What's My Line? - Fernando Lamas (Oct 10, 1954)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Fernando Lamas
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Fred Allen, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
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Fernando looks MARVELOUS!
Absolutely MARVELOUS!
😄
Dorothy to John: 'Are you trying to imply a certain incongruity?' Can you imagine such dialogue in today's game shows?
Now they’d scream ‘you’re against feminism’.
@@lllowkee6533 this is a desperate attempt at shoehorning politics. Lucy addressed feminism aka equal rights in the 50s
My mother used to tell me how handsome Fernando Lamas was. She definitely wasn't lying!
Fernando Lamas looks marvelous!
You look marvelous Fernando!
He looks MARVELOUS. :-)
Amazing how good men look without botox or cosmetic work
In 1954 there were three jet bombers that Mr. Tibbs and his employer Martin Aircraft were either testing or building. They are the USAF B-57 Canberra (a license built British twin jet bomber), the tri-jet XB-51 and the U.S. Navy P6M Seamaster (a large jet powered flying boat).
Wonderful information. Thank you.
According to the 1940 census, there was an Eileen Donellan who lived in Brooklyn and was 4 years old on April 1, 1940. She had two older brothers at the time. So she would be about 18 or 19 years old when this aired. She may also be the same person (middle initial "F") who was wed in CT and was married from 1959 to 2012. Her married name may be Kelly and according to the White Pages she may still be living and has returned to NYC. The name and the dates all line up, anyway.
At this time in her life, she was exquisitely beautiful and even wearing a very lovely and sophisticated outfit, still had an air of both innocence and self-assurance. She was aware of her beauty but not vain about it.
Anyway, that's my impression on seeing someone in a tiny 3 minute segment of their life, albeit one that put her in the unusual and for many scary prospect of being on television (most likely for the first time).
Thank you. I get very curious about these contestants, their backgrounds and what happened to them in life.
Lois Simmons c I’ll
I love these follow-ups. Thanks.
Lamas has what you would call Real Star Quality. He looks terrific, he is very charismatic, his accent was sexy, he had it all... No man in Movies today can compare.
Indeed, my friend. . .He looked mahvelous!
His son, Lorenzo, resembles him a great deal.
Excellent show !
Fernando Llamas didn't disguise his voice to me. I recognized his distinctive voice.
Lamas 's wife at this point Arlene Dahl, was an actress who appeared a few times as a mystery guest. It's a great moment when she comes out. Lucky too. Note 21:30 at the way both Dorothy and Arlene gaze at him as they want to take him out for drinks after the broadcast. For a start. Later Lamas married one of the greatest actress WML mystery guests ever -- Esther Williams.
Arlene Dahl was the mystery guest for the first time a little less than 6 months prior to this episode (4/25/54).
I didn't recognise Ms. Dahl.
Lorenzo once said that Esther was more of a mother to him than Arlene was.
He was later married to Esther Williams
"The most interesting man in the world" father of my teenage crush...Lorenzo Lamas.
tinwoods Oh wow. That’s amazing. 😃
@@tisha812: Jonathan Goldsmith was "the most interesting man in the world."
@@accomplice55 Jonathan Goldsmith was friends with Fernando Lamas and he used Lamas as the inspiration for "the most interesting man in the world" character for those ads
It's amazing how often the panel, in many cases Bennett Cerf, makes the leap from "ever touches the body" to "is clothing". Just about every thing that people make is touched by someone.
First game. Apparently Pat Tibbs was a major figure in the history of test piloting military planes. Up he went into the wild blue yonder.
wrote the manual for the Martin B-26 Marauder www.b26.com/page/production.flight.test.procedure.martin.b26.marauder.htm
@@ardeladimwit COOL!!! In 2022.
😮wow jaw dropping gorgeous looking!
"It is better to look good than to feel good".
It doesn't matter how you feel, it matters how you rook, and you darlink, you rook marvelous! (Fernando as portrayed by Billy Crystal).
Lamas said that when he was dying of cancer, he was told he looked good. It was a form of bravery. Billy Crystal used it in a cruel way, to make fun of Lamas, as though he was a vain shallow person. Esther Williams, Lama's wife at the time, begged him to stop and he ignored her pleas. I do not like Crystal because of this. He would not be half as brave as Lamas was.
@@saran3214 Come on, Lorenzo says his dad loved that character
@@Peter1999Videos Did Fernando say he loved it? No. Lorenzo may have but not his dad. And again, Fernando was dying, Billy Crystal kicked him while he was down.
