What if the Whites won the Russian Revolution?
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- The year is 1917, in the middle of the first world war, a great nation faces an untimely revolution.The war was primarily fought by the Reds against the Whites. As we know, the Reds won and created the Soviet Union but what if something different happened?
What if the whites won the Russian revolution?
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Pretty decent video, but I just wanted to mention a handful of flaws (mostly based around common misinformation surrounding the Russian Revolution, of which there was obviously a lot- fog of war also applies to things like this).
Firstly, although not universally so, the majority of the top leaders of the White Army were Pro-February Revolution, but not Pro-Kerensky, as you may have known. This is to say, the White Army favored war with Germany (like Kerensky did), but were opposed to his socialist tendencies. The February Revolution was launched as a pro-war one, with the mob going against the German Tsarina (who was accused of sympathies for her homeland), which was quickly turned into anger against the Monarchy as an excuse for Kerensky and his allies to take power.
This is to say, the whites didn’t want peace, were very slavic nationalist, but they weren’t… uh, for lack of a better term, Juntaist. Kolchak himself didn’t even want to rule Russia, he was forced into the role by those who supported him, and I doubt that he was unwilling to lead Russia in, what he likely viewed its most desperate hour, it’s highly improbable he’d continue to do so. Denikin, Wrangel, and other such leaders mostly favored the restoration of a Semi-Constitutional Monarchy, just one with less liberal influences and the military having more strength than the parliament.
The Romanovs had significant support amongst the whites’ top generalship, with the majority of them being Monarchists as mentioned (although far more nationalistic than the old tsarist aristocracy, see, for example, Kornilov: Who was a nationalist first, but a tsarist second).
I’d say it’s likely that, assuming Nicolas II and his family are still shot (likely, given the Bolsheviks would have all the reasons to do so). Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (“Big Nick”), or as he’d probably be coined, Nicolas III, would be restored as a commitment to restoring the “pre-war paradigm” that would be favored by the public. Many of them would just want an end to the stability that started with the February Revolution, after all.
Immediately upon the whites entering Petrograd, it’s more likely they’d re-declare war on Germany as the war closed, than move towards development- remember, pro-war above all else. Fortunately for them, the Entente was already closing in on the Germans, so this just gives them an excuse to retake their old lands, of which you forget to mention that the Baltics would be retaken.
OTL, the Baltics only maintained independence due to both Polish and Entente support. Even Estonia, which was far more independent in its own campaign than, say, Lithuania or Latvia, couldn’t have possibly expelled Russian forces for good without the Polish counterattack after Warsaw. Although I can see the Anglo-French Entente demanding Russia stop at Congress Poland, I can’t see them having substantial care for Lithuania. You mention the Poles don’t control Western Belarus and Lvov, so that means they wouldn’t even have enough of a border to launch an effective attack into the Baltics, even assuming they had the capability to do so.
Although it is true Pilsudski favored military expansion for Poland’s benefit, I can’t see the Entente backing the Poles here, especially since the White Army would likely see Entente favor, vs. the Entente’s vehement Anti-Sovietism.
You also forget about Turkey. In our own timeline, the Soviets didn’t attack the Turks and instead partitioned Armenia with them, since they saw the Kemalists as a “fellow revolutionary government.” However, the Russian Empire saw the Armenians as their Orthodox Brethren, and would no doubt join the Turkish War of Independence on the Entente side. Given how far Yudenich got in our timeline, I can honestly see the Turks losing and being cut down to their tiny state in Anatolia, with Sevres implemented as first aimed, giving Russia control of Greater Armenia and Constantinople. Also leading, sadly enough, to the mass-deportation of Turks and Kurds from the region, and probably reprisal killings by local Armenian militants as a response to both the Hamidian Massacres and Armenian Genocide.
Speaking of, secondly. The Bolsheviks wouldn’t just “capitulate” when Moscow fell- they knew that if the whites won, they’d have Lenin’s head, no question about it. It’s likely that Lenin would keep the fight going from Leningrad/Petrograd/St.Petersburg until it was besieged, from there he’d probably try to flee to Sweden, where several Soviet sympathizers held power and/or local influence. Whether this succeeds or not is really irrelevant, to be honest, although given the British blockade on the Baltic Sea against the RSFSR, I can see them catching Lenin and deporting him back to Russia for “trial” (see, show trial and execution).
