UK domestic lighting circuits | Loop in at ceiling rose | Loop in at switch
Vložit
- čas přidán 3. 11. 2018
- Lighting circuits can seem confusing to some people, in this video I explain what the loop in at the ceiling rose, loop in at the switch and loop in at the junction box look like. The loop in method is often used when wiring lighting circuits in the UK.
Some other videos that might be of interest are-
How light switches work- • How light switches work
Two way switching- • Two way light switchin...
Three way switching- • Three way light switch...
How to wire a two way light- • How to wire a two way ... - Jak na to + styl
Absolutely brilliant. If you are not lecturing and helping bring along the next generation, you certainly should be. Clear, concise, simply explained and not sleep-inducing. Thanks!
I'm glad you like the video 👍
Thanks for the comment
Because as an FE lecturer he'd be earning 50% or more less than he earns at the minute. Further education in the UK is a shambles - do you think the Conservatives pay money into an education system that only really serves working class kids? Every-time they offer tax cuts in peoples income that money has to come somewhere - FE education is one place that has basically subsidised everyone else's tax cuts.
Thanks Ultimate Handyman - I turned 40 a couple of years ago and as mandated by law I now wear old clothes rather than new clothes and spend a lot of time in my garage. I taught myself Carpentry (via CZcams) and learning my DIY skills - which you have helped out a lot on, but electrics have always mystified me. I extended the light circuit into space above my garage - but I just did it as one circuit (as I didn't understand the switch wires), but I may revisit this after seeing your video.
Thanks for taking the time to do these videos - we see 10 minutes of video - but we understand there the huge amount of effort of planning, editing, compiling these videos that you undertake to help out your grateful audience. These videos really do help a lot of people like me who are just starting out in DIY. I seem to recall your video around removed cross-threaded screws being very helpful. So thank you for everything you do and when you see CZcams are barely paying you anything for your work - there are many thousands of grateful people out there that you've helped.
Thanks, Paul. I'm glad that the videos help ;-)
This video took me weeks to prepare, I hope it helps to explain how a domestic lighting circuit is wired in the UK. Please like, share and comment (if you can).
I hope everyone has a great Sunday 😉
Yes, it's hard to say without seeing it- but that is what most people would do.
Awesome video, much appreciated thank you.
@@farshadashrafe2327 You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
How do I control a second light to the current existing one that is wired to a ceiling rose(junction box). Ceiling rose is now hidden behind osb boarding covering the rafters. Is there a way to use the same switch to control the 2nd light without removing the osb. Thanks
Hi again. Could you "Please" try and answer my question, asked on poblic comments about a week ago. Many Thanks!
Thank you. After hours of trial and error, trying to find the right sequence of wiring, I checked out your video and within minutes had my kithen down lights working properly.
American here, y'all's setup looks so much cleaner and simpler
American electrics is a bloody nightmare
Just about to wire my new summerhouse.
Thanks, Ultimate Handyman, your excellent video has just made my life much easier. Confirmation of what I did know, and, more importantly, 'enlightening' me on wiring switches.
I can breathe more confidently now 😊
This is a great video as the mysteries of the loop can be a pain in the arse this is very well explained and on point :)
Thanks for the comment
What a brilliant video! I know how to do domestic wiring but for anyone who doesn't this is so comprehensive! I can appreciate how much effort has gone into the making of this video 👍🏼
Thanks for the comment 👍🏼
For years I've been taking a pic inside a switch or rose so I know how to re-wire a new switch or rose. Maybe now I'll just be able to apply some knowledge and logic! Great vid
I'm glad the video helps ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Great video 👌 ... always struggled to get my head around how lighting wiring works - makes a lot more sense now!
Thanks for the comment
Really cleared the clouds in my head about all this. What a great video you've made here. Thank you so much!
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
Could not agree more! Best thing on the internet! Thank you good sir!
Fantastic video. What a great production and presentation you gave. I now have a full understanding of what all those wires are and where they go. Thank you so much.
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment
That's a good video. It can be hard to find decent information about lighting circuits and what the cables do. This makes it easy to follow and understand the circuit.
Thanks for the comment
Excellent video, you’re my go to guy fir household electrics, I watched this prior to installing more lights in my garage and under my car port. Thanks.👍
Thanks for the comment 👍
Domestic wiring has always baffled me. This video has helped. May need to watch it a few more times before it sinks in. It's a hell of a lot better than trying to learn it from a book. Well done on another well thought out instructional video
I'm glad the video has helped, Geoff.
Thanks for the comment
Very useful, I may have to watch this several times however! Appreciate the effort you have put into this.
Thanks for the comment
Recently did my Domestic installer course, 18th edition and inspection and testing. Switches are awkward and all different but your detailed well presented video make it simpler to understand and I will revisit this when I need so guidance again.
Great to hear!
