Ott for me. using the thin side of the band for me is much more accurate then using the flat side. I have tried the ttf but my accuracy is reduced 50% or more. Im more then happy to try a few different ttf designs to see if it changes, but the ott is easier to setup, make the slingshot and is far more accurate for me. John uses ttf very well tho so that method shoots the same as you said. At the end of the day, if i had a ttf and ott that shot the same id still pick up the ott as it looks better imo and the setup including the bands takes less time to put together for me anyway. Grest video mate, happy shooting👍
I think it is down to what one is used to; thing to bare in mind all slingshots grea as silly little boy using were, looking back were actually TTF, Barnett Black Widow and another ‘Toy’ slingshot, which in hindsight isn’t a Toy, but it is funny how nobody ever misuses a slingshot; but you always sees idiots misuse handguns and crossbows
Thank you sir I enjoy watching informative videos about slingshots also I am hoping to get a simple shot TORQUE real soon as I was made aware of the measurement stats for the fork tips if I'm correct im sure they say that the torque fork tips measure at 30 mm which I think is awesome so when I band up experiment with 25/15 taper and 30/15 taper etc strictly experimenting for my hunting set up etc u know nowadays you don't need to overdo it with too much power but what I noticed when I got my gzk green .72 bands 20/15 taper my ammo 8 mm and 9.5 mm didn't exactly go through empty baked beans can you see I have seen guys online shoot from 20 meters away with 8 mm steel ammo and puncture empty baked beans can with ease so I want my power like there's etc thanks....
My thought is that TTF is better for the band life. not sure how to put in to words my reason for thinking this but it has to do with the band staying flat the whole way through the fork while being shot. If anyone knows what I mean maybe you can explain it better? I'm just getting in to slingshots and have not even shot a flat band yet only my Harbor freight and Walmart slingshot but have a flat band on the way.
I haven tried through the forks yet but I can see it's seems so much easier to aim so I would imagine it's far more accurate on targets...sorry to answer this comment 6 years later loool I have just decided to take up catapulting as a hobby just the other day ha ha it's awesome i love it id wish I'd of started it all much sooner stay blessed from the U.K
That is simply not the case. We just returned from the Slingshot World Cup in Italy where only two of the top ten shooters were shooting TTF. First through eighth place were all shooting OTT.
TTF not giving band slap is a disadvantage as far as you don't know if you are using properly matched bands and ammo. And if you aren't shooting matched ammo and bands in TTF you are slapping those bands against the hard fork frame instead of your much softer hands, which in turn reduces bands life more than OTT, so there's a big disadvantage there. Also I can make an OTT in minutes from a tree branch, not so easy for TTF. So what are all those advantages TTF has over OTT?
@@oneuponedown Yo, yes I know TTF does slap against the forks and will wear out the bands, but I found it to be not nearly as badly as OTF rubbing against the ends of the fork, Plus if you over flip an OTF on the shot it can return shot back to the shooter, I shot myself on the ribs once xD and crack a window behind me with an OTF, so its unsafe!!! TTF frames are generally bigger to allow for the passage bands through or else greater danger of hitting the forks OTF needs to be well finished and smooth or else the bands will go, but OTF frames can be made with very small Y stick, small enough to fit inside the palm of your hand or key ring Game Keeper John one of the best slingshot shooters ever, but even he, if you noticed he only uses TTF in competitions, because they are more accurate Yeah, speed of making OTF is faster compared to banding up TTF in the way it is commonly done, but there is a way that Old Rufus the slinghot Guy fits bands that doesn't take longer than OTF; you don't even have to saw slits into the forks Here, vid on how to band up this way: czcams.com/video/wTJ4Xp4HqIc/video.html And the man behind that method of banding slingshots: czcams.com/video/9ieWrWLjii0/video.html This guy was one of the best slingshot shooters
I just got one of your axiom ocularis catties yesterday which came with a couple of bands sets and I just wanted to know the stretch ratio of the bands and if they're set up more for OTF or TTF as I'm firing and a few inch to the left in the TTF configuration (with 9.5mm steel). Also the packaging states they're matched for 11mm steel which sounds a bit over the top as I tend to shoot 8-9.5mm. I'm thinking about trimming a touch off the length of the bands and maybe switching to a 9.5mm lead shot as I think it'll match these bands better but keep up the good work and any advice would be much appreciated as it'll save me lots of trail and error as I'm fairly new
I know, it is not your product, but I really would like to see a review, or the most similar product, to that from Grim Workshop Credit Card Sling shot. Does simpleshot carry something similar in size? And capable of being a micro-slingbow?
i shoot my oxium TTF because i think it looks cooler than OTT :D. But in my opinion if you shot sideway (gangster) you can line up the band better if you shoot OTT, because the band appears thiner.