Now, this rolls back to government. Again, Kolchak didn’t want to rule, but the whites just giving up power to Nikolai is unlikely. We’d likely see a weird blend of Kemalist Turkey and Pre-Revolution Russia, with the Tsar, Army, and Parliament all vying for power- kind of like Thailand, I guess. This likely means a maintenance of the old Tsarist State Capitalist programs initiated under Stolypin and Witte, along with the maintenance of the Stolypin Reform, making Russia, holding up a mirror to our own timeline, the breadbasket of Europe.
I don’t agree that Russia would industrialize faster than in our timeline, Russian industrialization, although catastrophic on the humanitarian scale, certainly was blazing fast. Although it’s often given too much credit by Soviet sympathizers, since a lot of it was just a more command-based variation of pre-revolution tsarist economics. We’d likely see a slower, but far more stable version of that in this timeline.
As for how the Great Depression would impact Russia, I’d say it would be damaged, but probably not as much as the West, which favored Laissez-Faire economics and was strongly antagonistic to diverting course when they realized they were on a sinking ship. The Russian Tsardom, especially in its later years, had no issue with State Capitalism, and thus I can likely see Russia recovering within a few years or so, in a fashion somewhat similar to (although obviously not identical to) the Nazis.
So that is to say, by the potential German invasion (which I agree would happen, the idea of lebensraum was not purely based off communism, and after the Chaos of the November Revolution, there still would be avid fear of Communism within Germany, enough for Hitler to fabricate something and bring the NSDAP to power), Russia would be less… but also more prepared.
See, you forget something extremely crucial: The invasion of Poland. There’s no way that a restored Russian Empire would agree to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Not only did they have less designs (only having lost Poland, Besserabia, and Finland), but also they affiliated far more with the West, even if embittered by them, and given German mobilization, and likely no military purge, Russia would be far more prepared, even if slightly less industrialized in this timeline.
This likely means WWII would mirror WWI far more, that being Germany, Italy, and Hungary probably immediately spark a war with the Triple Entente come the invasion of Poland. Even if Russia wouldn’t like Poland much, they’d see the Germans as a far larger threat, and given their Slavic Nationalist leadership, they would see the threat of a “Second Hun Invasion” as quite worrying.
Although, as critical and essayist as I have been, I have to say, for a person with only 49 subscribers, this video was edited quite well and had pretty great sound quality. Most of the errors you missed were something that many people would overlook, and you did at least have a pretty decent idea on the Russian Civil War, other than it just being “the anti-communists vs. communists, i guess.”
So, uh, overall, nice job, just missed some stuff.
Wow you make some great points! I didn't even think about the Ottoman Empire or the relationship between Russia!
I agree I didn't research that much on the Baltics, when I made this video I mainly thought "Well if the Soviets didn't invade the Baltics(interwar period I mean) then I guess the Whites wouldn't either".
I appreciate the work you put into making this comment and I'll certainly be more careful when making other videos! :)
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This is a great comment, and shows you know a great deal about Russian history. However your point about laissez-faire economics and the great depression was completely false. Laissez-faire capitalism was out of favor in the West by this point, and had nothing to do with the Great Depression.
The Great Depression was the culmination of multiple economic factors beginning in the USA. It started with the roaring twenties, which was in part the result of artificially high credit expansion by the newly-established Federal Reserve. It should also be noted here, that the Federal reserve was a state capitalist institution, and not one which emerged from a laissez-faire economy.
However, because of high consumer confidence and ever increasing demand, the increased supply of credit did not lead to inflation. On top of that, the country still operated under the gold standard, which helped keep inflation down. This was only good in the short-term because the increased amount of credit meant that businesses that normally wouldn't have gotten credit due to their poorer quality of services or products suddenly did. In other words, more credit meant more investment, but also more investment in bad firms.
On top of that, the agricultural situation in the United States was dire because of the said lack of inflation. Farmers were making very little money for decades now and did not have the same level of access to credit as people in urban environments. This meant that they were especially vulnerable if an economic recession or depression were to happen.
