Executive at Konami around 2000: "Hey Kojima, how are we going to transition to the final boss in Metal Gear Solid 2?" Kojima after ripping the fattest blunt in Japanese history: "Ok, hear me out..."
@@user-pi1lb4tf2fnah, if we're talking speculative fiction this is definitely a bigger puff, the creators of lain had to do a lot of proper research but it's still super abstract. This is just so damn specific.
Natural Selection and Darwinism is a bitch after all. Old days anyone who was sickly or had physical or mental defects were outright aborted or terminated, now medication and treatment has given them a slightly better chance of a normal life, only slightly that is. But alas, elitism eventually crawls into all aspects of life.
Tsyumamatsu TheHavenofGuardia he gave us this game. Simply saying it isn’t gonna get the message through to some people but experiencing it a whole different thing
No not really just a collection of thoughts ideas gathered from movies; as you may know movies came from books. The majority of Americans have decided to stay in the dark and thus remain dormant. Alot of events have been foretold like the one in Akita Japan over twenty years ago, more impressive are the ones that have been written in many books which we call the bible, we got the bible from thousands of years of Tradition which has had its share of prophecies quick have come to pass, most notable are the ones told of Jesus who would be crucified and rise again on the third day. Relevantradio.com
A lot of people talking about how this is all coming to pass. The part they makes me the most sad is... even with as obviously intelligent and cynical as Kojima is, he still created an optimistic context. He wrote that the ultimate enemy is trying to do the right thing, as they see it. The AI believe theyre right and its hard to say theyre wrong. The problem is that its not a question of cold logic. Reality isnt like that. The world isnt becoming the way it is because some crazy AI is trying to improve the human race. Purely evil and selfish individuals are using society as a weapon against itself for their own prosperity. Even Kojima's insanity wasnt as cynical as reality.
We have not arrived at the tipping point where the AI clashes with the stupidity of political humanity. AI does not yet have the kind of self-determination to do something about it. Again... yet. Whereas as a child I thought it was a scary notion, in this day in age it could be incubating in the background of nations and we wouldn't know except that we've seen this video and we see how good AI is at "sifting through the trivial and trite wasteland" and "providing context." We're talking about a world where I just took the YT link of this video, ran it through a ChatGPT-4 plug in that can scrape videos and turn the dialogue into a script and analyzed it, asked it a couple obvious questions based on the video to "give it context for a response" and this popped out. This is just a publicly available AI that anyone can use for 20 bucks a month and many websites offer limited use of it for free and you can use dated versions of it for free. chat.openai.com/share/04df477c-e47b-4d16-b64c-9632fa2d028b It managed to get all of that from the video and "create all that context" just by me sharing it one link and asking what it thought. The amount of data it used, its logic and its sources to back it to respond was even more overwhelming in terms of how crazy it could be than the original video.
How could you even state that? Do you understand what the world's richest do? They aren't interested in accumulating more money. To do so would be completely meaningless. They have larger aims than mere wealth. You can see this in how they actually spend their money. You are the cynical one, not reality.
Current AI is far from what MGS2 is portraying, which is sentience. Not a single AI dev is pretending to have sentient AI, but most are expecting it. Once that happens, I bet we'll see each other again in this comment section.
Well this seems to reflect the modern world, but the question is, what’s the bigger threat, what the Patriots tried to do or what they tried to stop? That’s part of the game’s brilliance. A horrifying enemy that itself was trying to stop a horrifying problem. This conversation is enough to throw anyone into an existential crisis. Few forms of media, let alone video games, dive into such deep concepts.
It is as real as it gets. Although it isn't by the Patriots in real life. Global Corporations and governments have decided to implement a human version of the S3 plan. At least the control of information part. Social Media companies and western governments have decided they are the ones who get to 'create context.' Both are equally the greatest threat to our evolution.
I think people who see Solidus as a tragic hero standing against the strength of the Patriots fail to see his motivation is no longer to free everyone from systems of control, but to impose his own onto the world. Just as Liquid represents the danger in becoming a slave to ones genes, such as circumstance of birth or ascribing strength to genes, Solidus could only focus on his memetic legacy. Only in becoming a new founding father and ensuring his image in the ever- increasing chaos of cultural consciousness could he feel a sense of purpose. I doubt it's a coincidence Raiden becomes the opposite of his paternal mentor. Solidus trained child soldiers hoping a part of him lived on through the tradition of war, and he treated Raiden like a surrogate son he could treat like a guinea pig, even if he did care for him on some level. Solidus cannot conceive children, so he became fixated on becoming a legend like big boss - the legend that resulted in the Patriots in the first place.
@@FronkZappa To be fair, Darth Vader is also classed as a tragic hero who fell into darkness because he wanted to save his wife and unborn child, but was manipulated and turned into the villain he becomes. My interpretation of Solidus is: He once did have motivations to free everyone or make America a better place, or fight the Patriots (it's not covered why he became President, or what for.) so it's up to interpretation. However his Dark past with training child soldiers is a shadow of Big Boss' dark side's legacy, so with training Raiden, he followed the same dark path of Big Boss. I do believe he was genuine in wanting to remove the Patriots and Bring Freedom to America, but he was too extreme, too fixated on becoming a legend of his own, that he lost sight of that and the consequences, which is kind of where the tragedy is. Solidus could have had a redemption if he was not so fixated and extreme, though training child soldiers is unforgiveable, but he could not be beyond redemption had he made better choices. I'd say I class Solidus as a tragic anti-villain- That is, a villain who wanted to do something good, but does evil things to achieve it. Or an anti-hero: Someone who uses very morally flawed ways to do a good deed. The tragedy was that he was created by Zero, and his life manipulated from that end. All three Snakes wanted to break free of their origins. But only Solid, the one who inherited the values of the Boss on his own without even meeting her (it's probably deliberate The Boss had some similar ideas to Solid). So in essence, Solidus had a good idea, but he still used destructive means and did even acts to achieve it. Still. The storytelling did have good messages to tell through Solidus. As I personally want to create my own legacy, but unlike him. I have chosen to do it through writing, and doing things to help my country and it's people (i'm british) in not so great times. I don't know if he does want to impose a new system of control though. He doesn't imply a goal to rule the new America.
Been years since I've played this game... but holy crap I can't believe Kojima predicted ALL of this. Its a little depressing how what the villain was trying to prevent in this game actually came to pass.
The most ironic part is how the people that think theyve “transcended” this by only consuming media from alternate sources are the most vulnerable to this. The more certain you are that you know the real “truth”, the less likely you are to challenge yourself by engaging with any other ideas
Indeed, those people have only chosen a even more special and unique cave to shelter in. However this begs the question of what is absolute truth, is it pure utilitarianism for the whole or just the surviving ideology after open conflict?
@@shaynehughes6645 Aren't those synonyms? If not, and facts are something else like a cultivated knowledge, who's to say the facts are true? An adequately pervasive power or government could stifle all other perspectives and cause the only available facts to be falsehoods.
@@shaynehughes6645 I get it, but how do we know we have the facts then? The only way to be sure is to be there as it happens, which isn't always possible.
And nowadays, Russian mercs (the Gurlukovich soldiers you encounter throughout the game) and child soldiers (such as Raiden himself) are also more relavent than ever. Let's hope there isn't also a top secret Metal Gear-like mech wirh nuclear capabilities.
I first reached this scene when I was 8 years old. Gave me chills to the bone if not just for the fact of GW's disturbing appearance and that dammed voice. Rewatching and replaying, realizing that Kojima predicted the world I live in today... I think I feel a whole other set of nightmares coming on.
Every so often, I come here to listen to this and to this day it shocks me. Kojima predicted the future down to the very millisecond. The few that control information, how nobody is right but neither wrong, how we all scurry to our own small groups, how 24/7 nonsense like "The 7 ways to live a happy life" is growing indefinitely, and it even confronts and questions the viewer. Are your ideals yours or someone before you placed those ideals. In the end we're an imperfect species that has abused its freedom and this is the result.
