Netflix's Avatar Is So Corporate Now...
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2024
- Y'know what I mean? It is liquidated down into it's tropey parts. Leaning heavy on fan service and previewing late game characters.. just to keep up retention time in a way that disregards good storytelling and condescends it's audience. Deeper themes and nuance are disregarded for female characters that become weak, follow tropes, and build to a cliche girl power that seems disingenuous. Whilst the very point of many main characters seems lost in this strange retelling of decent visuals, atop bad CGI backgrounds and a story that both disappoint and exceeds expectations. Truly, a mid of a Netflix Series. A blip for Avatar The Last Airbender.
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...And the more I think about this series, the more points I have to bring up! What a tale. Hopefully it solidifies with age... - Krátké a kreslené filmy
And the more I've thought about this during the edit, the more I have to say! Like how Katara is now treated like the childish one rather than the motherly figure, all to lead to a tropey girlpower moment instead of building her into the strong and stark character she is in the original! That's such a corporate approach with zero subtlety... But what are you niche complaints?
Corp
I was also very confused by it. Sokka said in the 1ep "need to do more" or smt like that to Katara. I really hoped they were going to have a fight where Katara said "I ALREADY DO EVERYTHING" But no. Nothing. She really does nothing. We aren't shown once what she does. She only plays with water in a ship.
Removing sokkas sexism is fine, but in doing so they also changed the kyoshi warriors, such that Suki goes from a strong independent person to sitting around thanking sokka. It like ruins her entire character of being a self assured confident badass imo
@@emtgt0217did we nit see her kick ass in omashu a few times tho?
@@austinmills1652 Yeah but with basic waterbending moves, she learned the whip with no problem, which kinda shows that its easy. In the show she needed multiple tries to get it even tho she got the same advice from Aang. And i also dont think beating a few people counts as being a master. It takes more than that.
I screamed “SHUT UP!! JUST STOP TALKING” on more than one occasion. I’ll never forgive the way the just had GranGran randomly blurt out he’s the last airbender and the avatar before the standoff with Zuko.
"Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked."
They ONLY put that in for a "ah ah she said it, she said it." Moment
🙄
They might of well of had ang go “ it’s avataring time “ and then he avatars all over the place
I also did that 😂 Aang's ending speech in episode 1 was so disgustingly hokey and devoid of subtext, like he was reading an entry from his diary or something.
The fact that they had her recite the intro to the original show verbatim made me cringe so hard. There was no way to fit that naturally into dialogue
That scene with GranGran was so painful to watch
If I had a nickel for every time they fumbled a live-action Avatar adaptation, I’d have two nickels.
Which is not much, but it's sad that it has happened twicd.
Lol. I got that reference xD. But unlike the live action, I'm not going to exposit an explanation all over the screen.
Funny everyone thought the show was going to be good just because everyone "looked" the part, turns out its still mediocre/bad. Maybe now they can stop blaming minorities (colorblind casting) when adaptations make changes. Appearances aren't everything, character interpretation & decent dialogue is much more important than the physicality.
@@LonnieBhi Appearance and scene writing are not a binary choices. You can have both, or none. The god awful movie failed on every Level. The live action remake did the casting right, which is like a bare minimum. And even there I think they failed, because Katara had dark skin and blue eyes. They could have searched a girl with the right race, but with Kataras appearance. But I am already asking for too much, since this remake doesn't even know how dialouges work.
Lets just hope that season 2 will have more episodes and more slower and comfortable pacing cause 8 episodes isnt enough
Watching the Netflix version of Avatar really made me notice just how subtle the cartoon often is, because in here, they really butcher moments of silence of thought by just having someone explaining everything. The biggest offender to me, was the Koizilla moment. In the cartoon: when Koizilla is on screen, there's absolutely no dialogue, no one even questions what happens, what's going on, or anything; and when the moon is back, we know what goes into Koizilla's mind. But the netflix version just completely explains things over it multiple times, and that detracts from the moment soooo much, it takes away the artistry behind it and ruins any deep meaning by having it blatantly explained by multiple characters.
They made Koizilla a big rage monster that roars for some reason instead of a majestic unstoppable spirit 🤦♂️
Even when the original show did extended scenes of exposition it was better than this mess. The “Water. Earth. Fire. Air.” Intro gave you exactly as much information as you needed to inuit the story & no more
You complain too much
Koizella roar kept taking me out of the scene. If Netflix wanted something different it might have been cool to show a distant fire nation ship only hearing insane waves/water crashing fearful of what doom was heading their way. Yeah, Jurassic park rip off but audience could see side of fire nation solders during spirit attack.
I agree. Makes you realize how powerful the “show , don’t tell” in the cartoon was
"Show don't tell" is something the writers for this adaptation never heard about, apparently. And the worst part is, what they DO show, is done with the subtlety of a sledgehammer, so there's no nuance, no complexity, nothing left for the audience to figure out on their own.
Having all of those things is what made the original series so great, and their absence is the exact reason why the Netflix show is just "fine" and not "amazing", they turned Avatar into another action series to watch and turn your brain off for a couple hours and move on after you are done.
When the original creators left, my expectations went through the floor. Their's some good parts, but, it's mid at best. Their's so little humor, I hate how Aang doesn't even waterbend, everything is so rushed and spoonfed to the audience, it really misses the point of what makes the original so great.
No it’s not. It is the best show to come out in years.
Painfully mid. The original was a masterclass in world building, dialogue/meaningful silence, and character development. It was fun to watch but really a fumble of one of the best TV shows animated or otherwise I’ve ever seen.
@caigetompkins3759 you can't possibly believe this is actually the best TV show in years. It's certainly not as bad as some people make it out to be . But it also certainly not the Best show out lmao
@@caigetompkins3759 wow, you've got really low standards... Watch the original animated series, it's better than this shit
@@caigetompkins3759 Bro literally said "nUh-Uh" like that's gonna work. 😂
I’ve never understood why people insist on giving this series a live action version. This is an animated show that uses animation as a medium incredibly well. This show just doesn’t work in live action imo. The humor would probably be weird when converting it to live action, the fights would have so much less luster and pizazz, exc exc.
I’m getting really sick of people converting animation into live action because many good shows and movies are animated for a reason. They use that medium to its fullest and work with animation in mind to deliver something amazing.
