Microsoldering 101: Water Damage and Corrosion
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2015
- Today is the day we learn about water damage and corrosion! One of the most common ways devices get damaged is through contact with water. Drops and spills play havoc on all electronic devices, but it is possible to fix the damage water causes. Today Jessa walks us through how to recognize water damaged circuit boards, the proper way to address water damage, and shows us just how effective an ultrasonic cleaner can be!
Thanks to Jessa for spending the week with us and showing us all these amazing repairs and techniques.
Make sure you check out and subscribe to Jessa’s CZcams Channel for more Microsoldering videos
/ @jessajones
and Visit her site if you find yourself needing her services
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This lady is unbelievably professional and articulate.
+MrCube17 I absolutely agree, a real inspiration here!
+MrCube17 Thanks!
+iPad Rehab why did he remove the boards by dunking his hand into the tank when this unit has a wire basket.
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Yeah “you know”
my mate used to regularly dunk his nokia 3310 into beer. damn thing was indestructible...
For those of us that were wondering about the "filter". It seems to be an inductor. I had to look it up, but it's to block any ac or ripple, supposedly.
If a customer asks me what brand ultrasonic cleaner I am using and whether I am taking the shields off, I would be politely sending them off to a shop I hate for that customer to become THEIR nightmare.
+Louis Rossmann they should invite you to do some repairs...just saying...
I would ask him to do the repair on his own
Not certain about the points made but ,if anyone else is searching for
electronic tv repair
try Saankramer Electronic Magazine System ( search on google ) ? Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my cousin got cool success with it.
@@mahmoudelberri4953 I would love a place that allows you to repair your own board. That would be great.
This series is awesome, made me buy a hot air station and pratice on my old waterdamaged ipod. Managed to repair the backlight and resoldered some components for practice, still works ;)
How hot did you put hot station air and the air flow?
It depends on the station you are using, test it out on an old board :)
oh oke thanks
$800 ultrasonic cleaner and $60 for the multi meter? right that the way to go! thanks thought there is some good point in this video
Love all these videos, could watch stuff like this every day! Thanks!
Jessa... eres super inteligente y dedicas tu tiempo a explicar de lo mejor ..TK
Why is he always interrupting her?
couse he is learning and making question help set the knowledge in the memory
I looked at the comments before I watched the video and now all I can see is him interrupting her smh why 😂
This lady is unbelievably professional wow.
I would get a lot of salt and alkali corrosion around the battery(ies). I had about $800,000 in test equipment on a rooftop when a fast moving violent storm dumped 2" of rain on me in about 15 minutes. I managed to get everything working again. We still had access to trich back then, and the facility had a UPW (DI) water supply. All I had to do was bring my own ultrasonic cleaner to work. They had the UPW, microscopes, testers and trich in house. This was back when thermal imaging cameras were around $140,000, plus you wore a battery belt, and we had Dranetz, Q factor, and variable load cells, on the roof. When there is lightning everywhere, that million dollars of stuff on the roof is expendable, compared to the manpower. Rip out the test leads, close the equipment panel doors, if something will fit inside the cab, throw it in, and evacuate that rooftop ASAP. 1 death and that facility is shut down for 1-3 days. One outage 30 of minutes into a process, and that can cost $8M to the facility, so that $800K of equipment is expendable, and it can usually be repaired. I don't climb around on rooftops, or fan attics or interstitials, and do tool installs, power management assessments, and preventative maintenance. I am too old and beat up for that now. I am in my own shop doing similar repairs, indoors, (most of the time). If the traces lift off a board, I can rebond them. I too have the Hakko hot air station, and the $2000 German Weller, and a Ramsey RFI glove box, and I have used ultrasonic for many years. The little German tips from Weller will spoon in tiny bits of solder on those FUBAR SMD components and the chip terminals. What is it? A $600 cell phone or a $60,000 thermal imaging camera, or a $600,000 O Scope with extra RADAR or DDR modules? A good $6000-$12,000 LCR pays for itself very quickly. You can run through and check caps in circuit, and it just save so much time. I try to stay away from the smart phones and video games. That is what it is, and there lots of competition. I have my ham license, and that is one element of my work. The rest is audio amplification, and guitars. Those are the bread and butter, and the gravy is test equipment repairs. Sometimes it's pretty nasty gravy.
