Have you found any heavy armor in act 1? One of the advantages of heavy armor proficiency is that you can dump dex, but that is of course not possible, if you need to play 50 hours with medium armor first... How much of an advantage heavy armor proficiency is for rangers strongly depends on when you find your first decent set
@Fextralife Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why does your gameplay, character creation screen, etc. look different than what I have early access to? I just downloaded game (specifically because D4 is basically broken), and I was noticing your screen looks different than mine.
I don't know. I have been thinking about the class choice for months now. Usually I default to fighter or wizard, but there are so many great options in this game.
@KingsandGenerals Yo love you videos man! Glad that your liking BG3 just like the rest of us. The potential combos of a Ranger Gloomstalker multi classed with a Rogue Assassin is going to be crazy on first turn potential
As a DnD newbie I appreciate these kinds of videos and find them to be quite helpful. I feel like I got a better understanding of what both classes excel at.
True. Pick Folk Hero or Outlander background and Bounty Hunter and Urban Tracker and you can select sleight of hand as one of your skills as Ranger while people without I think Bounty Hunter can't and you will have 8 skills with proficiency that way and proficiency with the disguise kits and thieves' tools and Thieves' Cant passive making you be the team Ranger and Rogue in one. Now you can put Astarion and Shadowheart on bench and play with other companions.
That Wood Elf pick is hyper optimized, giving you the single greatest amount of level1 proficiencies possible paired with Ranger level 1 picks and a carefully selected Background. Rogue would only be better as a first level to dip into Charisma and a little more Intelligence skills.
Loving the BG3 content! As the game gets closer to launch, you'll probably have to start segregating these videos into Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced level guides. There's a lot of information in DnD, and it might help people who are coming to the channel know where to start looking. Personally I'd like to see a video dedicated to the interactions and use of environmental effects. There's a lot of very useful terrain tactics that aren't obvious!
These are really good suggestions. I'm into the 5e CharOp community, so I know plenty about 5e; but Larian's gameplay flourishes will all be new to me.
I put around 200 hours into Divinity Original Sin 2 but have been waiting for BG3's full release to play it so i'm hoping my DOS2 knowledge will help me in BG3 a lot. lol
I am genuinely so excited to play splitscreen with my wife, after Diablo 4 devs weaseling their way out of releasing couch coop for PC (muh technology) I’m glad there are still studios out there that are willing to keep coop alive.
If you were an assassin and did this, on the initial round would all ranged attacks have advantage and crit potentially against a single target you surprised? Edit: oh, do only thieves get the double bonus action?
If they are using same logic in DnD, you can not dual wield hand crossbows. You must have 1 free hand to releod in DnD, you cant even hold shiel or smt. but you can have crossbow expert feat which allows you to use your bonus action to shoot again. So with crosbow expert feat, a thief rogue at level 4 can attack 3 times.
@@runo949 you can dual wield hand crossbows in BG3, with a level 5 gloomstalker and level 3 thief you can attack 5 times on the first turn, then 4 every other turn
This series is amazing. So many classes and choices-the direct comparison is very helpful! Wonderfully timed from my perspective as my friend and I were just texting this morning and I literally said I was thinking of multi rogue ranger. All in all super helpful!
From playing around in the EA it seems that rogues really shine in regards to the action economy, even more than in tabletop 5E. Not only is mobility one of the most important aspects of combat (bonus action dash is huge) but there's a lot of items that grant quite strong bonus effects on dashing. A lightning charge thief build is absurdly strong in the EA and once multiclassing becomes an option it could easily become absurd.
I never multiclass but a Ranger/Rogue sounds like it could be a lot of fun to play. These excellent class overviews have opened my eyes to all kinds of possibilities. I would like to see more 2 class comparisons that would multiclass together well.
Been playing D&D since school (35+ years ago), and was similar but decided to muticlass in a IRL game and have a Lvl 5 Ranger Gloomstalker/Lvl 4 Rogue Scout and it's one of the most versatile fun builds I've ever played. Will be doing a Ranger/Rogue for my first play through.
I thought I struggled in Divinity 2 deciding what classes and spells I wanted. This game is gonna destroy me! Excited for more guides on these classes cause I definitely need them! Hopefully you can make one on great dual classes to chose!
@@HeyDudes2000 Well you can respec in div2 after fort joy at least but that can take some time to finish in itself lol. This time around we get it super early which is really nice.
I had this game in my wishlist waiting for the newer classes to drop (monk cough cough) and after seeing this and the dark urge monk, I’m ready to dive in. Thanks for the vids!
This was definitely useful and I really liked the part where you talked about multiclassing these two into one. As a total Baldurs Gate noob that inspired me to try out an assassin / gloomstalker combo. I wouldn't mind more videos structured like this, like comparing classes that fit together superbly well and then mentioning the multi class potential of the two.
idk how this game will work with cap being lvl 12 but i know DND Gloomstalker - Assassin is a strong opener, can have one of the strongest opening combos in the game especially at lvl 6.
@@MCG55SS Would you not go Gloomstalker 5 before Assassin 3 to get the extra attack though? I've never played this multiclass and it's going to be my first character in BG3
@@XBezerkerX a normal d&d campaign I would say yes but with the cap game only being level 12, that means you'll be level eight before you got to sneak attack bonus and monsters will be stronger due you being an early endgame roughly or the ending of midgame. So this is just me theory crafting that the stealth bonus damage on your opener will be more beneficial at 6 then waiting to get your two attacks and then going to get your bonus. 9/3 or maybe 8/4 is probably still the final build but the question is when do optimally Branch off. Also I think getting the rogue skillset earlier might open up more options in the game.
I'm a wizard for life, so that's what my character will be. However, I recently had a playthrough where I created another custom character alongside my wizard and that character was a ranger. And OH MY, was I happy with having one in my party! I specced him into archery and I'd take him over Astarion any day. The sheer precision and reliability of the class (especially once he gets double attack) plus the extra benefit of utility spells makes him a perfect low maintenance turret I can always rely on. On the other hand, rogues are great, but they're kind of forced into melee to make use of all their actions, which means you also end up with them getting wailed on by the baddies
gloomstalker assassin deep gnomes with a bow exterminate whole encounters before they can even do anything, I'm glad they added assassin and gloomstalkers as their third subclass for some gameplay variation!
These class comparison videos are extremely helpful and informative. As someone who is holding off and waiting for the official release before playing, this has help clarify what and how i would like to play as. Thank you Fextra!
As someone who has learned alot of the basics from the early access , information about useful multiclass options is really valuable , for instance you mentioning using the thief subclass to get a extra bonus action was not something I had really considered and I might even consider it for say my barbarian at higher levels
@@enkidu2562 Do you mean "Action surge" on 2-th or an extra attacks on the 5-th and 11-th level for fighters? Most martial classes get the extra attacks on 5-th lvl, but I'd say the thief is quite unique for getting the 2-d bonus action. That would make mix with berserker quite good
@@enkidu2562 It's totally fine, there is always something new to learn. Like dual wielding hand crossbows was something new to me yesterday :/ I guess I spend more time going through wikies than playing the actual game, lol
Do not sleep on the Thief Rogue. I just finished an *essentially solo Early Access run using my Thief, and having 2 bonus actions makes for amazing stealth and dash opportunities. I could easily maneuver to enemy blind spots to sneak attack them and stealth back into the shadows. You don’t need a high amount of HP or heavy armor if you never get hit! And if I did get into a tight spot, I could dash 3 times in a single round to gain distance and reset a fight. Even just having a second opportunity to stealth if the first attempt failed was huge! Strongly considering a Thief for my Dark Urge play through just because of how solo capable it felt. * I say “essentially solo” above as the only companion I kept around for my EA run was Gale, and that’s just so I could park him in front of a vendor and instantly send loot to him to sell while my Thief kept murdering.