It's a combination of fans wanting to see a live action version because it would be cool and major studios seeing animation as a children's medium so they feel obligated to capitalize on an adult demographic.
The whole show, I was thinking, 'When is Aang going to at least start learning how to waterbend?'" I yelled in agreement with Pakku when he confronted him about that. Aang was a natural at waterbending. What a wasted opportunity.
It'll come in book 2 which is so wrong bruhh
@@CCstarss777ya book earth. Now start learning about water bending or they will just do it.off screen
I was waiting for the episode where he learns firebending and burns katara. That’s literally where she learns healing. Overall I’m disappointed with the whole story
They butchered Katara so hard bro
they really, really did.
You should see Azula 😂
@@iranlaneres2743I really wanna know what happened there. Soooo baAADD
Lets hope season 2 has better changes
The show feels like the showrunners watched the Ember Island Players episode and thought it was a 1 for 1 recap. The fact that Aang is Peter Pan now makes me think this theory is valid.
i thought the exact same thing katara is or that that version then the normal one, the same with a lot of the other charaters.
They were lying off their asses when they said that they were fans and shit, it shows in the writing and the changes they made
@@pinkpixie8686holy crap... Doesn't that explain Sokka too or am I misremembering the guy played him as extremely self defeating😅.
@@user-sx1rv7ml8iI mean... I buy that the set design, VFX, costuming, and actors were... Not the writers/editors, maybe the director.
I got the same impression when watching the first 3 episodes.
Can we please finally accept that animation is not an inferior medium and give it its dues. They can not make a live action looks as good, we get uncanny valley, bad green screening or poor child acting. However I do love a bunch of the costuming, the Aang water spirit kaiju and how dark they are willing to go in the live actions.
Good acting can rarely survive bad writing. Even the few seasoned and well-known actors playing Ozai, Iroh and Zhao showed trouble conveying any kind of convincing speech. Ian Ousley really did his best tho.
From the trio (Aang, Katara and Sokka), Ian Ousley really was the best actor. I was massively disappointed with Gordon Cormier and Kiawenti:io. Yes, they are young, but both have been active in acting since 2019, so they are not absolute newcomers anymore.
And what's great is that no one can make the excuse "it's meant for kids, it doesn't have to be so complicated". Because 1. the original was a kids show, and is written much better. 2. The show runners kept saying they made this with an older audience in mind. Some proof to those claims being the more on-screen death.
So all in all, it's just worse because it's bad.
I don't think the show is terrible, but it's just so-so.
One of the best...and then worse Dialogue moments was the last episode when Katara fights Zuko during the full moon. After Katar blocks Zuko's fire blast with a wall of ice, Zuko says, "You little peasent, you've found a master haven't you?" I was like wow that was some great dialouge and the delivery by Zuko's actor was perfect....I wonder who wrote that line...then Katara ruins the moment by saying, "Yes. You're looking at her." Uhhhhhhgh, why take from the OG moment line for line and then decide to ruin it with LA Katara saying something cringe
And also, even zuko's line has no impact. Bc he and katara have pretty much no relationship at all.
I have such a gripe with the fact that she hasn't been taught waterbending by a master, but suddenly she's considered master level, enough to teach the Avatar waterbending -_-
that line was from the original animated series, shows that if they just stuck to the script the show would have been much better
Yeah wasn’t the biggest fan of that either. Granted, Katara in both this and the animated version did have to learn waterbending a bit on her own(Although in the cartoon she did have some assistance from Aang of course). But here? Katara just kinda takes tips from other characters she’s with, and pretty much figures out how to become a skilled water bender by herself.
was not a fan of how "hollywood girlboss" they made katara. in the og she was so badass, flaws and all, and i hate how watered down she is here. all she does is spout out whatever the writers think sounds "cool" and "feminist" with no meaning or emotion behind it. they massacred my girl.
One of my biggest gripes with the live action was how the trio barely even interacts. All I remember Aang and Katara talking about is Aang being supportive of Kataras waterbending and a little chatter here and there. There’s never any sort of banter, actual laughter, etc and it makes their friendship feel more like a work acquaintance
This show has enough exposition to fill all of the Earth's oceans.
😂😂
Fans: "Some of what we disliked about the live-action movie is the excessive exposition."
Netflix: "So you want more?"
@TeruteruBozusama now the cartoon had exposition, sure.
But it matched the monologues with engaging visuals. Like Iroh explaining how redirecting lightning, he isn't just telling Zuko; he's showing Zuko.
Roku just telling Aang about his traumatic death wouldn't hit nearly as hard as SHOWING us him dying via a pyroclastic flow.
Side note I really hate how people make fun of his death.
It wouldn't have been quick. If he was lucky his blood would've boiled and he'd feel a flash of pain then nothing. Looking at skulls of the Herculean victims of the Vesuvius eruption, Roku most likely suffered even for just a moment as well. Meaning his brain boiled and was super heated, causing his bone to crack and fall apart.
If he was unlucky then he essentially would've dry drowned. But instead of water, it would've felt like his lungs were on fire and for poor Fang it would've been so much worse since he's so much bigger.
Tui and La have mercy on us
@@TheRibottoStudiosJUST WHO THE HECK FOUND ROKU'S DEATH FUNNY ?
The two things I really hated about this adaptation is that
1. They DO NOT WRAP UP THE BUSINESS WITH HEY BAY. THE SOULS JUST COME BACK FROM THE FOG WITHOUT EVEN A WORD TO HIM and
2. Don't quote me on this, in fact, someone check me on this, but I am pretty sure that zuko DOES NOT SAY THE WORD "HONOR" ONCE. Yes, it sort of became a meme in the community, but it is also a VITAL piece in his character and him not acknowledging it ONCE himself is an egregious sin.
Feels that they changed to word "Honour" for "Destiny", don't quote me on this but I remember reading something about (not necessarily on avatar) that productions now are trying to about linking the importance of honour with Asian characters because it reinforces dated stereotypes or something like that, so maybe they didn't want to have problems with the Twitter mob (same reason why they took Sokkas sexism and made Ozai "nicer")
@@leonardojuangorena4818 I don't think Ozai is "nicer". I think he's more interesting and complicated, because you can see his narcissism and delusions much better. I liked seing this perverted and abusive 'love' he feels for Zuko, rather than just being absolutely indifferent to him like in the cartoon.