Joan. Interesting. I Googled "trich" but i didn't see anything that made sense. What piece of gear were you referring to, if you don't mind my asking?
loving the 'no rabbit holes' shirt :D
Awesome video. Is there a ultrasonic cleaner what you can recommend wich is smaller then the CP500D. Just for small boards?
This video helped me repair my Bluetooth headphones! Thank you so much Very informative
This is good advice.
My brother has a Mk2 Audi TTs with the Bose sound system and they ALL suffer from water damage that comes in from an unsealed body panel. Thanks Audi for not stepping up and taking ownership of your poor workmanship.
I'm going to open it up and attempt to clean off the corrosion if it isn't beyond DIY repair. Then apply conformal coating and seal the gap Audi should have done at the factory.
ok , i just loved this series of video !!
This video has been amazing thank you so much
Great video! Do you have an update on a consumer version cleaner that someone could try at home for a reasonable price?
Cheap Cricket phone. Just trying to get the pictures off of it.
Never really under stood the use of the shields, that's really cool makes a lot more sense than heat or whatever I thought they were there before
How often would you recommend changing the solution in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Excellent. More of this stuff
This is incredibly indepth! neat
You you resolder the shields back onto the board or leave them off?
Awesome, great learning
what is that liquid she used in the small bottle please?
Very informative and interesting. Thanks!
Where do you get the parts from ? is there schematics for these boards ?
great information
Awesome demo. I. Would like to know where I can. I find someone to do this for me to clean a circuit board that got water damage.Where or how would. I find this kind of business. Thanks for any information u could give me. You guys really are awesome.
Is electronics contact cleaner able to remove water corrosion from laptop pcb ribbon cable socket? Is Cyclo electronics contact cleaner any good for removing water corrosion?
Hi, great video
Please advise i swan with my iphone 7 plus at the beach and it had a very bad corrosion.
Iv taken it to two techs and they said it cant be fixed.
Is there so other way i could at least get my information on the phone?
Please help
Same thing with my phone 😭
in theory you could pull out the memory components and put them into a working phone, offload the images, and then put the working phone back together. That assuming the phones storage wasn't damaged
I looked at the Crest ultrasonic cleaners and they carry various sizes rangeing from .5 gallon to 7 gallons. my work would be on cellular phones. what is your recommendation
the smallest one
60 ml only
I am glad my Moto G had an internal waterproof coating, I had a case on it and dropped it in like water of 50cm depth and it survived and then dropped it in a muddy puddle hiking, and it survived. Of course it's dead now from an OTA, the last thing I expected to kill it.
My question is once you remove the shields; how to put them back on? Solder?
hi friends.
is it possible to have water damange just by living close to the sea?
to be more specific. my 2015 macbook pro died in 2018.
tec guy said it was water damange.
can it be possible?
is yes. what can i do to prevent this kind of corrosion?
the moving electrons speed up the process of oxidation resulting corrosion
Hola .. como se llama el instrumento en el que colocas la placa para desoldar los blindajes? ... ese que es una especie de tubo con una rosca en su parte superior? ... MGracias !
Que? So... *_Queso!_*
Should all ribbon cables be removed from the boards prior to immersing in a cleaner bath. I have a drone and the ribbon pin connectors have been exposed to the water . It would be pointless cleaning the board if I have to replace the ribbons (8 in all)
I'm wondering if ther is any reason the manufacturer couldn't dip the board in a lacquer or polly to protect them or do they need to like breath or something ? Obviously I'd need to a non conductive material
Will someone please slap the dude shut. Let the woman speak man!
does the orientation of the replacement caps matter?
+Jon Luke (SP3IIL) not unless they are tantalum caps that have a big plus on them
Can you stop interrupting her geesh
host needs to learn how to host instead of trying to nerd at the same level or out nerd. A good host asks questions to draw out a rephrasing/reiteration of the presenters points, allow the presenter to naturally expand the subject or detail a fine point/confirm their understanding with a paraphrase in a question tone "so you're saying x and y cause z?". This dude just interrupts with "I KNOw THIS STUFF TOO"(but he clearly has a limited understanding in comparison) and on top of that his voice is so meek, muddy and unintelligible in comparison... even if he were to have had a deeper knowledge on anything, Id bet 9 out of 10 people would still prefer her explanation
Need a great place to recover my texts from a salt water damaged ZTE ZMAX Vero Beach FL Ty in advance
how do you open it
How much does a shop usually charge for this? Why are people saying its not worth it from a business owner point of view?