The USA at the time was also led by Republicans, both during and briefly after the roaring 20s. The Republican party at the time supported protectionist trade policies, which were clearly not laissez-faire by the way. This helped create a very insular economy that while reliant on foreign trade, did help prop up domestic businesses that would have otherwise failed if they encountered foreign competition. In other words, not only did artificially high credit contribute to the poor quality businesses getting money, but so did tariffs, which artificially limited the amount of businesses available to be invested in.
Eventually, as we all know, the roaring twenties would come to an end as the credit bubble burst. And the nation would go from an economic boom right down into an economic bust. The stock market crash of 1929 would send ripples through the economy, and all the previous factors mentioned all come around to rear their ugly face. Farmers were hit hard and many farms failed, leading to many bankruptcies. Unable to keep up with the sudden surge in bankruptcies and failed investments, many banks would also fail, and even more people would go bankrupt.
The Republicans, under Herbert Hoover, would sign one of the worst acts in American history, the smoot-hawley tariff act, which would increase tariffs the highest they have ever been in American history. This completely crippled trade in America and would cause sudden economic downturns all across the world. Countries with that install reciprocal tariffs which would only increase the amount of economic downturns across the world.
In desperation and a desire to maintain a balanced budget, Herbert Hoover would demand that the Entente countries of France and the United Kingdom pay back their massive war time debts. They of course would say no and this would only worsen trade relations. Nancy's America was the economic powerhouse of the world at the time, but without trade partners, it had lost a huge portion of its economy.
All this is to say that laissez-faire economics did not cause the Great Depression. This isn't even to mention the fact that the rest of the West also did not operate under laissez-faire economics. France, the United Kingdom, and the UK's various dominions all operates under mixed market economies, Italy had a heavily statist and socialistic one, Nazi Germany operated under a State corporatist economy, much of Eastern Europe operated under similar state capitalist systems, and the rest of Europe either had just as statist or mixed market economies.
America, following the stock market crash of 1929 and the election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1932, would take over a decade to recover fully from the Great depression. This is in part not surprising, because the majority of the economic damage done by the Great Depression was towards the United States after all. What is surprising, is the fact that this recovery period was prolonged by Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, which did little to help alleviate the economic distress. Many economists and historians agree that while it did help America recover in many ways, the New Deal did not truly end the Great Depression. Practically all economists would agree that it was only in the aftermath of world war 2 that the US economy would actually recover. This is proven by observing GDP growth, spending, and inflation, as well as many other economic metrics.
While there's still some debate about how much the New Deal played in this, most economists either agree that full recovery from the Great depression was experiences following world war II. And the debate is over whether this was because of the exceptionally high government spending during world war II (the interventionist or kenysian view) or the culmination of a slow recovery and the reopening of world trade and lowering of taxes and spending following world war II (the free market or Chicago school/Austrian/neoliberal view) that ended the Great Depression.
Truth be told, I agree with the latter option because the high government spending during world war was not at all sustainable. After all, how could the deaths of half-a-million working age young men combined with the destruction of millions upon millions of dollars of equipment and resources in war ever help an economy? The massive spending would basically only help the economy in the short-term, and could not last forever, as the amount of destruction done to the labor pool and resources never added anything to the economy in the first place, and could only take away from it. What did ensure a long-term recovery from the Great Depression however, was the fact that the United States of America was now a quarter of the world economy because it was not left in ruins like the rest of the world and was now fully committed to fee trade. This meant that every other country in the world essentially relied on the United States if they wanted a quick recovery.
In conclusion, laissez-faire capitalism had absolutely nothing to do with the Great Depression and state capitalism and statist economic policy was already very popular and dominant in the West. On top of that, state capitalists and statist economics do not necessarily help an economy recover, and were not the reason the United States recovered from the Great Depression.
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Gave me goosebumps, hits hard. Want part 2 so bad
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Reds would never capitulate. They would just go underground and launch a long guerilla style campaign, but never capitulate, because they know , what would happen to them.
If the reds can purge the whites then the whites can purge the reds.
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Sounds like a job for some German war veterans now out of a job but still looking to get paid.
@@greece_stronk523He is just realistic, but i wish The Whites won then Ukraine and Chechnya would have not happened.
In this timeline, there’s an urban legend that Lenin faked his suicide and fled to Argentina.
