Hope for cool heads to prevail in GNU talks
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
- President Cyril Ramaphosa has accused the Democratic Alliance of jeopardising the foundation of setting up a Government of National Unity. In a leaked letter, Ramaphosa says the DA has made negotiating difficult.
Political analyst Dr Ongama Mtimka weighs in.
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Was Ramaphosa even a person whose word is his pride or integrity? Since he became president he made empty promises to the people of South Africa
czcams.com/video/e_Ji5WcZdt8/video.htmlsi=HAMvYchvmjHmt9c_ This makes so much sense now
At last an honest evaluation.
Eaiting in anticipation for the "New Dawn" the gogo with intellect!! 💎🧢🌂proud of you Helen 👍
Why keep saying DA "demands "
If terms were negotiated before squirrel was inaugurated- how can ANC suddenly be surprised!😮
It's always a pleasure listening to this smart analyst.
Always measured.
The most seasoned son of the soil. Political analyst. Well read and well spoken.
Communities warned ANC years back. They never listened. Message was very clear and Loud. ANC can be replaced.
What the DA wants is less than what their quota entitles them to. They are being quite reasonable but the ANC is having difficulty in giving up a share of it's power.
If the DA walks and is replaced by MK and EFF will their demands be less than the DA's ?
ANC/DA are already in the marriage. This letters is just to confuse their handlers to show they are tough. The deal is sealed long ago. This is just a show😂😂
Marriage that doesnt proceed but stuck?
Evidence?
There is no “the ANC”. ANC is an umbrella of multiple interests. It’s like an arranged marriage into a dysfunctional family.
@@AddaiBoateng-xs6zc Cabinet
I think you are right. All for show.
Voters have proven they want change and do not want the ANC to be the only ones in power in cabinet
Cyril Ramaphosa seems to forget the DA was responsible for him being President of South Africa.
THIS IS HALF-TRUE: the root cause of this movie has everything to do with the fact that the ANC failed in AMENDING the CONSTITUTION and advance to elect the president of the republic DIRECTLY IN 2 ROUNDS. Once you've done that almost all the problems disappear like the proverbial snow in the sun: a. the president will have a DIRECT mandate from the electorate; 2. he, for having WON the election has his own party literally towing his line, while jogging for positions in office; 3. he, from a position of electoral strength can invite who HE wants for dinner. I also suggest that SA moves to AMEND the CONSTITUTION to introduce the office of the PRIME-MINISTER. The current prime ministers of the provinces should hence on be called GOVERNORS!
Don't point fingers at Ramadollar.
ANC thieves overpower Ramadollar in the NEC meeting. These thieves don't want DA cos stealing won't freely and easier. With the DA in the mix, many ANC thieves will go to jail including Zuma.
ANC are playing games. They did not get 50 % but still want to have the same power
Says who? Democracy is about numbers. They had the most hence.
Give them another 50% if you do have them.
Create a minister of green energy, minister of red grapes post and if we refuse the "bloating" of cabinet then we will have a choice to make as the DA.
All the world is a stage. They are trying to look busy. Like when a mechanic only changes your airfilter after three days of working on it, to give the impression of hard work. 😂
Well explained SIR 100% correct.....
The only political analysis who knows what he is talking about and not giving a biased opinion. Great talk.
Please work together politely and form a co-operative government.
Ramaphosa his already chosen DA members
Ramadollar phalaphala represent WMC and DA combination than Natives
@@shonisanisteven6015 big noise don't want loose phalaphala and marikana
Hi my favorite seasoned Political analyst. Let cool and matured heads lead. There are internal dynamics within parties , very tense and grand standing.Very sensitive grandstanding negotiation. Section 17, the Pres has the ultimatum to appoint the cabinet as stipulated in the Constitution.
This analyst make sense & speaks the truth. He is not down playing the DA's importance..
czcams.com/video/e_Ji5WcZdt8/video.htmlsi=HAMvYchvmjHmt9c_ This makes so much sense
ANC is in a corner, the electorate gave them 40% of the vote. Now make the right decision for the country, not the party.
ANC is going down the drain sewerage. The country is going down the drain sewerage. DA wants to correct the situation. ANC is worried about,their chances of stealing is running out.
Tell DA is not a majority too
@@silaskhalishwayoYes but to be fair they need this thing within the GNU called "proportional representation". It's only normal and fair. The ANC is being unreasonable.
@@silaskhalishwayoNo one had a majority. This why we need a coalition of competent leaders and not criminals.
@@silaskhalishwayo true Silas, but it means the ANC HAS TO concede and give ground BY LAW........
Doctor, can you tell us, is the ANC entitled to decide how many ministries should each party get? Secondly, how many ministries should be allocated to the ANC bearing in mind that the position of the president and deputy are theirs already?
Enough talk, we need action. Our health system has failed 😢 its completely broken. The sick are suffering 😢
ANC needs the DA. The ANC can't handle the responsibility of running South Africa.
Very objective. At the forefront of the best political analysis I have heard during this period.
I don’t think the DA is aggrieved by the inclusion of the other parties per se… but the problem is when the ANC tries to decide how many ministries positions should be allocated to each party as if they are doing favours to the DA…
40% behaving like 70% and 20% behaving like 50%.