What about flux and heat gun?
@20:45..uhhh 🙈 did she just brush off part of the circuit board lol ??
I like her as my CZcams teacher! She's very professional and transparent
please show me all board cleaning tools !
this started like a nice video but after hearing YOU KNOW for like 30 times in a row i just couldn't watch any longer... shame really :S
Started repairing 4s, overkill cleaner shook half of the components off the board, at the end a 5c was shown working..... ESD is a myth ?
No ESD is real
Use less cleaner dilute it in more water
What model of Crest was that?
OpticWhite® Sensitive Max™
Talking about phone in salt water, i worked for sea trek helmet at doctors cave beach mobay jamaica, omg i saved so many phones that accidentally fell in the salt water,,,first thing i did was to remove battery and dump in fresh water,blow dry with scuba tank then pulled it apart give as good as i can an alcohol cleaning then leave in the sun as long as posible then reassemble, works every time escept from semens phone they seemed to always burn out as soon as they 2 feet of salt water,
Yeah you did the right thing
Rohan Boswell jjjj
What is the liquid into ultrasonic cleaner?
Sounds like Branson ultrasonic cleaning solution. Branson's EC 100ml to a gal of distilled water.
Im a definite new subscriber. This micro soldering series was excellent and greatly appreciated.
Good
Guest star Louis next !
should you not wear a wristband anti static while handling the board?
+xiphy94 sure, if I was working in a production factory meeting standards. But for iPhone boards, it just doesnt make a practical difference. I am evidence-based girl. If you guys can convince me that ESD is actually important in this situation, then I'll use ESD protection. Right now, I look at it like this. If after fixing thousands of boards I got calls from people where they just stopped working and they sent them back with chip failures then I would take ESD seriously for mobile device repair. But I've never had even one warranty issue in that category.
When I work in a lab handling radioactivity or patient DNA samples---I wear gloves. When I extract DNA in the Kindergarten class from strawberries, I don't bother.
+xiphy94 ESD is very common and although an anti static wristband is kinda of "overprotective" it's useful, you should be ok, as long as you are touching a big piece of metal every 5 minutes or so
Yea and btw an iPhone logic board has a lot of grounding planes. Chances are really low when it comes down to ESD Damage since the iPhone logic board since the iPhone 4 has an intergrated ESD suppressor which protects it. Started from Dialog Semiconductors Ashley PMIC architecture.
+iPad Rehab to be honest I never use a wrist band . I don't use nothing. never had an issue yet lol
+James Birkin Neither had I, and I've built all of my own PC's for the last 10 years. If you wanna be safe, just touch a radiator before working on your stuff.
If practical, given the availability of distilled water, wouldn't it be best to open a phone, and dunk/rinse it in that first while it was still wet (after depowering it), then dunk it in alcohol? The clean water would help dissolve and wash away corrosive minerals before they can corrode anything. Alcohol alone will only absorb and evaporate the water; it won't necessarily keep mineral contaminants in solution and away from the metals and solder. In fact, the alcohol alone might exacerbate things by concentrating and accelerating mineral deposition.
Hello Jessa,
Thank you for these great tutorials!
Having some trouble pinning down the problem and would like to trouble you, if it's okay, for help and some insight.
WHAT: LGMP260
THE PROBLEM: Washing machine then in the dryer. No reaction to a battery or to being plugged in to the all.
WHAT I HAVE DONE: Allowed to dry. Took a part down to the board and cleaned out with alcohol. All board components look just fine.
TROUBLE SHOOTING:
Multimeter - the leads in the battery bay produce 0.01 volts (between + and -). The continuity between between the usb charging port and the battery bay leads are 6 - 36 and there resistance was @3 to @23 ohms.
Thank you for your time!
moving electrons
They need to redo this video, love Jessa but man, fire the host.
No Rabbit Holes, i understand that
means?
It's second movie with soldering with Jessa Jones i watched and there is no soldering.
what does she mean with no rabit hole? around 15:00
A rabbit hole to Hell is a job where you think you find the problem, you fix the problem, then you have another issue, and then another, and so on and so on and it never ends
thank you :)
alberto9911 YW
Great video, but it made me cringe to watch the host constantly interrupt the guest and constantly try to show that he knows as much as her. Painful to watch.
"You know.. you know... you know... you know"
But good video thou!