@@saran3214 There is a video here in youtube, about that, im not liying, he was cool with
"Fernando"
A time when people said what they thought. Much more of a honest time. Also very civil.
Yes an not afraid of words, a george carlin time, think now FAT is not so in use.
Oh, boy, is that nonsense. The 50s were about keeping up appearances, about manners, and euphemisms. George Carlin would laugh his ass off at the very idea. The 50s were everything he rebelled against.
I thought it interesting that John only asked the first contestant, O.E. Tibbs, what his middle initial stood for and not the first. Then I read a story about Mr. Tibbs and found out he was named for Orville Wright so I'm just guessing he didn't ask his first name thinking it might set the panel towards the flight industry. It's a stretch, but it's the only reason I can think of as to why he didn't as what his fist initial stood for. Interestingly enough the second contest also just signed in with initials and John only asked what their first initial stood for and her middle initial stood for "Klein" which was the name of her Men's store in Manhattan so it's possible he also left out that question in case it might strike a chord with the panel.
"They call me Mr. Tibbs!"
Jeff Vaughn - I am certain you are correct on both counts. I was flabbergasted the time they had the creator/owner of Murphy Beds on and they did not in any way disguise his name. Klein's was a well-known store and one would not want to mentally get Bennett off onto Orville and those possibilities because he often asked an obvious name connection question first. I must say that Eva Greenberger is in some ways the most singularly well-dressed person I ever saw on this show. She was wearing a well-designed and fitted suit in a gorgeous fabric with perfect accompaniments in blouse and jewelry that might have, in itself, sent them off into the realms of a garment purveyor in some form or other.
I remember the Klein ads on television😊
Dorothy was a WML savant.
Arlene Dahl (mother of Lorenzo Lamas) is still active at 95 (as of late 2020).
Good God almighty
She just recently passed.
Interesting. I looked up Mr Tibbs, wonderful career. Also Mrs. Eva Klein Greenberger-that’s exactly what her family’s shop was called, started by her father, carrying sizes 40 to 70 and beyond by special services. Her husband was a dentist who helped in the store when they got busy seasonally.
So interesting.
Dorothy and Arlene squealed like two bobbyosoxers over Fernando Lamas, it was very cute.
20:18 was great. like schoolgirls they were.....
Agreed.
When Arlene Francis first realized who it was (when it wasn't her turn), I thought that maybe she had just interviewed him for one of her programs or had just seen him in person (maybe she and Martin Gabel recently had dinner with Fernando and Arlene Dahl). But when her delight was picked up by Dorothy and almost like ESP she knew who it was as well, it was clear that there was some serious schoolgirl crushes going on. Women do compare notes on who they find attractive (don't let any of us tell you otherwise), and having been on WML together for so long, they would have plenty of time to compare notes.
In the last two segments of this episode, we have an interesting contrast here between the women's reaction to an extremely handsome man and the men's reaction to a very attractive woman. Maybe I am showing favoritism to my gender, but I find the women's reaction cute and the men's reaction crude (even as refined and sophisticated as they are supposed to be).
Well, Lois, I find your last paragraph more than a little sexist. Downright rude, in fact.
Highlight of the episode! :)
There is still a gas station at the corner of Hillside and Metropolitan Avenues in the Kew Gardens section of Queens. But it is no longer known as Gasoline Alley (also the name of a popular comic strip in the most widely read newspaper of the day, the New York Daily News) and it is no longer a Shell gas station. It is known as JMD Service Station and it is a Citgo station. (There are some other properties that might have been the site of a gas station, but this is the only gas station currently at that intersection.)
Both avenues are major thoroughfares in Queens (both have four lanes). and close to the southern section of the Van Wyck Expressway that opened four years earlier almost to the day (10/14/50).
That site happens to be within walking distance of the hospital where I was born and about a mile (as the crow flies) from where I lived for the first 8 years of my life.
I can only wonder how much business increased for that gas station after Miss Donnellan's appearance on WML.
I know exactly where that is! Haha crazy
As always,I appreciate all the factual information you gave, fascinating 😊
Fernando lama was hottt 🥵
So are you 😉
He was charming and handsome throughout his entire life. In the 70's and 80's he was a frequent tonight show guest and that's when he also used the phrase ,"You look marvelous ". That's a part of what makes him memorable today, years after he's passed.
Fernando's wife likely tagged along to protect her investment! The way Dorothy and Arlene squealed with delight at the revelation, one could easily imagine women across the continent might have been all too willing to shed their personal inhibitions for a chance at sampling The Lamas!