Oh wait forgot 2% is talking more than both of them 😂😂
😂😂😂
Who is 2%. ??
Gayton
I think the ANC and DA have reached an agreement & that these leaked letters are nothing but a way of trying to convince us that your negotiations weren't easy.
Your thinking is out of line of thought process 😂😂😂😂we told long time ago anc is an entity no one man show...DA and ramaphosa thought black people who don't like DA from anc will stand this😂😂😂never..anc will never work with DA alone without black people In majority
@@silaskhalishwayo you have a skewed perception. Naturally the majority Of South Africa is black however the ideologies are different. One is Marxism and the others are socialism, communism and free markets and capitalism with a smattering of socialism. Regardless of whether you think the DA is "white" you couldn't be further from the truth. According to stats approx 8% of the population is European so where does the rest of the votes for the DA come from? Riddle me that batman .... Please .... Of course you could come back with some derogative comment such as those who vote for the DA are "coconuts" but of course that is just a very ignorant insult in the hope you attract more blacks to your point of view because "nobody wants to be labeled a coconuts" but there again you have to ask yourself why all the politicians children attend private schools and study overseas as well as the politicians get private medical aid whereas the majority receive poor service in all departments and the hospital is a place where people go to die. Communism .... Some are more equal than others. Ps, did you know that in South Africa there are more black dollar billionaires than European and the black middle class is far far larger than the European middle class? Makes one wonder why you don't research your material before shouting your ignorance on line. My suggestion? Shut up, grow up and stop taking those lies spouted by politicians as to be self evident.
If the DA walks away from this GNU, is a two can play a game scenario . Never humiliate your partner in negotiations , unless pushed at a corner by your opponents. Open card type of negotiations. Watching this space with anticipation.
Don't sellout the Trade and Insdustry ministry , a very vital component of the poor. They should cool off and meet each other to move forward , but never display weakness to your opponent. GogoZille is a an obstacle and a thorn in a flesh, she needs to stand aside as she is not the leader of the DA in parliament, but DA have allowed her dominancy and her bulliness to stand on their way. I can see EFF and MK waiting eagerly for the fall out, especially Malema the opportunist. They will eventually find each other again, we need to clean this country of corruption and create jobs. ❤❤
Playing to the gallery.
The final conclusion is already there . The letter is just to confuse
Indeed SA citizens can replace parties that are party serving while preaching GNU in the media, 5 years is just around the corner we are carefully considering. Perhaps a new legislation giving guidance on the cabinet of the GNU will suffice with the requirements that must be used to make the selection of the said ministers. Coz absolute power by the President also undermines balance of powers bcoz Presidents can also abuse their power as we have seen in the past.
Dr Mtimka always speaks in logic and fact......
prof, you are surgical as always, we love listening to you and you motivate us, but it is now an open secret that Zum Africa has an agaenda and hardly sees the strength or electoral impressive position of the DA,
The ANC should also reevaluate what benefit their alliance with the SACP, they receive.. I believe in that relationship, only the SACP benefits. If the SACP were to stand for elections on their own, they will be just as "successful"... Lol as RISE, Bosasa etc.. Blade and 1 or 2 others will at best get a MP position.. No minsterial position!
The SACP must join with EFF. Their ideology align better with Malema.
If they cannot find each other then let other parties be considered. The DA differ ideologically with the ANC and the EFF also slightly differ with the ANC . So If the DA walk away , then let EFF walk in so that the government can function. This stalemate must fall.
ANC must give up their positions to the smaller parties they invited to join the GNU. DA ggave them no authority to give away their seats
So, now if the ANC go to MKP and EFF and offer them more ministries than they offered the DA...
This Tom and Jerry happening between ANC and DA, is just a mere publicity stance. DA knows exactly what will definitely happen if they leave the GNU and they don't want that to happen.🤞🏾
This gnu is going to destroy this country its not the ryt thing they disagreeing now before they start working together no ways this is not for the country
and the alternative to the GNU is what ?
@@hyltonswemmer4824the alternative is that the ANC must just be honest otherwise this thing is going to collapse
The ANC needs to go back to the EFF and MK, nothing else, that is the best option for the majority, period @@hyltonswemmer4824
Let re-vote so that ANC can get that 51%.
Or MK gets 40% EFF 11% ATM 2%= 53%
We are tired with the bickering of these unholy marriage. Let divorce papers be served speedily
That letter was drafted by NEC, Ramaphosa was forced to sign and forward it. ANC is not accepting defeat, 40% means powerless, Mayibuye
THEY GOT ENOUGH CTOWD TO LOVE THRM SOME DISPISE THEM , ITS UNKNOWN HELEN WAS NOT CAMPAIGNING WHY JOHN STEENHAISUN NOT TALKING HE HANDED DA TO HELEN ZILE SO MUCH THE WORLD IS WATCHING GOD'S MERCY UPON SOUTH AFRICA 🇿🇦🙏🇿🇦🙏🇿🇦🙏🌎🙏🇿🇦
They wanted ANC to bow in we are watching thread steadily
A letter from the Steenhuizen to Ramaphosa also leaked. It reads. "Stop being a POES"
OK IT'S " BOLD AND BEAUTIFUL " WITH A WILL ALSO COMMUNITY OF PROPERTY " THEN BOSS LADY TACKLEWHO SHE DONT LIKE MUST GO
The ANC... Cyril has a simple decision to make.. Who is a better partner to manage / collaborate with, to ensure their survival.. DA vs EFF vs MKP..