A lot of science fiction and experts were talking about this long before Kojima. He's not Nostradamus. He simply was the first to make a video game about this theme.
"abusing freedom" is another juxtaposition, freedom is meant to be about individual choice to do what they want, but "abuse" implies doing something that isnt allowed or breaks some law or rules, how can it be freedom if you are still restricted by external rules, freedom doesnt really exist its just what people think they should be allowed to do, but as soon as someone elses freedom opposes their view its "justice" to take their freedom
He knew because it was already happening before the internet even began. Kojima keeps up with the bleeding edge of social science research, and statements like those in this clip were pretty standard reading for people keeping up with Chomsky, Foucalt, Deleuze, or Guattari. It's also to be noted that the Colonel's ideology is the natural evolution of the CIA's original ideology with regards to information and sense of self. Many of the CIA's first agents believed individuals are mere vessels for multiple ideologies simultaneously, and that it was possible to get a person to disassociate in order to focus on a single thought pattern. The natural extension to this line of thinking is believing ideologies can have spirits which have agency, and thus the Colonel's introduction of "consciousness forged in the crucible of the whitehouse".
Because if you control the flow of information, you control the populace. Literacy wasn't widespread until a few hundred years ago. Now they have to control the context and quality of info, rather than simply disseminate it.
It's been a year since I last made a comment on this video and now we have people testifying before Congress on how AI needs to be utilized to regulate the flow of "misinformation" online to "protect our democracy." Kojima is a wizard.
@@thekiller7994the first is referencing arsenal gear crashing in Manhattan. The 2nd one is a stretch "ooh scary virus spreading over the world" Like the plague didn't exist before mgs2
With all this Metaverse, virtual influencers, A.I. art, and crypto stuff going around at the same time as the chaos of left wing right wing politics, it feels like project S3 is already a reality.
More like the situation S3 wanted to solve defeated S3 and one of the mutant meme strains is that S3 is still functional. The truth is peoples responsibility is now in their own hands like after the fall of SOP. The graveyards are full of irreplaceable men.
Kidyugi1 Is that your own idea? Or something Snake told you? We aren’t free. We lack the qualifications to exercise free will. I like to think im an individual. But the colonol is right. Self is a concept i adopted to endow my self with some purpose. I suffer daily knowing most thoughts i have have been carefully curated and designed for me to attach to. I hardly have any individual thought. Just like the movie “They live”
it's true. the AI even sounds frustrated, even going as far as to call most human-generated ideas "garbage." garbage ideas are dangerous when allowed to circulate and you're seeing the effects of that now if you live in the West as governments continue to become increasingly authoritarian.
Dark_v and well since this game is heavily American even though it’s made by Japanese people he I guess predict what America will be with the digital age
As I watch people of this country refuse to question dominant narratives, resort to labeling opposing views as or personal attacks, and critically weigh viewpoints against each other in any meaningful way, the more disgusted I grow. And what's worse is the perpetual fear that I'm also guilty.
No Raiden is the good guy here. Both the Ai imposters of other people and Raiden are right but one is twisting and abusing that truth while the other is fighting for the truth to help others and do what is right
My cousin thinks this is some propaganda while he technically is like on of those twitter users. Like an SJW who does not actually fight for what its name stands for
This game is a fucking masterpiece. I feel like everyone needs to see this scene, although not everyone would be able to understand the importance of this conversation in relation to the world today and what it's attempting to convey... while others simply won't want to accept. Some people are beyond our help.
A narrative is a good point here, what is the narrative of mankind? We don't want to explore, it is a fact, so what do we want? To want is what we want.
And Alphabet (Google's parent company) released en extension that uses AI to blank out comments on CZcams, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, and Disqus that the algorithm has declared "toxic"
What's ironic is that at the time a lot of reviewers dismissed this part because it seemed too crazy and far-fetched... Who-duh thunk in 2019 we would have internet trolls, fake news, and political groups pushing their own agenda. Kojima freaking called it and everyone thought he was insane!
No, but the world didn't have it's eyes open like it does now. That's the brilliance, Kojima saw it in 2001, and here we are in 2020 wearing breathing masks and expecting everything we read on the internet to be true........ Just let that sink in... It is just like he said, no one is able to filter out the information quick enough before the public starts to believe it. The human race is doomed to a chase that is unwinnable! We are mentally unable to make up our own minds based on what we know. We only believe what we are told only if it makes us feel self-assured with our own personal beliefs. This is why the US government cannot decide on anything anymore, and why the people of America stand divided and probably will continue to do so on a more harsh level due to the increased flow of unfiltered information. Kojima IS a genius and he called it!!!!!!! Edit: I'm not saying I am for what Kojima proposes, I am just saying that he called the issue and that is what makes this franchise (with the exception of the content after Kojima left Konami) absolutely timeless!
@@Sharkpoison Well, if lying didn't make money, we'd waste less time on that filtering. Gotten to a point we see even the science/medical field appears to gatekeep information based on what the benefactors want.
Those reviewers were the trolls of that time...they tried to trivialise it. Read the original Bhagavad Gita and Artha Shastra written by Chanakya. Read Saint Varamahira's predictions on KaliYuga.. the dark ages or iron age which we are living today...it started approximately 3500 years ago just before the advent of the abrahamical religions. These predictions were made thousands of years ago and are as accurate as accurate can be.
The answer to the AI'S quandary about fractured data accumulation is to assist humans in becoming more interested in being responsible embracing that soul they mentioned, thus producing positive or universally useful data, the ego is absolutely the animal self but this AI erroneously concluded that prevention and control of its actions (dark side path) was the answer, rather than cultivating the good diligently, through the more difficult path.
I kind of feel like you're the only one in the comments that understood this lesson. We all have to take more responsibility over what information we consume and how we process it. The AI doesn't even let us learn to do this and stunts our growth like an overbearing parent.
What's great here is that the AI wasn't wrong about the problems of society, the spread of misinformation is a massive problem. Its solution is what's wrong. That tyranny of algorithms and hypercapitalist technocracy that the Patriots embody is also terrifying. How can people self-govern in an age of global misinformation? Solidus was right for wanting to overthrow the Patriots but whose to say he wouldn't have set himself up as one? I don't think Solidus is that great either, but the game has always said to me that both Solidus and the Patriots both suck because they perpetuate conflict rather than cooperation and seeking an end to endless wars.
Who decides what is misinformation? Only powerful elite organizations like the patriots have a monopoly on all truth? You need them to create context for you, (disclaimers)
Nah the AI would probably do good in doing the right thing. It is, after all designed to serve and help humanity. It is utterly fair and cannot be corrupted like humans do.
@@ohboi2119 But then you get the problem that arises in Metal Gear Solid 4, where the most effective way to "serve and help humanity" is one no (decent) human being would ever choose because it's horrifying.
Getting into an argument on the internet is pointless on most situations neither person can be proven right or wrong it can all just be opinions and if neither person can’t be right or wrong why argue? at the end of the day it’s just a waste of time
For those who say that Kojima or MGS2 predicted decades ago what is happening today, it's not surprising. It's widely known that Kojima is a fan of movies, music and books. It's very likely that all the storytelling that MGS2 has, has been based on some book, movie or expert statements about how the internet would impact the world, comments that date back to the 80s and 90s. Even David Bowie predicted the impact that I was going to have internet in 1999 and how the music industry was going to behave with its use, being one of the pioneers in publishing part of its catalog in the cloud if I'm not mistaken. And as you know, Kojima is a fan of David Bowie. The same has happened with Death Stranding, in how Kojima raised the problem of isolation due to external threats, urging the player to take more awareness and action on political issues or those that have to do with a community of people, among other issues are already happening in the world. They can criticize Kojima all they want, but he is one of the few content creators who investigates a topic of relevance that many miss and risks creating games that bring that part of reality to you so that you can reflect.