Hey bayyy 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In episode one, right before fighting Sokka, I think Zuko says “Where’s the honor in that?” But I could be mistaken.
Lmao, I thought I was the only one who was listening for the word honor xD But, yeah. I'm fairly certain that he never mentioned it once in regard to needing to reclaim it for himself.
I honestly thought they couldn't do any worse with how they handled Aang learning the elements. He has nothing so far. The conflict with Aang not wanting to learn from anyone but Giatzo (idk how to spell it) is nice but they mention it once and Katara doesn't talk to him abt it. They could have had an emotional scene of them sitting by a river and Katara slowly making Aang practice with him, by showing him how terrible she is (kinda tricking him). Also the fact that Katara just suddenly was called a water bending master in the end. Like when did that happen?!? When did she learn a new move from an actual master? NEVER. Zuko saying "You must have found a master?" I was so ready to hear Katara saying "No I'm just cool like that." but alas that didn't happen. She just learned ONE new move, BOOM immediately a master.
It was also hella weird how the firebenders made it so fast to the north pole. That didn't give Katara time to really learn any moves. But in the end its all just for the money, right Netflix?
Facts. No training whatsoever but is dubbed master . Aang doesn’t bend a single droplet outside the avatar state
When they were studying GoT they forgot about every season besides season 8
And when she responded with “yoU’re lOoking aT hEr”
That made me scream in horror
@@dr.berryfx8580lol I called this out to my wife before it happened, we both laughed so hard, I noticed the lack of training moments and I knew they were going with “katara is her own master, she teached herself how to water-bend like a master” it was hilariously bad
Girlboss politics win again. Roku the wise spirit guide is replaced with Kyoshi. Hollywood can't just stop promoting their ego!
The cast have way more chemistry between them during the press tours, especially between team avatar. They are really lacking moments for them to bond and grow into their characters. Made their interactions stale and somewhat disingenuous. Hopefully corporate will ease up on the next season.
Me watching the press tours than the show:
I’ve only watch the first 4 episodes so far, but I feel like the dialogue is so cut and dry, there’s no real sustenance. The scenes are just quick to the point and on to the next, I don’t get to really absorb the settings. I don’t see how someone that hasn’t watched the animated version could really follow or understand how much everyone bonds and grows together.
It really feels more like a high quality CZcamsrs movie or a theatrical play. Everything has more of a cosplay feel the more I watch it.
I don’t hate it though, it’s just disappointing how much the potential has been muddled down for weird decisions.
I knew this show was ***** when they SKIPPED the scene where Aang meets Sokka & Katara and replaced it with exposition about the Air Nomad genocide.
These writers have no idea what they’re doing. They’re following the beats of the story and actively removing the reasons people cared about this
this is the most rational comment! Dialogue is pretty dry so at times it really feels like they're just reading lines from a script. It all felt rushed from scene to scene even though there was supposedly more runtime than the original first season. But i still enjoyed it for the most part. I watched it in one sitting and was happy to watch it. there's a lot of potential so hopefully future seasons have better dialogue and pacing!
@@username7790 I worry that people are going to blame the actors but the writing is the main thing stripping these characters of personality the live-action show is constantly removing scenes key to characterization & replacing it with exposition dumbs where people just explain the internal logic of the story instead.
This isn’t a fandom wiki, it’s a TV show. Just tell us the story
It feels like movies and series nowadays are becoming exactly like some social media posts- they do it as rage bait. As in theyre purposefully making choices that dont make sense, look/sound bad or just ones that aren't good solely for the internet to hate on. It's bizarre but thats the vibe i get
I'm starting to wonder about this as well. I feel like Madam Web was just made to hate on??
@@persephonene7421We don't talk about that.........
Aang: *Introduce himself flying and showing off his skills*
Also Aang: I don't want to be special, I just want to be a normal kid
The "normal" kid also never plays, he's serious all the time
@@realiascailtwhere's the aang that's always making wind circles and showing them off to everyone proudly, even as an adult?, that's the only real aang
And flying,FLYING!
I mean, i guess he thought they might’ve already known what airbenders can do.
@@realiascailt only zuko fits more with his cartoon self, everyone else are different people who we don't know and we just met
My least favorite change was the Hei Bai episode because there is no way he would be able to make it back from going to Roku's shrine,getting capture by Zhao and saving katara and sokka
It really felt like with Omashu they just said "fit ALL the later plots together", then with Hei Bei they were like "ALL spirit plot/delay plot/prisoner plots here!"... I was surprised he didn't surf on the fin or play with penguins there too... Or I would be if they left fun in the formula.😅
I feel like, with any adaptation that the original directors aren't involved (if their alive) is a problem.
I read that they left because they tried to make more drastic changes and Netflix didnt like it. Sometimes writers are just not fully happy with what they have created and then might want to change it in a way they intended beforehand.
they are alive, they stared avatar studios where they currently have some movies and another series in the works
Think I heard they are working on the next or other animated series..
Well, they were also involved on the live action movie.😅
That's never been confirmed it's just a rumor. @@blakemarkland20
I have heard many people say that Season 1 of Avatar TLA is weaker compared to Seasons 2 & 3 because they are a bit more darker, more serious, have filler episodes that tie to the main story or have no filler at all. However if Season 1 didn't have any of those filler episodes where all the characters have development & characterisation those subsequent seasons would have to compensate for it and they would have been more tedious because of that overcompensation. Also the creators & writers for the longest time said having those filler episodes allowed them to figure out the tone as well as letting them flesh out their fantasy world in a more natural way.
It’s so crazy that people think season 1 is weak. I mean I know they definitely had their characters nailed down by season 3, but season 1 is so good in terms of setting up these characters and you learn so much about them. It’s so effing good !
Facts
how is the version of this show that aired alongside new episodes of Spongebob more mature and subtle than the one you need to be a grown adult and pay a subscription fee to watch?
I cannot get over how they butchered the avatars. Avatars are supposed to be composed masters (yes even kyoshi) and they give guidence when speaking to aang. Them literally yelling at him and even guilting him sometimes is crazy that it even happened. BUT I like some changes. Them changing Hakodas attitude towards Sokka was criminal though. Loved azula, loved Zuko, there was no bonding between team avatar. They were split up throughout most of it.