More realisticly the whites could have won by getting the poles to push on in exchange for some concessions
They were doing pretty well overall in polish bolshevik war
But that would cost them to grant independently to Ukraine and Belarus as Poland wanted them as bufer states
Even if everthing went well for them it is unlikely they would manage to finish the war before the end of 1918 so I believe the polish scenario is more realistic
Also its unlikely they would capitulate just by loosing moscow there is also sankt Peterbrough after all
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Why do you think that?
There would still be Hitler
One of the main reasons why hitler came to power was the fact, that people were afraid of the bolshevik rise in Germany as well. Before hitler came to Power this was a real possibility (pro soviet communist sympathizers were a huge problem not just the nazis). If there was no communist treat in the east people can't be scared to march east to destroy "judeo bolshevism"
The conservative government probably survives and among other things the nazis never get to Power. There might be some hightend nationalism to take back Elsass and the polish strip, but nothing like in our time line.
@@rok9344 quoting another comment "After the Chaos of the November Revolution, there still would be avid fear of Communism within Germany, enough for Hitler to fabricate something and bring the NSDAP to power", I don't think that Hitler's rise to power here is that far-fetched, as the humiliation of Germany still happens and the people are still going to be somewhat revanchist even without the communist threat.
@@Historicalsidequestswithout Bolshevik victory, there won't be any spartan uprising and the SPD-KPD split might not have happened. This would mean a stronger German left to resist the Nazis (+ repeated attempts by the communists to start a revolution in Germany was a major cause of the destabilisation of the Weimar Republic).
The ending is abrupt, I hope there will be a second part.
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Forgot to add that if Kolchak had recognised Finnish sovereignty, the Finns would’ve knocked out St. Petersburg and paralysed the reds
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Also if countries like North Korea or Eritrea will not breed even faster in response
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You have a major missed point here with the western territories.
Firstly, the Northern Corps (later renamed Northwestern Army) of the whites was active in both Estonia and Latvia.
The Entente involvement post WWI was motivated by seeking to curb the spread of communism.
If the Whites had won, being imperial Russian supremacists, they would never ever have accepted the independence of the newly created Baltic, Belarusian and Ukrainian states. And the Allies who supported these states against the reds would have sided with the whites. Why? Because all of them were imperial colonial powers at the time, and had no interest in fostering independence ideas in their own colonies and territories. And no, even the idea of weakening Russia as a power would not have been an appealing enough an idea to change their stance on this.
That is exactly why when the Estonians and the Northwestern Army were about 10km from Petrograd (St. Petersburg), which as the former capital of the Russian Empire was for the imperialists far more significant than Moscow, the Estonians had no motivation to continue fighting further and instead sought to make peace with the reds ASAP. Hell, the Tartu Peace Treaty signed in 1920 is basically the birth document of RSFSR, as it is de jure the first time it was recognized as a state. Signing that treaty was wildly opposed by some Entente members, because once again, they were imperial colonialist powers, and they also wished to keep the reds internationally isolated.
So the major plot hole is that none of these states, with the exception of Poland, which is the only one that might've had the power to resist militarily, (and which while partitioned, was mostly out of Russian control before the Russian civil war kicked off), would have been allowed their independence.
It occurred to me I should probably specify what I meant was that the Tartu Peace Treaty was the first one signed with a country that didn't end up on the losing side of WWI, as there was also the Separate Peace Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.
Either way, I highly recommend reading the doctoral thesis of prof. Karsten Brüggemann, titled "Die Gründung der Republik Estland und das Ende des 'Einen und unteilbaren Rußland': die Petrograder Front des russischen Bürgerkriegs 1918-1920", or "The Foundation of the Republic of Estonia and the End of 'Singular and Indivisible Russia': the Petrograd Front of the Russian Civil War 1918-1920".
Romania now has no reason to join the axis
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Why did Romania join te AXIS? They have not lost any of their pre war territories, and they would somewhat support the whites.
That's a fair point.
We need part 2
After 30 years from this video: ”What if Whites won in the USA and Western Europe?“
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Would love to see this timeline’s version of WW2
Great video! Do you think world war 2 would have played out differently? Maybe because white Russia would be allied with the Allies, Russia joins the war much sooner, for better or worse. What do you think?