I have not idea of the attraction, find him average, there was way better.
‘Runs fat men’s clothing shop’!! I nearly choked 😂😂😂
Stuff was what it was, back then...
OMG was he TOTALLY GORGEOUS or WHAT?????????????????
Argentino
You look marvelous!
I love how Cerf frowns whenever he feels Daily has somehow misled him. Otherwise he grins effusively when the correct answer is revealed. In later episodes he’ll even quarrel with daily a bit as he challenges is fairness.
I think they were very close.
I liked how John Daly conversed with the guest over the issue of females using bombers. I recall during WWII that women flew/delivered bombers from the factories to air fields; from there, it was men only into combat. Different today of course.
Teankun And that is a recent change - 1990s or so.
There was actually a woman pilot who was a daredevil pilot and she actually trained with the early astronauts because they wanted to see the effect of such training on the female body. She was actually quite capable of joining the astronaut program but due to the sexism of the time they would not allow her in the program.
The first female pilots allowed to pilot in the navy and land on carriers flew in the early 1980's.
@@latsnojokelee6434 I believe you are speaking of Betty Skelton. She would be on the show a few weeks later, though her piloting was never mentioned.
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Johan Bengtsson 10 months ago
Did they actually say "Fat Men's Clothing Shop" in 1954?
What's My Line? 10 months ago
+Johan Bengtsson It's not so surprising for 1954. Certainly, that's terminology that would not be considered remotely acceptable today!
MattTheSaiyan 4 months ago
Fred Allen is starting to grow on me.
MadelineTopper 1 year ago
13:13 A sign of the times right there. That would just be a drop in the bucket compared to today's deficit.
Johan Bengtsson 10 months ago
When Fernando Lamas said hello to the panel he brought out his wife Arlene Dahl from the back to do the same. That was not so often seen on the show. I recall Fred MacMurray doing something similar.
Bambi Harris 1 year ago
Haha, John seemed so tickled at Bennetts introduction, love the rapport on this show
joed596 8 months ago
thanks very much :-)
SuperWinterborn 1 year ago
D. Kilgallen and A. Francis' intuition is remarkable... Thank you very much for posting these videos! Old-fashioned or not; It's a pleasure to watch/listen to a TV-program held in a decent form, in any meaning of the word decent. I think I'm also one of those who have become addicted to this show. Thanks again!
BlueShoeLover 1 year ago
They seem to have done away with the 'meet the panel' awkward walk - and thank goodness!
Jeff Vaughn 1 year ago
They discontinued it the week prior to this one.
poetcomic1 1 year ago
Dorothy was giggling like a girl when she figured out who it was. Obviously had a crush on Fernando the Bull.
wiguy3 10 months ago
Who didn't back then? He was a hunk.
Todd Brandt 9 months ago
+wiguy3 Fernando and Arlene Dahl made a stunningly handsome couple.
Dixie Alexander 1 year ago
Gas Station Attendant! Those were the days. But you still needed to remember what side of the car the gas tank door was on :)
+Dixie Alexander
We still have gas station attendants just across the border from me in NJ. Self-service is illegal in the "Garden State". It's still that way in most of Oregon as well, although they recently passed a law that for certain rural counties in Oregon, if there is no retail store connected to the gas station or if said retail store is closed, that people can pump there own gas. The measure was to prevent someone in a remote area from being stranded, but the bill's sponsor noted that it would only affect 5% of the state's population, and even then not at all hours.
The nice thing about living so close to NJ is not only do I get waited on (and even sometimes get my windows cleaned), but I also pay less in NJ than in NY, even after the recent increase in NJ gasoline tax.
There is not much distance between Bennett’s first guess of department store executive and owning a clothing shop.
Poles apart
Took off the blindfolds and said “You look mah-velous!!!”
YAH they stopped that walk on this one.
John Daly indicates at the end of the second segment that he was a customer of Ms. Greenberger. Other than a middle-aged paunch perhaps, I would not take John as someone who would qualify as a purchaser of clothing in that size, certainly not based on his face or even his appearance when he stands next to the challengers after they sign in. This may be an indication that she did her job very well. It also may mean that John was more familiar with men's corsets than we previously knew.
Lois Simmons It sounds like she says "You wouldn't fit in."
