You got a sub from me. I like stuff you do and a chill way you do that. I am looking forward to buy the same laptop and your channel will be helpful for sure!
it's a good idea while the heat sink's off to remove the fans and blow out the vents at the back of the fans. These are very narrow vents on this machine and can easily become completely clogged with dust
Looks like I’m on the same boat as you were. Have the same laptop while upgraded the RAM, and recently the heatsink for cpu is kinda blocked due to dust, along with bad preapplied thermal paste . Going to repaste and clear the vents tomorrow, wish me luck 😞
i had to do the same to my OMEN 15 with i7-10750H, kept hitting 100'C when gaming.. while the GPU stayed at 70'C max.. (RTX 2060).. I have to run it with turbo set to 3.6Ghz... i never run it at full clock, even after re-paste. because it likes to hang at around 85-92'C still. which isnt needed when i get same performance at 3.6Ghz and temps around 60-84 Max when gaming (depends on game). i think the issue is the Fans, HP's system takes far too long to respond to Thermals.. my CPU would hit 100'C for at least 15 seconds before the fans even started spooling and getting to fast speeds. and the HP Omen Gaming hub (control panel) CPU temps take way too long to update that the CPU Thermal Throttles down to 80'C odd and then the Omen command centre reads that temp and doesn't re-act so the Temps go back to 100'C until it thermal throttles again, over and over and over.
@SASenglish Yes. Exactly! It's not a lack of hardware, but rather a poor optimization of the fan control and temperature reading speed, as you said. Saw the same thing on my unit. A bios update should be able to fix that, but I don't know when or if they'll release one.
@@nighteye5253 yeah and their tech support is poor at best. I had one remote login and see the temps.. I had Intel control panel reading the temps and HW monitor from CPUId.. and you know what the guy did.. he said I cannot use "third party programs" to monitor temps and he kept opening the Omen command centre and circling the cursor around the cpu temp which read 85'C while in Intel program showed constant 100'C.. obviously the guy can't understand their own program is showing false readings and Intel software is not 3rd party... its 1st party. Just because HP assembled the device does not make the manufacturer of the chipset 3rd party.....
@SASenglish The refresh rate of the temperature reading of the gaming hub is ridiculously low. I don't know how they think it's in any way reliable. But the problem with customer service is that they have a set of instructions to follow, and if they make a mistake outside of what they are meant to cover, the fault falls on them. So I understand why they do it, but damn it's annoying.
Try replacing the thermal paste with Arctic MX4 undervolt and try a blower cooler. They are about 60 bucks. You will see a nice drop in temps. Also I suggest using a datavac blower for dust removal.
@@Gramps99 its done this since the laptop was 2 days old... so its not dust.. I have re-pasted twice using MX-4 and running an undervolt of -0.075v for a while now. I recently got a razer chroma laptop stand. Which allows the fans to get a lot of air intake which has helped too. I still don't run it at full clock speed because it's just not needed anyway.
Hi Nighteye! Lovely videos as I got the same issues. My model is 4800h and 2060. I hope you can help with few issues it would be of great aid. My cpu on Aida64 with the basic preset on stress testing hits 100c on average while max being 105. Should I consider repasting? it was run on max fan and performance mode. I saw Jarrod review and his only hit 85c average. I have also asked some forums and they said their laptop is similar so I'm getting mixed opinions so what should I do?
@Ah Jun Hi! In my humble opinion, whenever the CPU reaches a sustained temperature of above 100, that is a matter of worry. (Not only for temperatures, but also because it throttles, therefore getting you lower performance) While it's true that CPU are designed to be able to run a little hotter without breaking down, it is no reason to let it do so. (if you drive a normal car, it's like saying you can use first gear and rev at 6000 engine revs per minute for the whole journey. You can do it, sort of, but you are just putting unnecessary stress on the engine). As you said, reliable sources such as Jarrod's tech and others have shown this laptop to have a good thermal solution. In my own testing, that is true. However, in order to achieve that, I had to repaste. I had temperatures similar to yours, and that's what prompted me to do it. I would recommend using a different paste than mine, as I don't think having to repaste every 4 months is ideal. I don't mind doing it, but that's because I already bought it 😂.
@Ah Jun I have only ever tried the MX4 Arctic, so not much personal experience here. However, Bob of all trades is really good at making these kind of recommendations. You can check the description section of this video: czcams.com/video/R5ZmlLrMDjA/video.html
I have an omen 17 an124nv with an I7 8750H and its running 100c when its runs without any tweaks made to the cpu and my gpu runs at 70c most of the time should I re paste the thermal paste? what thermal paste do you recommend?
@GeorgegamingXD Hi. The i7 8750H is designed to run at a max temp of 100 C, but it will throttle at that point, so you are not getting your full performance. Repasting helps, but if you've had the laptop for a while, then another cause could be dust. It builds up in the exhaust heat sink, which prevents air from being blown out. You can test this, by setting the fans to max speed and using a soft cloth (or even toilet paper like in one of my other videos XD) to see how much it gets pushed by each exhaust. If the paper barely moves, you know something is choking the exhaust. As for repaste, I don't have much experience with thermal paste as I have only ever used the MX4 Arctic in the video. You can follow this link for a video I recommend on thermal paste: czcams.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/video.html Bob of all trades is a great channel that focuses on laptops. Bob also has a whole video about the 8750H here: czcams.com/video/yNt9L3BWOFo/video.html
Hey man, thanks for sharing this! I'm having the same issue, but will repasting void the warranty? I want to repaste it myself since the service center sucks here.
@Davien D I believe it's only some units that have this problem. The thermal system of the laptop itself is excellent. (I assume you have the omen 15). Unfortunately I cheaped out on the paste when I repasted 4 months ago (you can watch that video if you'd like), so didn't last as long as one would normally expect. Also, I think the paste pumped out a bit, so that's something you may wanna avoid. For reference I used the MX4 Artic. Some people find it fine, but I am not too happy with it. (Will be using it until it runs out though 😂) At the end of the day, you're very likely to be fine.
@@nighteye5253 well here i am 4 months later.. its hot sometimes but not bad ...omen 15 nvidia rtx 2060 the fans are inconsistent but effective...the noise omg...but its about time for a cleaning and the thermal paste you mentioned...the cpu gets hot for nothing! but i still love this purchase...
@Faraz I have not tried any new thermal paste, but I've had a go at graphite pads. Video will come out eventually, but in short, it's not a good solution. The thermal grizzly Kryonaut is quite a good paste you can look at if you're interested in some high performance paste. However, given that it's a four core CPU, you might find that it has dimishing returns the higher up in paste quality you go. At the end of the day, the difference in temperature between the best and worst paste is about 5C, which is ok if you've got enough thermal overhead. The Mx 4 arctic actually has some good performance, but for me it doesn't last very long. But I don't mind repasting more often, as at this point I've done it enough times to take me just a few minutes.
Sell it, omen is sht totally, I have omen 15 maybe 2 years now and giving me a lot of troubles with battery ofc heating like stove, my old laptop it's more than 7 years and I never had any problems till now still working, DON'T BUY OMEN SAVE YOUR MONEY
Could you do one where you also clean teh dust out of the fans and vents? I'm not sure how much it affects thermals (if there's a little dust but not like blocking half the vent or anything) Also where tf can I get canned air in India??
@Nachiket Dandegaonkar I will put that on my to do list. But just as a suggestion, if you do use an air duster can, make sure to keep the fans at rest by blocking them with your finger (this is to prevent premature wear and tear, as the air from the can would make them spin too fast) when you open up the back of the laptop. A small amount of dust should not be a concern, although it's always better not to have any. Thing is, dust is a poor thermal conductor, so it tends to trap heat. If the exhaust are covered, then yes, it is a matter of concern. You can find the air duster cans on Amazon.