I've been trying to read up on race and classes on dndbeyond and it's helpful to even get an idea of what the primary stats tend to be and also understand the upgrades and what-not for each level but these videos are invaluable in terms of understanding synergies and all that. I was thinking on multi-classing monk with one of these classes but anyway, I appreciated the good work that you are putting in. Thank you.
This is a perfect side-by-side comparison. These are my two favorite classes. I'll be playing this game for the rest of my life, so I'm sure I'll do a full playthrough with each class, and then try some multiclassing.
Long-term 5e user here. Def going 5 Gloomstalker/5 assassin/2 trickery domain. Stealth God incoming💪🏻 The damage out put of hunters mark, extra attack long bow, gloomstalker initial bonus, assassin, and sneak attack is insane. Adding two levels of trickery domain can always allow advantage on stealth, and a little charisma flare for duplicity. If you're considering the infiltrator roll in your group, try this multiclass out.
The advantage with stealth for rangers is only significant if you don't have Shadowheart in your party though. Cause if she's in, your rogue will be nearly invisible with all the bonuses she brings to stealth.
I'm definitely planning on making Astarion a Thief/Shadow Monk multiclass. I find the monk to be a great way to simulate vampire strength and speed, and that extra bonus action from thief works SO well with the monk's bonus actions!
@@AndreyKrichevsky They will both use wisdom for spells along with perhaps some dex. Additionally the Shadow monk subclass should have some good repositioning tools and steal synergies. I've watched an insane amount of aestus_rpg and he goes into a lot of it in his videos.
Fantastic! I have been debating playing Rouge or Ranger or Warlock in that order .. I figured I'd end up multi classing Rouge Ranger. Can't wait to see your Warlock video
I really enjoyed this video and it answered a lot of my questions. I've been wavering between Ranger and rogue as my first character and this really helped. I've always loved Ranger characters and Gloomstalker sealed the deal. Thank you.
Still planning on making my Slasher build and this helped. Going to be a Gloomstalker/Shadow monk. Was having a hell of a time trying to choose stalker or assassin. Thx for the great vid
I wanted to play an assassination like build like im playing rn in divinity original sin 2, and i see so much cool stuff you could do with multiclassing both of these
And stealth works much better in BG3 than it did in Div2, i love the game but the stealth was just almost always pointless xD Now we can make big opening hits ;3
@erickchristensen746 fr tho😭 I was like, it's gonna be so cool to come up behind somebody and one shot them and then go invisible and switch to a bow, but I ain't ever used sneak other than to pickpocket. That's all it's good for most the time
You have come a loooong way. I was watching your divinity sin videos. 😂😅 talking about monotone reading bulletins from a script. Congrats on all the success!!
This might've convinced me to play Gloomstalker/Assassin multiclass. Specifically 8 Gloomstalker/4 Assassin: after hitting lvl 5 Gloomstalker to get Extra Attack and lvl 2 spells (most notably Pass Without Trace), get your 4 levels of Assassin and pick up that juicy Assassinate feature as well as Expertise/Sneak Attack, then finish leveling in Gloomstalker. Since the split is 8/4 you won't miss any ASIs or Feats, you'll just get your second one slightly late. You don't get lvl 3 spells, but you do insane burst damage on 1st rounds and have a lot of firepower both in and out of stealth.
Dexterity focus ranger with Longbow 6 level Champion Fighter/3 level Gloom Stalker Ranger/3 level Assassin Rogue. If you surprise enemy you have 3 attacks. Action Surge, 2 more attacks all with crits. If you have haste its 6 attacks. Hunter's Mark as Bonus action + Sharpshooter feat.
@@DekuDude That will do more damage for sure. But Trickster gives access to so many cool spells that it'll make the moments between combat much more fun. Plus the game didn't seem hard at all in EA so I think I can live without the extra damage.
Im planning on Dragonborn Sorlock Storm Sorcery....If Draconic I wouldn't know which color to pick.since so many enemies in game are fire based you'd assume they would be fire resistance as well.I think I would be tempted to use Blue for lighting since this might very effective in combat....I know Storm Sorcery may be more Thunder and Lighting spells orientated.Any thoughts?
Keep up with those vids… because of Baldurs Gate 1 I build my first pc. So bg3 is a dream come true. I consume every little piece of content like candy. 🤩
i just couldn't get over how much damage sneak attack does especially the ranged version. it's great for downing casters quickly. It's even great against bosses. I'm considering playing rogue basically just for ranged sneak attack, it's so good.
Id like to see a Barbarian/Fighter video. I am sure you'd get to it eventually. I am really interested in how those two can multiclass for possibly the ultimate tank build. But this was very insightful did not expect Ranger to be so versatile.
My plan, with no clue about the game, is a Bard. I just love to talk me out of Situations and think Bards should be at least decent at that and support the Rest of the party in case of figthing.
Earlier a person mentioned beginner, intermediate, etc. guides. Perhaps in some of the advanced guides you might mention which glasses mesh, starting ones and when to change. Respecing will make when to switch a little less important. As always, thank you for the hard work
Hmm.I always try to play either Rogue or Ranger so the idea is to multiclass at least one of them. Rogue Thief/Ranger Beastmaster with heavy armor proficiency and dual wielding seems weirdly appealing to me. Or maybe Rogue Thief/Bard College of swords for my sneaky support and charm main character. Another idea is Ranger Beastmaster/Druid Wild shape to embrace my wild nature? Will probably restart the act 1 a couple times untill I decide what feels best for me.
Great idea! This kind of video is very useful because for casual D&D players, all these choices could be overwhelming because of so many possibilities. Can't wait for another video.
I want to thank you for these videos. Im 35 and just getting into anything related to dnd. I know its nothing like the same but i was a huge fan of dragon age origins and this game reminds me of that, which i loved when i was in my early 20's. Played a little bg3 as a Warlock but have decided to do a full playthrough as a Ranger thanks to this video. This game is next level.
For any DnD newbies, if you are going for a ranger archer type of build. Dex fighter is also very good. They get a second attack and action surge so you can use your two attacks all in the same turn which is 4 ranged attacks and if you take sharpshooter feat at level 4. You essentially become an arrow turret.
If you want more spice go champion subclass so you crit on 19+ and if you go Halfling you reroll 1s. So your crit chance goes up drastically in comparison to other builds.
@@1CaptainFunk1Oh hell nah Champion Fighter is actually the worst Subclass in the entire game Crit Fishing in general is super bad Unless you are Assassin Rogue, they are the only good Crit Fisher Also, Ranger is better than Fighter because they have spells, not just Archery You are saying it like "Paladin bad class because i cant swing my sword" when the entire reason why Paladins are great not just for Smiting, but utility spells
Thief3/Paladin so you can cast another BA smite spell to smite on. Thief3/Sorcerer for additional quickened spell. Im curious to see if the Tepest cleric's 6th lvl ability that lets them push a large or smaller creature any time they deal lighting damage works in BG3. With the Sparky set you can find in the early access, that's a lot of pushes and this game rewards that. Looking forward to more from you all!!!
Beastmaster is underappreciated. Bore has rage. So it has barbarian resistances..plus frenzy strike. So boar hp is effectively doubled and has two attacks. Ranger also has two attacks. 4 attacks per round and a ton of hp
@@erickchristensen746 as of early access the druids forms are weaker then ranger companions. With boar charge i actually got 6 hits in one round before. Its crazy. Beastmaster was always considered one of the weakest classes in the game, and larian really beefed it up. Its not broken. Any full spellcaster can do more damage in a round, but beastmaster can do steady damage all day with no resting
Really enjoyed the video! I appreciate how you went into detail with some of the abilities and how they could potentially help players. In the future I'd appreciate videos on spells and spell explanations. Not so much on when they become available but when and how they'll be useful when used in game. I understand that many spells haven't been seen/used but I'd appreciate theory videos if nothing else. :)
Cant wait to see some custom multiclassed builds from you. Personally, im going for a blue lightning-based Dragonborn with Draconic Bloodline and Tempest Cleric
I was thinking about the lightening based draconian sorcerer with the tempest cleric too. Do you know if the armor class bonus with the draconic stacks with regular armor?