According to musicals.com, shortly after this appearance, Lamas acted very unprofessionally toward his costar Ethel Merman: "Merman's relationship with co-star Fernando Lamas turned so acrimonious that he tried to embarrass her during performances, upstaging her (ie - standing upstage, forcing Merman to turn her back on the audience) and wiping his mouth after their on-stage kisses -- while still in full view of the audience. Merman and the producers were appalled, and gossip columns fed the scandal. In a rare move, Actor's Equity (the stage actor's union) sanctioned Lamas and his behavior improved. Happy Hunting ran on, and the two stars countered their onstage romance with unconcealed offstage hostility."
Lamas was a macho gaucho and a firm believer in the sexual double standard, as he showed during his fraught, albeit enduring, marriage to WML's best ever mystery guest, Esther Williams. But I bet some onlookers weren't too sorry for Ethel Merman, a prima donna who was far from Broadway's most loved star.
Don't forget the obnoxious stage star in "Valley Of The Dolls, "1967, was based on the "Merm." At the time of this 1954 WML Jackie Susann was very much a part of Broadway society, and knew Ethel VERY well. The Merman character was originally cast with Judy Garland, who was eventually replaced with the glam Susan Hayward. Judy, who was being roman-a-clefed by Patty Duke in the same film, kept her pricy wardrobe, including a famous bejeweled pant suit Fox publicists claimed cost $10,000!
Must be my cellphone: Arlene's hair is even lighter and Bennett's hair is darker. Hmm. Wonder how that happened? 😉
Hair dye had been invented already by then.
OTRO ACTOR ARGENTINO QUE TRIUNFO EN ESTADOS UNIDOS Y EL MUNDO .
Otro... ¿ Cuántos eran ?.
@@rinohorizonteJulio inglases😊
@@robertjean5782 Muchas gracias. Lástima que lo conocés vos y la madre solamente.
Second game. I wonder when our large male friends started insisting on the euphemism "big and tall."
Around the same time the word "fat" became an insult.
soulierinvestments - Rather rude, even then. It was yet the postwar period, with not so many who were morbidly obese in the general population. But to comment so specifically on someone else's body parts or condition was not polite and possibly so often tolerated on this program because it was awash in show biz folk who partially earn their living off of perfect teeth, proper weight for cameras, youthfulness, willingness to change hair for roles, etc. So, it was more common to them to speak of getting a Friar Tuck type from Central Casting. The producers should have had them say large men and not defined whether vertically gifted or horizontally challenged. Rag trade types tended to dress women of some heft in wild, large Hawaiian print type things long ago, so one hopes the suits and such she sold men of girth were more appropriate to business, social affairs, etc.
Most likely someone opened a "big and tall" shop and the larger men started going there because it sounded better than "fat". When the "fat" shop started losing the business, they changed. This was decades before the pc era.
He and Arlene sure had a handsome son, Lorenzo Lamas!!
The only one that *I* thought was "jaw-droopingly gorgeous" in this episode was that gas station attendant. *Wowza!*
The gas station attendant was the only gorgeous contestant; panelist Arlene was gorgeous weekly.
Interesting how she thought nothing of giving the location where she worked. Nobody considered in those days that some pervert could show up to harass her.
Fun episode.
Fernando Lamas was a HOT cutie!!!
The 9th _interesting answer that’s not absolutely correct_ occurred when Bennett free guessed Mrs. Greenberger to be a department store executive.
“Agreeable territory.” What a refreshing way of referring to a woman as “hot.’
These days, Bennett would no longer have a 50/50 chance to guess whether something was used by one sex or the other. :(
Something about fred allen just grinds my nerves
21:55 WOW Beautiful woman in a beautiful dress!
Wow, My s. Greenberger runs a Fat Men's Store, never heard that before.
Big and tall
@@hopelewis5650 Oh, okay, we had one called Big and Tall Men's store. I have three cousins all over 6 1/2 feet tall who get their clothes from there. On plays basketball. Thanks for the clarification. They don't call it that anymore.
"MAAAMBO?" (Fred Allen)
Second pilot in very few episodes...
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last game -- WML always had an affinity for pretty women at gas stations. In the syndicated program, they found one who did her filling station job dressed in a bikini.
Mrs. Greenberger seems to have taken over her dad's shop, Klein's (or rather, Sig Klein's Fat Men's Shop.) Apparently closed in the 70s. She apparently died in 1975. I don't have specific proof of this other than a) her death record, and b) this blog post (which doesn't source its assertion), but it does make sense of her name (E. K. Greenberger), and the clothing store, too.
gvshp.org/blog/2011/09/20/then-now-3rd-avenue-east-10th-street-part-3/
Dorothy and Arlene's reactions when they figure out it's Mr. Lamas are The Best.
