Boss DM-101 Analog Delay: Synth & Groovebox Test Drive!
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- čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
- REAL analog delay is back and better than ever! Boss's new DM-101 Delay Machine pedal may not be designed with line level gear or studio use in mind primarily, but it is still viable when utilized in an effects loop (and care is taken with the input level) thanks to its direct effect output mode, and it sounds absolutely beautiful!
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00:00 Intro
01:07 Dub Techno Jam - Dual Mod Mode
02:38 Dub Techno Jam - Pan Mode
03:42 Lofi Beat - Pattern Mode
05:20 - the catch (IMPORTANT)
06:38- Ambient - Classic Mode
09:34 - Classic Synth Arps - Vintage Mode
12:05 - Outro
12:40 - Bonus - Reflect Mode
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Much better than review by guitar youtubers.
Seems strange they didn't include the Guitar/Line input selection as on the RE-202. Especially as it seems like almost the same chassis.
Same chassis, totally different internals being a real analog delay. But yes agreed, it would have nice not have that hurdle
Sounds beautiful! And great video! Thanks!
Some amazing jams here, so damn cool! Subscribed
This is the best demo of this pedal. Thanks!
Thanks David, our pleasure!
you got it, right? :D
this hint about the input level !!! Thank you. I initially was disappointed by the sound... it was all to much. Especially the feedback was easily going crazy. Now with very low input level it sounds way better and i still can overdrive it if i feel like
sounds really nice
Cheers Robert, it's a gorgeous thing!
This is such a cool video. A Re-amper would take the line level feed from your synths, interface or mixer and convert it back to HiZ or Guitar level. If you have that, that opens up a load of other guitar fx pedals. Also, you don't look at the midi capabilities; just imagine automating the amount of parameters on it would be out of this world.
Sweet! I could almost here the tagline for one of my favorite channels, “Welcome to the Deep Space House Mix Show, every Friday on CZcams!”
that dub techno part gave me an eargasm
This lack of headroom for synths is a massive oversight. How could Boss release this like this? Jeeze....
Use an inline pad or an impedance transformer
The guitar videos made me want one now I’m not so sure. Gets better at the end👍🏽
They straight up named it Depeche Mode 101. Had that tour oversized poster up for years and still do.
Already ordered mine from sweetwater. Cant wait to start making some moody dark techno with it.
it's soooo nice on darker sounds, have fun!
@@StoreDJ_online imo it's more expensive than I'd like but they have 48 month 0% financing so I said screw it and ordered lol
Boss\Roland delays are something special. Still have my old MicroCube just coz of delay
everb knob.
The microcube is incredible! I love the flanger in it, I have the original with the AAA batteries
Its usually really hard to find guitar pedals in use with synths. Thanks
Our pleasure!
Hi, wonderful channel!
but if I want to use it as an external effect on my DJ mixer (model 1.4) in return 1, can it work? being that it has mono input, on the mixer I have stereo output.... now I'm using a boss DD7 and I would like to replace it. thanks from Swiss!
Thanks! Unfortunately the Model 1.4 and 1.6 are anomalies in the world of mixers and strictly only cater to stereo signals on the inputs and aux sends, so you'd need an extra device, a mini line mixer maybe, to sum the aux send signal to mono before it goes into the DM-101. Stereo aux sends are very unusual and a big selling point of the mixer for many people - but unfortunately make life a little difficult in this scenario.
I wouldn't like to think that Roland offered no way to change the input level. But yeah...no "LINE / INST" switch. That would leave accessing the firmware via the USB port (I should HOPE!) and changing it there. Maybe. Although, given that pedals are viewed sometimes as a more "live player" device, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't be bothered to just add a switch with the appropriate pad.
But then, I own pretty much zero new Roland or Boss stuff. Haven't thought that the ACB modelling sounded worth a damn, and the COSM architecture before that was about as exciting as watching paint dry, at least in sonic terms.
Gotta give them props for the old-skool A/DA-style case, tho. Those things are just about nuke-proof. But with the current state of older outboard gear and how cheap it is (yes, even on rack gear that can eat the DM101 for lunch) and the really interesting stuff out of China in the past few years, I think Roland's not really thought this out carefully. That $500 street price (in the USA) is a dealbreaker; I can spend that on used rack effects and stompboxes and come out ahead. Roland's just resting on their laurels right now...and that might turn out to be the WRONG idea!
At this point Boss have said the USB port is just for firmware updates, since there's no AD/DA conversion happening within the pedal, it seems unlikely that they'll be able to add a pad to the signal. But who knows what they've got up their sleeves.
Very curious about what this affordable vintage rack gear is that can eat the DM-101 for lunch is, MIDI sync-able stereo analog delay is pretty unique!
@@StoreDJ_online There's plenty. Either boxes like the Alexis Q20 or Korg's A3 fit there, with the Q20 having the ability to use up to eight internal algorithms in a single stereo effect. No BBDs in there, but it fits all of the other criteria. Or just build up a rack of different effects and implement a parallel mixing setup... your limits there are basically how many stereo splits can you find on a decent distro amp and how many sources do you feel like juggling on the return mixer.
The only fail of sorts is the absence of the lower-fi BBD chips. But it's super simple to just add a bit of rolloff above 6 kHz and then to saturate that just a touch, maybe with a passive transformer DI so that you can hit those a touch harder and get the saturation and hysteresis effects to hit right.