Reference points are personal preference so there's no one size fits all. Keep an eye on our emails though, so you can submit this question for next season of Ask Nathan.
I’ve not tried TTF on my scout pro and I’m fairly accurate but I notice if I move my hand position it takes a bit to get back on target. Do you think I would be more consistent TTF
one should wear a leather glove, to avoid handslaps, I personnaly follow this practice. Archers in medieval times wore gloves, surely they knew what they did!
No band slap with OTT means your bands and ammo are matched properly. Not many people care to do this and just shoot whatever with whatever bands they have and then complain that they don't get what is wrong with their shooting or that they are annoyed with getting slapped all the time when using an OTT fork. Bands, ammo, and how you hold the fork and pouch are way more important then what type of fork you are using.
@@simpleshot THIS NEEDS SOME SCIENCE. get the three best people that shoot OTT and 3 TFF. And get some data Would really make great content. For me at least lol
A great way to learn more about slingshots, shooting, and accuracy are the courses from Slingshot Mastery (link included below) www.slingshotmastery.com/ It does have a cost of $55 (which is well worth it). When you think about the cost of a frame being that is destroyed by frame hits makes it a great deal. Plus, it will help you enjoy the frames you have already, even more!
@@simpleshot I am a newbies in slingshot and enjoying my SCOUT Lt frames since I got it... Using it makes me more stable hitting my target... My concern is how to fix the fork hits on my frame...
They are not both just as good; he just said himself that most competition shooters use through the fork, this is because it is more accurate than over the fork, no hand slaps, it is also easier to attach a red dot sight or scope onto a TTF slingshot, just look at all the slingshots with optics available, they are practically all TTF, Gamekeeper John, one of the best shooters he always uses TTF in tournaments, most of the slingshot frames he makes are TTF With OTF it allows for a more compact and smaller slingshot; TTF slingshots favour a wider fork width (And are generally larger and less suitable to put inside small jacket pocket) because there is a greater chance of hitting the forks with an improperly anchored draw OTF is also slightly better for shooting butterfly style due to the long draw length were there is greater chance of misaligning a draw and hitting the forks, OTF configured slingshot also wear the bands out faster since there is a larger area of frictional contact with the fork upon draw OTF can be dangerous for the shooter, if you over flip upon release it is possible for the band to retain the ammo and swing back at you; I cracked a window behind me and shot myself on the ribs once, it is not a very safe configuration, it could hit someone behind you by accident! OTF frame is quicker to make out in the field, but personally I wouldn’t use over the fork for hunts, TTF is far more accurate
OTT was the dominant band setup at the Slingshot World Cup in Italy where the top 8 out of the top ten shooters were shooting OTT. We still contend that both are as good as the other, but when the best in the world compete for title of World Champion and the majority of the shooters use OTT, the evidence suggests that OTT is every bit as good and accurate as TTF. Long and short...shoot what you like and shoot it as well as you can. And make sure you are having fun while doing it!
SimpleShot Shooting Sports I know different countries prefer different configurations, my first use of slingshots as a boy was TTF, so I admit there may be bias, in the end of the day what you are used to factors into accuracy, or it may just be in my head Accuracy aside, the other differences hold true, OTF is faster to make, enables smaller slingshot frames; it is possible to have an OTF frame fit inside the palm of your hand and still shoot just as good, but it does wear out the bands faster, (TTF does batter the bands against the fork, but that wears them out slower than OTF) so as far as hunting out in the field is concerned, I would want bands to last as long as possible using TTF I do train with OTF as well in case TTF frame is unavailable, good ought to be comfortable with both
TTF not giving band slap is a disadvantage as far as you don't know if you are using properly matched bands and ammo. And if you aren't shooting matched ammo and bands in TTF you are slapping those bands against the hard fork frame instead of your much softer hands, which in turn reduces bands life more than OTT, so there's a big disadvantage there. Also I can make an OTT in minutes from a tree branch, not so easy for TTF.
Ott for me. using the thin side of the band for me is much more accurate then using the flat side. I have tried the ttf but my accuracy is reduced 50% or more. Im more then happy to try a few different ttf designs to see if it changes, but the ott is easier to setup, make the slingshot and is far more accurate for me. John uses ttf very well tho so that method shoots the same as you said. At the end of the day, if i had a ttf and ott that shot the same id still pick up the ott as it looks better imo and the setup including the bands takes less time to put together for me anyway. Grest video mate, happy shooting👍
I think it is down to what one is used to; thing to bare in mind all slingshots grea as silly little boy using were, looking back were actually TTF, Barnett Black Widow and another ‘Toy’ slingshot, which in hindsight isn’t a Toy, but it is funny how nobody ever misuses a slingshot; but you always sees idiots misuse handguns and crossbows
Thank you sir I enjoy watching informative videos about slingshots also I am hoping to get a simple shot TORQUE real soon as I was made aware of the measurement stats for the fork tips if I'm correct im sure they say that the torque fork tips measure at 30 mm which I think is awesome so when I band up experiment with 25/15 taper and 30/15 taper etc strictly experimenting for my hunting set up etc u know nowadays you don't need to overdo it with too much power but what I noticed when I got my gzk green .72 bands 20/15 taper my ammo 8 mm and 9.5 mm didn't exactly go through empty baked beans can you see I have seen guys online shoot from 20 meters away with 8 mm steel ammo and puncture empty baked beans can with ease so I want my power like there's etc thanks....