Thanks for the comment 👍
That diagram really helps you understand what goes well,great job!
I'm glad the diagrams have helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Thank you! You just made my day, I knew it was a switch fault I had but couldn't quite nail it until the last part of your video. Perfectly explained. Legend 🙏
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
@@ultimatehandyman so now the LED light on the bottom of my bedroom ceiling fan has started to emit a permenant dim glow since I fitted the kitchen down lights!? Do you have a fix?
Well explained. Thanks for putting in the effort to post. Much appreciated.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍🏼
I had that 'aha!' moment in this video when it clicked. Had to pause and stare at the wiring to make sense but it does now! Thanks
Excellent. I have to rewire a ceiling rose with looping tomorrow after messing it up today and blowing the circuit breaker. Really easy to understand. Many thanks.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks a million Handyman. Three days trying to wire up a loft light, then ten mins watching this, bingo, sorted. Thumbs up sir.
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
I cannot thank you enough. Moving out and trying to save money on the make good.
Replacing a rail of spot lamps with the original Thorn tube light. Wasn't like-for-like terminals and I forgot the original set up.
Couldn't have done it without this video and you have an avid follower as we prepare to buy our first home which needs plenty of diy.
Thanks again!
I’m glad you found the video useful
Thanks for the comment 👍
Loved the video U.H. You made it very simple to understand. It's come at a time when coincidently I'm fitting myself a loft light. Keep up the great work :)
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment
Excellent video - really clear explanation and illustration. I appreciate the effort that went into putting it together. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the comment 👍
Another superb tutorial. It was worth the time you spent to make it. Thanks.
I'm glad you found the video useful ;-)
Thanks for the comment
As someone living in the US and very familiar with our wiring it’s interesting to see how it is done and other places. Fantastic video. Thanks.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Best video I found explaining how lighting circuits work.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
I need to fit a light in my loft and I had a rough idea of how to do it but i was confusing myself the more I thought about it. This video has cleared it up enough to give me the confidence to do it.
I'm glad that the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
I finally understand this wiring concept. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment
Wiring is a mystery to me. Even after watching this! 😁 I think I need to watch it a few times. Cheers!
You'll understand it eventually ;-)
Thanks for the comment
I gave up trying to figure it out Long ago. If confused by electricians etc, I put it down to voodoo.
Just the help i needed..Got stuck with an old pull light switch i was replacing in the bathroom.I wanted to replace it with an outside switch and then add multiple downlights.Perfect video for me.Thank you very much.
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thank you! This is a brilliantly presented video which is easy to follow and understand
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
You are a pretty decent leccie, UH, as well as being multi-skilled in lots of other disciplines too. Another great video - thank you.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
A very good thorough and simple explanation. Thank you.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
I always knew that switching is always on the live side but didn't know until your excellent video that there were so many ways to loop in for switching. Having moved into a house with loop connections in an existing big 1970's ceiling fitting via nylon blocks, there was clearly no way that all three blocks would fit in a standard sized rose, so have pulled all cables up into the loft and am attempting the joint box method there. Thanks for such a detailed video.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the comment 👍
Really clearly and concisely explained! Great job!
Thanks for the comment
Best explanation in the internet! I salute you Sir!
Wow, thanks!
You really got me out of a pickle with this great video today. Your videos always go to that extra level of detail!
Awesome! Thank you!
Exceptional video!!!! Wonderfully explained, I wasmt planning on doing anything too extensive, just move the switch, but though I would get some knowledge of the circuit before I do. Glad I stumbled access this video.
Excellent, really clear and really helpful as I wire lights to my shed - thank you great video
Excellent video, explaining the difference between loop at rose or loop at switch. We had an extension built a couple of years ago. the new part is wired loop at switch, the original part is still loop at rose. now I know why there is connectors behind the light switches.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Absolutely fantastic clear and concise video, it has certainly cleared the cobwebs! Easy subscription from me!
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Very comprehensive, excellent video.
Thanks ;-)
After being electrocuted (I never knew about permanent live, I thought having the switch off would be enough) I found your video and I now comfortably understand how the lighting circuit works. This video has been amazing!
Also I now use a voltage detector pen.
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Great video. Covered all possibilities! I'm looking to install a bathroom fan with an isolator switch and the diagrams make sense, easy enough to follow, but I haven't had a chance yet to figure out where to wire it from. Now I'll be able to identify which of the three it is and proceed from there. Very helpful
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Brilliant video. After 5 other videos I finally found a video that answered my questions! Thank you
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Thank You .. Very useful 👌 Your was the only one yet that explained it clearly and easily understood..
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
Extremely informative. Great technical vlog.
Thanks for the comment
Good helpful and educational video by someone who knows what he's doing.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Best explanation on CZcams, thank you 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
It took me quite a while to put this video together, so I'm always happy to hear that it is useful.