@Sebastián Díaz It depends on the ambient temperature, wattage pulled, and how long you have been using the machine for. At the moment, I keep my laptop with CPU boost enabled and battery mode on better performance (as opposed to best performance, since it boosts clock all the time, which is not necessary), with maximum processor state set to 100 (if you don't know what this is, don't worry about it, it's set to this by default). So, when using Firefox (I have moved on from chrome), with ambient temperature of about 20C, the CPU pulls about 10W, and the temperature goes up to 60, with fans spinning. But it's not loud, unless you are in a very quite room, in which case you can definitely hear it. However, when the CPU boost is disabled, the temperature doesn't go beyond 55, with fans off, mostly. You must however understand that heat builds up, slowly, and at some point the fans will come on. It's more of an ON and OFF cycle. If the ambient temperature is cooler, that just meant that the fans will remain off longer before starting. For you, I suggest looking at how much wattage the CPU is pulling when using Chrome, and looking at the temperature. Fans will usually come on beyond 65C in default mode. For a quieter experience, I suggest disabling the boost, since you don't need the full power to browse the web or watch videos. For the lowest possible temperature, you can play around with maximum processor states. I have a video about that. This will further reduce the max clock speed on the CPU, even below the base clock from disabling the boost. As a trade-off, the computer will start the fans at a lower temperature 😂, like 55 C, but at least you won't be hitting that as easily.
@Abbishek Rajh Usually yes. Some laptops have seals over some screws to check for any tampering. Some manufacturers do allow repasting, but you have to ask them directly to make sure.
I'm actually planning on buying this laptop but with GTX 1650Ti for college work and mild gaming, is this laptop a good choice?? Do I still need to change the thermal paste everytime? Also, would you recommend any other laptop in the same price with the same specs, it for the better thermal performance??
@Ender Man The 1650Ti is fine for 1080p medium settings graphics. As for the CPU, I assume you'll be looking at the Ryzen 5 or 7. Both of those give you very good performance, and depending on your usage, the cheaper Ryzen 5 could even be a better choice thermally (if you can make use of the extra cores, the Ryzen 7 is clearly a better choice). The intel I7 is also ok, but not the i5 if that's an option. (I'm saying that because there are currently laptops with intel 4 cores with 3060 graphics around the corner, so you'd better wait for those if you value graphical performance more than CPU performance) As for the thermal paste change, it will depend on your usage case. My unit had thermal issues out of the box, but this is not the case for your average 2020 omen models. Thermal paste change would be needed only when you're no longer happy with the thermal performance. (You shouldn't need it for the first year of usage, provided you have a normal unit, unless you really stress the machine thermally). As for the price, the Acer nitro 7 is the best bang for your money if you want a 1650ti with Ryzen 5. It's cheaper than the omen with the same specs (in the UK at least), and often comes with some nice bundles on Amazon. You will however be sacrificing on the screen quality (67% of sRGB Vs 99% on the omen with 144 Hz refresh rate) and the build does look more gamery with the red accents. Another good laptop is the legion 5, in which case you do not compromise on much other than personal choice on build style. I would actually say that the legion performs marginally better in CPU (due to increased power output, but this can be matched using Ryzen controller) and GPU (because it has a MUX switch, unlike the omen and the Acer). Also, unless you play FPS games, your frame rate will be closer to 60 FPS when gaming with AAA titles in low to medium settings, so choosing a 60 Hz panel is not a bad idea. You do usually lose on colour accuracy and overall brightness, so better check those before purchase. (Usually, 300 nits of brightness is good enough for outdoor usage. Any lower, and you may struggle a bit, but it's not the end of the world). Thermals is perfectly fine on the Ryzen 5, and when paired with a 1650ti, your overall power draw means that it going to run fairly cool. I could tell you to wait for the next gen Ryzen laptops, but who knows when those will be out and when you'll even be able to get your hands on them before the bots do.
@@nighteye5253 ty for the reply. I'm planning on going with Ryzen 7 and I don't really want RTX GPUs cuz they consume energy like crazy and the GTX is getting me the right amount of battery as I need, and ig imma just go for it. Its the most ideal laptop I can find which meets all my required criteria :D
Hi, I need a little help. I bought the HP Omen 15 couple of weeks ago. It has a 500 GB SSD installed and has another m.2 slot free. I have partitioned that drive into similar sized disks ~(160 gigs) C, D and E... I was thinking of additional storage to the laptop but I'm confused about how I should do it. I have two questions regarding it: 1) Today I read that it isn't advisable to partition SSDs and that Windows C drive should be kept in a separate SSD drive for optimal performance. Is there any truth in that? Should I delete the partitions I created ? 2) If I am going to add storage, should I add a 256 GB just for the C drive (this is in relation to what I said in Q1) or should I wait and get a 500 GB few months later ?(if there's no truth in partitioning leading to issues) Before I got this laptop, I had the same desktop for almost 10 years. In that one, I had Windows installed on a 320 GB HDD with no separate partitions and I added 2TBs of HDD storage for media and other stuff few years later. I know the more storage, the better it is. But I'm very very confused. This device cost a good sum of money and I want to do what's best for it. If I get It would be of great help if anyone could please advise me on how I should do it. Thanks, Ab
@A W Hi. So, what you need to know is that both SSD and HDD require a certain amount of memory to work properly. In this comment, I will refer to this memory as Memory Alpha (just because I can). To understand why, we look at what the memory is made of. For ssd, without going into the jargon, you have these blocks of memory that retain their property even after electric current is removed. (unlike RAM, which is why we call it volatile memory). This allows them to "remember". Due to the property of the system, it is easier to write on empty blocks rather than rewrite on blocks that have data already stored in them. When we delete blocks, once again due to how the system works, we have to delete many blocks at once. Say for example you update a file, which was saved in a group of memory blocks. The system copies said group of blocks into an empty group of blocks, Memory Alpha, then deletes the group of block that has just been copied, and only then copies the group of blocks from Memeory Alpha back onto the now empty group of blocks. Then Memory Alpha gets emptied. This seems a rather lengthy process, but it is faster than rewriting over full blocks. So here come partitions. From what I understand, each partition requires this Memory Alpha in order to work. The more partitions you create, the more number of Memory Alpha you need to accommodate for that, so you are more likely to fill these faster, as you now have a little less memory to work with. So, unless you have large memory, I would not advise creating partitions. However, you said that your windows is saved on the 500 GB ssd which comes with the laptop. Windows needs a few GB to work normally, something like 15-20 GB of Memory Alpha. (Don't quote me on that though) So, if your windows os weighs say 80 GB, then it is advised to leave a partition for Windows of about 100 GB. So, you understand that if you want to create another partition, it too needs its separate Memory Alpha. Maybe not as much, but it will need some. Now, there is nothing bad about using the Windows C partition for your personal files. Most people go by using their single ssd in their laptops, and move what they need to an external memory when they see that the ssd is getting full. So, in conclusion, if you want to have partitions, that's fine. But note that each partition will require some empty space. Do not fill the partitions to their limit, as this will limit their ability to work until there is enough Memory Alpha again, which you achieve by clearing out memory, either deleting or moving elsewhere. If it was up to me, I would keep the windows partition where it is, and add another ssd later on when I feel like the primary one is not enough for my needs. For now, I use an external HDD, which is slow, but I don't often have to move files, so it doesn't bother me. Ultimately, it does depend on your work flow. For more information on how ssd work, you can read this article, which I find pretty comprehensive. www.extremetech.com/extreme/210492-extremetech-explains-how-do-ssds-work
@@nighteye5253 @Night Eye thanks for your reply. I guess I'll stick to two partitions for now then. I like keeping partitions because it allows me to organise my files my way even though everyone says it's inefficient. Do you have any recommendations for value for money good m.2 SSDs that I can get few months later when I'm needing space ?
