Mad Men- Campbell vs Crane regarding MLK Jr's assassination.
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- Pete Campbell reminding Harry Crane that Dr. Martin Luther King's assassination was a sad, shameful day for us all, and it's not always about the money.
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Pete's gradual becoming a good person while never being less obnoxious or self-aggrandizing was one of the most delightful plot lines of the show.
I’ve never seen someone be able to so accurately describe the reason Pete slowly became one of my favorite characters on the show 😂
Thats funny becsuse especial in this scene Pete is 100% the obnoxious self aggrandizing hypocrit. He uses Harry to feel better about himself and placating Harry as racist does that just fine. He is every bit as dishonest here as he was before
@@listrahtes if you actually watched the show, you'd know you're wrong.
@@Gingenuity the show leaves that open for interpretation. Its obvious nowadays in hollywood if you want someone to be the "bad" guy placate him as racist. Pete was annoyed as hell about other things at that point in life. Marriage, Bob, Mother....etc and they just continued in him using someone to feel better. Peter has the unique quality of feeling honest in all his lies. Just like Tony Soprano in Sopranos.
@@listrahtes Throughout the series Pete is often show to be, at the very least, less racist than his peers.
On a side note I don't think you have the right definition of "placate".
Pete: Wait a second Bert, did you know we are in the presence of a bonafide racist?!
Bert: Well, yes, me.
IKR? Bert is waaay more racist than Harry. Crane only cares about money to the point that he does not even consider the personal toll on other people.
@@shrapnel77 Crane only cares about himself and money. It is weird cos in the beginning I though Pete would be the villain because of the way he acted and that compromising info he found on Don but for some reason the creators went down another path and didn't really use that information at all. Don ended up revealing it anyway. Crane sort of took the role of bad guy but more of a character you can't stand rather than being evil. It was a close race up until the end which character would win the trophy for most despised character, Peggy came really close but I think Harry Crane ultimately wins it.
LOL I thought this too
Novak Delija How the fuck do you not like Peggy
@@kevin-su3lf Come on man Peggy was fckn so annoying. The self-righteous way she acted around children alone is enough to despise her. Then there are all those condescending looks she gave Don as if she was a better person than him. Don't forget her vain attempt to portray herself as some sort of feminist icon yet to the contrary, has this awkward obsession o fit in like the rest of the guys by drinking scotch with a disgusted face like it is being forced down her throat or smoking and coughing profusely. She tries too hard instead of being individual and brave.
my fave Pete lines were when he raised his voice
"IT'S A SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL DAY!" and "NOT GREAT, BOB!"
The king ordered it!!!! 😂
Let's not forget "He'll bells, Trudy!"
"I'm president of the Howdy Doody Circus Army!" wins hands down
"OF THE REPUBLIC OF DRESSES"
My favorite is still: "It's 1968. Surely you're not telling me there's still some international oceanic limbo where murder is smiled upon."
"That man had a wife and four children"
My heart sank when Pete said that line.
Four acknowledged children.
When he was assassinated, he had two living children.
A daughter was still born and a son passed at two days old.
I remember the day, I did not cry when John was shot I was 13 and none of us wanted to be seen as weak.
When Bobby was gunned down, I had seen him speak earlier that day, and yes I wept when it came over the radio he was gone too.
@@dondajulah4168aww, somebody didn’t hug you enough as a child.
sank when
Pete's pocket square is black in mourning, nice touch.
Nice find, I didn't notice it at first.
I noticed it because it looked good but never mad the connection lol. thanks for pointing that tidbit out
Kennedy was murdered because of his lack of engagement into the Vietnam War
Oh that's a nice catch!
Black square virtue signaling before it was cool.
This reminds me of Roger's wedding, when he was singing with a blackface....only Don and Pete looked repulsed by the whole thing.
i don't think they were repulsed by blackface, just at Roger making a fool of himself
Don was embarrassed, Pete's disgust was over the racial element.
Pete was also the most upset when Kennedy died.
Yeah that's true that Pete cared about Kennedy too. That scene where he says he isn't going in to work is another really great scene.
@@denverbritto5606 I think Pete was repulsed by the blackface, since he comes from a generation where minstrel shows were already dated and out of touch. I believe Don is a bit more distant: because he views the whole world from a more objective eye, he sees the writing on the wall and knows that the blackface is foolish.