Thanks for the comment
That was great, so helpful and easy to follow. I wish I had found your channel sooner. Congratulations on a new subscriber 👍
Thanks for the sub! and the comment
More electrics please. So interesting and useful. Some basic stuff could be used by schools for plugs etc...
I don't do much in the way of electrics at home, as this house is pretty modern, but I'll try to cover more in future.
Thanks for the comment
Thanks so much that was so helpful I really love your video it makes me feel good
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
Hi, Could I ask you how best to extend the wiring from a Ceiling Rose, (serving short flex & single bulb) know behind my new Suspended Ceiling, to make connection for my 2x LED Flat Panels close by.They come with 2x 50V Drivers. 2x wire (brown & blue) one end, & push fit connector to LED at the other. Thanks
Great video, shows you exactly how to wire the lights. Thumbs up :)
Thanks for watching! And for the comment ;-)
Excellently explained thanks for posting. 👍👍👍
Thanks for the comment
Been looking for a video in plain English for a while. Got it now thanks
I'm glad the video helps ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
Great video thanks. The first I have seen that has explained it clearly and easily.
I'm glad the video helped
Thanks for the comment 👍
found this video very informative and thanks a gain for your time and effort and i priciat all your video.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Cheers very informative and useful for up and coming projects
I'm glad the video helped ;-)
Thanks for the comment 👍
I have a loop in at ceiling rose set up in my bathroom with only one light fixture. I want to install multiple (x5) downlights to the bathroom. Can I just connect the wire that will supply the new lights to the current connections of the existing light fixture?
I have two set's of wires coming out of my ceiling going to an existing plastic ceiling rose. Both these wires have Brown, Blue, and Earth, so 6 cables.
I have a new metal light fitting thats a full replacement for the old rose. My new light fitting is pre wired, clearly labelled and only has 3 connection holes - Live, Neural and Earth.
What do i do with 6 cables coming from my ceiling when going into 3??? Do i just twist together brown brown, blue blue and earth earth, then connect to the 3 holes in my new metal light fitting???
Thank you.
Thanks so much for this. 2-way switching still confuses me, I will watch your other video!
Thanks for the comment 👍
Watched a lot of videos that just confused. Yours was superb cheers mate.
Great to hear! 👍
Great job explaining this in detail.
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Simply the best and clear and easy to understand.
Glad you think so!
Next time you're connecting a loop-in in a junction box, try a Hager J501, they're brilliant for this application 👍
Great video though, I'm an electrician but I still can't help but watch your electrical tutorials 😂 Keep up the good work
Thanks Dan ;-)
Thanks for this, made very simple
Thanks for the comment
Nice clear some explanation! Limited the fancy graphics and great use of actual photos
Thanks for the comment 👍
I'm not going to lie, I got 4 minutes in and was totally confused .... 6:30 in and I 100% understand, thank you for a well made video! :)
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Well explained Chez! Thanks!!
You are welcome, John.
Thanks for the comment
This is the best video ever in its category.
Thanks, I appreciate that 👍
I have 2 two core an earth 1 going from consumer unit to ceiling rose the other from ceiling rose to next ceiling rose then 1 switch with 2 cables 1 single and earth and the other 2 core and earth the core connected to pull switch in same room then single core and earth from pull switch to ceiling rose and on other switch the single also goes to ceiling rose so that's 4 cables 2 x two core and earth plus 2 x 1 core and earth the live switch is 1 of the single cores . I would like to get rid of pull cord and have single light switch is this possible any info wud be appreciated thanks
wonderful work there pard.. before i retired i was a mechanical and commercial mechanical and electrical engineer 400v split down to 240 and then on to ring sockets etc. now even with my old qualifications the local council refuse that i can even change a wall socket what is the world coming to part p . all the years of apprenticeship and working around England doent count ... great up load nice one
Thanks for the comment 👍
Very nice, clear explanation. Thank you.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
This is Crystal clear. Bravo 👏 thank you!
Great to hear that 👍
Is there a way so say move the existing ceiling rose if there is no slack, not using the old style jb box. I see you can use wago light connectors but there is only two slots not three to extend the length of the cables
If I lived in the UK I'd stick to plumbing only. I'd get zapped once to many times for want of remembering all those unfamiliar colours. Lol.
Great video demo, thanks!
LOL
Thanks for the comment
Awesome, thanks ever so much for sharing the knowledge! Would I be right in saying that, if want to add a new light into my loft, I would need to split the outgoing cable from an existing light, then wire both new ends into a junction box, as well as one for the new switch and one for the new light fitting?
Basically run a cable to the circuit wire, you can do this at a ceiling rose, or junction box.
Run the cable with the L,N and earth to the switch.
Run another cable to the light from the switch and connect up L,N and earth.