@@battlefieldpro12345 - that’s how I was reading it too, based on description, but I was hoping I was wrong 🤷♂️ 🤦♂️. Would be GREAT AC if you could keep the bonus!
The thought of a rogue/paladin tiefling making four attacks in a turn utilizing duel wield, and then having multiple smites to pump sounds like a delicious critical fishing build.
I want to go with the gloom stalker on my first play through which will probably last a year lol. But I’m pretty sure that’s the route. I will take as far as my kind of style is concerned, and this video helped with narrowing that down. So a stealth ranger distance now style is what I’m going for. Not really planning on multi classing as instinctively, I don’t want to lose access to those Max high tier level cat skill capabilities however, rogue is obviously a strong candidate with stealth aspects so mixing the two seems like a very viable route to take. In any case, at least this video helped to give me some clarity on those two areas as far as a Ranger and rogue is concerned I’m also very interested in the sorcerer and warlock. Again my instinct is not to multi class because of fear of losing those higher tier capabilities at level cap. I’ll do it where it seems viable but otherwise I want to go into a class completely to fully maximize its potential. So I’m looking forward to your next video in regards to those classes in better understanding the difference is there
great video... I've been thinking more about party synergy. Do I need a healer, do I need to bring a thief for disarming and lockpicking (and even stealing an weapon from a vendor), etc... I wish the party size was 5 instead of 4
One thing to add, with the completely re balanced strength in BG3, its best not to auto think its a dump stat for everyone except maybe, maybe, a barbarian. In fact, I jammed through alot of early access as a strength based ranger beast master and I actually had a blast doing it. You might be able to do the same for rogue too, but I havent tested that. Food for thought.
I agree. I was shocked when I noticed a lot of online players building characters with Strength as their dump stat. Seemed so weird to me. I like strong characters!
well early access was all about strength because better melee weapons and no sharpshooter/cross bow expert feats. gloom stalker going pew pew from the shadows will swap the meta
@1973scotta funny that as I did get to testing strength rogue last night. My barbarian, Thief rogue will be saying hi on release in a very non memey, actually Hella solid way to that gloom stalker. Don't get it twisted, I ain't trying to suggest that the meta will be different, I am hoping that the meta is simply dead. Metas existing in any game is simply a lack of balancing and/or imagination.
@@liberalideas8224 berserker thief will make a brutal bg3 damage dealer, tank, mobile and stealthy when needed. If all these bonus actions are allowed to stack it will be the one that cleans up whatever lived through the gloomstalker attacks that went first.
Honestly I have been debating these two classes for BG3 for over a year now. Still don’t know which way I’m going to go in the end but leaning towards gloom stalker ranger for the first 5 levels and then maybe either multi class with assassin or keep to the gloom stalker. Hope they are as fun as I expect them to be. Have been avoiding the early access as I only play games once.
@@ThwipThwipBoom your right. But I have a few hard rules with games. First I’m 38 and have two kids and a full time job. Don’t have infinite hours to game. Second life is a little too short to replay a game when there are so many games out there to experience. Have never replayed a game since I was a child. There are too many good games to play to waste another 200 or so hours replaying the same game. Got Starfield a month after BG3 then the expansion to cyberpunk a month later. Either way I’ll do a full play through trying to miss as little as possible, then move on to the next game.
@@arch173ct Fair enough. Honestly though, Starfield is likely to be a buggy mess and Todd Howard is known to exaggerate things so odds are you'll get lucky and Starfield will be a broken mid game at launch and you'll get to have a game out of your backlog.
@@ThwipThwipBoom 😂 I have played all of Bethesda games going back to morrowind on day one and I totally mirror your opinion. But at this point that’s kinda the charm of a Bethesda game. Though I do believe they delayed it long enough to at least be playable. Either way can’t wait for BD3 and sinking my entire 3 weeks of summer holidays into only that! Well and family :)
@@arch173ct Agreed. I grew up playing Fallout 3 and New Vegas (650+ hours in those 2 combined probably). I freaking loved playing Fallout 4 and Skyrim in my teenage and college years (200+ hours in each). However I'm well aware of how far Bethesda has fallen since Fallout 4 so I've tempered my expectations for Starfield and am being realistic with how it's probably going to be quality wise. Although I do hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be a masterpiece. 🙏
I understand it may make little sense to do 2 rogue ones after each other, but I'm really stuck between assassin rogue and way of shadow monk. Possibly a rogue-monk comparison in future?
Choices man, choices! Only 4 open spots for party, 12 classes, tons of sub-classes, multi-classing, 8 known party members with more likely yet seen, magical item usage, skills, ability scores... I love fat RPG's that give me this ♥
Why not 5 ranger, 7 rogue. 2 attacks and 2 bonus actions with Thief. Would make really good duel wielder with sneak attack 4d6. Hasted you can attack 6 times each turn :). 5times if using Huntersmark (5d6 extra dmg in this case). Though Figher / Thief duel-wielder will get 8 attacks on 1st round adding Action surge :D Then there is Gloomstalker / assasin or the I always strike first build.
@@DekuDude Not sure which is better. But I like options so 5 Battlemaster / 7 Thief them most? As Dex Duel-wielder. Manuevers, 2 attack per action, 2 bonus actions, Action Surge. You can do many different things with that. Gloomstalker / Assasin is ultimate stealth character that is great in that 1 thing only. That might get boring in 200hr game.
Both are good. Astarion is gonna be my Gloomstalker/Thief. 5 in Ranger and 7 in Rogue. P.S I know how strong Assassin is with Gloom but being able to use healing ward twice is so good.
As a dnd player I really like to multi-class Sorcerer and Warlock so that you get sorcery points from Sorcerer (and natural armor if you're Draconic) and that you gain back spell slots on short rests from Warlock. Also thematic I like the idea of of having like a Demonic dragon as my patron/ancestor. It's a fun combo and since both use Charisma for spellcasting it melds togeather well. PLUS! With Charisma you also have some great dialogue options so you could be some deceptive dude or a performer perhaps? Again I love this multi-class. Sorcerer also have Wild Magic origin for sorcerer is always fun!
Id say the real trick is to grab 3 levels in rogue or ranger and the remainder in the other. They have very good synergies and I'd argue combining them is more potent than just going one. Though i think ranger 9 rogue 3 is the better because you get more armor and weapon proficiency and the all important extra attack at 5.
This is the decision I have been thinking about as I prepare for my first playthrough. Right now leaning towards Wood Elf Ranger, with of course Shadowheart and not sure who the other two companions will be.
This was such an informative video. Really great idea to compare two or three classes together. Imo it gave a better perspective about the differences and similarities of these classes
I've been DMing in TTRPGs for half my life (16 years now) and I am DMing for 5th ed for about 5 years now. I have seen the 5lvl Gloodmstalker Ranger/ 5lvl Assassin Rogue in action in my DnD game and the character was a gamechanger, one man army. I was going to build a Gloomstalker/Assassin, but I wasn't sure if I would go ranger first or rogue first due to roleplay elements and environment interaction. Since there is a respec feature in the game (early on, as you said in a previous video), I will start with 5 lvls of rogue to succeed in some early game rolls and then respec him into a 5 lvls Ranger and multiclass into rogue from 6th level onwards. Thank you for the video.