I use this line all the time lmao
“This cannot be made good, It’s shameful. IT’S A SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL DAY!!!!!”
the delivery was perfect
ITS A SHAMEFUL, SHAMEFUL DAY!!
said Pete the shameful liberal fuck.
bza069 I wasn't under the impression he was liberal. Maybe I dont remember the show very well
THE KING ORDERED IT!
@@nateroma5256 Pete looks and comes off at first like a hard conservative. He is very privileged and his job is saved because of that fact. He is also very demeaning to people below him and to women in general. As the series goes on he is one of the more progressive thinkers in that office. There are many instances throughout the series of his disgust at racial bias. He still demeans Peggy until the very end when he finally admits, "people are going to brag about having worked with you." I would label Pete a moderate Republican. He is most definitely not left or right.
@Lord Farquaad Pete came from Wasp Money, he def. would've been a moderate Republican. He prob. supported JFK b/c he related to him more (plus JFK was moderate who wanted tax cuts).
IN A SECOND BURT
NOT GREAT BOB
I love the complex characters in Mad Men.
I love how Bert strolls into exactly the right position in a stately manner before he intervenes. This show had so many great small character details.
I loved how Cooper was always oblivious to everything that was going on in the office but always there to give his sage, grandfatherly advice.
Pete telling Bert, one of the biggest racists in the company, that they're in the presence of a racist is rich
He got upset when the black secretary was in the reception area.he low key racist
Lady Kayura it sucks cause i liked him😞
Oh grow up. It was 1950 it was bad for business. It did not reflect his own prejudices.
There's a difference between being racist and being right, Bert wanted to move Dawn out of the reception because the clients are/can be racists it's the fucking 60s, if Bert truly was a racist do you really think he would have allowed all those blacks to be hired in the first place? Harry isn't a racist too he is just a greedy asshole, he would've said the same thing if it was his relative. The fact that you call them racist because the person that they treat differently is black is stupid.
@Kahlil Dozier this comment is a great example of not understanding characters or context. @TheVideo Commenter
is correct about almost everything they said. hes right that you cant tell whether harry is racist from this scene, but he almost certainly is given the rest of the show. lets not forget hes a homophobe. bert is likely not racist, but almost certainly has old-fashioned tendencies.
I love this scene. Pete may have a lot of flaws, but when it comes to poetics, he is probably the most intelligent and reflecting person at SCDP. When John F Kennedy was killed, he chose to not go to Margret's wedding because he didn't want to go around and pretend like nothing happened. And here he is so right.
And he is still a piece of shit, shocking, right?
easy for him, a born into riches white guy, to act sympathetic. he has no skin in the game
Passive Aggressive Negotiator Pete was not a Jew. No one in the office was until Ginsberg. They make that quite clear.
@@passiveaggressivenegotiato8087 Pete was a WASP, not a jew, Scottish on his father's side and Dutch on his mother's side
Wonder how he'd react to Malcolm's killing
That moment when you agree with Pete Campbell...
That moment TRUMP won the election. Shove it.
Spanky Bonespurs is about one more stupid tweet away from a conspiracy conviction. Then his inbred supporters can go crawl back into their 19th century bigotry
+pavanatanaya Comments like these are exactly why Trump won and will win again. If you shove away everyone's problems, big or small, justified or not, as 'inbred, racist, bigotry" etc. you'll just make them even more right wing than they were.
Whoopsie DayZ Well, they won an election with 3 million less votes. The odds of that happening twice? Unlikely. Shove them into their hole and let them stew in it. I live in Trump Country. They’re fucking racists.
@@WhoopsieDayZ I don't think it's possible to get any more right wing or racist than responding to empathy for MLK's death with "Trump won, shove it".
Harry absolutely not reading Pete right is brilliant. They’ve known each other a long time but Harry just doesn’t get that Pete’s actually Liberal and, on the biggest things, has humanity. So when Pete says ‘disgusting,’ Harry doesn’t get that Pete’s disgusted with the advertisers. And Pete tries to get Harry to see it by saying ‘at the most basic level, children lost their father and a wife lost her husband.’
Great character moment for both.
it's great writing
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.
But it wasn't Don making the point
But even so, he got details wrong. Kennedy didn't have four children.
Nah, pete was obnoxious sure but he became a decent guy by the end.