I actually did like that aspect, none of the Avatars were perfect far from it even but them literally yelling at Aang was just so jarring, it literally took me out of the show whenever it happened.
I was actually getting pissed the more Kyoshi kept talking bruh I ended up turning off the tv, the writing is terrible and so on the nose, no nuance and no understanding for what made the cartoon so great, literally just a very polished turd
@@Spielmaldingens it’s so weird that ALL of them raise their voice to him (I know Roku was joking but still). I love avatars having flaws in general but this is not them. Kyoshi guilts aang for coming by saying he’s endangering people by coming to the island, but he is literally there to LEARN from her what being an avatar means. So she guilts him for coming to learn, but then at the same time she scolds him for abandoning his duty to be an avatar, which he has no idea how to do it, which is why he’s there!!! He is actively trying to do his duty!! This whole thing is running in illogical circles I feel like I’m going mad from this writing💀 💀
@@user-sx1rv7ml8i I think this kyoshi talk is the worst thing in this show, along with Roku. Nothing makes sense about it.
@@IsraelLlerenaYea the Avatars definitely had the most infuriating changes, Roku took a huge back seat, they didn't even have his iconic scene when he destroys the temple in favor of the emo chick who showed up for like 2 episodes in the original, like how TF did she even get there 🤦♂️
I don't like that they revealed Ozai so soon. In the cartoon series, he was faceless until around the solar eclipse. It made him feel larger. I'm also not a huge fan of the fact that instead of Roku being his spirit guide for the first book and him meeting the other avatars later as he becomes more in tune with the avatar state, he's just able to talk to them all perfectly. They needed more episodes to really flesh out these characters and make them feel more real.
I'm currently watching the OG after the LA and the first time you see Ozai's face is in episode 1 in season 3. I was quite disappointed when we were able to see Ozai in the LA in episode 2 or 3. That took all of the mystery surrounding him.
and it seemed like they were trying to make him more sympathetic, somehow?? really pissed me off as someone that very much connected with zukos dysfunctional family experience. all the villains in this remake suck ass.
One thing to mention:
You said here that "There was limited time", but in reality, if you add the runtime of both, this live action series totals about 7.1 hours of runtime, while the animated show totals 7.2 hours of runtime, that's like 12 extra minutes in the animated show, which probably end up getting used in intro and outro segments, so they probably ended up having the exact same runtime between the two, which means that they could have recreated the whole show frame by frame in this live action series and they would have had enough time for it all.
there where several things i didn't like about this the main ones though was that Ang didn't run away, the thing that cusees him major conflict and how everyone keeps calling him a coward when in this he didn't actually run away he just went out to get some fresh air after being told he was the avatar and got stuck in a storm, in the cartoon he prolly packs his things and runs away but not in this just as the storm hits he tries to go home but just didn't make it. the other thing that bugs me is that katara has bassicly no personality they turned her into the version from the play thats always crying and preaching about hope and she goes from not even being able to make a water bubble to somehow being called a master by paku with NOONE teaching her anything about water bending, im guessing they did to make her seem strong but you can be strong and still need to be taught by someone exspecaly with complicated things like bending. the ang not water bending once was really bad too.
I had the exact same reaction to aang flying & the past avatars knowing the future 🤦🏽♂️ I also agree with all of the other opinions you had lmao they just really dropped the ball
He wasnt really flying, he was just boosting him self up with air bending and landing by blowing air. We see him do that in episode one when he came out of the iceberg and sneezed causing him ti fly up and come down blowing air for safe landing
I never even realized that they knew the future omg...
Avatar the Last Airbender was perfect as an animated series, there is no reason for it to be remade into a live-action streaming series, you would think someone would remember the M. Night Shyamalan film, and come to the conclusion that ATAB, was fine just the way it was, but studios just cannot leave well enough alone. Like the 2010 film, there is still too much exposition, nauseating CGI, flanderizing characters, wooden acting, bizarre lines, and are just retreading the original version, just this time as live-action. It's disheartening that so many of our favourite programmes, are treated as content farms by their corporate overlords, it's bad enough when they did it in the past, now execs have added new steps, checking off a list of whatever they think we want to watch, well Netflix, we humans are complex than the hard data on graphs and charts, Shyamalan found that out the hard way.
I'm so tired of the constant exposition dialogue in modern content, it's as if every character needs to constantly be expositing what's happening, who they are, who they're related to etc. in every scene or else they're worried the audience will forget and get confused and that confusion will hurt them and they'll wander off in a muddled daze. It's so boring.
It's because people are becoming stupid so they have to dumb down dialogue
Zuko: you found the master didn't you?
Katara: yes, you are looking at her
All they had to do was stick to the source material
That scene was badass and perfection
@@paleofolk It would have been perfect if Katara didn't say her last line.
@@LJ_S1K that last line is what sold it
-You found a master huh?
-Bitch no, this would be character development
@olk Hey if you liked it that is cool, but too me it was cringe and doesn't make sense because she did get a master and it was Paku. So she is just disregarding the fact that she was trained by a master and instead takes all the credit. ok, I guess the LA version handled that part better than the original for adding Katara's line
The Netflix adaptation is like watching a version of the story written by the Ember Island Players, but on TV.
My least favorite niche change was to Hakoda. In the cartoon and the comics, he's an excellent example for positive masculinity. He's kind and supportive and admits his mistakes, and he's also a great and respected leader. In this version, he shittalks about his own son. How did this change happen? I hated this scene so incredibly much.
My favorite niche thing was the design of the ostrich horses. They look like fluffy prehistoric terror birds, and I think that's quite perfect because that's how I would have imagined them as well.
Same. When I was watching the Hakoda part I almost turned it off I was so confused on why they would change him 😭
And the change doesn’t even make sense. WHY would hakoda pass Sokka if he did so horribly?? If you take a drivers test, and do so bad that you break stuff and risk peoples lives, WHY on earth are you passing them?? And then why is Hakoda taking a logical jump saying Sokka won’t be a warrior just because he did bad in an ice dodging boat test? The point is growing and getting better!