I entered thinking this video was about the differences between font formats
Hah!! Never even thought about that!
And you found something so much more fun! :)
My thought is that TTF is better for the band life. not sure how to put in to words my reason for thinking this but it has to do with the band staying flat the whole way through the fork while being shot.
If anyone knows what I mean maybe you can explain it better?
I'm just getting in to slingshots and have not even shot a flat band yet only my Harbor freight and Walmart slingshot but have a flat band on the way.
I personally prefer threw the forks!
I haven tried through the forks yet but I can see it's seems so much easier to aim so I would imagine it's far more accurate on targets...sorry to answer this comment 6 years later loool I have just decided to take up catapulting as a hobby just the other day ha ha it's awesome i love it id wish I'd of started it all much sooner stay blessed from the U.K
Great video
Thanks again...
Very welcome.
All in all, the number of advantages of TTF configuration by far outweighs OTF
That is simply not the case. We just returned from the Slingshot World Cup in Italy where only two of the top ten shooters were shooting TTF. First through eighth place were all shooting OTT.
TTF not giving band slap is a disadvantage as far as you don't know if you are using properly matched bands and ammo. And if you aren't shooting matched ammo and bands in TTF you are slapping those bands against the hard fork frame instead of your much softer hands, which in turn reduces bands life more than OTT, so there's a big disadvantage there. Also I can make an OTT in minutes from a tree branch, not so easy for TTF. So what are all those advantages TTF has over OTT?
@@oneuponedown
Yo, yes I know TTF does slap against the forks and will wear out the bands, but I found it to be not nearly as badly as OTF rubbing against the ends of the fork,
Plus if you over flip an OTF on the shot it can return shot back to the shooter, I shot myself on the ribs once xD and crack a window behind me with an OTF, so its unsafe!!!
TTF frames are generally bigger to allow for the passage bands through or else greater danger of hitting the forks
OTF needs to be well finished and smooth or else the bands will go, but OTF frames can be made with very small Y stick, small enough to fit inside the palm of your hand or key ring
Game Keeper John one of the best slingshot shooters ever, but even he, if you noticed he only uses TTF in competitions, because they are more accurate
Yeah, speed of making OTF is faster compared to banding up TTF in the way it is commonly done, but there is a way that Old Rufus the slinghot Guy fits bands that doesn't take longer than OTF; you don't even have to saw slits into the forks
Here, vid on how to band up this way:
czcams.com/video/wTJ4Xp4HqIc/video.html
And the man behind that method of banding slingshots:
czcams.com/video/9ieWrWLjii0/video.html
This guy was one of the best slingshot shooters
I just got one of your axiom ocularis catties yesterday which came with a couple of bands sets and I just wanted to know the stretch ratio of the bands and if they're set up more for OTF or TTF as I'm firing and a few inch to the left in the TTF configuration (with 9.5mm steel). Also the packaging states they're matched for 11mm steel which sounds a bit over the top as I tend to shoot 8-9.5mm. I'm thinking about trimming a touch off the length of the bands and maybe switching to a 9.5mm lead shot as I think it'll match these bands better but keep up the good work and any advice would be much appreciated as it'll save me lots of trail and error as I'm fairly new
I know, it is not your product, but I really would like to see a review, or the most similar product, to that from Grim Workshop Credit Card Sling shot. Does simpleshot carry something similar in size? And capable of being a micro-slingbow?
i shoot my oxium TTF because i think it looks cooler than OTT :D. But in my opinion if you shot sideway (gangster) you can line up the band better if you shoot OTT, because the band appears thiner.
I had a scope shot in the 70’s
My dear sir, would u kindly demonstrate whether ref point r/o OTT slingshot&TTF slingshot temain same(45,90&180 degree)?
Reference points are personal preference so there's no one size fits all.
Keep an eye on our emails though, so you can submit this question for next season of Ask Nathan.
nice video :DD
Your so good at making vidoes😎😎😎😄
Hey Nathan,
Based on pros and cons, what is best to shoot: a METAL slingshot or a WOODEN slingshot?