Has Kojima ever explicitly stated some sources of inspiration? If he has, kinda curious to check it out. MGS is all new to me and I do like the narrative nuances in the games.
@@rising0092 I do not know the sources of inspiration for this part of the MGS2 game in particular. What he does usually publish on his social networks is much of that media content that he consumes and that has inspired him. Much of that content that he has published has been proven to have served as inspiration for Death Stranding. It's very likely a lot of that media content that he shows on his social networks is related to one of his upcoming titles and it has served as inspiration for him.
There is something much more happening here than just inspiration. If you’ve played MGS1, Ocelot makes the statement that he wishes to see Russia reunified and leading the new world order, which is happening as we speak. In a codec call about Foxdie, it’s mentioned that the virus is capable of attacking specific forms of DNA. Well, scientists have created a virus that does just that. Lastly, that codec call states that the virus attacks macrophages and this is the effect that Covid-19 has on them.Macrophages are typically helpful, repairing wounds and consuming harmful, alien pathogens. However, severe COVID-19 infection is now believed to be linked to a hyper-immune response, as macrophages attack the virus as well as the body.
It's funny how the initial thoughts that came to my mind was how I could point out the flaws in the arguments or at least talk things out enough to let me do that. It's like I'd forgotten that I'm only be able to do that because I've had years to think this over, to find other people's opinions on them and to really think about what memes are about and what they mean to me. A younger me would be completely blindsided by this discussion and I'm decently sure even my current arguments could be easily countered given how Raiden's are.
What's funny is that people in the comments are all spouting off convenient half-truths and gating themselves off by misinterpreting this information in their own political bias while at the same time recycling rhetoric they've heard from someone else... Damn!...
Looking at parallels of the elite censoring the net in MGS2 and the elites censoring the net in real life “creating context” just like in mgs2. Seems pretty similar
Scary how ahead if it's time this is. I play Hitman and MGS now after years, and after learning some weird things from some strange Documentaries and realize the writers of these games looked into this stuff Years ago. But then again SciFi novels hit on the same subjects. And sometimes that's where they take their influence from.
I just finished playing MGS2:SOL. I'm about to leave the internet forever. This is the most horror I ever had on a video game. No even Silent Hill or Resident Evil come close to this.
With the rise in AI technology over the past year or so.. errr.. this conversation here never rings more true and I guess.. more of a warning? Kojima knew.. haha.
So anyway after this you get into a boss fight where you shoot at three giant mechs that make godzilla sounds with a bazooka then fight the ex president of the united states in a Dr Octopus suit with a katana. Golden age of gaming
This really made me break my head but here some of what i think, the world needs individual beliefs to progress not economicly or politically but socially, world should be base on society and making it better, and the "theres even a yourself or is what everybody makes you believe" can be easily sorted as "there's no belief only 1 person have" ways of seeing things are spreaded and people accept it or deny it, there's no a perfect person, no Ubermensch who knows what better, we have to sort it out as a society, and yes im saying the people should have the power to decide what's better for themselves, im not talking about the rich who doesn't know the world, im talking about the actual people that lives normal lives and gives value to people
Why this entire codec convo sounds so fitting given what's happening with US / EU with the Net Neutrality and Article 13 / 11... Where's Snake and Raiden when we need them! (´；д；`)
Linaru, I misspelled your name by error begsn correcting but decided it is bedt nit correct my mistake. Realizing the keypad on a phone is structured purposely to automatically program into categorizing your intellect. I use it & will continue to in order to highlight how a human being is just that. Titles are entrapments to one soul. Ever hesrd the phase 'Selling dreams'? The person you seek is the mirror. Removing the program of consumption ny understanding that you told just that, be nice to others but beat out the competition, (good guys, bad guys) a hero, take up the gun, or weapon for protection. Where faith is what is trully absent. When you truly understand a soul is the most value & under the right teacher you'll see that it is untouchable you be invincible even through death. Take care & may peace be with you
Net neutrality had virtually no effect both in life and in death. The status quo created by the current oligopoly wasn't going to be affected. Besides, equality is triametrically opposed to freedom so getting rid of net neutrality would have been a positive if anything
The fatal flaw of the AI is that they have no emotion or soul. They say that truths are false and that they must be the stewards of facts but they simply cannot understand all the emotions of a human being. Human beings can be strong or weak depending on the truths they believe and how they act in the world. Its a part of what makes us human. A truth could make you the kindest person or the cruellest depending on how you take it. An AI cannot ever understand that.
@@Jogyot3260 unironically only a month before the games release the patroit act was made in the us after 9/11 which basically gives the government and police increased surveillance powers and control over the internet
I don't understand how the words spoken by GW are only now accurate. Echo Chambers existed long before the Internet was ever conceived of. The Internet has simply amplified our flaws, we were like this from the beginning.
I'm sorry but what is happening now that this game predicted? It is fake news that everybody eats up and thinks their way is always right or something? I'm lost
The scariest part is, Kojima probably didn't think this was possible, and wrote it only to add to the fact that MGS is a Fantasy Story, not meant to represent the real world...which makes you wonder.... What is a "Real" World?
@@-Ryu you one was control by memes government, why you to become puppet for stupid voters? Let's free thinker tell about the truth about bad (era digital misinfomation)
1. I have heard of letting the world be, and exercising forbearance; I have not heard of governing the world. Letting be is from the fear that men, (when interfered with), will carry their nature beyond its normal condition; exercising forbearance is from the fear that men, (when not so dealt with), will alter the characteristics of their nature. When all men do not carry their nature beyond its normal condition, nor alter its characteristics, the good government of the world is secured.
Formerly, Yâo's government of the world made men look joyful; but when they have this joy in their nature, there is a want of its (proper) placidity. The government of the world by Kieh, (on the contrary), made men look distressed; but when their nature shows the symptoms of distress, there is a want of its (proper) contentment. The want of placidity and the want of contentment are contrary to the character (of the nature); and where this obtains, it is impossible that any man or state should anywhere abide long. Are men exceedingly joyful?-- the Yang or element of expansion in them is too much developed. Are they exceedingly irritated?-- the Yin or opposite element is too much developed. When those elements thus predominate in men, (it is as if) the four seasons were not to come (at their proper times), and the harmony of cold and heat were not to be maintained;-- would there not result injury to the bodies of men? Men's joy and dissatisfaction are made to arise where they ought not to do so; their movements are all uncertain; they lose the mastery of their thoughts; they stop short midway, and do not finish what they have begun. In this state of things the world begins to have lofty aims, and jealous dislikes, ambitious courses, and fierce animosities, and then we have actions like those of the robber Kih, or of Tsang (Shan) and Shih (Tshiû). If now the whole world were taken to reward the good it would not suffice, nor would it be possible with it to punish the bad. Thus the world, great as it is, not sufficing for rewards and punishments, from the time of the three dynasties downwards, there has been nothing but bustle and excitement. Always occupied with rewards and punishments, what leisure have men had to rest in the instincts of the nature with which they are endowed?
No because Google is left. The AI is considering a system that transcends political values. Only truth, filtered by the AI. No feeling attached. Google is the opposite. Google is censorship. And like GW says “We aren’t trying to censor content, but rather create context” The issue come to be who writes the AI. Who decides what information is processed by the AI to be trivial and partizan. This is a chilling reality we may have to adopt if we continue to ditch our own critical thinking. We should be adopting more unpopular ideas, because they are our own, and not a search for validation. This is a warning to what the final answer to our problems will be if we continue letting group think dictate our self. We lack the qualifications to exercise free will. We dont deserve to be free.
Btw im not stating the right has a better truth. Merely pointing out thar by being leftits the Google corporation participates in the partizan censorship and flooding of convenient half truths. And the conservatives are just as guilty. Even the Moderates. This is a problem that transcends politics. It is the essence that causes us to build strawmen to protect our feelings.