One thing I hated was making Aang less cheerful and playful, and on top of that making him a sad little guy who's constantly being yelled at (if not by strangers, his old friend, or his past life) and made to feel even more guilty than he already felt. Didn't help they wrote Katara to be bland and neither hotheaded or motherly, so she doesn't defend him or give him hugs. There's multiple times I was just saying "geeze just leave him alone" outloud.
After watching the first episode of the live-action, all I can say to Mike and Brian is "Hmph, no wonder you left." -Tho (from The Swamp episode)
The first Agni Kai we see Zuko do in the animated show is the one against Zhao, which is CRUCIAL. It's to build a sense of almost whiplash when they later flashback to the Agni Kai against Ozai. Against Zhao, Zuko is cocky and enraged, but out of his depth. But Iroh's there to help this time, reminding him to keep his cool. Whereas against Ozai, Iroh could not interrupt the Fire Lord, and could only look away as Zuko was mutilated. But Zuko is still losing until Zhao tries to firebend point blank into Zuko's face, exactly like Ozai had done prior (which we haven't seen yet). There's a split second close up of Zuko's eyes and you can see he's reliving the moment, but this time, it's as if some part of him goes "never again", and he knocks Zhao's legs out from under him. Not only do we see some of the first hints that Zuko is willing to fight back, we see he has martial skills in nonbending techniques, not just firebending, which foreshadows the Blue Spirit. And showing the Zhao fight before the Ozai fight allows Zuko to remain in an antagonistic role at least as far as the Aang is concerned, even if we route for him against Zhao.
Zuko is SUPPOSED to make you hate him early on. Because the things he is doing are horrible. It helps you feel the perspective of the people he hurts, because it quite frankly doesn't matter what his past is, it doesn't give him permission to attack innocent people and burn down villages. Creating genuine anger towards Zuko early on is what helps his redemption feel earned later. And his fight with Zhao is a huge part of it, as it allows the audience to gradually learn that there's more to Zuko than meets the eye, rather than just having it all dumped on you when you find out about the duel with Ozai.
This! LA Zuko is so sympathetic, he's literally ready to join team Avatar next season but OG Zuko was a menace and that's what made him amazing
Telling Aang the future in order to give him a reason to go the North pole even though he already has to go there to learn waterbending. It's literally built into the premise of the story
I absolutely HATED everything about the Bumi episode. Acting was terrible, cgi was terrible, and literally before Katara and Sokka enter the cave they find out about them bc someone tells them political leaders use the caves to have meeting... but then once they get to the cave no one ever comes out alive? Thats my main issue with the series. They tried taking too many liberties while also trying to stay true to the original series without actually trying to make the plots make sense.
And I want to make it clear I was never expecting an exact copy but I still expect better from a million/billion dollar cooperation. Tbh I would have been fine if they got rid of Jet completely. He makes an appearance in only a few episodes in the OG series and really isnt that important. Sure he helps lead them to Lake Laogai, but you could have Joo Dee do that if you really wanted to. And there are other things they could have done but thats the main one I could think of.
Cgi was on point
I agree with everything you say, besides jet. Erasing recurring characters even the ones who appear 2 times. Its something that will never support
@shawerful5209 eh I disagree. If a character doesn't serve a purpose to the overall narrative then I see no issues getting rid of them. Like for example, you could probably erase Suki, but it would be difficult bc she does a lot to move the plot forward in the show... primarily in season 2 and more so in season 3. Then you have the inventor who helps build weapons for the war, including the sub Sokka came up with in order to invade the fire nation, he serves a pretty important purpose to the overall narrative. Jet doesn't really affect the plot once he dies, besides getting a few mentions here and there. So sacrificing his plot would have been a good idea so the episodes that included him didnt seem so messy.
Jet -katara appeared purely for the fan service elements
Bruh the massacred my girl Azula… not nearly terrifying enough
yes, she seemed to match the azala from the final episodes that needs constant approval and rensurasice then how she is the rest of the time with being calm and collective and not really caring about things because she knows she's awesome and is gonna win in the end.
Another thing they didn’t commit to is Yue’s eyes, when everything is black and white Yue’s eyes remain blue because she is part of the moon spirit. Apparently she’s also a fox now and a waterbender. I get maybe fleshing out her character a bit more, but all that change is just too much.
That was something that bothered me too.
I stopped when Roku was finally introduced and what Netflix did to Roku is EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL to the source material
Rokus depiction is such a sin
I said it before, the writers wanted ALL the girlboss and edgy moments without realizing that maybe said moments should have an impact on the story and the characters, you can't have Sokka without his season 1 arc and that is just one example.
Yeah, I think they are too worried that people will not like these characters because they have flaws. The most flawed characters make for the best tv arcs. Breaking Bad, Sepranos, Avatar The Last Air Bender(OG). I guess everything has to be so watered down now because we can't risk offending anyone. The original had the winning formula and yet these show runners where like nah. Too risky. It's a pretty mid show I didn't feel like I wasted my time but I also didn't feel like it was the best use of my time. I'll be back season 2 but might drop it if it's just as inconsistent
One part where the show either contradicts itself or is just badly written, is when the iceberg cracks. Does it crack because Katara tried to waterbend the boat to them, and they are showing her raw potential, or does it crack because the story has to go on? If it cracks because of Katara it contradicts the set up of her character as not even being able to bend a ball of water out a pool. If it cracks to further the story, it is bad writing.
From my understanding Katara breaks the ice because she’s applying pressure to the water trying to bring the canoe back? In the show, her waterbending shoots backwards, so that might be the reference they went with. But they definitely should’ve made it more clear
They seemed to remove the drama of the original series. The change that really sticks out to me like a sore thumb is when Aang leaves the Air Temple in the past he isn't running away, he goes off "to think." So he doesn't carry the guilt of abandoning his people willingly, it just sort of happens.
ptsd from the 2010 movie that shall not be named now cptsd 14 years later 💀
What a time go be alive, we're now witnessing TWO terrible adaptations ☠️
You'd think they would learn after one failed adaptation. They have the PERFECT source material and just crumple it up after skimming through it.