He started out as an awful guy but he become more loyal and progressive as it got older.
Harry got worse as a corporate douche.
At this point in the series, Pete wasn't as awful as he was in earlier seasons. He was in the process of redemption at this point. By the end of the series, I actually liked him and was rooting for him.
This show floored me with how much it turned Pete's character around and makes you root for him, it's like a reverse Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, making a total POS into an understandable, likable guy. One of the best/most brilliant character arcs in a show full of them.
Pete is an all time re-watch character. Second time around he's one of my favorites
The character development in MM is unparalleled in TV history and just one of the reasons this program was so superb.
Pete and Harry changed places around this time. Pete developed humanity and started on a road to redemption in his personal life, Harry got sucked into becoming a corporate asshole.
Harry was always an incompetent asshole lol
I disagree with the incompetent adjective. “Harry and his computer “ were arguably the most valued part of the business at the end of the show. He was the creator of the television department early on. He represents the “non-creative” side of advertising which is important. The asshole part I agree with though he seemed more decent in the first couple seasons.
@@mjacobs5041 Interesting take! You're right, he did have an eye for the future of advertising and kind of made his own job. He could have been left behind like a lot of the others early on. Let us agree he was incompetent on the people side of things. Which isn't always a problem when dealing with Hollywood, in my very limited experience living out here.
@@mjacobs5041 And I agree on the arc. He was just one of the guys, and an okay one at that to start. That sure changed.
Plus, he turned into a prototype of Weinstein when he got to Hollywood... even pressuring Don's ex wife.
Pete: Wait a second Bert, did you know we are in the presence of a bonafide racist?!
Bert: Well of course I know him... he's me
I don't think Bert was genuinely racist. He grew up with some racist ideas, sure, but his genuine belief in the idea of the "self-made-man" would suggest that anyone who could raise themselves above their position was worthy of respect.
The redemption of Pete Campbell.
Wrong....Pete wasn't redeemed until he made peace with Don Draper.
"That man had a wife and four children." You never think of who icons leave behind when we lose them.
Not only that. Think of all the underage mistresses. They’re people too, you know.
Man.. this show and it’s complex characters. I keep wanting to hate Pete, but the show keeps pushing you back and forth with his ugly and his redeeming sides. He’s so awful sometimes but then sometimes he’s the voice of reason and empathy.
He's human, that's what makes these characters so great. They are never completely good or bad, but a mix of both.Pete's a good person in some ways but awful in others. So is Don, Peggy, Joan, Rodger, and everyone else.
@Mr Spoon Yeah, people tend to forget what he did for Paul. He also helped Don keep his job, who would have been thrown out by Cutler.
@Mr Spoon Wow, I completely forgot about that. My opinion of Harry was solidified with his "casting couch" scene with Megan, but I need to go back and rewatch.
He was consistently ahead of Don and Co. on progressive issues. JFK vs. Nixon, MLK, Muhammad Ali, marketing to black consumers.
Like all of us. Welcome to humanity, but I know what u mean
“Only because it’s costing you, you pig!” is one of my favourite Pete lines
As a six-year old I was home from school, maybe sick that day, and saw part of Dr. King's funeral and I still remember Coretta King's face in close-up. No one explained to me what was going on. When Robert Kennedy was shot, the next morning my grandfather walked into the kitchen and said to my mother, "Patsy, Kennedy's been shot". She gasped in horror. I was sitting there eating cereal but no one talked to me about the things going on. We watched lots of TV and there was lots of violence. Sad to say but real and fictional violence was part of the background sound of my childhood. No one talked to me about Viet Nam. It was this fighting going and I had no understanding of why. It was just happening and was normal.
@Àdy you can do better than that
@Àdy Prick
@Àdy
OK Cringe Lord. 🤦🏿♂️
I sometimes wonder if your generation had been too desensitized to violence and assassinations. Millennials had 9/11 but mostly a peaceful 80s and 90s. I think Gen Z grew up with constant mass shootings and two wars, but nothing compared to presidents and civil rights activist being shot down in cold blood. I wonder if seeing all that changes a person even if you didnt have a good understanding of what was going on.