They would definitely join sooner, maybe even enter the war together with Poland. If that’s a good or bad thing, I don’t know. Could be possible that Hitler doesn’t even annex Czechoslovakia, because White leaders were very pro-slavic and would defend them when Germany would try to take the Sudetenland.
@@Historicalsidequests I'm not sure why you insinuate that only the "Allies" were engaged in conflict with the Reds. Germany had a decades long Communist insurgency and multiple civil wars in the period between 1919 and 1932. Including the Spartacus Revolt and the overthrow of the Bavarian government by the Bavarian Soviet Republic in 1923.
In fact, the German Heer was engaged on multiple fronts with Red Army forces in these years as well. Fighting against Red Army troops in the German client states of Lithunania, Latvia and Estonia, as well as in Ukraine.
Germany was the frontlines of the war. It should probably be called the Soviet-German Cold War.
@@kruggmichaels8958 Because the Entente actively supported the Whites, meanwhile the German Army just left when after they lost WW1, so it was kind of irrelevant to mention them. And as you can see, Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic states are not mapped when the animation for the civil war is rolling. Also I don't really see the point of mentioning German civil war as this was a video about Russia, not about the fight against communism around the world.
@@Historicalsidequests How are you presuming to make videos about history if you don't know anything about interwar Germany? A horrific historical blindspot.
Everything I just told you happened after WW1. So Germany didn't simply "just leave". Are you serious dude? Germany was the European major power that was closest to Russia, they couldn't "just leave". Ridiculous xD
The Red Army attacked Heer garrisons in the Baltics multiple times throughout this decade. As far as I'm aware Germany was the only major power in open conflict with the Reds in 1919.
@@Historicalsidequests You probably think Hitler and Stalin were allies, until Hitler betrayed Stalin. The truth is that Germany and the Soviet Union (then the Soviet Republic) had been at war since 1919.
ok,so i may be a party breaker,but i don't think that hungary and romania would have joined the axis
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There is many factors we need for victory
Now there are many things could happen but first we need make Soviet weaker
so in our time line
- Lenin dies making reds to fight each other
- Wrangel begins to command Don army earlier also whites become more closer to each other making things like land reform more posible
- UK and France actually do something
- Great Soviet commanders like Trotski are dead
After Civil War many thing can happen. We can have military dictatorship or democracy
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Belarus SR (Wouldnt Exist due to Soviet Capitulation) *Uses RSFSR flag*
Wouldnt the romanovs be back in charge*
Amazing vid even amazing info
If They win,kerensky will end as national hero of russian republic(kerensky was guy who owertrew tsar and made him under house arest,Lenin used this and declared revolution and killed tzar under house arrest,after loose he leave to usa and kerensky complain all his live he wasnt a why revolution began)and also father of russia and russian democracy
Kolchak isn't the leader you want for a white victory, in our timeline he didn't have land experience, nor did he have good relations with the west. Anton Denikin, even tho his views were awful, his army, and his staff were genius, they use their calvary to push almost to Moscow, I think if the whites have a better message to get people to their side (like food since there famines in the reds territory) , and also centralize control so their army have better planning plus extra Western support, but this video was good
Nevermind, the Black Baron would’ve been a better commander as he probably would’ve support land reforms
There is a small error in the map. In 1918 Crimea was Russian land so when Ukraine would have get its independence in 1918 after the civil war, Crimea would have belonged to Russia because it was first given to Ukraine in the 1950s/60s by the soviets
USSR supported us in old wars which we would be lost
Serfdom had been abolished back in 1861. The Whites would have done better to let Ukraine and Belarus be independent.
What if Trotsky came to power and started eternal revolution (quite possibly failing it)?
General kappel is my favorite white army general
I knew how to make videos I always have a new alternate history has never been done before. Thinking about putting it into a book format
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After what tsar did? No way also they need a allied military support which they were lacking due to all resources was spent in ww1. The Germany had advance to the east.