tHeRe iS nO MoViE iN bA SiNg sE
That's not what cptsd is
@@breawycker I'm pretty sure the person is overexaggerating on purpose
It feels like how I felt while watching the Percy Jackson show. Too much exposition, hollow writing, not enough characterization. It’s been a frustrating 2 months
I think the biggest issue with the acting is that because they stayed true to the cultural backgrounds of the series they had to 1. Find child actors 2. Find child actors that could do martial arts and 3. Find child actors that can act. It may be unfair to say but it isn’t easy to find east Asian, Inuit, Indian etc. child actors that have great acting chops and martial arts background. I hope the actors get trained while production is on hiatus and hopefully book 2 will have better acting from the kids as they get more experience. The kid I had the biggest issue with the acting was Zuko. I think he was a phenomenal actor but the liberties he took with the character felt like a sin. Zuko is a stern, serious character that is almost void of all emotions except anger. This is a huge part of his development that he is supposed to become someone that people feel comfortable being around from someone no one even knew how to hold a conversation with. The actor imo made him weak and gave him to many emotions from episode 1. If there is anyone that could get away with wooden acting it’s Zuko! Because that’s a big part of his character. He’s supposed to be wooden until he has his breakthrough in ba sing se with only tinges of his compassion being shown here and there earlier.
I don't agree with you on the actors onepiece it made sense because if you look at what race the characters are that's what the creator of onepiece said they where before the live action was made he said luffy was Brazilian ussop was African and zoro was Japanese I think the actors are fine how they are in avatar but it's just the writing that sucks
Okay, here's some niche thoughts I had while watching:
First of all Avatar Kuruk saying "The Avatar has to 'bear' the burden alone" while wearing a bear on his head was hysterical and I had to pause for a good minute because I was laughing so hard, I don't think it was in any way intended to be funny but it got me good lol
When Jet and Katara followed that fire nation guy Jet tells him he's outnumbered to which the guy calls out exactly two more people to outnumber them back which I thought was pretty funny and I half expected Jet to also just call one more guy so they would be outnumbered again
When they were in the secret tunnel Katara said "Love is brightest in the dark" and she looked at her and Sokka's joined hands and for a second I thought "oh god netflix what are you implying right now", especially since they were in the Cave of Two Lovers but thankfully that's not where it was going
For some reason I sensed some romantic chemistry between Sokka and Hahn? Especially the scene when he asked about his combat experience and stuff. Maybe it's because I feel like the characters don't have much chemistry in general but it just seemed very natural in that scene. I even rewinded to see if I imagined it but it was still there
Apart from the unintentionally funny moments they did get one or two laughs out of me from the character banter though that still wasn't a lot. Like some of Sokka's lines here and there worked for me and there was that one scene where Iroh asks Zuko what his plan is and Zuko rambles on about how the plan is capturing the Avatar and proving himself etc etc and Iroh just goes "so no plan?" to which Zuko replies "I'm working on it uncle", that actually made me laugh because the delivery was good
My biggest issue honestly wasn't any of the story or character changes, it was the acting, writing, script, delivery and most importantly the fact that most characters barely had any chemistry. Those kinds of things really take me out and make it hard for me to connect to the characters and by extension the story. The best parts for me were any additional Zuko and/or Iroh backstory since I thought those were done pretty well and I really warmed up to Zuko's actor by the end. Overall it was alright, not something I needed but not terrible and if they ever make season 2 I'll probably watch it
I guess you say this series needs some CORPORATE punishment! 😂😂😂😂
I feel so bad for the kid playing Aang. Outside of the show, he looks like a genuine goofy, innocent kid. And he has a lovable charm to him. Amazes me how Netflix managed to ruin that perfect casting, with dogshit directing and writing. Just feel for the kid, having his opportunity messed up, hope he makes it/survives in Hollywood😢
He is not the perfect casting, imo. His acting is rough as well.
@@yurichtube1162 No. No. No. stop sugarcoating. We’re too old for sugarcoating. His acting was AWFUL and he’s the lead and isn’t doing much leading. If you can’t MAKE ME connect with you emotionally, you’re a horrible actor. Period. There’s no excuse. Your job is to MAKE ME connect with you. The job wasn’t done. This is the reality. If you’re a gardener but your plants are constantly dying, then you’re a horrible gardener. Let’s stay focused and see things for what they are.
What about Iroh. The pacing they had bro speaking with is unforgivable, and he’s way too serious on the outside. He used to present as borderline aloof, which made his serious moments much more impactful.
I feel bad for the actors, because you can tell these guys were all huge fans, working hard and doing their best, but yet again, the directors messed with things and the project suffered. That being said, I don’t think this was that bad, and if they made a second season, I might watch it
The show runners said at the premiere that they were opened to honest criticism so hopefully the second season ends up being an improvement, you know if we get season 2 .
Honestly, I think the movie is an even better adaptation.
Because you have to sit through the garbage for a shorter amount of time.
10:50 Also this removes the part where Zuko is trying to save Zhao, showing his inner greatness and willingness to preserve life, no matter if it is about someone who tried to backstab him earlier.
Despite the problems with the rewriting and changing, I will point out that the effects and CGI were amazing at least.
“But the effects were decent!”
@@ramofeldduckington6257 hey, when you know it's not gonna be great, you gotta find something that makes it worth it.
Literally ember island players. Accept for all the times kyoshi scenes looked ai generated
This is true
@@NobleVagabond2552"Except" And yes this show is sadly a dissapointment.
The best thing I saw someone call it is Netflix Avatar is a higher budget of "The Ember Island Players" then the actual show. It feels like someone from the outside who didn't personally experience what happen is retelling the story. The Netflix Avatar Feels like a legend of the original, it gets a bunch of the big flashy stuff correct, the small personal side of things are just not there
There was no jeong jeong. 😢😢😢
I’m just putting it out there. You mention this show having a shorter run time but that is categorically false. It runs just as long as Book 1. The reason it feels weirdly rushed is just the abysmal pacing issues this show has.
4:05 hold up the actor of kevin tran from supernatural was in this?
yea u didn't notice? he was in ep3
The sexysm of sokka its an arc that lasted all the series that makes him realise that everyone has a value is just not only "3 episodes"
I really want to like it and I can't call it terrible. Some things I liked were the actors, environments, clothing, and armor. The bending looked passable the majority of the time. I liked that we got to see more pre-banishment Zuko and Iroh. There was even a parallel between Gyatso and Aang and Iroh and Zuko. I like what they did with Zuko's ship crew, giving them some connection to him.