@A W The most important thing is that if it works for you, then that's how it should be. Your work flow dictates how you use your laptop. People such as myself can only try to make suggestions based on our personal experience. Having said that, I have not looked into buying SSDs yet, so not too sure what to do in that regard. The best I can do is include this link to Jarrod's upgrade video. czcams.com/video/927IDANe394/video.html
What I've noticed is that ryzen processors don't directly give out the core temperature sensor for reading. You're most probably reading the Tctl/tdie temperature. Open hwinfo64. And measure core temperature.
@Jayesh R You are correct. Open hardware monitor shows the tctl/tdie temperature. Hwinfo64 shows the CPU Core and CPU soc in addition to that. (APU GFX temperature is not really relevant here). Both of those are consistently lower than the Tctl unless pushed to higher temperatures than idle. At idle, core temp is 10 degrees lower than tclt, while CPU soc is an additional 5 degrees lower. At load, Tctl and core are the same but SOC is 20 degrees lower than both.
i had seen your other vid on disabling turbo boost through power plan settings but for some reason i cant find the option on my hp omen 15. help would be appreciated
@Aakash Sai Unnam If you enabled it before and had a windows update, you have to do it again. You'll find a link to the video in the description section of either video to show you how.
@Aakash Sai Unnam You don't have to go back to the previous windows version for this to work. But if you have other reasons to do so, you can do so by looking for recovery in your windows settings.
@@aakashsaiunnam1065 you don't have to revert back windows. Also, the setting may be different on different models of the hp omen. Mine just says "processor state" and then divides the processor by "maximum" and "minimum." Those states are presented in percentages. If you have something similar just click on "maximum processor state" and lower the percentage from 100 to 99. That should disable boost
@Sumita Khasnabis If you are referring to the legion 5, then the thermals will in all likelihood be under control given the power rating for both CPU and GPU. One thing to keep in mind when considering thermals is the ambient temperature. If you use the laptop in a warmer environment, then expect it to get warmer accordingly. If you live in a colder environment, then you've got nothing to worry about on the temperature front, provided there are no anomalies.
I'll be getting a Omen Laptop with an AMD and I'm already thinking on applying liquid thermal. The new Asus all have it and the temperature is amazing even thought the chassis is thin which means that the Omen should improve between a 7-15 % in the temperature department. The new 5800H does get hot.
just got my Omen yesterday, you said yours had thermal issues out of the box.. how do i know mine has it too? so far when on idle my temp is around 45-ish to low 60s and when gaming (division 2 so far) it ranges from 78 to low 90s. i dont use any air conditioners in my room and i live around tropical climate. is it normal that it reached that temp?
@Brian Hazell Yup, that's perfectly fine. You can reduce the temps even further if you put it in performance mode when gaming, as it increases fans speed, at the cost of increased noise. If you were gaming in default mode, those temps are perfectly fine.
@@nighteye5253 just now i turned off the turbo boost and im arround 60 to near 70C while playing and having several apps going? i mean its just surprising on the difference it made however, is it fine though? will this have an impact in longevity?
@@lettucelad Disabling the boost means that you are not pushing the CPU as much, so you get less performance out of it. In games, this translates the lower fps (depending on the game. Some games are more GPU bound, so CPU performance doesn't have that much of an effect). It's a good thing to have when you don't need its full power such as when you are not gaming. As for the the longevity, if anything, you are extending the life of your CPU, because you are not stressing it and it's experiencing less heat. However, this should not be a concern. You are far more likely to change your laptop sooner than any CPU will fail due to usage. They last a very long time.
@Muhammad Daffa If they have the same amount of ram as well, then I would go for the rtx 2060 omen. If you can't wait to get 3000 series GPU (or the new cheaper upcoming Radeon ones), then 2060 is more future proof with ray tracing and dlss. It also has 20 W higher TDP than the 1660ti as far as I know. Only thing you lose out on is MUX switch. But the performance boost from that doesn't compare with the performance boost from 1660ti to 2060. Also, for the omen, hdmi connects directly to the Nvidia GPU, so the lack of mux switch is not really that bad. CPU performance can be matched for both using software such as Ryzen controller of that's something you want.
@VISHWA MARTUR It's just my unit that has had this thermal issue. I've looked at why in my first video. Generally speaking, Ryzen runs cooler. The i7 is still a great CPU though, definitely better in single core performance.
Hi, is it possible to discuss some thoughts I have about your laptop thermals over chat, like discord? I think you'll find my experience interesting, I have the same laptop.
@Jojo's Alternate Universe As you can see from the video, I just use a plastic pen cap. I slide it gently under the cover, near the escape vents, as there are no clips holding the cover there. From there I work my way around each corner. If you get stuck, try going from the other corner. When you are sliding the pen cap under the cover, it may get stuck at some points. That's the where clips are. If you pivot the pen cap slightly, it will force the clip off. Don't use too much force, so it will easily come off without braking. I've done this countless times now, I still have to break a single clip.
@Somil Singh It really depends on the thermal paste and your use case. When you see that your temperatures fall outside of what you consider acceptable, then it's time to change. If you game all the time, then you'd want to change paste sooner than later. I used a fairly cheap paste on mine. I am a little disappointed to have had to change it after 4 months. I do run the CPU to max quite a lot, but 4 months is not great. But yes, with a decent paste (and correct application), once a year sounds about right for normal use case (mix of gaming a casual work).
@Phillip Lemmon The omen does have one side vent for the GPU, on the right hand side. The temperature on this model is fine. You can check my discord server for graphs and data. It's just that the initial thermal solution on my unit was not ideal. The legion is a more powerful machine than the omen, no doubt, but it does not have a significantly better cooling solution.
@Z X No, not as far as my current experience goes. But mind you, the game I play is very much GPU bound, so the CPU is never utilized to 100%. The GPU is overclocked.
Hey iam planning to buy ryzen 5 4600H rtx 1660ti 2020 omen 15 , can i buy it or will it have this problem and will i have to change thermal paste ? Please help 🥺
@Siddharth Pg Since the cooling system is the same as the version with 4800h, you should have no problem keeping the laptop temperature under control. It will likely be fine.
hello, no gaming, no editing video, no autocad.. i will use web browsing, youtube.. and two financial program that needs H series power and multiple intel core power. .. i concern about omen 2020 fan noise.. my programs do not need so much CPU power like gaming. but in daily use omen 2020 has fan noise? thank you.
@ideal sistem Hi. Yes, I'm familiar with the scenario. Lucky for you, you can disable the boost on the CPU, and make your integrated GPU as your main GPU. This will lower temperature quite a lot, consequently reducing fan noise. For a more in-depth video on the subject, you can watch my other video on the channel. Loud fan noise on Ryzen 4000. You will find in the description of the that video a link to show you how to disable the boost. But in a nutshell, you can have all 8 cores running at 2.9 GHz with the turbo off, which is plenty powerful for everyday tasks.
@@nighteye5253 thank you for your reply. but one program need min 2 gb 128bit GPU and the other program need CPU cores. of course not 4 or 5 ghz . but while i stop the CPU near 3 ghz , i am not sure about the performance. Of course it is a good solution for web browsing or office doc works. For example i use 5 years old i7 U series 2,6 ghz laptop , my programs need nearly need 3,2 ghz clock speed and no fan need. so i am so confused about omen 15 2020 and gaming laptops
@ideal sistem You cannot disable the dGPU on this omen, so you can leave the graphic preference on auto. If you don't need a full power GPU, you could temporarily underclock it, so that also reduced the fan noise. You could also try using Ryzen controller. If you feed 30 W to the 4800H, you will reach 3.2 GHz. Also, in the bios, you can enable fans always on. This will prevent the machine from ramping up the fans really high every so often and then be completely silent in a cycle, instead giving you a constant low hum in the background. But at the end of the day, these are gaming machines, and heat is always hard to dissipate.
which cpu, 97 on average ? if its max thats normal for amd gaming laptop, they'll spike here and there. each cpu has its own max temp, my 4700H max temp is 105 celcius, and if temp go beyond that it'll throttle
The problem is in your unit i think, i have an hp omen 15 , i7 rtx 3070 and the heat never touch 80 c usually 75 c when i play even high graphic demanding games .