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I would give you the benefit of the doubt, since it's a domino effect This Russian state republic would be assumably to be longer than Ussr however given it's big are the they function like US ww2 would happen but Germany became socialist instead of Russia, what if this Russian republic became a axis power, are the territory were willing to stay of to seceded but much more forgiving than the once in the Ussr in 90s? We don't know the answer, of course no cold war so Socialism revolution will not end and might become stronger, colonialism will not end as well since there is no ideology to clash with imperialism ideals specially to the west, and republicanism isn't much of a big deal. Unless this Russian republic committed to help to become a liberator of new world or what if instead of socialism ideals they spread radicalism like what the frech revolution had done, and spread it like one, without something to challenge the new world, the world would remain how it was before. I mean even colonialism is over there is still a political one who replaced it. Not sure of This Russian state didn't want to get involved and focused on strengthen itself, no PRC would be form either, but China would not be in agood state since no one could dissolve quing due to lack of sympathy and support sun yat sens revolution.
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Wouldn't they own Constantinople and eastern anatolia(armenian highlands)
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Imo its pretty unrealistic
I feel like in this timeline Russia would definetely align itself with Germany in WW2 or at least stay neutral. There's no reason for Germany to attack Russia because there is no Communism. From what I can tell, Russia would soon after civil war transform into Fascist-like state similar to Italy, Spain, Portugal, Hungary etc. Just like in our timeline, Germany and Russia would divide Eastern Europe and now when they are ideologically similar states, both strong anti-Communist states, I can see that cooperation being even more strengthened. Definetely interesting topic, great video!
Germany would still had its racist policies towards the slavs so I dont think russians would want to join them. One of the main goals of the nazis was to make a living space for the aryan people so they would propably invade Russia anyway
Germans will still attack them. They "needed living space".
Germany was always going to invade Russia and other Eastern European Slavic countries as it was required for Germany to claim their Lebensraum or "Living space". This was the core of Nazi expansion doctrine and was the reason why they invaded Czechoslovakia and Poland and was the main reason why they attacked the Soviet Union among others
Though you need to remember Hitler’s mad hatred of Slavs.
It is actually improbable that the Nazi party would have even come to power in Germany in this timeline. Not only b/c of the butterfly effect and how only a really specific series of events allowed them power, but also b/c of how it would change the mindset of socialists, communists and even anti-communists, who would now not have the example of Bolshevik Russia.
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They actually won, first at 1977 then at 1991...
In my opinion they would make a deal With poland to partition the baltics along the Daugava river or poland take only Lituania and russia take the rest
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what if ukraine had joined poland during the polish-soviet war?
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How did Reds get any territory
Peasant aid.
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A lot of reds, or bolshevics, were jewish. For no reason, if you ask me.
For no reason? There were multiple reasons actually:
Jews historically were peresecuted all around Europe, and many decided to take merchant jobs which were seen as “lowly” jobs by Christians.
This over time led to generational wealth and when the industrial revolution came to Europe it meant that Jews we’re usually among the first to enter in the middle, and upper(capitalist) classes which meant that they could afford better education -> more communists. Now does it mean that when you get better education you automatically become a communist? No. But in those times you must remember that not all Russians could read, so this simply meant that because of their previous wealth, Jews could get educated and have the access to communist ideas first.
They were all Atheist so in the end,the jewish part is meaningless and only used to fund conspiracies.
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The voice is AI, but the rest (script, animations, editing) is all me.
Basically I write a script and put it in text to speech.
Make sense
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91mil
Palestinians
5mil
Out of 545 Bolshevik commissars, 447 were Palestinians.