@@TheNegativeDude You present some interesting ideas. I don't know how common my experience was but much of the television I watched was TV series such as "Combat" and "12 O'Clock High" which dealt with World War II. LOTS of entertainment in my growing up years was about that particular war. I remember seeing TV coverage of Viet Nam and my brother and I saying, "I hope the Germans lose". It wasn't until I was in the 7th grade that I clearly understood we were not fighting Germany. I think that was because of not being specifically told and also because I just wasn't that interested in the details of the violent world I was in. War, plane crashes, starvation, oil spills...just part of the background noise. I'm thankful I became much more aware of and involved in the world.
for all his many faults, Pete was arguably one of the most progressive people at the firm when it came to race
What does progressive even mean. Are you suggesting that the republican party that voted through the civil rights act were progressive?
@@bighands69 Voting in the civil rights act was progressive. Progressive acts are not always done by progressive people. But American politics have a complicated history.
@@insernamehereflynn
Are you going to claim everything is progressive that you like. You are just trying to rewrite history. The democratic party was all about racism and then became all about socialism.
I bet in 50 years time you will make some other claim and pretend history did not happen.
bighand69 lol I’m not American. It’s not about what i like and dislike, don’t be such a snowflake. Both parties were built on a racist political system, and it’s taken many progressive changes to reduce that. You tried to make it about republicans being progressive and when I said they weren’t you brought in democrats.... you’re arguing with yourself bud
LordMacKarl I didn’t say built on slavery. I said built on racism. Africans didn’t come out of slavery into equality. You can’t point to some progressive achievements and ignore the breadth of racism that occurred under both parties.
Say what you will about Pete, but he was the least racist guy, even in the first season
Bert doesn't want to see Pete get involved in another office boxing match.
Lowkey never liked Crane and when he tried to sleep with Megan became my most hated character
Some things never change.
Anyone else notice that in both the jfk and mlk assassination episodes, Pete and Harry have a one on one conversation
Yes indeed.
If I recall correctly, Pete is talking with Trudy a bit later on in that episode and refers to Crane worrying about ad revenue in the wake of JFK’s assassination.
This reminds me of how many of the partners in SDCP carry on immediately with business in the wake of fellow partners having heart attacks and dying.
Crane response to these events isn’t so unique in that respect.
Pete Campbell's finest moment
very relevant these days
Honestly, it’s odd to say this- but Pete Campbell for the win
It's a very shameful day, for the wife and kids and the victim... and the economy.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the profit?
Pete:Bert, did you know we are in the presence of a bone fide racist?
Bert: well of course I know him, he is me!
One thing I noticed was as the show progressed Pete became more likeable, and Harry less.
So virtue signaling and accusing others of being "racist" because they care about business makes one more "likeable"? I think not pal.
@@94champs I think Pete was genuinely pissed off at Harry's racism. Also, Pete became more and more funny and genuine and caring but Harry became more annoying and more of a suck up
@@94champsGod you freaks are so brain broken you're doing this shit under clips of Mad Men. Get some professional help or get off the internet
Weird. Almost as though the scene was shot inside a television set.
Says so much. Matthew Weiner was a true visionary.
Just like the Apollo 11 coverage.
I think Pete is probably the only human in this entire Fcking show.
I hate when in a moment of a big conflict someone makes the opponents "shake hands" and "reconcile". Those are great issues, it's people's concience, actions. The conflict is real and "shaking hands" in such a moment is breaking one's will. Reconciliation is to be looked for and truly indispensible in long term, apologising and forgiving are very important, but only once we're ready for that in our conscience. When we decide that it's good despite our feelings about it. Otherwise it's just, as I say, breaking one's will. And it doesn't mend that well. Those here are adults, but when it's done to youngsters, that's worse.
That's why I liked Pete's response so much
That's a really insightful analysis on human psychology concerning the topic of conflict.
How colourful were their offices? Brilliant....
That's 1968 for you
"That's the latest thing, isn't it?! Everybody's a racist!" If only Crane knew...
I wonder which brand of television MLK had?
admiral
Sounds like something from 2022
Pete Campbell is the king of contempt. 👑
I hate it when it is recorded by phone!
Maturity is understanding that Harry was in the right here
1:02 oh how that’s came back around.
Nice TV dude.
This is a great scene
One of Pete Campbell’s finest moments. Bravo
"That's the latest thing isn't it?! Everybody's a racist!"