@MIKE KIKOoij Yup, you're right. I think I've said so in the video, or maybe in another one. This video is more about me ranting about the MX4 arctic not lasting as long as advertised. This laptop has an excellent cooling system, as seen toward the end of this video. My unit came with some weirdly applied thermal paste at first, so I just swapped that. That was my first video of the channel.
Hey. I have the same laptop with a Rtx 2060. I have just done the cinebench benchmark with turbo boost enabled and i only got 3900 points while u got almost 4200. Do u have any idea why is that happening? Sorry 4 my english.
@Ignacio Masedo Hi. Your English is absolutely fine. The cinebench score is tied to the clock speed that the CPU sustains during the test, which depends on the power delivered to the CPU, which then depends on the temperature of the CPU. If the CPU temperature is too high, it will throttle, which means the power delivered is reduced. To test for an upper bound score, try running Cinebench r20 with performance mode, max fans and turbo enabled. If this doesn't take you above 4000-4100, it's time to look at what the CPU is actually doing. You can do so by using open hardware monitor. If you don't know what it is or how to use it, you'll find a video on the channel explaining it. If the CPU temperature hits anything above 99 degrees celsius, it will throttle to prevent damage to the CPU. This happens on many devices. But if you have the same model as me, with R7 but with rtx 2060, this really should not be a problem, unless the thermal solution is somehow compromised. Mine was, which is why I decided it was time for a repaste.
@@nighteye5253 I just got a score of 4050 with performance mode activated max fans and turbo enabled. Tell me if it is a good score or if i have to worry about it. I think i will repaste it as well. Thank you very much man, you are helping a lot!
@@ignaciomasedo9809 Given the laptop you have, you should expect higher. 4100 is sort of a lower bound. Not bad, by any means, but it can definitely do better. Now you can check for clock speeds. During the test, I imagine your laptop is currently hitting somewhere between 3.7GHz and 3.9GHz on average. There will of course be spiked here and there. I will also assume the power delivered to the CPU, on average, is about ~50W. Correct me if I'm wrong here. What you're really interested in is the temperature. What sort of temperature are you hitting at the moment with max fans?
@@nighteye5253 So i ran the test again and i got 4001 pts, with 4.05 GHz and 60W of power. The temperature that it hits at that point is around 85ºC., which is not too high. All this in performance mode, max fans and turbo enabled. So if you know where the problem is you will help me a lot. Im starting in this world so thank u very much man!
@@ignaciomasedo9809 That is very odd. With those number, you should be achieving at least 4100. Ok, are you familiar with Userbenchmark? If not, you can Google it. If you run that test, it will tell you how well you CPU (and other components) is doing compared to the rest of the users who have the same processor. It's not a definitive test, but it gives a good idea of what might be going on.
I was still within warranty and got the extended I let the bastard burn up lap top that you can't even put on lap running 108c lol wtf never again HP omen.
Bro i have asus tuf a15 ryzen 4800 h and its cinebench r23 score is 10481 pts multi score and within max temps of 90 degree so u should not say tuf a 15 is rubbish without knowing anything about it so better do your hw ☺️ this was kind suggestion
@Taran jeet singh If it runs cool for you, that is great news! But know that there are known thermal flaws with it. I am not making this stuff up because I feel like it, there are tons of videos doing independent testing, which show that the tuf a15 (2020 model) throttles because of thermals. The intake vents are blocked over the fans, which is why so many people have reported bad temps. The machine itself would be great otherwise. But know that, where I live, this machine is both more expensive than my omen and the legion 5, while offering less.
Just like any professional tech guy on CZcams, I have shown the paste on the heatsink and not the one on the actual CPU and GPU die. Please don't report me to the CZcams Tech Police.
Hi... you really should invest in cooler pad, you'll get 5-15 lower temperatures for under 10-15$ investment, really best way to keep your laptop cool for longer periods of time.. Just make some deep dive in what is the best one, more expensive doesn't mean that it's better one(problem is that some expensive ones are totally useless, and some cheaper can do miracles, just do your research ), you can spent some 50$ on some brand name CoolerMaster but you'll get better results from some no brand name, just check that mesh is from metal and that vents are big and airflow goes above holes of your laptop.. Believe me, best results are made with cooler pad, even if you don't get -10 celsius, it will hold lower temperatures for prolonged times, so no throttling..
@M8 N8 Ah yes, thanks for the advice. I already use one, but not for videos because it would be biased. Non everyone has a cooling pad right out of the box, so I tend to not include it in the analysis. But you are correct, they do provide a mean to reduce temperature a little more.
Defective model, these laptops are actually great, besides the fan noise being random and pointless sometimes. Also, do not buy the last gen. They’re ugly and they perform ugly. (It will burn your house down to the ground.)
@Studio Delta I know they are great laptops. Just a dab of the right thermal paste, and they perform even better than stock. Also, what do you mean by last gen? Ryzen 5000?
@Kevin Paterson Hmm... I know! I'll call you Kevin. Seems like a good name for you. As for the laptops, you must have one fine collection. That is, if you don't sell them every time you change one.
You got in my recommended you content and humor is kinda clean lol. Keep it up mate you will blow up
@Charbel Thank you! 😁
bro this is so useful this is the type of informmation that you don't find in any review and i also enjoyed the video keep it up
my plan is to buy ryzen 7 4800 with rtx 2060 I hope thats good choice and dont face any issue.
Very good video! Keep posting you deserve more subs! :)
You got a sub from me. I like stuff you do and a chill way you do that. I am looking forward to buy the same laptop and your channel will be helpful for sure!
it's a good idea while the heat sink's off to remove the fans and blow out the vents at the back of the fans. These are very narrow vents on this machine and can easily become completely clogged with dust
Looks like I’m on the same boat as you were. Have the same laptop while upgraded the RAM, and recently the heatsink for cpu is kinda blocked due to dust, along with bad preapplied thermal paste . Going to repaste and clear the vents tomorrow, wish me luck 😞
@A14 Inc. Good luck! 😁
i had to do the same to my OMEN 15 with i7-10750H, kept hitting 100'C when gaming.. while the GPU stayed at 70'C max.. (RTX 2060).. I have to run it with turbo set to 3.6Ghz... i never run it at full clock, even after re-paste. because it likes to hang at around 85-92'C still. which isnt needed when i get same performance at 3.6Ghz and temps around 60-84 Max when gaming (depends on game). i think the issue is the Fans, HP's system takes far too long to respond to Thermals.. my CPU would hit 100'C for at least 15 seconds before the fans even started spooling and getting to fast speeds. and the HP Omen Gaming hub (control panel) CPU temps take way too long to update that the CPU Thermal Throttles down to 80'C odd and then the Omen command centre reads that temp and doesn't re-act so the Temps go back to 100'C until it thermal throttles again, over and over and over.
@SASenglish Yes. Exactly! It's not a lack of hardware, but rather a poor optimization of the fan control and temperature reading speed, as you said. Saw the same thing on my unit. A bios update should be able to fix that, but I don't know when or if they'll release one.
@@nighteye5253 yeah and their tech support is poor at best. I had one remote login and see the temps.. I had Intel control panel reading the temps and HW monitor from CPUId.. and you know what the guy did.. he said I cannot use "third party programs" to monitor temps and he kept opening the Omen command centre and circling the cursor around the cpu temp which read 85'C while in Intel program showed constant 100'C.. obviously the guy can't understand their own program is showing false readings and Intel software is not 3rd party... its 1st party. Just because HP assembled the device does not make the manufacturer of the chipset 3rd party.....