There's no bigger model of the CP500 swallowing ATX motherboards and full-size keyboards? With all due respect of the CP500, $850 for something that can only take the smallest stuff is quite a bit... pricey.
btw i saw mona lisa in left filter 28:16 left side of middle filter
WTF are you about, m8?
wait.. did she dropped HIS PERSONAL phone into the water xD?
So I tried charging my iPhone 11 while it was dead and still wet, does that mean its fixable?
Here's the easy solution. Get a warranty, save your stuff on the cloud.
Aaron Adams ok.. but the video was about water damage or corrosion. You don’t have to be nerdy to want to know how your phone works and what you can do/take preventative measures to ensure your phone never gets like that.
So sad that Apple hates this womans company. They have defamed her great work.
Horrible technique to take off shields .. never do it an the sides always o top of it and never fold it
less talking more doing
I have a Samsung S5. What the hell is "water damage?" ;)
Damage from water
John Doe
How can water damage a phone? Oh wait, you mean some morons design phones without waterproofing? Surely the majority of phone manufacturers wouldn't partake in designing such an obvious, unnecessary weakness into their devices so you have to buy a new one!
I guess we need to look up the definition of sarcasm too....jk...lol...
Samsung claims only water resistance, but they might as well advertise waterproof. It's really hard to get water in them.
+Chris Katko well Apple doesn't waterproof lol
i had 2 phones that both fell into the water, out of my pocket (i was fishing) and they both survived :D
You better buy a lottery ticket as you are the only person in history to have had this happen to them!
The iPhone SE has a motherboard that is immune to liquid
interruption corruption dude !!
Distilled water NO!! The salts comes from the corroding metal in the pins. So it will be conducting after a short while! Isopropyl alcohol is a winner, Secondly, disassemble it as much as possible put it in an oven at 45C (if you cant remove the battery) otherwise 60C for 4-5 hours. This works very well.
“You know, you know… You know!”
Lady… We don’t “know”! That’s why we’re watching your video.
Вот бы весь этот ролик да на русском языке - ему бы не было цены.
omni device how do I find this!
+Tech MD CZcams omnivise
Someone tell this guy to get off the redbull or coffee. DONT DO THE DRUGS!
Think about it..
...Ummmmmm.....you guys are somewhat incorrect when your showing us the board and saying " Look at all this corrosion." It was dropped in salt water right? Well majority of that mess is dried salt,not corrosion. Not saying there's no corrosion there or that it did not corrode. What I am saying is the majority of what you're looking at is dried salt and some corrosion.
Rice works fine if the phone is a little bit of time in water. Also how do take apart phones that have no lids.
Hey I wanted to fix my water damaged iPhone and after going through the process - no success
Why then they wont sel it whit simple plastic bag, even food has it. dont by shit products or not by at all.
"de-soderring" :D :D :D
Always makes me laugh how the Americans insist on a silent L in S O L D E R :D :D :D
90% alcohol is best? Can 70% work as well?
Stop saying ye no yeno
repair not successful?
actually the complete repair will take several hours, is something only worth it to do if someone is able to pay for it :)
The rice thing does work, somehow it works like silica packets. But like you said it depends on how severe the water damage is.
for 200 euro phone they need to do that for free. not my problem that they sell bad quality pruducts, if you sell shit then repai it forr free.
Jānis Rišis These people are not affiliated with apple.
hahah best comment :D but seriously, they can sell that kind of crap because the generic mass mainly value aesthetics. They can sell a 386 for £2000 if they just pimp it up and add some idiotproof software to it. And a week later, of course, everyone will speak about the greatness of the '80s.
I'm sure that is not right to put the battery with the board in any kind of liquid be careful
Solution don't drop your stuff in water! Also don't buy Apple!
The omni vice? This video keeps getting more and more rediculous. Why cant they just call it a plate vice? That's what it is. A vice with two little plates. It's more like a clamp if you ask me, a vice belongs in a garage or a gunsmith cabinet. This may be the dorkiest video of all time
I like Jessa a lot, but this dude is so annoying. This is so painful to watch.
You explained totally wrong how ultrasonic bath works, it doesn't matter the resonance with components. The different sound waves reacting different in fluid at different
frequencies , so the liquid can make pressure to liquid for small components.It is like tiny points of pressure in liquid that allow it to find the smallest places on components to wash them. It create sort of high pressure waves. sort of jets with pressure. They have nothing to do with the resonance of the board components.