Keep pushing that man 😂😂😂we are awake now 😂😂😂
Weve bn in phalapha, and cool on zizi kodwa. We r cool on iec rig 😂so obvious we will be cool on GNU🎉
Corrupt ANC playing with the future of mzantsi...
People please note this....
Hayi Gqr.iyicacisile qha ngxaki someone else was supposed to organize a GNU not a weak, useless and defeated Ramaphosa who has run the ANC to the ground. May be religious groups should have led this thing.
On the cool heads we have had them for 40 years and that has lead us nowhere, ngoku we have to ruffle each other up, be robust, combative etc because the ship is sinking and Ramaphosa and his ANC have no clue.
Le yoba there are other members to form a coalition with I would have said go to them, MK ne Eff en PA bizobaqhawula umqala hayi le nqala😅
It look like ramaphoza have private talks with the da that the others not know about
Without the EFF and MKP in the GNU, ANC should have 57% (40/72) = 17 of the 30 ministries and the DA should have 31% (22/72) = 9. But if you do ANC maths, younwont understand that. Sonyou jeed to have 9 MPs for wvery ministry. So those Mickey Mouse parties with one or two MPs, well...
Clever blacks are still begging ramaphosa to give racist helen what she demands.
Our president needs to accept Mashatile as the deputy president Oosthuizen undermines Blacks Hellen Zille is already bullying the ANC take a stand president or we won't tolerate betrayal
I think grandma Zille is overplaying her hand to the detriment of the country and the DA.
She's asking for less than what the DA's quota entitles them to.
I dont think it is important for DA to tell South Africans about what they did for Ramaphosa ,whatever they did was between them and him. because Ramaphosa does not own the country. Any thing they did for him is corruption.
BROAD DAYLIGHT SIGNED A MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE WITHOUT ANYONE'S KNOWLEDGE NOW IT'S DRAMA SERIES GOD HELP SOUTH AFRICA 🙏 🇿🇦
once the DA goes iEFF neMK zizothi sadla!!!😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
He's not a president of ANC only, but a South Africa president elected.
and he was allowed to keep his seat !!
Give zile to lead n be given John tge president.
John is young n better than ramaphosa out anc out
A government of ANC/MK without Cyril seems more likely at the moment. Cyril is arrogant in his own communication to the DA, just like the DA. Except that the DA thought they had a deal and is now being betrayed by the ANC. The DA should leave and not stay as window dressing.
Playing to the gallery 😂...we know the game...their policies don't differ that much...the perception that it does is what makes me laugh.
SA is full of leakages😂😅😂
Interesting crisis.mina my interest is that the sellout goes.simple
Mistake made by the ANC was to involve DA in this unity from the beginning
No Sir. Communities warned ANC years back. ANC you can be replaced. They are sweating now.
All DA wants is to prove they can run a critical ministries far better but ANC don't want the country to see that at all.
They must start at cape Town gugulethu @@rabbinick8989
They must start at cape Town gugulethu @@rabbinick8989
@@rabbinick8989They must start at Gugulethu,, stop feeding us DA 78% didn't vote for DA
Nothing about the GNU makes sense including the tricky honeymoon phase they are currently going through.
Anc just cant accept its time is coming to an end and wants to try and claw back.
Rameposa is being tretened by his own people
Oseyidlile udl'icala 😂😂😂
ANC ihamba idlana nemali yabelungu 😂😂. That money has conditions. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
They rig the elections 😂together and now they are fighting kamar 😅😅😂
Zero evidence of vote rigging.
This GNU thing is a fairytale
and what is the alternative ?
Ayidumi oluhlobo xa izohamba
ramaphosa making decisions from behind sealed behind vault doors, he knows there are comrades who learned from the Hani directive.😂
ANC can betray anyone or party, if they betrayed ZUMA.
and Zuma betrayed the whole country in return
It was not correct from the start,for the ANC to pretend that DA is their friend while they were warned by the South Africans that it is dangerous to involve the DA who has been opposing in everything that will benefit the poor.Now the DA is showing the true colours.
Not necessarily so. Majority gave ANC government day light. What happened? Visit any tavern. Fancy cars. Comrades left posts. No one is saying anything. Life is nice to few. Just today,some people don't know what to eat.
Why????
Whats wrong with a Corrupt Free Revote ?????
What makes you think the revote will be corrupt free??😂
Nothing wrong with the first vote.
MK can't provide evidence of corruption.
Nothing new. Get rid of DA now. A racist party could never be an alliance party.Let DA walk
They must voetsek They are failing people of gugulethu because they are racist
How is the DA racist ?
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub the want to do away with affirmative action and BEE what's the motive behind that?
Simple answer because it's benefiting black people