@@Connie_Hakaseangers are a pretty big game changer in the hand of someone who knows to use the spells like Pass Without Trace stealth or Spike Growth Shutdown, the Archery just make them not useless when their spell slots ran out or is allready concentrating on a spell, treat them like Paladin where their Spells actually what sells the class Hunters Mark and Ensnaring Strike encourage bad gameplay since while yes, Hunters Mark is good against Legendary resistance enemy, but what about when you are getting attack by 8 Wolfs who can kill you with Pack Tactics? Fog Cloud the party and make them stay still, Pack Tactics will not work for the Wolfs and instead both the party and Wolfes roll on Neutral Advantage(The Fog is Heavily Obscured enviroment and being inside it cause the Blinded condition where they roll disadvantage for attacks but attacking them is on advantage, since Advantages and Disdavantages dont stack the attack roll is on Neutral, Except if someone has Blind Sight then that attacker rolls on Advantage while the attacker on the Blind Sight is on Disadvantage or neutral if they have any way to gain advantage like Pack Tactics but get disabled anyway since blinded, also True Sight doesnt work on Fog Cloud since its a Conjuration not Illusion) Summoning 8 Animals with Conjure Animals is INCREDIBLY powerfull, thats free meat shields and 8 extra attacks And you can get guess what, 8 Wolves or 8 Velociraptors who has Pack Tactics
Very useful - thanks. Definitely sticking with rogue. I like my main character to be the one that interacts with the world. That leads me to rogue. I might dual class to fighter at some point. Another thought is Rogue/Bard. Not sure if that is allowed
Gloom stalker is probably why variant human did not make it into the game on release. There are a lot of strong builds in dnd, and then there is variant human gloom stalker. 🙂 Coming FULLY online at only level 5 - leaving you with a huge space for all kinds of awesome options. At 5, you fight in the dark (easy advantage) you can do some silly damage. If you hit on everything you are looking at close to 100 damage in a single turn. That is before we start adding magical items into the mix here.
Reliable talent at lvl 11 will be huge for rogue also. Not sure if you mentioned. I'll be doing skilled feat at lvl 10 and have 11 skills with lowest roll being 10 at lvl 11. So much utility outside of combat.
Would be nice to see more videos to compare classes with the same role : for example one video on wizards warlocks and sorcerers for the mage archetype, or another one on barbarians fighters and paladin for the melee archetype, and perhaps doing a comparison on witch one is the best for tanking, witch one is better as a bruiser etc
I think ranger/rogue will be multi-classed a lot. I think it would be helpful for you to explain the order in which to gain levels. Should i start as a rogue for the extra skill(s) and expertise, or should i go ranger 5 for 2 attacks and then 7 levels of rogue?
Ranger 5 (Gloomstalker) first for extra attack, then 4 rogue for the subclass (Assassin) and feat/asi, then I'd go ranger for the rest to pick up spell slots. Alternately, you can work in fighter 2 after the rogue levels for an extra fighting style and action surge to really have explosive first rounds of combat
@@johnramey9828 Thanks for the assist! The more i think of rogue subclasses i start to wonder if thief does may be better. DnD 5e does not give 2 bonus actions. I am wondering if any feats would allow a ranged ranger/rogue to use bonus actions for extra attacks (like 2 weapon fighting does).
@namelessdrifter651 crossbow expert allows for a bonus action extra attack. I don't know if that'll stack with thief, then add in sharpshooter for some real big damage
I've played Thief and both specs of Ranger in patch 9 and I can definitely say Ranger outshines the Rogue in damage (in EA at a minimum). What Rogues really need at lvl 5 is the extra attack (in addition to the bonus attack they get at lvl 3), not the current non half working damage reduction perk. Also if you play Beast Master Ranger, it's like getting 3 main attacks at lvl 5 the dire raven was hitting enemies for around 20 dmg, the pet dmg scales by lvl. Add in the extra survivability of the Ranger, no tricks being required to do max damage, and being able to just sit safely at range, there's no purpose to the thief that any other melee class doesn't already do better. I would say 2H Oathbreaker Paladin slaps way harder that Thief does, all while having heavy armor, decent buffs/debuffs, and heals.
Just a side note... one that helps with multiclassing massively via rogue... Sneak attack does not need to be piercing.. nor does it need finesse weapons. When they do a sneak attack, that bonus matched the weapon's damage type... so a strength based character can, yes, do sneak damage bonus with a maul, and their 20 strength, for example. Yes, a strength based rogue is possible for some aspects of their usual role, so long as you can find ways of doing what stealth does... and gettiing them advantage. ...picking locks via hammer (wont work on all doors!) ...disarming traps (floor based) via barrelmancy... sure, str is possible... not ideal but... hilariously, possible.
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Have you found any heavy armor in act 1?
One of the advantages of heavy armor proficiency is that you can dump dex, but that is of course not possible, if you need to play 50 hours with medium armor first...
How much of an advantage heavy armor proficiency is for rangers strongly depends on when you find your first decent set
do you know if druids can now recast spells like moonbeam in wildshape form in the full game?
Please do Fighter vs Ranger melee .
@Fextralife Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why does your gameplay, character creation screen, etc. look different than what I have early access to? I just downloaded game (specifically because D4 is basically broken), and I was noticing your screen looks different than mine.
@@Josh-dx8gi You are in Early Access, this footage is from the full game.
I don't know. I have been thinking about the class choice for months now. Usually I default to fighter or wizard, but there are so many great options in this game.
Sorlock is the only way.
Oh hey, it's you! Love your videos. I have learnt so much history from them. Glad to see you're getting in on the BG3 action.
@KingsandGenerals Yo love you videos man! Glad that your liking BG3 just like the rest of us. The potential combos of a Ranger Gloomstalker multi classed with a Rogue Assassin is going to be crazy on first turn potential
Like the format.
Cleric v Druid
Fighter v Barbarian v Paladin v Monk
Blue Dragonborn Tempest Cleric/Storm Sorcerer + Larian wet condition homebrew. 😁
As a DnD newbie I appreciate these kinds of videos and find them to be quite helpful. I feel like I got a better understanding of what both classes excel at.
Take my advice. Make a sorcerer that kills everything with a shovel.
Gloomstalker changed my mind on this comparison. Instant first playthrough as a wood elf. Going to be amazing.
Yep gloomstalker for sure. I’m partial to half elf or drow though.
True.
Pick Folk Hero or Outlander background and Bounty Hunter and Urban Tracker and you can select sleight of hand as one of your skills as Ranger while people without I think Bounty Hunter can't and you will have 8 skills with proficiency that way and proficiency with the disguise kits and thieves' tools and Thieves' Cant passive making you be the team Ranger and Rogue in one.
Now you can put Astarion and Shadowheart on bench and play with other companions.
Deep gnome gives that advantage on stealth and even further darkvision. Plus...gnomes!
@@reilley26 I'm not a fan of stunties ;p.
That Wood Elf pick is hyper optimized, giving you the single greatest amount of level1 proficiencies possible paired with Ranger level 1 picks and a carefully selected Background.
Rogue would only be better as a first level to dip into Charisma and a little more Intelligence skills.
A short summary at the end of what each of these classes excel at, conceptually, would be cool. Side by side as bulletpoints.
agreed
Loving the BG3 content!
As the game gets closer to launch, you'll probably have to start segregating these videos into Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced level guides. There's a lot of information in DnD, and it might help people who are coming to the channel know where to start looking.
Personally I'd like to see a video dedicated to the interactions and use of environmental effects. There's a lot of very useful terrain tactics that aren't obvious!
Thank you for the idea! I’ll try and put what we have made so far into playlists to help a bit too
These are really good suggestions. I'm into the 5e CharOp community, so I know plenty about 5e; but Larian's gameplay flourishes will all be new to me.
I put around 200 hours into Divinity Original Sin 2 but have been waiting for BG3's full release to play it so i'm hoping my DOS2 knowledge will help me in BG3 a lot. lol
Not sure thats needed. 5e is very basic
I'm gonna go with both. Start rogue then go into Ranger.
Thinking about doing this or the inverse, Rnger to Gloom Stalker, dip in fighter, then rogue the rest of the way. So excited!