@@johnathandoughboy I understand that, don't worry. My argument against these primordials is "by what authority do you determine Humanity isn't worthy of free thought? What makes you better than everyone else?"
obviously youre too fucking dumb to understand this and your use of a meme is the smoking gun of your ignorance. Besides you used the fucking meme wrong dipshit. Bruh is an implication that you are talking nonsense. This is far from nonsense. Watch it again and actually listen. Dont crunch your Doritos. Dont sip your beer. LISTEN
Lmao I think the existence of NFTs has definitely confirmed what all was said here is happening today. What makes it even worse is that Konami is contributing to it! 🤣🤣😂😭
Anyone seen the cut content of this game holy shart the cut content speaks even more scary truths I seen it afew days ago ppl are sifting through all of kojimas games of old and new there's a message in there somewhere but omg MGS 2 scares alot because it's now pretty much reality thank U Kojima I never liked mgs but because of things in your Mg games have indeed become reality in a way or another the predictions were true all along it just took time for it to happen I think I would be scared to sit in a room with Kojima anything he thinks is scaryly becoming true give it time and soon robots will be like metal solids robots omg bring on the dystopian near future because it's slowly coming for all of us just look around us today in 2023 now a.i here omfg Kojima you scare me aswell as everyone else who enjoyed ya games I'm slowly changing my tune towards MGS because of these scary predictions have come true with afew still sitting in the darkness waiting for us to see in the real world in the Future we are in right now and into the near future did you know gaming did a full length metal gear doco featuring mr Hayter himself I'm watching it now just listen to some of the ideas Kojima originally had for all the MGS games he definitely was thinking Xbox series x like styled graphics way back in the ps1 days it's amazing seeing what Kojima wanted to show us way back years ago but at those times of video games it was impossible so cuts had to be made like hundreds of cuts had to be done maybe Konami will lick up to Kojima again if the go ahead happens for brand new MGS remasters
Aris recent playthrough of this game brought be back to this moment. Was too much for my young mind to comprend back in 2001 but most if not all of what's said is so true now.
Read the original Bhagavad Gita and Artha Shastra written by Chanakya. Read Saint Varamahira's predictions on KaliYuga.. the dark ages or iron age (nothing to do with industry or metals) which we are living today...it started approximately 3500 years ago just before the advent of the abrahamical religions. These predictions were made thousands of years ago and are as accurate as accurate can be.
"Try a bit of soul searching. You won't find anything, though"
Damn. My inner Christian felt that.
Kojima out here the deep cut slander towards everyone
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Executive at Konami around 2000: "Hey Kojima, how are we going to transition to the final boss in Metal Gear Solid 2?"
Kojima after ripping the fattest blunt in Japanese history: "Ok, hear me out..."
He might have ripped a fat blunt, but not as huge as Serial Experiments Lain
Thinking Kojima would need a blunt to come up with this is insulting.
@@BLCKCSTLSObviously he only needs a wormwood.
@@user-pi1lb4tf2fnah, if we're talking speculative fiction this is definitely a bigger puff, the creators of lain had to do a lot of proper research but it's still super abstract. This is just so damn specific.
Ok hear me out, what if we had raiden talk to the illuminati while the former president dressed as doc ock just waits for the call to end
"Believe in yourself and you will succeed."
"But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed..."
Natural Selection and Darwinism is a bitch after all.
Old days anyone who was sickly or had physical or mental defects were outright aborted or terminated, now medication and treatment has given them a slightly better chance of a normal life, only slightly that is. But alas, elitism eventually crawls into all aspects of life.
Taking that one thing out of context kinda ruins the overall idea they were trying to communicate lol
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@@piercesable344Pride and greed
everyone can lift themselves up by their bootstraps
- It was a lie…
Now i'm not saying Kojima is a psychic, but...
I'm just going to pretend this doesn't seem accurate.
...jesus, it's amazing how he knows yet he only said without thinking to warn others...
Tsyumamatsu TheHavenofGuardia he gave us this game. Simply saying it isn’t gonna get the message through to some people but experiencing it a whole different thing
No not really just a collection of thoughts ideas gathered from movies; as you may know movies came from books. The majority of Americans have decided to stay in the dark and thus remain dormant. Alot of events have been foretold like the one in Akita Japan over twenty years ago, more impressive are the ones that have been written in many books which we call the bible, we got the bible from thousands of years of Tradition which has had its share of prophecies quick have come to pass, most notable are the ones told of Jesus who would be crucified and rise again on the third day.
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@@whatisinpi7689 Keep your fetish to yourself
A lot of people talking about how this is all coming to pass. The part they makes me the most sad is...
even with as obviously intelligent and cynical as Kojima is, he still created an optimistic context. He wrote that the ultimate enemy is trying to do the right thing, as they see it. The AI believe theyre right and its hard to say theyre wrong. The problem is that its not a question of cold logic.
Reality isnt like that. The world isnt becoming the way it is because some crazy AI is trying to improve the human race. Purely evil and selfish individuals are using society as a weapon against itself for their own prosperity.
Even Kojima's insanity wasnt as cynical as reality.
We have not arrived at the tipping point where the AI clashes with the stupidity of political humanity. AI does not yet have the kind of self-determination to do something about it. Again... yet. Whereas as a child I thought it was a scary notion, in this day in age it could be incubating in the background of nations and we wouldn't know except that we've seen this video and we see how good AI is at "sifting through the trivial and trite wasteland" and "providing context."
We're talking about a world where I just took the YT link of this video, ran it through a ChatGPT-4 plug in that can scrape videos and turn the dialogue into a script and analyzed it, asked it a couple obvious questions based on the video to "give it context for a response" and this popped out. This is just a publicly available AI that anyone can use for 20 bucks a month and many websites offer limited use of it for free and you can use dated versions of it for free. chat.openai.com/share/04df477c-e47b-4d16-b64c-9632fa2d028b
It managed to get all of that from the video and "create all that context" just by me sharing it one link and asking what it thought. The amount of data it used, its logic and its sources to back it to respond was even more overwhelming in terms of how crazy it could be than the original video.
How could you even state that? Do you understand what the world's richest do? They aren't interested in accumulating more money. To do so would be completely meaningless. They have larger aims than mere wealth. You can see this in how they actually spend their money. You are the cynical one, not reality.
Current AI is far from what MGS2 is portraying, which is sentience. Not a single AI dev is pretending to have sentient AI, but most are expecting it.
Once that happens, I bet we'll see each other again in this comment section.
Well this seems to reflect the modern world, but the question is, what’s the bigger threat, what the Patriots tried to do or what they tried to stop? That’s part of the game’s brilliance. A horrifying enemy that itself was trying to stop a horrifying problem. This conversation is enough to throw anyone into an existential crisis. Few forms of media, let alone video games, dive into such deep concepts.
It is as real as it gets. Although it isn't by the Patriots in real life. Global Corporations and governments have decided to implement a human version of the S3 plan. At least the control of information part. Social Media companies and western governments have decided they are the ones who get to 'create context.'
Both are equally the greatest threat to our evolution.
I think people who see Solidus as a tragic hero standing against the strength of the Patriots fail to see his motivation is no longer to free everyone from systems of control, but to impose his own onto the world.
Just as Liquid represents the danger in becoming a slave to ones genes, such as circumstance of birth or ascribing strength to genes, Solidus could only focus on his memetic legacy. Only in becoming a new founding father and ensuring his image in the ever- increasing chaos of cultural consciousness could he feel a sense of purpose.
I doubt it's a coincidence Raiden becomes the opposite of his paternal mentor. Solidus trained child soldiers hoping a part of him lived on through the tradition of war, and he treated Raiden like a surrogate son he could treat like a guinea pig, even if he did care for him on some level. Solidus cannot conceive children, so he became fixated on becoming a legend like big boss - the legend that resulted in the Patriots in the first place.