Remember this quote the next time someone today says PC culture has gone too far. People uncomfortable with social progress will always talk about how its the world's fault, not theirs
@VV"you denounce racism? You creep!" Imagine outing yourself like this. I love how you also imply that the past wasn't extremely racist by calling all those accusations false. I'm gonna guess your ideal America was somewhere in Jim Crow
@VV I love getting told by some dumb fuck bumpkin who never asked a question in his life that I need to do more learning, what with my degree
@VV aw hey, what happened? A minute ago, I was uneducated. Now I'm an elitist snob with no morals because I...
[Checks notes]
Said racists are dumbfuck bumpkins. Nice attempt at the high road fucker, but you forgot the part where you were defending historical racism. I believe this right here is what your people call "virtue signaling"
@VV I love the sign off and the "we're done here". Do you feel like you've directed the conversation? Do you feel in control? I bet not.
Here's the thing, fuckstick: I'm no elitist, it'd be really weird to want to eliminate socioeconomic class and also be an elitist. I do look down on people who feel that what they know gives them a right to act like a condescending douche, or those who use power over others. To them, yes, I will absolutely be an asshole. I will totally rustle their jimmies, trigger them, and hurt their feelings. It is PISS EASY and SO DAMN FUN offending conservative basement dwellers
@VV Double done. We're super done. Double-secret probation done! Your feelings aren't hurt at ALL. You're totally in controlled of the conversation, especially when you sound like the announcer to a 2D fighting game. Redirected.
There are moments when righteousness is displayed with justifiable anger by the least likely among us. When that happens the world will stop and take notice. This is one of those times. Bravo Mr. Campbell, bravo!
Shamefur shamefur dispray!
Pete was wyling with the truth
I think people miss the point of this. No one in Mad Men is a very good person. They have goodness in them and shittiness in them. Pete's humanity I think comes from the initial realisation that he would sell anything to anyone because you can succeed in advertising better by noticing untapped markets. His initial way of identifying with african americans is because he sees them as good for a pay out as anyone else. It's not a base level of humanity. But I think because he realises there is that common theme, his way of thinking progresses to seeing them as people who should have the same rights as everyone else. So he's still a womanising shit. He's just a womanising shit who happens to believe in civil rights.
Funfact/spurious aside: According to the FBI that description fits MLK.
@@eternity8811The FBI are liars.
One of the only times I'm on Harry's side.
Put this conversation in 2020 and it has the same relevance. How sad
Not the same scene. Much has changed. (Just not enough.)
@@koho The only things that's changed is we have small cameras we can make phone calls with now
Lol, Pete shushing his goddamn boss.
They are both partners at the firm. At this point in the story they are about equal in rank.
Pete so thoroughly pwns Crane in this scene, its simply gorgeous
He owns nothing. Harry owned him when he said the latest thing was everybody was a racist, which applies today more than ever. Pete owned Harry about as much as Hillary owned Trump. Now go take a shower you liberal douchebag.
Tie Domi , troll
Brian Leetch are you dumb? It proves the opposite point. Harry made this comment when there were literal segregationists in the senate, governors office, and congress. His inability to see racism when it's that explicit speaks to the willful ignorance of people such as yourself. It's amazing that you walked away with the opposite interpretation.
@@amazinmets8439 I'm gonna keep this simple for you - you're a fucking idiot
Loved this Pete moment
Well most people didn't even go to Rogers daughter's wedding either because JFK was shot and that wasn't "racist" that's because he was a prominent leader too not because he had a wife and kids. I remember working retail in Canada on 9/11 and sales were slow even we were sad and planes were rerouted to Toronto. It's not good to be completely desensitized to human tragedy oh well let's watch hockey?
To me, Pete's over the top reaction just looks like he's overcompensating for his own racism.
Aren't we all? The white ones, I mean.
@@willmercury Yeah because black people aren't racists. Tell that to the asian community.
People videoing tv series’s and posting them on CZcams are just numbskulls..
i loved bert
Harry was always alittle weasel..
I knew Pete is a good guy :) He may be a douch and insecure sometimes but in the end of the day a good man. Everyone is flawed noone is perfect.
Does anyone have an actual copy.
Everybody Is racist
…. and secretly gay.
Man alive. You could take this scene and easily use it as the basis of a 5000 word illustrative essay on America, history, business, race, power, sociology, working relationships ....