But you could definitely feel the time constraints. Events move very quickly. They are also wrestling with new content and source material content. The exposition in dialogue was inexcusable. Aang doing no waterbending is a bad look. The task of telling the story in 8 episodes was going to be an uphill battle.
I could feel that there was effort. But I feel that it doesn't escape the shadow that is the source material. Honestly, it needs more episodes in a season, or else it will always feel rushed.
In my opinion, 6.5/10. I'd recommend this to an older viewer as a gateway for the original series.
Honestly I’m not even sure it works as a primer. I still think it’s better to recommend the original because it literally takes the same amount of time to go through the entirety of book one compared to this 8 episode season. There’s honestly nothing here that just… grabs you… the same way a lot of the writing in the original managed to pull off. There’s a reason this show managed to get an audience with the parents as much as it did with their kids. It never needed retooling for an older audience.
I really liked that moment when Iroh picked a white lotus coin from Omashu's market the uses it to signal Zuko where his being taken.
I'd like to add that "gritty and realistic" must not always mean "not funny" as a lot of movies make it seem these days. "Saving Private Ryan" is a very gritty and realistic movie with some very heavy scenes and it manages to include a genuenly funny scene, where the characters get mistaken for each other. It' s only one example, but I'm sure you could find more.
Opens with a person being burnt to death with his fleshy corpse hitting the ground, then transitions into a kid exposition dumping his desire to be normal after literally flying. The series didn't know its audience. They should realize that it's 90% millennials and stop with the dumb it down dialogue
Aang doesn't waterbend, Roku doesn't warn Aang about the comet but Kioshi warns him about the attack on the North, the library seems non-existent since everything related to it either comes from the spirit world or Roku's temple, the show knows how to play pauses for the sad moments (there are a couple of good ones) but none of the joy-filled ones when they even exist, very little music and uncomfortably quiet, dialogue tells but doesn't show & the episodes spend way too long on Azula. Im not convinced Azula is this "born right to rule" child when all we see is how bothered by Zuko she is like she was during season 3 post-boiling rock. They also did Bumi's character dirty making him THAT bitter. If season 2 & 3 are going to be about anything it needs to focus on Aang (NOT the avatars before him) and the bond he has with his new family.
I don't get why they made the fire nation attack at night. They're a LOT stronger during day time and the air nomads wouldn't have known about the attack either way so why do that. There are a lot of little things like this which make the world feel unreal
I noticed, as a writer, most of the dialogue is on-the-nose. The characters always say exactly what they mean, leaving no room for mystery or playfulness. I understand, to a point, that action oriented shows need to be like that. A preponderance of action sets don't always leave room for subtle dialogue, but this show takes it too far. The main characters all come off as flat and boring. Aang accepts his role as avatar a little too quickly. Gone is his trademark playfulness. Katara is usually gentle and maternal, but she can also be volatile and rash. It was also a mistake to get rid of Sokka's sexism as every main character should have at least one flaw. It also led to some funny comeuppances for the character. I will say that of all the main characters, Zuko captures the spirit and complexity of his cartoon counterpart the most. This is a sincere adaptation. I can tell the effort the show-runners made to stay true to the cartoon, but it falls short of the heights of the original. Overall, I would give it a 7/10.
Also is no one going to mention how Aang was straight up fucking flying sometimes?? Like did they even watch Korra
1:51 2:03 Yes, people have mentioned it, in the video you're commenting under within the first 2 minutes
@@shwing1428missed it oopsie
i have the same issue with the new avatar series as i do with the new percy jackson series. the potential for them to be great is there, the casting is lovely, the costuming is great, and the foundations for them both are plentiful. but they both fail spectacularly in the writing department. i don't know what it is with recent remakes where the writers and producers think their audiences have the same amount of brain power as a fleck of dirt, but there is a massive issue of talking down to the audiences. it kills all suspense and mystery. writing in this exposition-heavy manner removes all tension from all the scenes. and it just really bums me out.
I'm probably the only one here who thinks this, but the only saving grace for me in this show was whenever Zuko and Iroh was on screen. Only thing that kinda bothered me was Iroh was less of his fun, laid back self and leaned more into the wise old mentor figure but that was only one thing they changed and didn't deter my enjoyment of him. Zuko was pretty much kept the same. He was still the angtsy, short-tempered teenager he was from the original S1, and honestly, I kinda liked how they introduced Azula, along with Ty Lee and Mai, but I'm probably the only one who thinks that.
Never trust a live-action remake. They'll just damage the source material
I miss when live-action remakes were true to the source material like Diary of a Wimpy Kid or Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Now live-action remakes are made by salty Hollywood execs who despises animation.
Diary of a Wimpy Kid was not completely accurate to the source material, but in a good way. It ended up being a better story overall
my biggest gripe with this is just the way lines were written. it sounds like a middle schooler writing a play at points because the words and language is just so unserious and immature.
I know you said this wasn't an issue for you in the video, but it actually was really grating on me how much Netflix was stuffing into each episode. They threw Jet, Omashu, and the Northern Air Temple plotlines into episode 3 when, in spite of the similarities in themes, they had darn good reasons for being separate stories in the original series. The entire reason they went to Omashu was to explore Aang's relationship with Bumi and the old world, but now the king just seems bitter and really bad at his job. Jet's story was about how the Fire Nation civilians weren't at fault and targeting them was pointless in the scheme of the whole war, so it's only *more* confusing that he's bombing Earth Kingdom cities and putting the lives of his own nation's people at risk. One of the reasons Teo and the mechanist were at the Northern Air Temple was so Aang could see the wanton destruction and lack of respect for his culture from the fugitives hiding there and reconciling that with the fact that these people are still persecuted and need a home, but that's all lost when they changed locations.
I'm not trying to be one of those "all change is bad" types, but it's hard not to be when the changes seem more to be about production cost than anything else.
Doing away with the Aang and Katara love plot is probably the only change I'm okay with... Mostly because now that its live action actors, who are minors, having a love story between them is a lot more awkward than it was in the show (even though there's only a 2 year age gap canonically).
This should’ve been 12 episodes
Amongst many other gripes, I feel that they've removed a lot of the fun to make it seem more 'adult' yet at the same time hold your hand like a child giving so much more exposition, telling you directly what is happening and how people feel, that it lands in an uncanny valley space for me.