(Also: Fred is no Steve, but he's better than Mr. Lewis by a long shot, for me. But as the old saying goes, 'It's all a matter of taste, said the old lady as she kissed the cow.')
I came to watch WML in the first place because of being such a huge fan of Fred Allen, but I don't think this was the right show for him. I'm glad we have all this footage, and Fred certainly does have his great moments here and there, but he would have been much better served with a talk show format akin to the Tonight Show, rather than the overstuffed variety shows and game shows he was given to host.
+What's My Line? I came to very much appreciate some of Fred's slipped-in, under the radar comments (as well as the 'can I ask you something, John?' more prepared bits). Which makes me think talk show/Tonight Show might well work, yes.
(Certainly, Judge For Yourself does not sound suited to his talents. Yikes.)
Agreed. For some reason I find Robert Q. Extra annoying, grating, even.
@@jmoss491 He was Oscar Wilde compared with Hal Block.
300 billion deficit? That's like 3.5 trillion in today's money.
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Fred Allen is killing me this episode.With his deadpan “She’s living off the fat of the land” retort to Daly’s you didn’t win much comment; as well as his “we took the words out of each other’s mouth.”(Pause) “Not very sanitary.”
I can’t even with him.
And his finally his “Silent star I guess”
The government has a deficient?
Bennet sure acted like a pervert sometimes. He asked the last girl if her good looks had anything to do with her job but then later he asks if her work clothes cover more than her "agreeable" form, lol. John was a hornball but at least he was smooth about it, like a smitten school boy.
John Daly was always respectful, he was never creepy towards attractive female contestants like Hal Block or Bennet were, neither did he ever make snide remarks about overweight contestants like Fred Allen often did.
Do you also condemn Dorothy when she comments on a male contestant's physique as a reference when asking if he deals with sports or otherwise his job requires a physical endeavor?
Did this happen in America, Rest of the World - the word Fat was to be banned in children's books? Or was it just in the UK? But the word Fat appears on Food products. We live in a very silly age, back then a shop was happy to call itself Fat Man. Remember when you were not allowed to say someone had Died but that they were Terminally Inconvenienced!
Fred Allen " $ 300 Million $$ Deficit"
Mr. Tibbs drinks Mr. Pibb
A joke courtesy of my nephew- even though Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper taste similar, Dr. Pepper is better because he stayed in school and got his degree.
.. a place that we like to refer as South America ??? what was Dorothy trying to say?
She was asking him where he was from (or raised). South America is a continent just south of North America.
For once, Bennett's intro of Daly weren't cringe-worthy
Lamas looks just like George michael
Gotta say, when Dorothy was good, she was very good i.e. fat men's shop.
Dorothy was a investigative reporter for years 😊
Eileen Domellan: lost to history...cannot even google her name as she spells it. Still, a young woman striking out on her own against the expectations of the societal norms of the day.
Probably got married.....
I think it was Donnellan.
I could pack a small wardrobe in Fred Allen's eye bags.
Fernando is a pre-modern day Schwarzenegger.
Not quite...
No comparison whatsoever. That is a hurtful insult to Mr. Fernando Llamas!
Wow; today you wouldn’t be able to refer to a store as a fat man’s store. Not nice what Arlene said about needing a great deal of tape measure.
The only major flaws of this program were when they would rush final contestants and in the early days, would have them exit behind John Charles Daly instead of shaking the panelists’ hands like the celebrities did.
Her husband Martin Gabel wasn't exactly on the thin side.
70 years ago it wasn't considered insulting 😊
Fred Allen was a stinky rat during the Mystery Challenger portion.
I think it's interesting to note that the man who spoke first seem so threatened by the Applause in the welcome that llamas got. He seem to want to consistently overly demean and the ride llamas without even knowing what he looked like just on the basis of his welcome. If I would have pulled it apart I wonder how much of that is jealousy but more so that in the fifties was how cookie-cutter life was back then the kind of highest value that Society had was sameness I mean anybody that was remotely different was kind of viewed differently cautiously in how much of that is this man thinking that any man who gets in a place like that must be different and less threatening because Normal men aren't swooned at by women so fanatically. It really is quite perturbing to see this and almost mildly frustrating and aggravating because I feel like recently in America we are definitely heading back towards a time like this where even subtle differences are unwelcome.