins
Stellarsisters... Not like this...
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ModzvilleUSA! i believe there are still some things missing for this chip to be 100% i talk a lot about the original xbox in brazil, hello on my channel, your channel is very good!
Wow, I thought about buying this but after watching this video I will stay TF away from this thing.
Can't wait for the PixelFX Xbox HDMI port. It should run circles around MakeMHz's one
I hope they do it. Pixelfx makes products that just work without compromises
@@ModzvilleUSA They offer excellent scaling too. The fact that the MakeMhz mod can't scale above 720p/1080i is pathetic. Hopefully the PixelFX mod can do 1440p or atleast 1080p.
@@MichaelM28 totally. Cerbios with component and external scaler is the way to go
@@ModzvilleUSAYup. Got my PS2 and Xbox hooked up to a gcompsw connected to a Retrotink 5x with HD Retrovision cables 💪💪💪
@@subierektA bios patch is more than acceptable if they can scale above 720p/1080i
5:28 this video lost all credibility at this exact moment. you dont even know what Comic Sans is.
I thought the MakeMHZ HDMI mod seemed pointless to me. No surprise here that this thing is a massive disappointment, seemed like most of the advertised features were just crazy pipe-dreams.
It's not pointless but without better scaling (limited to 720p/1080i maximum) the image quality improvement doesn't justify the price and work. Best to wait for PixelFX (creators of the PS1Digital) to release their HDMI mod for the xbox.
@@MichaelM28 I honestly wouldn't let the scalability of it determine if its worth a purchase or not. If it already had all the features it had listed then it'd be a no alternative buy for anyone looking to get the best out of their xbox, especially since unlike PixelFX's type of digital mods, the whole point of XboxHD+ was fixing compatibilities and trying to create a more native mod of running HD content on an HD capable machine. I personally think even a straight 480p digital mod just to lose the digital to analog conversion would be great with Retrotink 4k on the horizon within another year or two as having digital to provide out to an upscaler that accepts digital that's going to go much further than any individual mod in any system is going to give the best experience you'll probably ever get.
@@MichaelM28 I prefer the method MakeMHZ had for the HDMI implementation; use as much of the base hardware to generate the video; if you need any advanced features, let a scaler (like the RT4k) handle it for you. While PixelFX makes great products, they tend to be an all-in-1 solution which means you got the full scaler + features which results in longer dev time, more bugs in the beginning, and significantly higher up front cost.
XBOX HD+ is more similar to how GCVideo works in that respect.
You could say Project Stellar isn't stellar
Think people need to learn to have some patience,its not that he has a whole team around him,think in the next weeks some updates coming.
When u advertise features of a product and can't ship with everything and don't tell anyone, customers have plenty of room to be disappointed. One can be disappointed and also patient at the same time. If he couldn't ship as needed he could have been up-front or delayed it. Things start looking like a sucker act when your product ends up being a released beta for customers to test. lmao
They weren’t honest when they sold this to people. Everyone learned how rough this thing is when they got it. When you sell people something dishonestly people are going to be pissed. Simple as that
@@ModzvilleUSA Pissed cause features are not there while he's working on them,find it a bit cheap (my thought),but everyone think what he wants, maybe he could be a bit more clear on what he's working on,but like i said before,its not a whole team,he does it alone,give him time to implement stuff and more important TEST them so they work as intended on release,far better then like on psio where you got in the first year weekly updates that broke more then it fixed.
@@Fille-lj1qv they were blatantly dishonest in their marketing. Had they been up front this wouldn’t be an issue.
@@subierekt Archive of original product page is here.
Feel free to cntl f and search for the word beta.
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Retro community dung-flinging at its finest folks.
if you upgrade ram and or cpu you need to patch your xbe files