Even though Campbell is in the right here, he still got the face that everyone wants to take a swing at lol, he could be reading aloud the midnight prayer or lecturing on theoretical physics, the reaction would still be the same!
Because like certain people on Twitter, he takes things too far to the extreme in his opinions.
The writers really did a good job with character duality on this show. Pete Campbell was a sexist entitled douche bag who would throw you under the bus for a promotion at any given second, but was very anti-racist and open minded for the time (1960s) and don draper who was not racist at all, and was the first one to express his approval for hiring blacks at the office, but he treated his wife like shit, talked down on people and was a womanizing alcoholic sex addict at times living double lives. And also Bertram cooper who was a seemingly sweet old man who believed in giving others second chances, and encouraging his employees, but in reality was VERY racist. Nothing was what it seemed on madmen! Awesome writing!! ✍️
Personally I find Bert to be an abhorrently amoral being.
@@eternity8811 why?
@@kidkully everything he does is calculated, rational, dominant and cold. He's an Ayn Rand reader, recommends her book to others: and her attitudes are woven all through his persona.
The way he whistled "give a dog a bone" in the final seconds of the scene where he, Don, and Roger were discussing Pete Campbell's possible dismissal, is to me a perfect example of his view of others. As is his dig at Harry Crane: "probably because it's none of their business" having just asked Harry what he thought of that painting.
For anyone that think Pete is posturing here. Go back and watch the blackface episode and look at Pete's reaction. It's on screen for 3 seconds and it sums him up in contrast to his peers. Pete has a lot of flaws but his views on black folks are the least of them.
Pete had his issues and was a terrible husband, but he had a good soul
Honestly, Don was worse, unless Pete was getting Trudy a modelling gig then cancelling it when she is having too much fun, or trying to dismantle someones acting career because he doesn't like to be alone or even lying about his name and backstory after going AWOL in Korea potentially putting his family in legal danger with the federal government.
@@wastedproductions45 lol Don was the worse husband for sure. But he didn't blow Betty's modeling gig. He refused the job offer from McCann so they fired her
It felt like he was overacting but hes one of the best actors in the show. I love his return as Scarecrow!!!
I think for me, Pete was always in heart a good person. He always cared for civil rights and what not. I think he started off as obnoxious and kind of a douche because of his prep school life before hand and he didnt know how to integrate into everyday society. He always was ambitious but he didnt know how to get people into actually liking him. Even his own marriage he felt was very superficial and its until the end where SPOILERSSSSS!!!!!!
Where he fell in love with his wife all over again, fell in love with his child, built a relationship that wasnt superficial and opted to live a more modest lifestyle in Wichita and escape the busy materialistic lifestyle of New York City.
The best thing Campbell ever said and did
That's the latest thing isn't it. Everyone's a racist!
Lots of clutter behind the TV
I think this scene is where I began to like Pete.
1:02 could have easily fit in the zeitgeist of 2018
Every now and then, Pete did the right thing.
“Everybody’s a racist”; sound familiar?
Nice TV
Pete's last remark..proved the point. He was a Father with four children.
SO
MUCH
ACTING
Pete Campbell’s finest moment
This scene is fitting with the times following the death of George Floyd.
Only George Floyd wasn't a great man.
@@STARSILVER117 Not only was he not a great man, he was a scumbag drug addict who had a history of drug abuse that took a toll on his already weak heart. I have zero idea as to how blm picks some of the shittiest people to be their martyrs.
Agreed that Floyd was lacking, repulsive even, but what happened to him was unacceptable. Life is complicated.
Harry always was a worm. I wish they dropped him instead of Paul Kinsey.
I'm surprised Pete is concerned about racism. Doesn't seem the type.
Crane looks like a human sofa.
Happy to know that I am not the only one who thinks this
Pete’s High Horse has legs made out of toothpicks but by God did that horse ride today.
Every single man in this show was represented at some point as a hypocrite , racist and misogynistic pig. Still a great show though.
Ah yes, the good old days. But you know, the same could be said for the women of this show. But that’s what was great about this show, every single character was flawed. That makes for much more interesting storytelling.
u should turn the motion blur off haha
It's like Porky Pig vs Donald Duck
The moment I liked Pete
Old Pete was right for once
Harry basically becomes harvey weinstein by the end of the show
Pete Campbell... the original virtue signaling social justice warrior