Gyatso, the greatest airbender in the world, didn't even put up a fight that lasted more than ten seconds... In the original show, Gyatso was surrounded by the bodies of almost a platoon of firebenders... Bumi is portrayed as a salty, dumb old man who blames his 12-year-old friend (a literal child) for running away instead of a nutty yet very wise and understanding old friend who gives guidance to Aang to be a better Avatar... Katara is supposed to be the most mature of the group, very headstrong, brave, and sturdy like a rock. Yet she's also caring and maternalistic, like a mother. She's a very remarkable female character who has faith in everyone and never refuses to turn her back on people who need her. I say everybody should have a sister or even a mother like Katara. That is how brilliant Katara's character is. Not a submissive little sister who needs to be looked after by her big brother, like how they portrayed her in the Netflix Live Action. Airbending seemed okay, but a lot more improvement is needed to show the full potential of airbending (not good enough). Earthbending doesn't have any solid martial art choreography and stance that makes it look like Earthbending. It just looks like people using telekinesis to chuck rocks at each other, like Magneto in X-men. Appa should have more character, as he's a very important member of the team that carries the whole gang on his back throughout the entire show. By the way, I didn't know Momo died because I didn't care to watch more episodes of Netflix's Live Action bullcrap... I am actually fuming at the showrunners right now 😠👿.
It's important to note that the show runner for one piece is one of the biggest fans of the source material, not like the way every show runner is like "yeah I'm such a huge fan" no, he is genuinely a nerd about One Piece. That's why the show succeeded so well, I think. Whereas with ATLA apparently the original creators of the show left due to creative differences (or something like that)
I actually liked it. It definitely had it’s flaws, it wasn’t perfect, but by and large I think it did about as good of a job as possible adapting avatar into an 8 episode runtime (which clearly wasn’t enough). Anyways, here’s my niche criticism: I didn’t like the way the past avatars were handled. In the original they all felt wise and level-headed, yet distinct from one another. So why now is Roku acting like a child despite clearly being the oldest, Kiyoshi is a jerk practically screaming about being a warrior, and Kuruk acts like an angry child that throws temper tantrums? Ugh. Like I said, I like the series but man, really?
They definitely need more episodes for season 2
I found it very strange That ang just went for a ride to get his mind of being the avatar and that’s when he crashed, I feel it completely took away from his character as in the original he actively was running away and has to deal with that fact
The really weird thing was that characters called out Aang for “running away” when he didn’t in this. The entire bumi arc makes no sense since he never actually ran away here but honestly that’s Netflix for you
Subtle?? Nah doesn't exist. Everything needs to be explained!!
Ang tried to best Peter Pan☹️
Very true, they literally made Aang weak, vulnerable and nerfed
They really did turn the quiet rage of the ocean spirit into Godzilla sinking tugboats in a giant bathtub
someone needs to tell them SHOW NOT TELL
I enjoyed it as a huge fan of the original cartoon. I’d definitely tune in for the other seasons.
Though, it was far from perfect. I think relationships and dialogue between some characters felt way too stunted in the live action. The writing didn’t shine through. Some of the characters didn’t grab my attention and steal my heart the way their animated counterparts did.
Unfortunately, I’m not sure how much I would enjoy this show (if at all), if I wasn’t such a major fan of the original.. in another universe where the Netflix version is the only Avatar we know, the show never would have survived 20 years past its air date as a culturally relevant piece of media.
This vid says it well; it’s kinda surface level
Zuko looks way too cute. Back in the day I remember falling in love whit the "bad-boy" type of character who doesn't really give a fk and that is what made the character so attractive. The show later on had the whole story line with Zuko and Katara but clearly now he is just not as attractive and that crosses out one of the greatest romantic developments of the series.
What’s the background song towards the end? It sounds familiar
I would love to see the series ADD to it. go beyond Book 3 and show the charters age. It could answer what happens to Zuko's Mom. It could show who Toph's husband was. It could give us a slow build up to Korra. Show us how Aang died. Show us Zuko getting married. I think it would be fun to go beyond.
Not expecting Netflix to pick up more books. When has Netflix ever finished a story?
If they do a flashback to the firelords father the previous firelord, they should get jet li from the third mummy movie to play the previous firelord
Who wants next 2 seasons to have more episodes, sokka to make more jokes, iroh to talk about and drink more tea, zukko have a great redemption arc like the cartoon, katara to be more overprotective, toph to be the same, appa have the lost and found arc, zuko and aang learn the original path of firebending, iroh gain his six packs, azula to be more menacing, aang be more goofy and stop being so funny.
This is the second time Bryan and Mike have failed to protect their show 🤦🏾♀️ those guys have no b a l l s.
Their franchise is CURSED. I’m convinced that the curse started after ATLA ended in 2008. Mike and Bryan SUCK. It’s funny how they’re hopping on all of these random projects but they keep ignoring what we’ve been asking for…. ANIMATION. More ANIMATION. Those two are jokes and probably just want their cut 💰. One hit wonders just riding off of Aang.
@@IAmPhoenixXxXx lol they do suck. I’m glad someone else can say it. YES the ATLA cartoon is a masterpiece but they as men are weak as f*ck
I think this show would have been SPECTACULAR if it was picked up by Apple TV+, the CGI on that platform is some of the best I have ever seen EVER. It's absolutely stunning, and of course if the original creators stayed on the show.
100 percent agree.
Him (Aang) burning Katara does actually happen in book one in the cartoon when he tries to learn from the old fire bender master , and then he vows to never firebend again and Katara is like okay but you're the avatar so you're gonna have to, and he's like no, i don't want to ever again... it doesn't happen in the same way, it's way more elaborate amd powerful as it seems with most things in this comparison
Can we just STOP having Live Action Avatar stuff??
We need more ANIMATION.
They seriously didn’t learn from the Follies of Shyamalan with the insistent telling instead of showing.
i find it funny how this first season is about the same length as the cartoon (8x 50ish minutes versus 20x 20 minute) it still had to cut stuff and put other stories together and barelly added anything new
Zuko: You're just a child!
Aang: And you're just a teenager!
This line carries so much weight because it shows how war forces kids to fight but this show left it out!! They neuter messages because it's childish but then forgets to put the tragedies in. They put more care into adding a few curse words too as if that makes this show more adult. 🙄