@SASenglish The refresh rate of the temperature reading of the gaming hub is ridiculously low. I don't know how they think it's in any way reliable.
But the problem with customer service is that they have a set of instructions to follow, and if they make a mistake outside of what they are meant to cover, the fault falls on them. So I understand why they do it, but damn it's annoying.
Try replacing the thermal paste with Arctic MX4 undervolt and try a blower cooler. They are about 60 bucks. You will see a nice drop in temps. Also I suggest using a datavac blower for dust removal.
@@Gramps99 its done this since the laptop was 2 days old... so its not dust.. I have re-pasted twice using MX-4 and running an undervolt of -0.075v for a while now.
I recently got a razer chroma laptop stand. Which allows the fans to get a lot of air intake which has helped too.
I still don't run it at full clock speed because it's just not needed anyway.
Hi Nighteye!
Lovely videos as I got the same issues.
My model is 4800h and 2060. I hope you can help with few issues it would be of great aid.
My cpu on Aida64 with the basic preset on stress testing hits 100c on average while max being 105. Should I consider repasting? it was run on max fan and performance mode.
I saw Jarrod review and his only hit 85c average. I have also asked some forums and they said their laptop is similar so I'm getting mixed opinions so what should I do?
@Ah Jun Hi! In my humble opinion, whenever the CPU reaches a sustained temperature of above 100, that is a matter of worry. (Not only for temperatures, but also because it throttles, therefore getting you lower performance)
While it's true that CPU are designed to be able to run a little hotter without breaking down, it is no reason to let it do so. (if you drive a normal car, it's like saying you can use first gear and rev at 6000 engine revs per minute for the whole journey. You can do it, sort of, but you are just putting unnecessary stress on the engine).
As you said, reliable sources such as Jarrod's tech and others have shown this laptop to have a good thermal solution. In my own testing, that is true. However, in order to achieve that, I had to repaste. I had temperatures similar to yours, and that's what prompted me to do it.
I would recommend using a different paste than mine, as I don't think having to repaste every 4 months is ideal. I don't mind doing it, but that's because I already bought it 😂.
@@nighteye5253 What paste do u recommend fam
@Ah Jun I have only ever tried the MX4 Arctic, so not much personal experience here.
However, Bob of all trades is really good at making these kind of recommendations.
You can check the description section of this video: czcams.com/video/R5ZmlLrMDjA/video.html
Did you run Aida 64 cpu stress only Checked or fpu also checked ?
@@ahjun5373 Use Gelid GC Extreme or Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut.
I have an omen 17 an124nv with an I7 8750H and its running 100c when its runs without any tweaks made to the cpu
and my gpu runs at 70c most of the time
should I re paste the thermal paste?
what thermal paste do you recommend?
@GeorgegamingXD Hi. The i7 8750H is designed to run at a max temp of 100 C, but it will throttle at that point, so you are not getting your full performance.
Repasting helps, but if you've had the laptop for a while, then another cause could be dust. It builds up in the exhaust heat sink, which prevents air from being blown out.
You can test this, by setting the fans to max speed and using a soft cloth (or even toilet paper like in one of my other videos XD) to see how much it gets pushed by each exhaust. If the paper barely moves, you know something is choking the exhaust.
As for repaste, I don't have much experience with thermal paste as I have only ever used the MX4 Arctic in the video.
You can follow this link for a video I recommend on thermal paste:
czcams.com/video/g7im3Shi3dg/video.html
Bob of all trades is a great channel that focuses on laptops. Bob also has a whole video about the 8750H here:
czcams.com/video/yNt9L3BWOFo/video.html
Hey man, thanks for sharing this! I'm having the same issue, but will repasting void the warranty? I want to repaste it myself since the service center sucks here.
@Vincensius Calvin Yeah, I pretty confident repasting voids the warranty.
i have the rtx will it have the same issue its coming in next week...i guess its already too late
@Davien D I believe it's only some units that have this problem. The thermal system of the laptop itself is excellent. (I assume you have the omen 15).
Unfortunately I cheaped out on the paste when I repasted 4 months ago (you can watch that video if you'd like), so didn't last as long as one would normally expect. Also, I think the paste pumped out a bit, so that's something you may wanna avoid. For reference I used the MX4 Artic. Some people find it fine, but I am not too happy with it. (Will be using it until it runs out though 😂)
At the end of the day, you're very likely to be fine.
@@nighteye5253 well here i am 4 months later.. its hot sometimes but not bad ...omen 15 nvidia rtx 2060 the fans are inconsistent but effective...the noise omg...but its about time for a cleaning and the thermal paste you mentioned...the cpu gets hot for nothing! but i still love this purchase...
Did u try a newer or better thermal paste??
I've used the same Arctic mx4 and getting OK temperature on my i5 10300h after undervolt.
@Faraz I have not tried any new thermal paste, but I've had a go at graphite pads. Video will come out eventually, but in short, it's not a good solution.
The thermal grizzly Kryonaut is quite a good paste you can look at if you're interested in some high performance paste.
However, given that it's a four core CPU, you might find that it has dimishing returns the higher up in paste quality you go. At the end of the day, the difference in temperature between the best and worst paste is about 5C, which is ok if you've got enough thermal overhead.
The Mx 4 arctic actually has some good performance, but for me it doesn't last very long. But I don't mind repasting more often, as at this point I've done it enough times to take me just a few minutes.
i have hp omen 15 dc-1052nr i7 9th rtx 2060 my gpu and cpu crossing 90 plus degree after under volting its still crossing what do i do any solution
Sell it, omen is sht totally, I have omen 15 maybe 2 years now and giving me a lot of troubles with battery ofc heating like stove, my old laptop it's more than 7 years and I never had any problems till now still working, DON'T BUY OMEN SAVE YOUR MONEY
Could you do one where you also clean teh dust out of the fans and vents? I'm not sure how much it affects thermals (if there's a little dust but not like blocking half the vent or anything)
Also where tf can I get canned air in India??
@Nachiket Dandegaonkar I will put that on my to do list. But just as a suggestion, if you do use an air duster can, make sure to keep the fans at rest by blocking them with your finger (this is to prevent premature wear and tear, as the air from the can would make them spin too fast) when you open up the back of the laptop.
A small amount of dust should not be a concern, although it's always better not to have any. Thing is, dust is a poor thermal conductor, so it tends to trap heat. If the exhaust are covered, then yes, it is a matter of concern.
You can find the air duster cans on Amazon.
@Nachiket Dandegaonkar I have just released the video on how to remove the fans so you can clean them a bit more thoroughly.
@@nighteye5253 Yep just watched it, thanks!
good video man, just one question, is your left fan starts in single tasks like chrome and its very noisy!!? :(
@Sebastián Díaz It depends on the ambient temperature, wattage pulled, and how long you have been using the machine for.
At the moment, I keep my laptop with CPU boost enabled and battery mode on better performance (as opposed to best performance, since it boosts clock all the time, which is not necessary), with maximum processor state set to 100 (if you don't know what this is, don't worry about it, it's set to this by default).
So, when using Firefox (I have moved on from chrome), with ambient temperature of about 20C, the CPU pulls about 10W, and the temperature goes up to 60, with fans spinning. But it's not loud, unless you are in a very quite room, in which case you can definitely hear it.
However, when the CPU boost is disabled, the temperature doesn't go beyond 55, with fans off, mostly.
You must however understand that heat builds up, slowly, and at some point the fans will come on. It's more of an ON and OFF cycle. If the ambient temperature is cooler, that just meant that the fans will remain off longer before starting.