That is dependent on the shooter.
I’ve not tried TTF on my scout pro and I’m fairly accurate but I notice if I move my hand position it takes a bit to get back on target. Do you think I would be more consistent TTF
That is something that you will just need to try.
one should wear a leather glove, to avoid handslaps, I personnaly follow this practice. Archers in medieval times wore gloves, surely they knew what they did!
You can, but you can also avoid it altogether. And your system will last longer and be more efficient at the same time!
🌹🌹
Guess I'm lucky I have a hard time shooting ttf so I shoot OTT and never had a hand slap yet
I'm the opposite, I can shoot ttf good but can't get to grips with ott.
No band slap with OTT means your bands and ammo are matched properly. Not many people care to do this and just shoot whatever with whatever bands they have and then complain that they don't get what is wrong with their shooting or that they are annoyed with getting slapped all the time when using an OTT fork. Bands, ammo, and how you hold the fork and pouch are way more important then what type of fork you are using.
Is there a scientific explanation for both? Si if one is actually better than the other or pros and cons explained more scientifically
It’s true: there’s not! People shoot with incredible accuracy with both but if you look at the best in the world . . .
They almost all shoot OTT.
@@simpleshot THIS NEEDS SOME SCIENCE. get the three best people that shoot OTT and 3 TFF. And get some data Would really make great content. For me at least lol
How to fix fork hits on my SCOUT LT?
A great way to learn more about slingshots, shooting, and accuracy are the courses from Slingshot Mastery (link included below)
www.slingshotmastery.com/
It does have a cost of $55 (which is well worth it). When you think about the cost of a frame being that is destroyed by frame hits makes it a great deal. Plus, it will help you enjoy the frames you have already, even more!
@@simpleshot I am a newbies in slingshot and enjoying my SCOUT Lt frames since I got it... Using it makes me more stable hitting my target... My concern is how to fix the fork hits on my frame...
Ttf
i heard some one whisper
Did any one else come here thinking this was going to be a CSS3 tutorial? lol. Anyway, this was a fun mistake to land on this video.
They are not both just as good; he just said himself that most competition shooters use through the fork, this is because it is more accurate than over the fork, no hand slaps, it is also easier to attach a red dot sight or scope onto a TTF slingshot, just look at all the slingshots with optics available, they are practically all TTF, Gamekeeper John, one of the best shooters he always uses TTF in tournaments, most of the slingshot frames he makes are TTF
With OTF it allows for a more compact and smaller slingshot; TTF slingshots favour a wider fork width (And are generally larger and less suitable to put inside small jacket pocket) because there is a greater chance of hitting the forks with an improperly anchored draw
OTF is also slightly better for shooting butterfly style due to the long draw length were there is greater chance of misaligning a draw and hitting the forks, OTF configured slingshot also wear the bands out faster since there is a larger area of frictional contact with the fork upon draw
OTF can be dangerous for the shooter, if you over flip upon release it is possible for the band to retain the ammo and swing back at you; I cracked a window behind me and shot myself on the ribs once, it is not a very safe configuration, it could hit someone behind you by accident!
OTF frame is quicker to make out in the field, but personally I wouldn’t use over the fork for hunts, TTF is far more accurate
OTT was the dominant band setup at the Slingshot World Cup in Italy where the top 8 out of the top ten shooters were shooting OTT. We still contend that both are as good as the other, but when the best in the world compete for title of World Champion and the majority of the shooters use OTT, the evidence suggests that OTT is every bit as good and accurate as TTF. Long and short...shoot what you like and shoot it as well as you can. And make sure you are having fun while doing it!
SimpleShot Shooting Sports
I know different countries prefer different configurations, my first use of slingshots as a boy was TTF, so I admit there may be bias, in the end of the day what you are used to factors into accuracy, or it may just be in my head
Accuracy aside, the other differences hold true, OTF is faster to make, enables smaller slingshot frames; it is possible to have an OTF frame fit inside the palm of your hand and still shoot just as good, but it does wear out the bands faster, (TTF does batter the bands against the fork, but that wears them out slower than OTF) so as far as hunting out in the field is concerned, I would want bands to last as long as possible using TTF
I do train with OTF as well in case TTF frame is unavailable, good ought to be comfortable with both
Couldn't agree more. TTF is easier to master,and far more consistent with accuracy.
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TTF not giving band slap is a disadvantage as far as you don't know if you are using properly matched bands and ammo. And if you aren't shooting matched ammo and bands in TTF you are slapping those bands against the hard fork frame instead of your much softer hands, which in turn reduces bands life more than OTT, so there's a big disadvantage there. Also I can make an OTT in minutes from a tree branch, not so easy for TTF.
too much blahblahblah.