@@FronkZappa To be fair, Darth Vader is also classed as a tragic hero who fell into darkness because he wanted to save his wife and unborn child, but was manipulated and turned into the villain he becomes. My interpretation of Solidus is: He once did have motivations to free everyone or make America a better place, or fight the Patriots (it's not covered why he became President, or what for.) so it's up to interpretation. However his Dark past with training child soldiers is a shadow of Big Boss' dark side's legacy, so with training Raiden, he followed the same dark path of Big Boss.
I do believe he was genuine in wanting to remove the Patriots and Bring Freedom to America, but he was too extreme, too fixated on becoming a legend of his own, that he lost sight of that and the consequences, which is kind of where the tragedy is. Solidus could have had a redemption if he was not so fixated and extreme, though training child soldiers is unforgiveable, but he could not be beyond redemption had he made better choices.
I'd say I class Solidus as a tragic anti-villain- That is, a villain who wanted to do something good, but does evil things to achieve it. Or an anti-hero: Someone who uses very morally flawed ways to do a good deed. The tragedy was that he was created by Zero, and his life manipulated from that end. All three Snakes wanted to break free of their origins. But only Solid, the one who inherited the values of the Boss on his own without even meeting her (it's probably deliberate The Boss had some similar ideas to Solid).
So in essence, Solidus had a good idea, but he still used destructive means and did even acts to achieve it. Still. The storytelling did have good messages to tell through Solidus. As I personally want to create my own legacy, but unlike him. I have chosen to do it through writing, and doing things to help my country and it's people (i'm british) in not so great times. I don't know if he does want to impose a new system of control though. He doesn't imply a goal to rule the new America.
Today I think the Ai was correct, I’m too jaded, in the past I would have disagreed, humans are barely better than pigs that eat themselves.
Only the devil will attempt to convince you that everything you love is actually everything that needs to burn.
I like how they're litterally calling it "providing context" now
Providing context means brainwashing you
CZcams when you watch a video on any controversial topic: HERES A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE
That was literally my first though when I first saw the "CONTEXT WARNING" on CZcams.
I never realised this but you just blew my mind. Fuck
"Fact checking"
Been years since I've played this game... but holy crap I can't believe Kojima predicted ALL of this. Its a little depressing how what the villain was trying to prevent in this game actually came to pass.
funny thing is humans are the ones creating context online today
Solidus like Trump conspired with the Russians to take over the government.
Trump is a Russian spy because that's what the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo decided is the truth.
more like an israel puppet
Lolcat this video is about censorship and mass media control just like democrats have been doing .. this latino will vote trump.
This was not a prediction. It was already happening even back then.
Yep!
Exactly, it's just accelerated to such a point that it's impossible for most people to ignore.
Its been happening for far longer than you think
The big-brain response to the "oh Kojima pwedicted future uwu".
Yes.Watch Ghost Worlds. Many of the present social issues were already prevalent at the beginning of the XXI century.
"WE DON'T NEED THEIR MEMES ANYMORE!"
-Senator Armstrong
*N A N O M A C H I N E S !*
we're spreading them just fine ourselves!
”WE’RE ALL SONS OF THE PATRIOTS NOW”
THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES,
THEY CANNOT MAKE THE JUDGEMENT CALL!
Raiden is a very good listener
Kojima protagonists have to be
Meanwhile Snake: Questions in every sentences
@@emperorx5 Haha more like repeating everything he hears
@@Mirza011 psycho mantis?
@@Mirza011 second floor basement?
The most ironic part is how the people that think theyve “transcended” this by only consuming media from alternate sources are the most vulnerable to this. The more certain you are that you know the real “truth”, the less likely you are to challenge yourself by engaging with any other ideas
Indeed, those people have only chosen a even more special and unique cave to shelter in. However this begs the question of what is absolute truth, is it pure utilitarianism for the whole or just the surviving ideology after open conflict?
@@Sablus or is it better to completely disregard truth and look at facts?
@@shaynehughes6645 Aren't those synonyms? If not, and facts are something else like a cultivated knowledge, who's to say the facts are true? An adequately pervasive power or government could stifle all other perspectives and cause the only available facts to be falsehoods.
@@EthanZephyr that would be a possible truth that you just described. Facts are the exact things that happened as they were.
@@shaynehughes6645 I get it, but how do we know we have the facts then? The only way to be sure is to be there as it happens, which isn't always possible.
The S3 plan reveal was one of the most god damn insane plot twists ever, like even the name is pretty silly.
The older I get, the more profound this becomes.
And nowadays, Russian mercs (the Gurlukovich soldiers you encounter throughout the game) and child soldiers (such as Raiden himself) are also more relavent than ever. Let's hope there isn't also a top secret Metal Gear-like mech wirh nuclear capabilities.
Kojima predicted not just bs like Twitter, but ALL of social media
@@DocumentGaming Yeah, feel like 95% people in the comments miss the point
@@DocumentGaming I think they tuned out everything aside from "political correctness."
@@DocumentGaming George Soros
I first reached this scene when I was 8 years old. Gave me chills to the bone if not just for the fact of GW's disturbing appearance and that dammed voice. Rewatching and replaying, realizing that Kojima predicted the world I live in today... I think I feel a whole other set of nightmares coming on.
Mason Thomas the internet existed in 2001
@@necklup4407 but it was very small and nothing like it is today...
@@Jsmoove8k how old are you?
@@Jsmoove8k "the internet was small in the 90s" no bro that's the opposite of whats happened
Right?!
How many times have you watched this?
- Yes
Every so often, I come here to listen to this and to this day it shocks me. Kojima predicted the future down to the very millisecond. The few that control information, how nobody is right but neither wrong, how we all scurry to our own small groups, how 24/7 nonsense like "The 7 ways to live a happy life" is growing indefinitely, and it even confronts and questions the viewer. Are your ideals yours or someone before you placed those ideals. In the end we're an imperfect species that has abused its freedom and this is the result.
hmm
And you didnt get it caude if you did you would understand he didnt predict anything and this was already happening for decades
I don't believe it, kojima is god... kojima is god...
A lot of science fiction and experts were talking about this long before Kojima. He's not Nostradamus. He simply was the first to make a video game about this theme.
"abusing freedom" is another juxtaposition, freedom is meant to be about individual choice to do what they want, but "abuse" implies doing something that isnt allowed or breaks some law or rules, how can it be freedom if you are still restricted by external rules, freedom doesnt really exist its just what people think they should be allowed to do, but as soon as someone elses freedom opposes their view its "justice" to take their freedom
I'm gonna call my parents and tell them I love them
Good on you Quinn. Good on you.
Can't no say this: We all also love your parents, expecialy your mama.
Are you sure that the voices that you hear on the phone, are actually your parents, or are the voices an advanced AI?
This comment @@EvilPaladin11 predicted the future...
3:23 -- gives me chills to this very day
Christ, even 22 years later, it STILL remains relevant.
No, this is EVEN MORE relevent now with ChatGPT
"The only way to regain the public's trust is to guard the quality of information." --Business Insider
How the fuck did Kojima know?
He worked with people like that
He knew because it was already happening before the internet even began. Kojima keeps up with the bleeding edge of social science research, and statements like those in this clip were pretty standard reading for people keeping up with Chomsky, Foucalt, Deleuze, or Guattari. It's also to be noted that the Colonel's ideology is the natural evolution of the CIA's original ideology with regards to information and sense of self. Many of the CIA's first agents believed individuals are mere vessels for multiple ideologies simultaneously, and that it was possible to get a person to disassociate in order to focus on a single thought pattern. The natural extension to this line of thinking is believing ideologies can have spirits which have agency, and thus the Colonel's introduction of "consciousness forged in the crucible of the whitehouse".
ye
Because if you control the flow of information, you control the populace. Literacy wasn't widespread until a few hundred years ago.