Also, inserts often pop up on these older rack processors, such as the Yamaha SPX50D. This lets you drop things into the signal path to make the initial processor get way weirder and more versatile. That's another way.
And lastly...but 100% NOT cheaper than the DM101...would be to build up an effects system in Eurorack. At that point, you have total empirical control over what you want done, right down to tiny details that stompboxes don't usually get to. And with Eurorack, you can have BBDs...Doepfer, in fact, has this utterly mental analog delay module which brings pretty much all of the delay's parameters up to patch points, which definitely dunks on the Boss. It's also possible to interface a Eurorack system with footswitches and control pedals, with the results making typical fx boards sound dull and dated. And you get MIDI sync...and a literal f**kton more!
So, yeah... options exist and also abound. It's just a matter of stepping off of the usual present new devices and their hype and exploring some VERY different ideas.
F'rinstance, until discovering the velcro-ripping joy of the Cuvave FUZZ, my fave psych guitar sound came from a Princeton Applied Research instrumentation preamp I got as industrial surplus. Awesome tone, especially from its onboard LP/HP filters and preamp impedance/topology settings, and it lives to overdrive!
Cherry on the cake there, though, is that whatever was slightly hot about it seems to have finally decayed down to around background radiation levels.
No line level overlooking synth geeks in 2023? Would the cost go up by much to offer line level even if its still just mono in?
The first video of 10 with DM101 whereas demomaker understood how delay could work in a musical way
So it looks like could be nice to connected to a dj mixer like
model 1 playdifferently ?
Unfortunately the Model 1.4 and 1.6 are anomalies in the world of mixers and strictly only cater to stereo signals on the inputs and aux sends, so you'd need an extra device, a mini line mixer maybe, to sum the aux send signal to mono before it goes into the DM-101. Stereo aux sends are very unusual and a big selling point of the mixer for many people - but unfortunately make life a little difficult in this scenario.
If a synth (line level) is used with a re-amp box like the Walrus Canvas Re-Amp ... I'm pretty sure that would solve the impedance mismatch issue on the input.
As demo'd, you can manage without one, but yeah you could definitely use a reamp box to reduce your signal down to instrument level. Some audio interfaces like the Mbox Studio and Audiofuse Studio even have reamping outputs built into them
Oh no…he starts with Dubtechno. Sold.
haha, had to do it 😎
does it have a metal body? what are the knobs like? plastic?
metal body, brushed aluminum control panel, all metal jacks, screen printed graphics, metal pots with plastic knob covers. Seems real sturdy
@@StoreDJ_online thank you for that info :) I’m doing eBay stuff this weekend and hopefully make enough money to pre-order a Dm-101 :)
Mono input... so sad for all stereo synths and stereo mudulation effects before it. i just can't believe why they make mono input.
Fully stereo analog BBD delays are insanely rare. I think the dynacord srs 56 is one of the only ones and they are impossible to fine and a fortune. You would need twice the amount of BBD chips to make it work, raising costs 2x
519 euro😢
and mono input...
It’s awesome, but it’s $500. That’s the price of three DM-2Ws, or a RE-202 plus a DM-2W, or a used Zen Delay. And all of those are better options for synths. The price just doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t even have double the delay time of a DM-2W. If you have a mixer with two aux sends you can wire up a ping-pong with two DM-2Ws and it’ll actually have a bigger buffer than the DM-101. 😂
all depends on your priorities! If you want the genuine BBD sound and experience, MIDI-sync, presets and new never-before-seen delay modes, then the DM-101 might be worth the premium price tag. If not, then as you've pointed out, there's a huge range of beautiful delays out there 😁
Stereo out, but no option for stereo in. I will never fully understand why so many pedal manufacturers neglect a big portion of their synth playing costumers.
I guess guitar pedals are now synths and groveboxs?
Has this guy never heard of re-amping or DI box in reverse ? Good sounds, but hey, an amateur of an engineer .. . .
I believe that's what he meant when he said "you've gotta do the effects loop thing"
Enlighten us, so a synth into a passive DI's output will pass the proper impedance out of the DI's input into the pedal? Sounds like a great experiment.
It runs at instrument level (-10db). You should be using it with a reamper. That'll take the line level coming out of your board and make it instrument level. Et voila - no distortion.
no one is mentioning it isn’t a dual delay … it has limitation no matter how big corporation throw money at channels to sell it
There was no need in this setup, worked fine without one - only thing it would change is how high the aux send level is. But yeah you could definitely use a reamp box to reduce line level down to instrument level if you wanted that peace of mind. Some audio interfaces like the Mbox Studio and Audiofuse Studio even have reamping outputs built into them
@@StoreDJ_online It actually also changes the impedance. That does matter. The fact that you have distortion is meant to tell you there's something wrong. And not properly unbalancing the signal introduces noise.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm an audio tech - this is what I do for a living. I'm just trying to help.
cheers Patrick, we appreciate that using mismatched impendences isn't technically correct, but we'd never present this as an option if it didnt work. There was no undesirable noise or distortion, and the pedal has plenty of amplitude on the outputs allowing us to mix in the effect without any extra gain required. In retrospect, perhaps we should have taken the opportunity to demonstrate a reamping box or DI solution as well for a more complete rundown on using guitar gear in line-level environments, live and learn!
Strymon Timeline is worth avoiding .I feel ripped off after buying one.The Big Sky is stunning.but time line is very lame.