The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows:
Bronstein (Trotsky) - Palestinian
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) - Palestinian
Lourie (Larine) - Palestinian
Ouritski - Palestinian
Volodarski - Palestinian
Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) - Palestinian
Smidovitch - Palestinian
Sverdlof (Yankel) - Palestinian
Nakhamkes (Steklof) - Palestinian
Ulyanov (Lenin) - Quarter-Palestinian
Krylenko - Russian
Lounatcharski - Russian
“The Council of the People’s Commissars comprises the following:
MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY
President : Ulyanov (Lenin) - Quarter-Palestinian
Foreign Affairs : Tchitcherine - Russian
Nationalities : Djugashvili (Stalin) - Georgian
Agriculture : Protian - Armenian
Economic Council : Lourie (Larine) - Palestinian
Food : Schlichter - Palestinian
Army & Navy : Bronstein (Trotsky) - Palestinian
State Control : Lander - Palestinian
State Lands : Kauffman - Palestinian
Works : V. Schmidt - Palestinian
Social Relief : E. Lelina (Knigissen) - Palestinian
Public Instruction : Lounatcharsky -Russian
Religion : Spitzberg - Palestinian
Interior : Apfelbaum (Zinovief) - Palestinian
Hygiene : Anvelt - Palestinian
Finance : Isidore Goukovski - Palestinian
Press : Volodarski - Palestinian
Elections : Ouritski - Palestinian
Justice : I. Steinberg - Palestinian
Refugees : Fenigstein - Palestinian
Refugees (assist.) : Savitch - Palestinian
Refugees (assist.) : Zaslovski - Palestinian
“The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:
NAME NATIONALITY
Sverdlov (president) - Palestinian
Avanessof (sec.) - Armenian
Bruno - Lett
Babtchinski - Palestinian
Bukharin - Russian
Weinberg - Palestinian
Gailiss - Palestinian
Ganzburg - Palestinian
Danichevski - Palestinian
Starck -German
Sachs - Palestinian
Scheinmann - Palestinian
Erdling - Palestinian
Landauer - Palestinian
Linder - Palestinian
Wolach - Czech
Dimanstein - Palestinian
Encukidze - Georgian
Ermann - Palestinian
Joffe - Palestinian
Karkline - Palestinian
Knigissen - Palestinian
Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) - Palestinian
Apfelbaum (Zinovief) - Palestinian
Krylenko - Russian
Krassikof Sachs - Palestinian
Kaprik - Palestinian
Kaoul - Lett
Ulyanov (lenin) - Quarter-Palestinian
Latsis - Palestinian
Lander - Palestinian
Lounatcharski - Russian
Peterson - Lett
Peters - Lett
Roudzoutas - Palestinian
Rosine - Palestinian
Smidovitch - Palestinian
Stoutchka - Lett
Nakhamkes (Steklof) - Palestinian
Sosnovski - Palestinian
Skrytnik - Palestinian
Bronstein (Trotsky) - Palestinian
Teodorovitch - Palestinian
Terian - Armenian
Ouritski - Palestinian
Telechkine - Russian
Feldmann - Palestinian
Froumkine - Palestinian
Souriupa - Ukranian
Tchavtchevadze - Georgian
Scheikmann - Palestinian
Rosental - Palestinian
Achkinazi - Imeretian
Karakhane Karaim - Palestinian
Rose - Palestinian
Sobelson (Radek) - Palestinian
Sclichter - Palestinian
Schikolini - Palestinian
Chklianski - Palestinian
Levine (Pravdine) - Palestinian
“The following is the list of members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:
NAME NATIONALITY
Dzerjinski (president) - Pole
Peters (vice-president) - Lett
Chklovski - Palestinian
Kheifiss - Palestinian
Zeistine - Palestinian
Razmirovitch - Palestinian
Kronberg - Palestinian
Khaikina - Palestinian
Karlson - Lett
Schaumann - Palestinian
Leontovitch - Palestinian
Jacob Goldine - Palestinian
Glaperstein - Palestinian
Kniggisen - Palestinian
Latzis - Lett
Schillenkuss - Palestinian
Janson - Lett
Rivkine - Palestinian
Antonof - Russian
Delafabre - Palestinian
Tsitkine - Palestinian
Roskirovitch - Palestinian
G. Sverdlof - Palestinian
Biesenski - Palestinian
Blioumkine - Palestinian
Alexandrevitch - Russian
I. Model - Palestinian
Routenberg - Palestinian
Pines - Palestinian
Sachs - Palestinian
Daybol - Lett
Saissoune H - Armenian
Deylkenen - Lett
Liebert - Palestinian
Vogel - German
Zakiss - Lett,,...
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I'm sorry but what does this have to do with the video? CZcams is warning me that you are spamming comments.
@@Historicalsidequests everything
@@patternrecon5271Elaborate. Also as far as i know Trotsky was Jewish.
@@Historicalsidequests replace palestinian with jewish
@@patternrecon5271 and why does it matter that a part of them are Jewish? "Everything" is not an answer, and copy pasting information just shows you have no idea on how to express your opinion in your own words and use somebody else's.
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