Then at the switch connect the two Neutrals together, then connect the earths to the earth terminal.
Put the two remaining live wires in the L1 terminal and the com terminal
I hope this makes sense?
@@ultimatehandyman This makes perfect sense; again I can't thank you enough for all your help. Looking forward to the next video...
Good timing, about to replace a few lights and it always confuses me when I see more than 3 wires
Thanks for the comment
I blew my upstairs and downstairs light breakers while trying to wire up a downstairs light, I replaced both breakers but only the upstairs lights now work. I can't get the downstairs lights to work swapping the breakers around shows there not faulty, what else can I check to try and restore power.
Another great video, thanks for sharing.
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment 👍
As per. Clear and concise.
You're tip top. !!!
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Very nicely explained :) Good stuff
Thanks for the comment ;-)
Really useful - thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks for the comment
Wow - my foray into the world of electrics (my dad was an electrician and I've always been terrified of touching it). I wonder if you have any thoughts on a switch that didn't turn on ceiling light and so after a lot of time spent trying to solve the issue, we bypassed it with a pull light fitting (fan type) which does work but is not very attractive. I want to put a new light fitting up and get the switch to work. Is it just a case of trial and error or should I replace everything? All other light switches and sockets work in the room and in the house... bizarre!
Superb video. Thanks so much 👍🏼
You are welcome
Thanks for the comment
Very well explained. Thank you.
Brilliant clear video.
If i want to take a permanent live to a wardrobe light how would i wire up
appreciated ! very useful for beginners, keep it up👍
👍
Nice Explanation!
Thanks for the comment
Funny you uploaded this as I fitted a new light switch earlier and managed to give myself a belt due to switching off the wrong mcb doh. Might have been a good idea to explain why upgrading to a cu with rcd protection is very wise. I'm glad I had rcd protection today ;).
I'll cover CU's soon ;-)
Thanks for the comment
@@ultimatehandyman Might be easier to cover the proper safe isolation procedure ;)
Great video. If you don't mind explaining. I'm trying to add an additional out door light (never one installed in property). Could you briefly explain how I would go about this. Do I add a junction box outside and daisy chain the light fitting from the closest inside ceiling rose? But then do I just add a separate switch or will my existing 3 switch in side activate it automatically when I turn on bottom light switch?
I'm afraid it is not a simple answer. Your best bet would be to ask here, it's free to join-
www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/viewforum.php?f=33
Thanks for another great video. Is there a website or app where you can draw and test simple circuits? I'd like to slowly practice what you've just showed us.
Also any tips or videos on using multimeter to diagnose a non working outside light fitting? It seems to be on its own circuit with a switch.
I don't know about any sites for drawing circuits, or Apps- sorry!
I've done a couple of videos on multi-meters-
Continuity test- czcams.com/video/k6SqGcXYmLw/video.html
Measuring voltage- czcams.com/video/QceiqobvQLc/video.html
Measuring amps- czcams.com/video/9Zt3P9bvn8M/video.html
You have to be careful with outside lights as some people wire them to the lighting circuit, or the socket circuit.
You might be better off using a non contact voltage tester to ensure the light is getting power, if it is you might be better off isolating the light and replacing it with a new one (assuming you have already checked the lamp)
Great video mate very well explained!
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the comment 👍
Hi great vid chez.wanted to know how would you wire a outside pir floodlght? would it be better to wire in to a light switch? many thanks
Thanks, normally the easiest way is to use a flex cable, through the wall, then wire a plug to the end of it and plug it into a nearby socket.
Thanks for the comment
When wiring a LED batten lighting a garage that is on the main lighting ring would I have to use a junction box to connect to the switch, as I cannot understand how you could bring the feed in one end and the switch line out the other whilst keeping the continuity of the ring. Have a good xmas
No, you don't need a ring circuit for lights, they are a radial circuit.
You don't need a junction box, at the light fitting you have the live cable with the L,N,E wires.
Neutral and earth go into their respective terminals. The live goes into a terminal connector (not connected to the light terminal). Then a cable is run to the switch, earth is connected to the earth terminal. The live is connected to the other live in the terminal block. Then the neutral wire is sheathed with Brown sleeving and placed into the L terminal on the fitting. Obviously the switch is installed at the other end of the switch cable.
Thanks for the comment 👍
Good video. Can I ask you a question. In my new flat I have a couple of double dimmer switches both with two wires going into. In each room I have a number of spot lights and one of the dimmers on each switch turns all the lights on at one. The other dimmer switch does not do anything. When looking at the back the switch live cable from each goes into the com port. The live cable go into each L1 position. Plus there is a loop cable going from one L1 port into the other L1 port. Please can you advise the purpose if possible of the other dimmer switch. Many thanks
Are the two dimmers on the same circuit?
You can only use one dimmer per light circuit, if I remember rightly.