For you, I suggest looking at how much wattage the CPU is pulling when using Chrome, and looking at the temperature.
Fans will usually come on beyond 65C in default mode.
For a quieter experience, I suggest disabling the boost, since you don't need the full power to browse the web or watch videos.
For the lowest possible temperature, you can play around with maximum processor states. I have a video about that. This will further reduce the max clock speed on the CPU, even below the base clock from disabling the boost.
As a trade-off, the computer will start the fans at a lower temperature 😂, like 55 C, but at least you won't be hitting that as easily.
I have a similar laptop and I want to repaste, but I'm concerned if it will void my warranty. Any tips?
@Abbishek Rajh Usually yes. Some laptops have seals over some screws to check for any tampering. Some manufacturers do allow repasting, but you have to ask them directly to make sure.
I'm actually planning on buying this laptop but with GTX 1650Ti for college work and mild gaming, is this laptop a good choice??
Do I still need to change the thermal paste everytime? Also, would you recommend any other laptop in the same price with the same specs, it for the better thermal performance??
@Ender Man The 1650Ti is fine for 1080p medium settings graphics. As for the CPU, I assume you'll be looking at the Ryzen 5 or 7. Both of those give you very good performance, and depending on your usage, the cheaper Ryzen 5 could even be a better choice thermally (if you can make use of the extra cores, the Ryzen 7 is clearly a better choice). The intel I7 is also ok, but not the i5 if that's an option. (I'm saying that because there are currently laptops with intel 4 cores with 3060 graphics around the corner, so you'd better wait for those if you value graphical performance more than CPU performance)
As for the thermal paste change, it will depend on your usage case. My unit had thermal issues out of the box, but this is not the case for your average 2020 omen models. Thermal paste change would be needed only when you're no longer happy with the thermal performance. (You shouldn't need it for the first year of usage, provided you have a normal unit, unless you really stress the machine thermally).
As for the price, the Acer nitro 7 is the best bang for your money if you want a 1650ti with Ryzen 5. It's cheaper than the omen with the same specs (in the UK at least), and often comes with some nice bundles on Amazon. You will however be sacrificing on the screen quality (67% of sRGB Vs 99% on the omen with 144 Hz refresh rate) and the build does look more gamery with the red accents.
Another good laptop is the legion 5, in which case you do not compromise on much other than personal choice on build style. I would actually say that the legion performs marginally better in CPU (due to increased power output, but this can be matched using Ryzen controller) and GPU (because it has a MUX switch, unlike the omen and the Acer).
Also, unless you play FPS games, your frame rate will be closer to 60 FPS when gaming with AAA titles in low to medium settings, so choosing a 60 Hz panel is not a bad idea. You do usually lose on colour accuracy and overall brightness, so better check those before purchase. (Usually, 300 nits of brightness is good enough for outdoor usage. Any lower, and you may struggle a bit, but it's not the end of the world).
Thermals is perfectly fine on the Ryzen 5, and when paired with a 1650ti, your overall power draw means that it going to run fairly cool.
I could tell you to wait for the next gen Ryzen laptops, but who knows when those will be out and when you'll even be able to get your hands on them before the bots do.
@@nighteye5253 ty for the reply. I'm planning on going with Ryzen 7 and I don't really want RTX GPUs cuz they consume energy like crazy and the GTX is getting me the right amount of battery as I need, and ig imma just go for it. Its the most ideal laptop I can find which meets all my required criteria :D
I suggest you to check Lenovo Legion 5 instead with the same pricing but better thermal management
Hi,
I need a little help. I bought the HP Omen 15 couple of weeks ago. It has a 500 GB SSD installed and has another m.2 slot free. I have partitioned that drive into similar sized disks ~(160 gigs) C, D and E... I was thinking of additional storage to the laptop but I'm confused about how I should do it. I have two questions regarding it:
1) Today I read that it isn't advisable to partition SSDs and that Windows C drive should be kept in a separate SSD drive for optimal performance. Is there any truth in that? Should I delete the partitions I created ?
2) If I am going to add storage, should I add a 256 GB just for the C drive (this is in relation to what I said in Q1) or should I wait and get a 500 GB few months later ?(if there's no truth in partitioning leading to issues)
Before I got this laptop, I had the same desktop for almost 10 years. In that one, I had Windows installed on a 320 GB HDD with no separate partitions and I added 2TBs of HDD storage for media and other stuff few years later. I know the more storage, the better it is. But I'm very very confused. This device cost a good sum of money and I want to do what's best for it.
If I get It would be of great help if anyone could please advise me on how I should do it.
Thanks,
Ab
@A W Hi. So, what you need to know is that both SSD and HDD require a certain amount of memory to work properly. In this comment, I will refer to this memory as Memory Alpha (just because I can).
To understand why, we look at what the memory is made of. For ssd, without going into the jargon, you have these blocks of memory that retain their property even after electric current is removed. (unlike RAM, which is why we call it volatile memory). This allows them to "remember".
Due to the property of the system, it is easier to write on empty blocks rather than rewrite on blocks that have data already stored in them. When we delete blocks, once again due to how the system works, we have to delete many blocks at once.
Say for example you update a file, which was saved in a group of memory blocks. The system copies said group of blocks into an empty group of blocks, Memory Alpha, then deletes the group of block that has just been copied, and only then copies the group of blocks from Memeory Alpha back onto the now empty group of blocks. Then Memory Alpha gets emptied.
This seems a rather lengthy process, but it is faster than rewriting over full blocks.
So here come partitions. From what I understand, each partition requires this Memory Alpha in order to work. The more partitions you create, the more number of Memory Alpha you need to accommodate for that, so you are more likely to fill these faster, as you now have a little less memory to work with.
So, unless you have large memory, I would not advise creating partitions. However, you said that your windows is saved on the 500 GB ssd which comes with the laptop. Windows needs a few GB to work normally, something like 15-20 GB of Memory Alpha. (Don't quote me on that though)
So, if your windows os weighs say 80 GB, then it is advised to leave a partition for Windows of about 100 GB.
So, you understand that if you want to create another partition, it too needs its separate Memory Alpha. Maybe not as much, but it will need some.
Now, there is nothing bad about using the Windows C partition for your personal files. Most people go by using their single ssd in their laptops, and move what they need to an external memory when they see that the ssd is getting full.
So, in conclusion, if you want to have partitions, that's fine. But note that each partition will require some empty space. Do not fill the partitions to their limit, as this will limit their ability to work until there is enough Memory Alpha again, which you achieve by clearing out memory, either deleting or moving elsewhere.
If it was up to me, I would keep the windows partition where it is, and add another ssd later on when I feel like the primary one is not enough for my needs. For now, I use an external HDD, which is slow, but I don't often have to move files, so it doesn't bother me.
Ultimately, it does depend on your work flow.
For more information on how ssd work, you can read this article, which I find pretty comprehensive.
www.extremetech.com/extreme/210492-extremetech-explains-how-do-ssds-work
@@nighteye5253 @Night Eye thanks for your reply. I guess I'll stick to two partitions for now then. I like keeping partitions because it allows me to organise my files my way even though everyone says it's inefficient. Do you have any recommendations for value for money good m.2 SSDs that I can get few months later when I'm needing space ?
@A W The most important thing is that if it works for you, then that's how it should be. Your work flow dictates how you use your laptop.
People such as myself can only try to make suggestions based on our personal experience. Having said that, I have not looked into buying SSDs yet, so not too sure what to do in that regard. The best I can do is include this link to Jarrod's upgrade video.
czcams.com/video/927IDANe394/video.html
What I've noticed is that ryzen processors don't directly give out the core temperature sensor for reading. You're most probably reading the Tctl/tdie temperature. Open hwinfo64. And measure core temperature.
I've seen that by default, even msi afterburner reads tctl/tdie temperature.