I'm doing gloomstalker then going into figther ❤
I will go 4 lvl Rouge thief for bonus action and cunning action and ability point then 8lvl into ranger gloom stalker probably dual crossbow
I'm gonna do both. Starting with ranger, then going into rogue
@@MrWiecol I love that! So many options 🥳😍
I am genuinely so excited to play splitscreen with my wife, after Diablo 4 devs weaseling their way out of releasing couch coop for PC (muh technology) I’m glad there are still studios out there that are willing to keep coop alive.
Do not underestimate the power of a Rogue with 2 bonus actions..
Duel wielding hand crossbows might be the strongest range option in the game.
If you were an assassin and did this, on the initial round would all ranged attacks have advantage and crit potentially against a single target you surprised? Edit: oh, do only thieves get the double bonus action?
Only thieves get an extra bonus action (1 action and 2 bonus actions per turn)
If they are using same logic in DnD, you can not dual wield hand crossbows. You must have 1 free hand to releod in DnD, you cant even hold shiel or smt.
but you can have crossbow expert feat which allows you to use your bonus action to shoot again. So with crosbow expert feat, a thief rogue at level 4 can attack 3 times.
@supermonkey100 yes, thieves only. I did get a magic item in the goblin camp that allows an additional bonus action too, so there are other ways.
@@runo949 you can dual wield hand crossbows in BG3, with a level 5 gloomstalker and level 3 thief you can attack 5 times on the first turn, then 4 every other turn
This series is amazing. So many classes and choices-the direct comparison is very helpful! Wonderfully timed from my perspective as my friend and I were just texting this morning and I literally said I was thinking of multi rogue ranger. All in all super helpful!
From playing around in the EA it seems that rogues really shine in regards to the action economy, even more than in tabletop 5E. Not only is mobility one of the most important aspects of combat (bonus action dash is huge) but there's a lot of items that grant quite strong bonus effects on dashing. A lightning charge thief build is absurdly strong in the EA and once multiclassing becomes an option it could easily become absurd.
I never multiclass but a Ranger/Rogue sounds like it could be a lot of fun to play. These excellent class overviews have opened my eyes to all kinds of possibilities. I would like to see more 2 class comparisons that would multiclass together well.
Been playing D&D since school (35+ years ago), and was similar but decided to muticlass in a IRL game and have a Lvl 5 Ranger Gloomstalker/Lvl 4 Rogue Scout and it's one of the most versatile fun builds I've ever played. Will be doing a Ranger/Rogue for my first play through.
@@runebinder sounds fun!
I thought I struggled in Divinity 2 deciding what classes and spells I wanted. This game is gonna destroy me!
Excited for more guides on these classes cause I definitely need them! Hopefully you can make one on great dual classes to chose!
Thankfully you’ll be able to respect from the get go, so you won’t have to replay the first act every time you get inspired by a new build like me 😅
@@HeyDudes2000 Well you can respec in div2 after fort joy at least but that can take some time to finish in itself lol. This time around we get it super early which is really nice.
I had this game in my wishlist waiting for the newer classes to drop (monk cough cough) and after seeing this and the dark urge monk, I’m ready to dive in. Thanks for the vids!
This was definitely useful and I really liked the part where you talked about multiclassing these two into one. As a total Baldurs Gate noob that inspired me to try out an assassin / gloomstalker combo. I wouldn't mind more videos structured like this, like comparing classes that fit together superbly well and then mentioning the multi class potential of the two.
idk how this game will work with cap being lvl 12 but i know DND Gloomstalker - Assassin is a strong opener, can have one of the strongest opening combos in the game especially at lvl 6.
@@MCG55SS yeah I've no idea seeing as I've never actually played dnd, but I'm sure they've changed / balanced things to fit the level cap
@@MCG55SS They can respec if they want at any point starting rather earl in the game so people can experiment
@@MCG55SS Would you not go Gloomstalker 5 before Assassin 3 to get the extra attack though? I've never played this multiclass and it's going to be my first character in BG3
@@XBezerkerX a normal d&d campaign I would say yes but with the cap game only being level 12, that means you'll be level eight before you got to sneak attack bonus and monsters will be stronger due you being an early endgame roughly or the ending of midgame. So this is just me theory crafting that the stealth bonus damage on your opener will be more beneficial at 6 then waiting to get your two attacks and then going to get your bonus. 9/3 or maybe 8/4 is probably still the final build but the question is when do optimally Branch off. Also I think getting the rogue skillset earlier might open up more options in the game.
I'm a wizard for life, so that's what my character will be. However, I recently had a playthrough where I created another custom character alongside my wizard and that character was a ranger. And OH MY, was I happy with having one in my party! I specced him into archery and I'd take him over Astarion any day. The sheer precision and reliability of the class (especially once he gets double attack) plus the extra benefit of utility spells makes him a perfect low maintenance turret I can always rely on. On the other hand, rogues are great, but they're kind of forced into melee to make use of all their actions, which means you also end up with them getting wailed on by the baddies
gloomstalker assassin deep gnomes with a bow exterminate whole encounters before they can even do anything, I'm glad they added assassin and gloomstalkers as their third subclass for some gameplay variation!
Why deep gnomes and not wood elve?
These class comparison videos are extremely helpful and informative. As someone who is holding off and waiting for the official release before playing, this has help clarify what and how i would like to play as. Thank you Fextra!
As someone who has learned alot of the basics from the early access , information about useful multiclass options is really valuable , for instance you mentioning using the thief subclass to get a extra bonus action was not something I had really considered and I might even consider it for say my barbarian at higher levels
If I'm not wrong, plenty of classes get extra actions - fighters as well, and that might mesh better with your barb. Not 100% though.
@@enkidu2562 Do you mean "Action surge" on 2-th or an extra attacks on the 5-th and 11-th level for fighters? Most martial classes get the extra attacks on 5-th lvl, but I'd say the thief is quite unique for getting the 2-d bonus action. That would make mix with berserker quite good
@@natereaver5754 ah, I see - my bad then, didn't know what I was talking about. :>
@@enkidu2562 It's totally fine, there is always something new to learn. Like dual wielding hand crossbows was something new to me yesterday :/ I guess I spend more time going through wikies than playing the actual game, lol
Do not sleep on the Thief Rogue. I just finished an *essentially solo Early Access run using my Thief, and having 2 bonus actions makes for amazing stealth and dash opportunities. I could easily maneuver to enemy blind spots to sneak attack them and stealth back into the shadows. You don’t need a high amount of HP or heavy armor if you never get hit!
And if I did get into a tight spot, I could dash 3 times in a single round to gain distance and reset a fight. Even just having a second opportunity to stealth if the first attempt failed was huge!
Strongly considering a Thief for my Dark Urge play through just because of how solo capable it felt.
* I say “essentially solo” above as the only companion I kept around for my EA run was Gale, and that’s just so I could park him in front of a vendor and instantly send loot to him to sell while my Thief kept murdering.
I've been trying to read up on race and classes on dndbeyond and it's helpful to even get an idea of what the primary stats tend to be and also understand the upgrades and what-not for each level but these videos are invaluable in terms of understanding synergies and all that. I was thinking on multi-classing monk with one of these classes but anyway, I appreciated the good work that you are putting in. Thank you.
Appreciate the combining of somewhat associated classes for easier comparison.
Vey thoughtful. Appreciate the consideration.
This is a perfect side-by-side comparison. These are my two favorite classes. I'll be playing this game for the rest of my life, so I'm sure I'll do a full playthrough with each class, and then try some multiclassing.
Same lol. I'm going to be playing this game off and on for at least the next two decades, probably more.
Long-term 5e user here. Def going 5 Gloomstalker/5 assassin/2 trickery domain. Stealth God incoming💪🏻
The damage out put of hunters mark, extra attack long bow, gloomstalker initial bonus, assassin, and sneak attack is insane.