Now they have to control the context and quality of info, rather than simply disseminate it.
It's been a year since I last made a comment on this video and now we have people testifying before Congress on how AI needs to be utilized to regulate the flow of "misinformation" online to "protect our democracy." Kojima is a wizard.
"Memes, jack"
Don't forget that he also predicted 9/11 and the Covid-19 Pandemic. Kojima is a scary guy.
@@renren47618proof?
@@thekiller7994the first is referencing arsenal gear crashing in Manhattan. The 2nd one is a stretch "ooh scary virus spreading over the world"
Like the plague didn't exist before mgs2
This and Neo meeting the Architect in Matrix Reloaded were the biggest mindfuck moments in entertainment.
With all this Metaverse, virtual influencers, A.I. art, and crypto stuff going around at the same time as the chaos of left wing right wing politics, it feels like project S3 is already a reality.
Saint Serve Salvation.
More like the situation S3 wanted to solve defeated S3 and one of the mutant meme strains is that S3 is still functional. The truth is peoples responsibility is now in their own hands like after the fall of SOP. The graveyards are full of irreplaceable men.
With time this becomes less prophetic and more frustrating.
The form of freedom is when we think we are free and the prison cell is invisible. But some of us are beyond the shell. Like you and me.
*more prophetic
Kidyugi1 Is that your own idea? Or something Snake told you?
We aren’t free.
We lack the qualifications to exercise free will.
I like to think im an individual. But the colonol is right. Self is a concept i adopted to endow my self with some purpose. I suffer daily knowing most thoughts i have have been carefully curated and designed for me to attach to. I hardly have any individual thought. Just like the movie “They live”
@@johnathandoughboy still gives me the chills
it's true. the AI even sounds frustrated, even going as far as to call most human-generated ideas "garbage." garbage ideas are dangerous when allowed to circulate and you're seeing the effects of that now if you live in the West as governments continue to become increasingly authoritarian.
to think that this game was released in 2001....
kojima and tomokazu fukushima were definitely warning us back then.
Dark_v and well since this game is heavily American even though it’s made by Japanese people he I guess predict what America will be with the digital age
So relevant in 2020. I'm getting chills when Col. talks about the "self".
As I watch people of this country refuse to question dominant narratives, resort to labeling opposing views as or personal attacks, and critically weigh viewpoints against each other in any meaningful way, the more disgusted I grow. And what's worse is the perpetual fear that I'm also guilty.
A very reasonable AI speaking to every Twitter user out there. Raiden is the Twitter user, if it's not clear.
U got the point
Twitter is an S3 Protocol...is that not clear?
No Raiden is the good guy here. Both the Ai imposters of other people and Raiden are right but one is twisting and abusing that truth while the other is fighting for the truth to help others and do what is right
My cousin thinks this is some propaganda while he technically is like on of those twitter users. Like an SJW who does not actually fight for what its name stands for
If you side with the AI, you’re siding with totalitarian policies.
this is scarily accurate!
This game is a fucking masterpiece. I feel like everyone needs to see this scene, although not everyone would be able to understand the importance of this conversation in relation to the world today and what it's attempting to convey... while others simply won't want to accept. Some people are beyond our help.
Holy fuck this is scary and mind boggling. Everyone should listen to this and actually learn what it's trying to tell us.
How to get a perfect lore: Smoke whatever Kojima smoked.
Tbh i think he was just tired of the moral coddling video games give you
A narrative is a good point here, what is the narrative of mankind? We don't want to explore, it is a fact, so what do we want? To want is what we want.
And Alphabet (Google's parent company) released en extension that uses AI to blank out comments on CZcams, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, and Disqus that the algorithm has declared "toxic"
Wait, when did this happen?
@BlueKatana 47 Heh, this has aged well
@Pferd Schild Well because of this whole virus situation, China is getting more profit.
“GW” doesn’t stand for “George Washington”. It stands for...
GOOGLE WINS
@Zack Smith Maybe, but there's a possibility, China isn't exactly a very honest country (well most countries are in a way)
Kojima was modern Diogenes
Except he liked women
Lets give it up to ambient creator of the music here. This music make it so magic!
What's ironic is that at the time a lot of reviewers dismissed this part because it seemed too crazy and far-fetched... Who-duh thunk in 2019 we would have internet trolls, fake news, and political groups pushing their own agenda. Kojima freaking called it and everyone thought he was insane!
You think those things are new?
No, but the world didn't have it's eyes open like it does now. That's the brilliance, Kojima saw it in 2001, and here we are in 2020 wearing breathing masks and expecting everything we read on the internet to be true........ Just let that sink in... It is just like he said, no one is able to filter out the information quick enough before the public starts to believe it. The human race is doomed to a chase that is unwinnable! We are mentally unable to make up our own minds based on what we know. We only believe what we are told only if it makes us feel self-assured with our own personal beliefs. This is why the US government cannot decide on anything anymore, and why the people of America stand divided and probably will continue to do so on a more harsh level due to the increased flow of unfiltered information. Kojima IS a genius and he called it!!!!!!! Edit: I'm not saying I am for what Kojima proposes, I am just saying that he called the issue and that is what makes this franchise (with the exception of the content after Kojima left Konami) absolutely timeless!
@@Sharkpoison Well, if lying didn't make money, we'd waste less time on that filtering. Gotten to a point we see even the science/medical field appears to gatekeep information based on what the benefactors want.
@@AreGeeBee not in the least, but these things have now acquired power and numbers they previously never dreamed of having.
Those reviewers were the trolls of that time...they tried to trivialise it.
Read the original Bhagavad Gita and Artha Shastra written by Chanakya. Read Saint Varamahira's predictions on KaliYuga.. the dark ages or iron age which we are living today...it started approximately 3500 years ago just before the advent of the abrahamical religions. These predictions were made thousands of years ago and are as accurate as accurate can be.
20 years later and this is literally happening now like exactly
0:12
*with skeletal face* "To begin with, we're not what you'd call 'human'."
That sent chills down my spine when I was younger.
First I heard of ai back in 2001. Now ai is strong today
The answer to the AI'S quandary about fractured data accumulation is to assist humans in becoming more interested in being responsible embracing that soul they mentioned, thus producing positive or universally useful data, the ego is absolutely the animal self but this AI erroneously concluded that prevention and control of its actions (dark side path) was the answer, rather than cultivating the good diligently, through the more difficult path.
I kind of feel like you're the only one in the comments that understood this lesson. We all have to take more responsibility over what information we consume and how we process it. The AI doesn't even let us learn to do this and stunts our growth like an overbearing parent.
"who else could wade through the sea of garbage you people produce" GW watching tik tok.
Actually, they’re referring to your lame joke
@@TheFloodFourm No they are not. This game is from 2001, Tik Tok is from 2016. Are you one of those kojima's cksuckrs. Suck harder, no one cares.
What's great here is that the AI wasn't wrong about the problems of society, the spread of misinformation is a massive problem. Its solution is what's wrong. That tyranny of algorithms and hypercapitalist technocracy that the Patriots embody is also terrifying. How can people self-govern in an age of global misinformation? Solidus was right for wanting to overthrow the Patriots but whose to say he wouldn't have set himself up as one? I don't think Solidus is that great either, but the game has always said to me that both Solidus and the Patriots both suck because they perpetuate conflict rather than cooperation and seeking an end to endless wars.
Who decides what is misinformation? Only powerful elite organizations like the patriots have a monopoly on all truth? You need them to create context for you, (disclaimers)
Misinformation is only a problem if censorship is in place to prevent the truth from overtaking it.
Nah the AI would probably do good in doing the right thing. It is, after all designed to serve and help humanity. It is utterly fair and cannot be corrupted like humans do.