@Jayesh R You are correct. Open hardware monitor shows the tctl/tdie temperature.
Hwinfo64 shows the CPU Core and CPU soc in addition to that. (APU GFX temperature is not really relevant here). Both of those are consistently lower than the Tctl unless pushed to higher temperatures than idle.
At idle, core temp is 10 degrees lower than tclt, while CPU soc is an additional 5 degrees lower.
At load, Tctl and core are the same but SOC is 20 degrees lower than both.
@@nighteye5253 while gaming ? Core temperature are much lower than the spiking tctl/tdie temperature right?
@Jayesh R That was during a Cinebench r23 run.
i had seen your other vid on disabling turbo boost through power plan settings but for some reason i cant find the option on my hp omen 15.
help would be appreciated
@Aakash Sai Unnam If you enabled it before and had a windows update, you have to do it again. You'll find a link to the video in the description section of either video to show you how.
@@nighteye5253 how do i go back to the previous windows?
@Aakash Sai Unnam You don't have to go back to the previous windows version for this to work. But if you have other reasons to do so, you can do so by looking for recovery in your windows settings.
@@nighteye5253 would the registry editor video help in disabling turbo boost without me having to revert back to the old windows?
@@aakashsaiunnam1065 you don't have to revert back windows. Also, the setting may be different on different models of the hp omen. Mine just says "processor state" and then divides the processor by "maximum" and "minimum." Those states are presented in percentages. If you have something similar just click on "maximum processor state" and lower the percentage from 100 to 99. That should disable boost
Buddy I am buying the lenovo legin 4600h GTX 1650ti how do u rate it's thermals
@Sumita Khasnabis If you are referring to the legion 5, then the thermals will in all likelihood be under control given the power rating for both CPU and GPU.
One thing to keep in mind when considering thermals is the ambient temperature. If you use the laptop in a warmer environment, then expect it to get warmer accordingly.
If you live in a colder environment, then you've got nothing to worry about on the temperature front, provided there are no anomalies.
I'll be getting a Omen Laptop with an AMD and I'm already thinking on applying liquid thermal. The new Asus all have it and the temperature is amazing even thought the chassis is thin which means that the Omen should improve between a 7-15 % in the temperature department. The new 5800H does get hot.
@Mario Zamora When you say liquid thermal, are you referring to liquid metal?
Edit: Just curious about which brand of paste you want to use.
just got my Omen yesterday, you said yours had thermal issues out of the box.. how do i know mine has it too? so far when on idle my temp is around 45-ish to low 60s and when gaming (division 2 so far) it ranges from 78 to low 90s. i dont use any air conditioners in my room and i live around tropical climate. is it normal that it reached that temp?
@Brian Hazell Yup, that's perfectly fine. You can reduce the temps even further if you put it in performance mode when gaming, as it increases fans speed, at the cost of increased noise.
If you were gaming in default mode, those temps are perfectly fine.
@@nighteye5253 just now i turned off the turbo boost and im arround 60 to near 70C while playing and having several apps going? i mean its just surprising on the difference it made however, is it fine though? will this have an impact in longevity?
@@lettucelad Disabling the boost means that you are not pushing the CPU as much, so you get less performance out of it. In games, this translates the lower fps (depending on the game. Some games are more GPU bound, so CPU performance doesn't have that much of an effect). It's a good thing to have when you don't need its full power such as when you are not gaming.
As for the the longevity, if anything, you are extending the life of your CPU, because you are not stressing it and it's experiencing less heat.
However, this should not be a concern. You are far more likely to change your laptop sooner than any CPU will fail due to usage. They last a very long time.
Legion 5 ryzen 7 1660ti or omen 15 ryzen 7 2060? both have same price
@Muhammad Daffa If they have the same amount of ram as well, then I would go for the rtx 2060 omen.
If you can't wait to get 3000 series GPU (or the new cheaper upcoming Radeon ones), then 2060 is more future proof with ray tracing and dlss. It also has 20 W higher TDP than the 1660ti as far as I know.
Only thing you lose out on is MUX switch. But the performance boost from that doesn't compare with the performance boost from 1660ti to 2060. Also, for the omen, hdmi connects directly to the Nvidia GPU, so the lack of mux switch is not really that bad. CPU performance can be matched for both using software such as Ryzen controller of that's something you want.
Thats why i took
Hp omen with i7
@VISHWA MARTUR It's just my unit that has had this thermal issue. I've looked at why in my first video. Generally speaking, Ryzen runs cooler. The i7 is still a great CPU though, definitely better in single core performance.
Have you checked out the fan without any dust on the cover ?
@Michael Perrin My latest video looks at how to remove and clean the fans. I haven't tested the thermal performance after that yet.
Which software are u using to monitor all the stats and temperature??
@Aditya Kamalia I am using Open Hardware Monitor. I have a video about it if you would like to know more.
@@nighteye5253 thx
I'm reporting you to the CZcams Tech Police
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Hi, is it possible to discuss some thoughts I have about your laptop thermals over chat, like discord? I think you'll find my experience interesting, I have the same laptop.
@Jelmer Yeah, sure. You can find the discord link in the description section.
Anyone know how to easily remove the bottom panel of the laptop?
@Jojo's Alternate Universe As you can see from the video, I just use a plastic pen cap.
I slide it gently under the cover, near the escape vents, as there are no clips holding the cover there. From there I work my way around each corner. If you get stuck, try going from the other corner.
When you are sliding the pen cap under the cover, it may get stuck at some points. That's the where clips are. If you pivot the pen cap slightly, it will force the clip off. Don't use too much force, so it will easily come off without braking.
I've done this countless times now, I still have to break a single clip.
Do we need to change thermal paste every year?
@Somil Singh It really depends on the thermal paste and your use case. When you see that your temperatures fall outside of what you consider acceptable, then it's time to change.
If you game all the time, then you'd want to change paste sooner than later. I used a fairly cheap paste on mine. I am a little disappointed to have had to change it after 4 months. I do run the CPU to max quite a lot, but 4 months is not great.
But yes, with a decent paste (and correct application), once a year sounds about right for normal use case (mix of gaming a casual work).
The reason why it's sooo hot is cuz it has NOT SIDE VENTS!
Should have gotten the lenovo legion 5 it has a great cooling solution.
@Phillip Lemmon The omen does have one side vent for the GPU, on the right hand side. The temperature on this model is fine. You can check my discord server for graphs and data. It's just that the initial thermal solution on my unit was not ideal.
The legion is a more powerful machine than the omen, no doubt, but it does not have a significantly better cooling solution.
Does it throttle when u play heavy games?
@Z X No, not as far as my current experience goes. But mind you, the game I play is very much GPU bound, so the CPU is never utilized to 100%. The GPU is overclocked.
Hey iam planning to buy ryzen 5 4600H rtx 1660ti 2020 omen 15 , can i buy it or will it have this problem and will i have to change thermal paste ? Please help 🥺
@Siddharth Pg Since the cooling system is the same as the version with 4800h, you should have no problem keeping the laptop temperature under control. It will likely be fine.
@@nighteye5253 thank you soo much mate ❤️
@@siddharthpg2919 No worries 👍
hello, no gaming, no editing video, no autocad.. i will use web browsing, youtube.. and two financial program that needs H series power and multiple intel core power. .. i concern about omen 2020 fan noise.. my programs do not need so much CPU power like gaming. but in daily use omen 2020 has fan noise? thank you.
@ideal sistem Hi. Yes, I'm familiar with the scenario. Lucky for you, you can disable the boost on the CPU, and make your integrated GPU as your main GPU. This will lower temperature quite a lot, consequently reducing fan noise.
For a more in-depth video on the subject, you can watch my other video on the channel. Loud fan noise on Ryzen 4000. You will find in the description of the that video a link to show you how to disable the boost.