Adding two levels of trickery domain can always allow advantage on stealth, and a little charisma flare for duplicity. If you're considering the infiltrator roll in your group, try this multiclass out.
2 trickery domain means rogue trickery?
The advantage with stealth for rangers is only significant if you don't have Shadowheart in your party though. Cause if she's in, your rogue will be nearly invisible with all the bonuses she brings to stealth.
Great video. This is exactly the level of detail I want on the classes.
These videos are dope my guy. Keep them up! Loving the BG3 content
I'm definitely planning on making Astarion a Thief/Shadow Monk multiclass. I find the monk to be a great way to simulate vampire strength and speed, and that extra bonus action from thief works SO well with the monk's bonus actions!
Ditto that for me, but I might to monk/ranger for the tactical synergies if it works better
@@cadesummers5866 What synergies? I haven't looked much into ranger
@@AndreyKrichevsky They will both use wisdom for spells along with perhaps some dex. Additionally the Shadow monk subclass should have some good repositioning tools and steal synergies. I've watched an insane amount of aestus_rpg and he goes into a lot of it in his videos.
Awesome - This was the exact question I was asking myself, so thank you for the video!
Fantastic! I have been debating playing Rouge or Ranger or Warlock in that order .. I figured I'd end up multi classing Rouge Ranger. Can't wait to see your Warlock video
I really enjoyed this video and it answered a lot of my questions. I've been wavering between Ranger and rogue as my first character and this really helped. I've always loved Ranger characters and Gloomstalker sealed the deal. Thank you.
Awesome, thanks very much, very clear explanation, also thanks for the wiki pages that you put up for BG3, I have found them to be very helpful. :D
It's funny how all this seems common knowledge when you play the ttrpg. You forget that it isn't. Another banger video as always.
This comparison was exactly what I was struggling with thank you!
Loved the format, really helped me make my mind, hope to see more of such videos 👍
Still planning on making my Slasher build and this helped. Going to be a Gloomstalker/Shadow monk. Was having a hell of a time trying to choose stalker or assassin. Thx for the great vid
I would like to see a video on the concept of multiclassing, explaining the basics, and how you can do it in-game, how you can respec etc...
I wanted to play an assassination like build like im playing rn in divinity original sin 2, and i see so much cool stuff you could do with multiclassing both of these
And stealth works much better in BG3 than it did in Div2, i love the game but the stealth was just almost always pointless xD
Now we can make big opening hits ;3
@erickchristensen746 fr tho😭 I was like, it's gonna be so cool to come up behind somebody and one shot them and then go invisible and switch to a bow, but I ain't ever used sneak other than to pickpocket. That's all it's good for most the time
@@erickchristensen746 Agreed, I never used sneak once in combat. I only ever used it out of combat to steal stuff in towns and pickpocket people.
You have come a loooong way. I was watching your divinity sin videos. 😂😅 talking about monotone reading bulletins from a script. Congrats on all the success!!
The comparison is VERY useful, points out many things I would have missed in separate class guide videos
This might've convinced me to play Gloomstalker/Assassin multiclass. Specifically 8 Gloomstalker/4 Assassin: after hitting lvl 5 Gloomstalker to get Extra Attack and lvl 2 spells (most notably Pass Without Trace), get your 4 levels of Assassin and pick up that juicy Assassinate feature as well as Expertise/Sneak Attack, then finish leveling in Gloomstalker. Since the split is 8/4 you won't miss any ASIs or Feats, you'll just get your second one slightly late. You don't get lvl 3 spells, but you do insane burst damage on 1st rounds and have a lot of firepower both in and out of stealth.
Dexterity focus ranger with Longbow 6 level Champion Fighter/3 level Gloom Stalker Ranger/3 level Assassin Rogue. If you surprise enemy you have 3 attacks. Action Surge, 2 more attacks all with crits. If you have haste its 6 attacks. Hunter's Mark as Bonus action + Sharpshooter feat.
Gloomstalker to lvl 5 then MC into Rogue.
Assassin I think.
@@DekuDude That will do more damage for sure.
But Trickster gives access to so many cool spells that it'll make the moments between combat much more fun.
Plus the game didn't seem hard at all in EA so I think I can live without the extra damage.
Im planning on Dragonborn Sorlock Storm Sorcery....If Draconic I wouldn't know which color to pick.since so many enemies in game are fire based you'd assume they would be fire resistance as well.I think I would be tempted to use Blue for lighting since this might very effective in combat....I know Storm Sorcery may be more Thunder and Lighting spells orientated.Any thoughts?
Keep up with those vids… because of Baldurs Gate 1 I build my first pc. So bg3 is a dream come true. I consume every little piece of content like candy. 🤩
i just couldn't get over how much damage sneak attack does especially the ranged version. it's great for downing casters quickly. It's even great against bosses. I'm considering playing rogue basically just for ranged sneak attack, it's so good.
newbie question: whats the point of arcane trickster if sneak attack is so good and u cant do cantrip+sneak attack
@@Lutasiren You can use spells for sneak attack bonus, the spell in question just has to be an "Attack Roll" not a saving throw.
@@erickchristensen746 really? that means lv11 rogue's fire bolt can do 3d10+6d6?
I liked the compare and contrast you did in this video. Having this done in one vid help clear up some questions I had. Thank you.
Id like to see a Barbarian/Fighter video. I am sure you'd get to it eventually. I am really interested in how those two can multiclass for possibly the ultimate tank build. But this was very insightful did not expect Ranger to be so versatile.
Barb/Druid is your ultimate tank build. Barb/Fighter is more about hulksmash.
My plan, with no clue about the game, is a Bard.
I just love to talk me out of Situations and think Bards should be at least decent at that and support the Rest of the party in case of figthing.
Very good video. I was thinking about this for a year.
Love this video idea. Can’t wait to see more.
Earlier a person mentioned beginner, intermediate, etc. guides. Perhaps in some of the advanced guides you might mention which glasses mesh, starting ones and when to change. Respecing will make when to switch a little less important. As always, thank you for the hard work
Would love to hear about the warlock with pact of the blade
Once again, you have the best content for every game i play. Well done and thank you
Hmm.I always try to play either Rogue or Ranger so the idea is to multiclass at least one of them. Rogue Thief/Ranger Beastmaster with heavy armor proficiency and dual wielding seems weirdly appealing to me. Or maybe Rogue Thief/Bard College of swords for my sneaky support and charm main character. Another idea is Ranger Beastmaster/Druid Wild shape to embrace my wild nature? Will probably restart the act 1 a couple times untill I decide what feels best for me.
Great idea! This kind of video is very useful because for casual D&D players, all these choices could be overwhelming because of so many possibilities.
Can't wait for another video.
I want to thank you for these videos. Im 35 and just getting into anything related to dnd. I know its nothing like the same but i was a huge fan of dragon age origins and this game reminds me of that, which i loved when i was in my early 20's. Played a little bg3 as a Warlock but have decided to do a full playthrough as a Ranger thanks to this video. This game is next level.
i think this is a great idea for a video series fextralife please keep making it :)
For any DnD newbies, if you are going for a ranger archer type of build. Dex fighter is also very good. They get a second attack and action surge so you can use your two attacks all in the same turn which is 4 ranged attacks and if you take sharpshooter feat at level 4. You essentially become an arrow turret.
If you want more spice go champion subclass so you crit on 19+ and if you go Halfling you reroll 1s. So your crit chance goes up drastically in comparison to other builds.