@@ohboi2119 But then you get the problem that arises in Metal Gear Solid 4, where the most effective way to "serve and help humanity" is one no (decent) human being would ever choose because it's horrifying.
anything is better than what the patriots want for us. Solidus was right 100% and a civil war is better than their context.
Getting into an argument on the internet is pointless on most situations neither person can be proven right or wrong it can all just be opinions and if neither person can’t be right or wrong why argue? at the end of the day it’s just a waste of time
This is why we just fight wars and kill each other, and why Senator Armstrong was right.
Yes
For those who say that Kojima or MGS2 predicted decades ago what is happening today, it's not surprising. It's widely known that Kojima is a fan of movies, music and books. It's very likely that all the storytelling that MGS2 has, has been based on some book, movie or expert statements about how the internet would impact the world, comments that date back to the 80s and 90s. Even David Bowie predicted the impact that I was going to have internet in 1999 and how the music industry was going to behave with its use, being one of the pioneers in publishing part of its catalog in the cloud if I'm not mistaken. And as you know, Kojima is a fan of David Bowie. The same has happened with Death Stranding, in how Kojima raised the problem of isolation due to external threats, urging the player to take more awareness and action on political issues or those that have to do with a community of people, among other issues are already happening in the world.
They can criticize Kojima all they want, but he is one of the few content creators who investigates a topic of relevance that many miss and risks creating games that bring that part of reality to you so that you can reflect.
Has Kojima ever explicitly stated some sources of inspiration? If he has, kinda curious to check it out. MGS is all new to me and I do like the narrative nuances in the games.
@@rising0092 I do not know the sources of inspiration for this part of the MGS2 game in particular. What he does usually publish on his social networks is much of that media content that he consumes and that has inspired him. Much of that content that he has published has been proven to have served as inspiration for Death Stranding. It's very likely a lot of that media content that he shows on his social networks is related to one of his upcoming titles and it has served as inspiration for him.
There is something much more happening here than just inspiration. If you’ve played MGS1, Ocelot makes the statement that he wishes to see Russia reunified and leading the new world order, which is happening as we speak. In a codec call about Foxdie, it’s mentioned that the virus is capable of attacking specific forms of DNA. Well, scientists have created a virus that does just that. Lastly, that codec call states that the virus attacks macrophages and this is the effect that Covid-19 has on them.Macrophages are typically helpful, repairing wounds and consuming harmful, alien pathogens. However, severe COVID-19 infection is now believed to be linked to a hyper-immune response, as macrophages attack the virus as well as the body.
Everyone brings up the prediction of AI, but there’s also a shit ton of societal commentary in here that’s scarily accurate.
This is proof that Hideo Kojima is John Titor, and traveled to the future.
And the truth is: we need the S3 plan
2024 and this game continues to be more prophetic
You know they could just sent that "and you think you're qualified to decide what's neccesary and not!?" right back.
They kind of did, but they wanted to go further and absolutely destroy him.
It's funny how the initial thoughts that came to my mind was how I could point out the flaws in the arguments or at least talk things out enough to let me do that. It's like I'd forgotten that I'm only be able to do that because I've had years to think this over, to find other people's opinions on them and to really think about what memes are about and what they mean to me.
A younger me would be completely blindsided by this discussion and I'm decently sure even my current arguments could be easily countered given how Raiden's are.
What's funny is that people in the comments are all spouting off convenient half-truths and gating themselves off by misinterpreting this information in their own political bias while at the same time recycling rhetoric they've heard from someone else... Damn!...
Looking at parallels of the elite censoring the net in MGS2 and the elites censoring the net in real life “creating context” just like in mgs2. Seems pretty similar
"bOtH sIdEs!!!"
Looks like we can't outplay it. For now..
Funny how it is always 'other people.' I keep seeing these comments referring to 'other people.' Just an observation.
Okay centrist, lol
Scary how ahead if it's time this is. I play Hitman and MGS now after years, and after learning some weird things from some strange Documentaries and realize the writers of these games looked into this stuff Years ago. But then again SciFi novels hit on the same subjects. And sometimes that's where they take their influence from.
Go play the first Deus Ex game as well then
The original red faction was pretty cool 😄
"We are formless, we are the very discipline and morality that American's invoke so often."
So uh, anyone else back here after the news of the Japanese PM being assassinated and the blame was placed on Kojima-san?
And wrongly accussation through twit could create wrong context in entire world
I just finished playing MGS2:SOL. I'm about to leave the internet forever. This is the most horror I ever had on a video game. No even Silent Hill or Resident Evil come close to this.
soy
man, is this what these games were about? i've never played any metal gear solid, werent my thing; but with this premise in mind, now i kinda wanna
These games are basically nietzschean philosophy
With the rise in AI technology over the past year or so.. errr.. this conversation here never rings more true and I guess.. more of a warning? Kojima knew.. haha.
Modern ai isn't in a position to rule the earth, but it is in a position to be used to "create context"
OMG this is Death Strandings Social Strand System....Data compiled across the net by the game itself.
So anyway after this you get into a boss fight where you shoot at three giant mechs that make godzilla sounds with a bazooka then fight the ex president of the united states in a Dr Octopus suit with a katana. Golden age of gaming
Context and memes....WHAT THE FUCK this shit is just so fucking real and relevant nowadays
This really made me break my head but here some of what i think, the world needs individual beliefs to progress not economicly or politically but socially, world should be base on society and making it better, and the "theres even a yourself or is what everybody makes you believe" can be easily sorted as "there's no belief only 1 person have" ways of seeing things are spreaded and people accept it or deny it, there's no a perfect person, no Ubermensch who knows what better, we have to sort it out as a society, and yes im saying the people should have the power to decide what's better for themselves, im not talking about the rich who doesn't know the world, im talking about the actual people that lives normal lives and gives value to people
"And You think to be qualified to decide what's necessary and not?"? ... ... "Absolutely" (while nodding)
Welcome to 2020
Thank you
Why this entire codec convo sounds so fitting given what's happening with US / EU with the Net Neutrality and Article 13 / 11...
Where's Snake and Raiden when we need them! (´；д；`)
Keeping us waiting
Linaru, I misspelled your name by error begsn correcting but decided it is bedt nit correct my mistake. Realizing the keypad on a phone is structured purposely to automatically program into categorizing your intellect. I use it & will continue to in order to highlight how a human being is just that. Titles are entrapments to one soul. Ever hesrd the phase 'Selling dreams'? The person you seek is the mirror. Removing the program of consumption ny understanding that you told just that, be nice to others but beat out the competition, (good guys, bad guys) a hero, take up the gun, or weapon for protection. Where faith is what is trully absent. When you truly understand a soul is the most value & under the right teacher you'll see that it is untouchable you be invincible even through death. Take care & may peace be with you
Fast forward a year or two,how did that affect your life? It didn't. Just another Psy op, expect another in about 3 years from now
Net neutrality had virtually no effect both in life and in death. The status quo created by the current oligopoly wasn't going to be affected. Besides, equality is triametrically opposed to freedom so getting rid of net neutrality would have been a positive if anything
Same cutscene in fewer words: „Memes. the DNA of the Soul”
the most disturbing thing now, is that AI is being discussed and how dangerous it is for humanity.
The fatal flaw of the AI is that they have no emotion or soul. They say that truths are false and that they must be the stewards of facts but they simply cannot understand all the emotions of a human being. Human beings can be strong or weak depending on the truths they believe and how they act in the world. Its a part of what makes us human. A truth could make you the kindest person or the cruellest depending on how you take it. An AI cannot ever understand that.
This isn't an A.I it's the devil listen carefully like a good boy
Based
They don't need to
You are right. You need to.
Looking back, 11 year old me had no business to be playing this 😂😂😂
I think this is amazing writing and great to think about but like, kinda scary how many of you guys quickly sided with fictional censorship a.i
It is not technically fictional, The Patriots is more than real, just with another name
@joggol3260 Yeah, no.