But in a nutshell, you can have all 8 cores running at 2.9 GHz with the turbo off, which is plenty powerful for everyday tasks.
@@nighteye5253 thank you for your reply. but one program need min 2 gb 128bit GPU and the other program need CPU cores. of course not 4 or 5 ghz . but while i stop the CPU near 3 ghz , i am not sure about the performance. Of course it is a good solution for web browsing or office doc works. For example i use 5 years old i7 U series 2,6 ghz laptop , my programs need nearly need 3,2 ghz clock speed and no fan need. so i am so confused about omen 15 2020 and gaming laptops
@ideal sistem
You cannot disable the dGPU on this omen, so you can leave the graphic preference on auto.
If you don't need a full power GPU, you could temporarily underclock it, so that also reduced the fan noise.
You could also try using Ryzen controller. If you feed 30 W to the 4800H, you will reach 3.2 GHz. Also, in the bios, you can enable fans always on. This will prevent the machine from ramping up the fans really high every so often and then be completely silent in a cycle, instead giving you a constant low hum in the background.
But at the end of the day, these are gaming machines, and heat is always hard to dissipate.
i've got an omen 15 and i've been having this exact problem recently, i play sea of thieves and it goes to like 97 celsius like bloody hell
which cpu, 97 on average ? if its max thats normal for amd gaming laptop, they'll spike here and there. each cpu has its own max temp, my 4700H max temp is 105 celcius, and if temp go beyond that it'll throttle
The problem is in your unit i think,
i have an hp omen 15 , i7 rtx 3070 and the heat never touch 80 c usually 75 c when i play even high graphic demanding games .
@MIKE KIKOoij Yup, you're right. I think I've said so in the video, or maybe in another one. This video is more about me ranting about the MX4 arctic not lasting as long as advertised.
This laptop has an excellent cooling system, as seen toward the end of this video. My unit came with some weirdly applied thermal paste at first, so I just swapped that. That was my first video of the channel.
Hey. I have the same laptop with a Rtx 2060. I have just done the cinebench benchmark with turbo boost enabled and i only got 3900 points while u got almost 4200. Do u have any idea why is that happening? Sorry 4 my english.
@Ignacio Masedo Hi. Your English is absolutely fine. The cinebench score is tied to the clock speed that the CPU sustains during the test, which depends on the power delivered to the CPU, which then depends on the temperature of the CPU.
If the CPU temperature is too high, it will throttle, which means the power delivered is reduced.
To test for an upper bound score, try running Cinebench r20 with performance mode, max fans and turbo enabled. If this doesn't take you above 4000-4100, it's time to look at what the CPU is actually doing. You can do so by using open hardware monitor. If you don't know what it is or how to use it, you'll find a video on the channel explaining it.
If the CPU temperature hits anything above 99 degrees celsius, it will throttle to prevent damage to the CPU. This happens on many devices. But if you have the same model as me, with R7 but with rtx 2060, this really should not be a problem, unless the thermal solution is somehow compromised. Mine was, which is why I decided it was time for a repaste.
@@nighteye5253 I just got a score of 4050 with performance mode activated max fans and turbo enabled. Tell me if it is a good score or if i have to worry about it. I think i will repaste it as well. Thank you very much man, you are helping a lot!
@@ignaciomasedo9809 Given the laptop you have, you should expect higher. 4100 is sort of a lower bound. Not bad, by any means, but it can definitely do better.
Now you can check for clock speeds. During the test, I imagine your laptop is currently hitting somewhere between 3.7GHz and 3.9GHz on average. There will of course be spiked here and there. I will also assume the power delivered to the CPU, on average, is about ~50W. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
What you're really interested in is the temperature. What sort of temperature are you hitting at the moment with max fans?
@@nighteye5253 So i ran the test again and i got 4001 pts, with 4.05 GHz and 60W of power. The temperature that it hits at that point is around 85ºC., which is not too high. All this in performance mode, max fans and turbo enabled. So if you know where the problem is you will help me a lot. Im starting in this world so thank u very much man!
@@ignaciomasedo9809 That is very odd. With those number, you should be achieving at least 4100.
Ok, are you familiar with Userbenchmark?
If not, you can Google it. If you run that test, it will tell you how well you CPU (and other components) is doing compared to the rest of the users who have the same processor. It's not a definitive test, but it gives a good idea of what might be going on.
I was still within warranty and got the extended I let the bastard burn up lap top that you can't even put on lap running 108c lol wtf never again HP omen.
same here. thinking about repasting it myself but i'm afraid it will void the warranty.
Can u tell me the tdp of the RTX 2060 on this laptop?
@SkyWasTaken For the 2020 omen 15 it's 100 watts.
@@nighteye5253 thank u so much!
I like u
They use liquid metal for cpu. Regular thermal paste can't do as well. Maybe try liquid metal on both cpu and gpu.
@Comrade Which laptop are you referring to?
@@nighteye5253 hp omen 15
@Comrade Don't know about the upcoming omen, but the 2020 versions don't use liquid metal, just regular paste for both CPU and GPU.
Bro i have asus tuf a15 ryzen 4800 h and its cinebench r23 score is 10481 pts multi score and within max temps of 90 degree so u should not say tuf a 15 is rubbish without knowing anything about it so better do your hw ☺️ this was kind suggestion
@Taran jeet singh
If it runs cool for you, that is great news!
But know that there are known thermal flaws with it. I am not making this stuff up because I feel like it, there are tons of videos doing independent testing, which show that the tuf a15 (2020 model) throttles because of thermals. The intake vents are blocked over the fans, which is why so many people have reported bad temps.
The machine itself would be great otherwise. But know that, where I live, this machine is both more expensive than my omen and the legion 5, while offering less.
Just like any professional tech guy on CZcams, I have shown the paste on the heatsink and not the one on the actual CPU and GPU die. Please don't report me to the CZcams Tech Police.
Hi... you really should invest in cooler pad, you'll get 5-15 lower temperatures for under 10-15$ investment, really best way to keep your laptop cool for longer periods of time..
Just make some deep dive in what is the best one, more expensive doesn't mean that it's better one(problem is that some expensive ones are totally useless, and some cheaper can do miracles, just do your research ), you can spent some 50$ on some brand name CoolerMaster but you'll get better results from some no brand name, just check that mesh is from metal and that vents are big and airflow goes above holes of your laptop..
Believe me, best results are made with cooler pad, even if you don't get -10 celsius, it will hold lower temperatures for prolonged times, so no throttling..
@M8 N8 Ah yes, thanks for the advice. I already use one, but not for videos because it would be biased. Non everyone has a cooling pad right out of the box, so I tend to not include it in the analysis.
But you are correct, they do provide a mean to reduce temperature a little more.
Defective model, these laptops are actually great, besides the fan noise being random and pointless sometimes. Also, do not buy the last gen. They’re ugly and they perform ugly. (It will burn your house down to the ground.)
@Studio Delta I know they are great laptops. Just a dab of the right thermal paste, and they perform even better than stock.
Also, what do you mean by last gen? Ryzen 5000?
@@nighteye5253 Any of the models from 2019 and below. They have a single hinge, if that helps.
@Studio Delta Ah yes, I see what you mean. I'm not a fan of that design either.
Just uninstall your crome .. it worked for me
don't update bios on omen 15 2020 it'll burn alive your laptop. Constantly over 90 degrees
Tried undervolting ? Mine got to 55 degrees with idle and 87-90 on gaming …. Maybe need to change thermal paste as well
I buy a new laptop every four months, call me whatever you want 😂
@Kevin Paterson Hmm... I know! I'll call you Kevin. Seems like a good name for you.
As for the laptops, you must have one fine collection. That is, if you don't sell them every time you change one.
you know what
that termal paste is shitttttttt.
you should have gone for GELID gc extreme