@@1CaptainFunk1Oh hell nah
Champion Fighter is actually the worst Subclass in the entire game
Crit Fishing in general is super bad
Unless you are Assassin Rogue, they are the only good Crit Fisher
Also, Ranger is better than Fighter because they have spells, not just Archery
You are saying it like "Paladin bad class because i cant swing my sword" when the entire reason why Paladins are great not just for Smiting, but utility spells
@@RenoKyrie ok
Thief3/Paladin so you can cast another BA smite spell to smite on. Thief3/Sorcerer for additional quickened spell. Im curious to see if the Tepest cleric's 6th lvl ability that lets them push a large or smaller creature any time they deal lighting damage works in BG3. With the Sparky set you can find in the early access, that's a lot of pushes and this game rewards that. Looking forward to more from you all!!!
Nice idea for the paladin, what would you say about the thief mix with berserker's frenzied strike?
Beastmaster is underappreciated. Bore has rage. So it has barbarian resistances..plus frenzy strike. So boar hp is effectively doubled and has two attacks. Ranger also has two attacks. 4 attacks per round and a ton of hp
Makes me wonder if Druid will get a boar or giant boar with similar abilities
@@erickchristensen746 as of early access the druids forms are weaker then ranger companions. With boar charge i actually got 6 hits in one round before. Its crazy. Beastmaster was always considered one of the weakest classes in the game, and larian really beefed it up. Its not broken. Any full spellcaster can do more damage in a round, but beastmaster can do steady damage all day with no resting
loving the class videos giving a different prospective. As for future vids I'ld like to see paladin vs cleric. Keep up the great work
Really enjoyed the video! I appreciate how you went into detail with some of the abilities and how they could potentially help players. In the future I'd appreciate videos on spells and spell explanations. Not so much on when they become available but when and how they'll be useful when used in game. I understand that many spells haven't been seen/used but I'd appreciate theory videos if nothing else. :)
Cant wait to see some custom multiclassed builds from you. Personally, im going for a blue lightning-based Dragonborn with Draconic Bloodline and Tempest Cleric
I was thinking about the lightening based draconian sorcerer with the tempest cleric too. Do you know if the armor class bonus with the draconic stacks with regular armor?
@@parabiology1014 As far as I know, its only with clothing/robes, not for medium or heavy armor.
@@battlefieldpro12345 - that’s how I was reading it too, based on description, but I was hoping I was wrong 🤷♂️ 🤦♂️. Would be GREAT AC if you could keep the bonus!
Id like to see cleric/pally possibilities, then ranger druid, rogue/druid, fighter/cleric, fighter/druid. All before launch!!
The thought of a rogue/paladin tiefling making four attacks in a turn utilizing duel wield, and then having multiple smites to pump sounds like a delicious critical fishing build.
I want to go with the gloom stalker on my first play through which will probably last a year lol. But I’m pretty sure that’s the route. I will take as far as my kind of style is concerned, and this video helped with narrowing that down.
So a stealth ranger distance now style is what I’m going for. Not really planning on multi classing as instinctively, I don’t want to lose access to those Max high tier level cat skill capabilities however, rogue is obviously a strong candidate with stealth aspects so mixing the two seems like a very viable route to take.
In any case, at least this video helped to give me some clarity on those two areas as far as a Ranger and rogue is concerned
I’m also very interested in the sorcerer and warlock. Again my instinct is not to multi class because of fear of losing those higher tier capabilities at level cap. I’ll do it where it seems viable but otherwise I want to go into a class completely to fully maximize its potential. So I’m looking forward to your next video in regards to those classes in better understanding the difference is there
I guess the multiclassing could be more powerful in the midgame, and you always can respec If you don't like how it went
@@natereaver5754 that’s fair
That's freaking amazing. It's like you read my mind. Thank you for these videos
great video... I've been thinking more about party synergy. Do I need a healer, do I need to bring a thief for disarming and lockpicking (and even stealing an weapon from a vendor), etc... I wish the party size was 5 instead of 4
One thing to add, with the completely re balanced strength in BG3, its best not to auto think its a dump stat for everyone except maybe, maybe, a barbarian. In fact, I jammed through alot of early access as a strength based ranger beast master and I actually had a blast doing it. You might be able to do the same for rogue too, but I havent tested that. Food for thought.
I agree. I was shocked when I noticed a lot of online players building characters with Strength as their dump stat. Seemed so weird to me. I like strong characters!
well early access was all about strength because better melee weapons and no sharpshooter/cross bow expert feats. gloom stalker going pew pew from the shadows will swap the meta
@1973scotta funny that as I did get to testing strength rogue last night. My barbarian, Thief rogue will be saying hi on release in a very non memey, actually Hella solid way to that gloom stalker.
Don't get it twisted, I ain't trying to suggest that the meta will be different, I am hoping that the meta is simply dead. Metas existing in any game is simply a lack of balancing and/or imagination.
@@liberalideas8224 berserker thief will make a brutal bg3 damage dealer, tank, mobile and stealthy when needed. If all these bonus actions are allowed to stack it will be the one that cleans up whatever lived through the gloomstalker attacks that went first.
Honestly I have been debating these two classes for BG3 for over a year now. Still don’t know which way I’m going to go in the end but leaning towards gloom stalker ranger for the first 5 levels and then maybe either multi class with assassin or keep to the gloom stalker. Hope they are as fun as I expect them to be. Have been avoiding the early access as I only play games once.
Maybe you should play this game more than once, there's so much replayability in it from what I've seen.
@@ThwipThwipBoom your right. But I have a few hard rules with games. First I’m 38 and have two kids and a full time job. Don’t have infinite hours to game. Second life is a little too short to replay a game when there are so many games out there to experience. Have never replayed a game since I was a child. There are too many good games to play to waste another 200 or so hours replaying the same game. Got Starfield a month after BG3 then the expansion to cyberpunk a month later. Either way I’ll do a full play through trying to miss as little as possible, then move on to the next game.
@@arch173ct Fair enough. Honestly though, Starfield is likely to be a buggy mess and Todd Howard is known to exaggerate things so odds are you'll get lucky and Starfield will be a broken mid game at launch and you'll get to have a game out of your backlog.
@@ThwipThwipBoom 😂 I have played all of Bethesda games going back to morrowind on day one and I totally mirror your opinion. But at this point that’s kinda the charm of a Bethesda game. Though I do believe they delayed it long enough to at least be playable. Either way can’t wait for BD3 and sinking my entire 3 weeks of summer holidays into only that! Well and family :)
@@arch173ct Agreed. I grew up playing Fallout 3 and New Vegas (650+ hours in those 2 combined probably). I freaking loved playing Fallout 4 and Skyrim in my teenage and college years (200+ hours in each). However I'm well aware of how far Bethesda has fallen since Fallout 4 so I've tempered my expectations for Starfield and am being realistic with how it's probably going to be quality wise.
Although I do hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be a masterpiece. 🙏
I understand it may make little sense to do 2 rogue ones after each other, but I'm really stuck between assassin rogue and way of shadow monk. Possibly a rogue-monk comparison in future?
I find it so hard to choose, at first I thought I was thinking of ranger or druid, but now warlock, sorceror and rogue all joined my options haha
Choices man, choices! Only 4 open spots for party, 12 classes, tons of sub-classes, multi-classing, 8 known party members with more likely yet seen, magical item usage, skills, ability scores...
I love fat RPG's that give me this ♥
Excellent presentation. Depends on what part of the game interests you most for your main character..
I will be going Half-Elf Rogue (Thief)/ Fighter (Battlemaster) for my first build. I think it'll be a fun duel-wielding build.
Why not 5 ranger, 7 rogue. 2 attacks and 2 bonus actions with Thief. Would make really good duel wielder with sneak attack 4d6.
Hasted you can attack 6 times each turn :). 5times if using Huntersmark (5d6 extra dmg in this case). Though Figher / Thief duel-wielder will get 8 attacks on 1st round adding Action surge :D
Then there is Gloomstalker / assasin or the I always strike first build.
Interesting with 8 attacks. What do you prefer?
@@DekuDude Not sure which is better.