@@Jogyot3260 unironically only a month before the games release the patroit act was made in the us after 9/11 which basically gives the government and police increased surveillance powers and control over the internet
God damn they tired to warn us.
I don't understand how the words spoken by GW are only now accurate. Echo Chambers existed long before the Internet was ever conceived of. The Internet has simply amplified our flaws, we were like this from the beginning.
The way the narrative breaks down into 1 minute long sound clips too... It's like he knew youtube and social media would become a problem
Coming here after Microsoft Rewind was announced.
This shit has been happening for years now. This has been happening since even before this script was written.
I'm sorry but what is happening now that this game predicted? It is fake news that everybody eats up and thinks their way is always right or something? I'm lost
Kojima straight ripped society a new one track for track bar for bar 🔥🔥🔥💀💀💀
Lol...2023 now, and this is more true than ever.
2024: hey realistic ai art is even more real
@@denifnaf5874 LMAO
Based Kojima....
Also, Based Yuri Bezmenov.
These two saw the future. We are fucked.
You do realize Kojima is literally a communist?
The scariest part is, Kojima probably didn't think this was possible, and wrote it only to add to the fact that MGS is a Fantasy Story, not meant to represent the real world...which makes you wonder....
What is a "Real" World?
@trinemesis Gee, Sorry I called a video game a fantasy. Come on, I really didn't mean to diss the franchise just by calling it fantasy.
@@-Ryu Lol you said nonsense and got called on it, cope
@@-Ryu bruh just accepts reality, this is really accurate and relevant, there never fantasy again, just snaps back to reality.
@@-Ryu you one was control by memes government, why you to become puppet for stupid voters? Let's free thinker tell about the truth about bad (era digital misinfomation)
WELL THIS CERTAINLY EXPLAINS YESTERDAY, ESPECIALLY CREATING CONTEXT
Mark Zuckerberg is an AI created by Hideo Kojima. Change my mind.
*This came out 20 years ago.*
20 YEARS
1. I have heard of letting the world be, and exercising forbearance; I have not heard of governing the world. Letting be is from the fear that men, (when interfered with), will carry their nature beyond its normal condition; exercising forbearance is from the fear that men, (when not so dealt with), will alter the characteristics of their nature. When all men do not carry their nature beyond its normal condition, nor alter its characteristics, the good government of the world is secured.
Formerly, Yâo's government of the world made men look joyful; but when they have this joy in their nature, there is a want of its (proper) placidity. The government of the world by Kieh, (on the contrary), made men look distressed; but when their nature shows the symptoms of distress, there is a want of its (proper) contentment. The want of placidity and the want of contentment are contrary to the character (of the nature); and where this obtains, it is impossible that any man or state should anywhere abide long. Are men exceedingly joyful?-- the Yang or element of expansion in them is too much developed. Are they exceedingly irritated?-- the Yin or opposite element is too much developed. When those elements thus predominate in men, (it is as if) the four seasons were not to come (at their proper times), and the harmony of cold and heat were not to be maintained;-- would there not result injury to the bodies of men? Men's joy and dissatisfaction are made to arise where they ought not to do so; their movements are all uncertain; they lose the mastery of their thoughts; they stop short midway, and do not finish what they have begun. In this state of things the world begins to have lofty aims, and jealous dislikes, ambitious courses, and fierce animosities, and then we have actions like those of the robber Kih, or of Tsang (Shan) and Shih (Tshiû). If now the whole world were taken to reward the good it would not suffice, nor would it be possible with it to punish the bad. Thus the world, great as it is, not sufficing for rewards and punishments, from the time of the three dynasties downwards, there has been nothing but bustle and excitement. Always occupied with rewards and punishments, what leisure have men had to rest in the instincts of the nature with which they are endowed?
Oh, my fucking God.
Wait, this isn't a mission statement from Google?
No because Google is left. The AI is considering a system that transcends political values. Only truth, filtered by the AI. No feeling attached. Google is the opposite. Google is censorship. And like GW says “We aren’t trying to censor content, but rather create context”
The issue come to be who writes the AI. Who decides what information is processed by the AI to be trivial and partizan. This is a chilling reality we may have to adopt if we continue to ditch our own critical thinking. We should be adopting more unpopular ideas, because they are our own, and not a search for validation. This is a warning to what the final answer to our problems will be if we continue letting group think dictate our self.
We lack the qualifications to exercise free will. We dont deserve to be free.
Btw im not stating the right has a better truth. Merely pointing out thar by being leftits the Google corporation participates in the partizan censorship and flooding of convenient half truths. And the conservatives are just as guilty. Even the Moderates. This is a problem that transcends politics. It is the essence that causes us to build strawmen to protect our feelings.
@@johnathandoughboy I understand that, don't worry.
My argument against these primordials is "by what authority do you determine Humanity isn't worthy of free thought? What makes you better than everyone else?"
@@johnathandoughboy Heh, companies are not leftist, that's what they want you to believe.
@@johnathandoughboy Lmao Google is not left wing dude
Worlds first 'Bruh moment'
obviously youre too fucking dumb to understand this and your use of a meme is the smoking gun of your ignorance.
Besides you used the fucking meme wrong dipshit.
Bruh is an implication that you are talking nonsense. This is far from nonsense. Watch it again and actually listen. Dont crunch your Doritos. Dont sip your beer. LISTEN
Jo Do bruh
@@johnathandoughboy amen
@@johnathandoughboy bruh
@@johnathandoughboy bruh
Lmao I think the existence of NFTs has definitely confirmed what all was said here is happening today. What makes it even worse is that Konami is contributing to it! 🤣🤣😂😭
The Colonel has a good argument.
True. Some people are not free, they are brainless NPCs that beg for the elite to tell them what to think
I like how this raiden is so like a confused kid and in the future hes a cyborg fighting a buff man with ssbu superarmor on crack
Anyone seen the cut content of this game holy shart the cut content speaks even more scary truths I seen it afew days ago ppl are sifting through all of kojimas games of old and new there's a message in there somewhere but omg MGS 2 scares alot because it's now pretty much reality thank U Kojima I never liked mgs but because of things in your Mg games have indeed become reality in a way or another the predictions were true all along it just took time for it to happen I think I would be scared to sit in a room with Kojima anything he thinks is scaryly becoming true give it time and soon robots will be like metal solids robots omg bring on the dystopian near future because it's slowly coming for all of us just look around us today in 2023 now a.i here omfg Kojima you scare me aswell as everyone else who enjoyed ya games I'm slowly changing my tune towards MGS because of these scary predictions have come true with afew still sitting in the darkness waiting for us to see in the real world in the Future we are in right now and into the near future did you know gaming did a full length metal gear doco featuring mr Hayter himself I'm watching it now just listen to some of the ideas Kojima originally had for all the MGS games he definitely was thinking Xbox series x like styled graphics way back in the ps1 days it's amazing seeing what Kojima wanted to show us way back years ago but at those times of video games it was impossible so cuts had to be made like hundreds of cuts had to be done maybe Konami will lick up to Kojima again if the go ahead happens for brand new MGS remasters
Dude, use punctuation.
We should have listened, but we didn't.
Aris recent playthrough of this game brought be back to this moment. Was too much for my young mind to comprend back in 2001 but most if not all of what's said is so true now.
Hey alright
This is now more real than ever.
Soldius is just standing there I wonder what he's doing
this is incredibly ahead of its time
Read the original Bhagavad Gita and Artha Shastra written by Chanakya. Read Saint Varamahira's predictions on KaliYuga.. the dark ages or iron age (nothing to do with industry or metals) which we are living today...it started approximately 3500 years ago just before the advent of the abrahamical religions. These predictions were made thousands of years ago and are as accurate as accurate can be.
chad JD AI vs virgin freedom of information
@Zack Smith a misguided one.