But I like options so 5 Battlemaster / 7 Thief them most? As Dex Duel-wielder. Manuevers, 2 attack per action, 2 bonus actions, Action Surge. You can do many different things with that.
Gloomstalker / Assasin is ultimate stealth character that is great in that 1 thing only. That might get boring in 200hr game.
Both are good. Astarion is gonna be my Gloomstalker/Thief. 5 in Ranger and 7 in Rogue.
P.S I know how strong Assassin is with Gloom but being able to use healing ward twice is so good.
His already quite tanky at lv 4, I got him wiping everything out lol. Imagine with ranger added in 🤣
Do you mean "healing word"? Why can you use it twice?
As a dnd player I really like to multi-class Sorcerer and Warlock so that you get sorcery points from Sorcerer (and natural armor if you're Draconic) and that you gain back spell slots on short rests from Warlock. Also thematic I like the idea of of having like a Demonic dragon as my patron/ancestor. It's a fun combo and since both use Charisma for spellcasting it melds togeather well. PLUS! With Charisma you also have some great dialogue options so you could be some deceptive dude or a performer perhaps? Again I love this multi-class. Sorcerer also have Wild Magic origin for sorcerer is always fun!
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Id say the real trick is to grab 3 levels in rogue or ranger and the remainder in the other.
They have very good synergies and I'd argue combining them is more potent than just going one. Though i think ranger 9 rogue 3 is the better because you get more armor and weapon proficiency and the all important extra attack at 5.
This is the decision I have been thinking about as I prepare for my first playthrough. Right now leaning towards Wood Elf Ranger, with of course Shadowheart and not sure who the other two companions will be.
Dont forget dual wielding hand crossbows. Gives rangers 2 main attacks and a offhand ranged each turn
Awesome video! I really like this vs format. Now I want to play as a Rogue after watching this. Looking forward to a vs video with spell casters too.
This was such an informative video. Really great idea to compare two or three classes together. Imo it gave a better perspective about the differences and similarities of these classes
Very useful approach!
I've been DMing in TTRPGs for half my life (16 years now) and I am DMing for 5th ed for about 5 years now. I have seen the 5lvl Gloodmstalker Ranger/ 5lvl Assassin Rogue in action in my DnD game and the character was a gamechanger, one man army. I was going to build a Gloomstalker/Assassin, but I wasn't sure if I would go ranger first or rogue first due to roleplay elements and environment interaction. Since there is a respec feature in the game (early on, as you said in a previous video), I will start with 5 lvls of rogue to succeed in some early game rolls and then respec him into a 5 lvls Ranger and multiclass into rogue from 6th level onwards. Thank you for the video.
Which early game rolls? Are there a lot of?
@@DekuDude I don't have anything specific in mind. I'm referring to traps and roleplay rolls.
@@Connie_Hakaseangers are a pretty big game changer in the hand of someone who knows to use the spells like Pass Without Trace stealth or Spike Growth Shutdown, the Archery just make them not useless when their spell slots ran out or is allready concentrating on a spell, treat them like Paladin where their Spells actually what sells the class
Hunters Mark and Ensnaring Strike encourage bad gameplay since while yes, Hunters Mark is good against Legendary resistance enemy, but what about when you are getting attack by 8 Wolfs who can kill you with Pack Tactics?
Fog Cloud the party and make them stay still, Pack Tactics will not work for the Wolfs and instead both the party and Wolfes roll on Neutral Advantage(The Fog is Heavily Obscured enviroment and being inside it cause the Blinded condition where they roll disadvantage for attacks but attacking them is on advantage, since Advantages and Disdavantages dont stack the attack roll is on Neutral, Except if someone has Blind Sight then that attacker rolls on Advantage while the attacker on the Blind Sight is on Disadvantage or neutral if they have any way to gain advantage like Pack Tactics but get disabled anyway since blinded, also True Sight doesnt work on Fog Cloud since its a Conjuration not Illusion)
Summoning 8 Animals with Conjure Animals is INCREDIBLY powerfull, thats free meat shields and 8 extra attacks
And you can get guess what, 8 Wolves or 8 Velociraptors who has Pack Tactics
Very useful - thanks. Definitely sticking with rogue. I like my main character to be the one that interacts with the world. That leads me to rogue. I might dual class to fighter at some point.
Another thought is Rogue/Bard. Not sure if that is allowed
My first 5e character was a Blue Dragonborn, Rogue Assassin. So happy that I'll be able to recreate and bring to life something so dear to me.
that "pass without trace" ability is so cool!
This is great! Looking forward to a Wizard V Sorceror be.
Gloom stalker is probably why variant human did not make it into the game on release.
There are a lot of strong builds in dnd, and then there is variant human gloom stalker. 🙂 Coming FULLY online at only level 5 - leaving you with a huge space for all kinds of awesome options.
At 5, you fight in the dark (easy advantage) you can do some silly damage. If you hit on everything you are looking at close to 100 damage in a single turn. That is before we start adding magical items into the mix here.
It’s like you read my mind - a question that has been tormenting me for a queen while
Reliable talent at lvl 11 will be huge for rogue also. Not sure if you mentioned. I'll be doing skilled feat at lvl 10 and have 11 skills with lowest roll being 10 at lvl 11. So much utility outside of combat.
And these two make great multiclass dips into each other
I think I’m goin for a monk/ranger multi. 8/4 in each. Really lookin forward to it
Would be nice to see more videos to compare classes with the same role : for example one video on wizards warlocks and sorcerers for the mage archetype, or another one on barbarians fighters and paladin for the melee archetype, and perhaps doing a comparison on witch one is the best for tanking, witch one is better as a bruiser etc
I think ranger/rogue will be multi-classed a lot. I think it would be helpful for you to explain the order in which to gain levels. Should i start as a rogue for the extra skill(s) and expertise, or should i go ranger 5 for 2 attacks and then 7 levels of rogue?
Ranger 5 (Gloomstalker) first for extra attack, then 4 rogue for the subclass (Assassin) and feat/asi, then I'd go ranger for the rest to pick up spell slots. Alternately, you can work in fighter 2 after the rogue levels for an extra fighting style and action surge to really have explosive first rounds of combat
@@johnramey9828 Thanks for the assist! The more i think of rogue subclasses i start to wonder if thief does may be better. DnD 5e does not give 2 bonus actions. I am wondering if any feats would allow a ranged ranger/rogue to use bonus actions for extra attacks (like 2 weapon fighting does).
@namelessdrifter651 crossbow expert allows for a bonus action extra attack. I don't know if that'll stack with thief, then add in sharpshooter for some real big damage
I've played Thief and both specs of Ranger in patch 9 and I can definitely say Ranger outshines the Rogue in damage (in EA at a minimum). What Rogues really need at lvl 5 is the extra attack (in addition to the bonus attack they get at lvl 3), not the current non half working damage reduction perk.
Also if you play Beast Master Ranger, it's like getting 3 main attacks at lvl 5 the dire raven was hitting enemies for around 20 dmg, the pet dmg scales by lvl. Add in the extra survivability of the Ranger, no tricks being required to do max damage, and being able to just sit safely at range, there's no purpose to the thief that any other melee class doesn't already do better. I would say 2H Oathbreaker Paladin slaps way harder that Thief does, all while having heavy armor, decent buffs/debuffs, and heals.
Just a side note... one that helps with multiclassing massively via rogue... Sneak attack does not need to be piercing.. nor does it need finesse weapons. When they do a sneak attack, that bonus matched the weapon's damage type... so a strength based character can, yes, do sneak damage bonus with a maul, and their 20 strength, for example.
Yes, a strength based rogue is possible for some aspects of their usual role, so long as you can find ways of doing what stealth does... and gettiing them advantage.
...picking locks via hammer (wont work on all doors!) ...disarming traps (floor based) via barrelmancy... sure, str is possible... not ideal but... hilariously, possible.
very timely video. Well done. Helped me out!