"Too Shameful to Relate": Comanches Outrage Mrs. Martha Sherman, Near Weatherford, Texas in 1860
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- In this episode we read a story from "Indian Depredations in Texas," a Comanche attack that occurred in Parker and Palo Pinto counties in the Fall of 1860.
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So many view Indians, as a whole, as peace loving children of nature and the earth when, in truth, most every tribe was war-like at heart and commited the most heinous atrocities against both settlers and members of other tribes.
This is so true.
While it's true that all people groups commit atrocities, none have been either glossed over or "justified" by authors and others more than those committed by Native Americans, "defending their homelands" which they seized by violence from other Natives. While I admire their culture (excepting the violence) and abhor their treatment after their defeat by the Europeans, I believe that history should always be told straight.
It is a mistake to paint all peoples with the same brush, especially considering how many different tribes there were, and how different they were from one another.
The truth is that the history of humankind is a history of brutality. We live in an extraordinary era, because in the past war and brutality were simple facts of life for pretty much everyone of every race in every society, whereas today a great number of people live in peace, and think that is "the norm."
Native Americans weren't angels, but neither were white settlers. Everyone is flawed, no one is perfect, and it is best to judge the merits of any given person based on that person alone, and not their race.
Yup, so sick of hearing these indoctrinated commie college kids say we're on stolen land and that we committed genocide. They fail to realize then most if not all the first settlers here were pacifists. It was always the natives committing the first acts of violence going all the way back to when Columbus landed in the Caribbean and people chose to winter over there and were promised peace and safety. They were slaughtered and cannibalized.They're lucky to be standing on "stolen" land.
Ten thousand years of tribes constantly warring and enslaving each other for land esources Is in the most brutal fashion. Yet somehow the most humane get all the blame.
Atrocities? Depredations? Really? This land was the home of millions of Indigenous People, not Indians, not Savages, but Indigenous: they were here for millennium before European Colonialism, this was their land. The white settlers were thieves, they were trespassers, they were criminals. In most cases the lands fought over were given to the Indians by the government under treaty, these whites were in violation of the treaty by their mere presence. The Indians were at war, they were fighting for their very survival and being at war they were fighting to win. You win wars by killing more of the enemy than they can of you. You win wars by destroying the enemies will to wage war. You don't win by making friends or attempting to win the enemies hearts and minds.
You want me to shed tears for white folks killed by Indians? You want me to feel sorry for those left homeless and destitute by Indian raids? Hell will freeze over before I weep for the colonizers who murdered millions of my kinsmen. It is estimated that the indigenous population of North America was over 5.5 million at the time of European contact, by the end of the 19th century at the end of the coast to coast expansion of the country and the last 'Indian War' there were less than 250,000. If you live in the United States and you are not of Indigenous heritage you are a thief, you are a colonizer, you have blood on your hands.
There was good reason these tribes were called savages.
Not able to think for yourself. How sad.
It is sickening to know that this savagery still happens even today all over the world.
The Comanches were the fire ants of Texas Indian tribes. They terribly oppressed the Apaches and other tribes.
This is true, they lived by trading, raiding and warfare.
They remind me of the Zulus of south so warlike and organised ended up with a massive expance of territory !
The rest of the tribes called the Commanche and Apache as the dirty uncivilized tribes, that had practically no culture but a warring one. They were different than the other tribes, they originally came out of Mexico.
The savagery they did to that poor heavily pregnant woman was horrendous and then left her to die a slow agonising death.
It's all good bruh it's just their "way of life"
In this case Native Americans need to right their wrongs. They have only a litany of all the awful things done to them which they have never dropped. @@privateprivate5928
@mineralmerchant00
Don't say bro..
Grow up. Have a moral compass.
Not just say, Their way of life.
There's right and wrong.
Not everything is relative.
The myth of noble savages is just that myth. Reality was much different.
The Comanche were probably the most savage and brutal tribe in all of N. America except the Aztecs. Just ask the Apache, the Spanish, the Texans and everyone else that ventured into their territory as you can see here.
This is true. There are few redeeming qualities with that tribe.
Indeed
I believe you are correct , in that the Comanche were the most brutal of Indian tribes . I am from Oregon { 70 yrs old } and when I was in school , 7th & 8th grade , we studied this very topic , as in which of the Indian tribes were the most brutal to their enemy . I remember the Apache , which the Comanche are part of , were the worst . Then they told us that the Nez Pierce of Oregon would be an excellent choice for 2nd place . Whether that is true or not I do not know , it is only what I was taught . Sure would be fun to visit those days with a few m-4s , a few m-60 saws , etc ,. and especially to show up just before Mrs. Sherman was abducted . Poor woman ,, God rest her soul
I think the Comanches make the Aztecs look like a walk in the park.
The Blackfoot weren’t no slouch in that department either. It seems,also, the Apache learned from their enemies too.😄
Since these Native American Indian tribes were living basically like Stone Age people when the Europeans arrived, it makes me wonder how far they would have advanced by now if no Europeans had ever come to America.
I'm sure they would of continued their unique "way of life" for quite a while longer. It would make for a very interesting historical fiction story though.
Read up on the Cherokee or Iroquois nations.
They had just as much more resources, and land than Europe. They were not isolated. They had from Canada to South America to trade with. Europe was blocked from trading for a very long time by Muslims, and yet Europe still advanced . Thanks to the crusades and the Jews moving to Europe . Europe was able to advance much faster. Native American religions and way of life would keep them from advancing.
@@jerrygoller4269 I have and I don't see where they were really further advanced than the others.
They wouldn’t exist if Europeans wouldn’t have came here and founded America,,,, because back in those days if the Chinese would have came here and ruled, their MO was to wipe out all inhabitants of concqured lands and send their people in their place.
I for one am very grateful that Europeans got the New World lands. The Asians who became the many "indigenous people" had barbaric customs in many tribes. It was best for everyone that they lost most of their territory. A very politically incorrect thing to say., Yes, i know. They were all stone age technology level. They greatly valued horses, metal, cloth, cookware, and decorative beads., Because these things made their lives much easier. Their squaws had been doing most of the hard work for centuries. Women were definitely second class with most Indians. Many of the tribes hated one another
What happened to poor Mrs. Sherman [unfortunate name], and a lot of other white women, makes sense of John Wayne's character, Ethan, in the film "The Searchers".
AJ Sowel is another 1800’s author who documented settlers lives and Indian depredations taken from the survivors and family. Great reading, it was a hard time to be alive.
Not really, only if you purposely chose to settle in dangerous areas. Stuff like this was mostly easily avoidable.
@@Serjo777 Even if they weren’t under Comanche threat life was not easy for people living in the 1800s, especially if they were not city dwellers. A good example of this was Laura Ingalls Wilder’s family (famous from the Little House on The Prairie books and tv show) who struggled every day for survival. People had to be hearty and resourceful and they worked from dawn until dusk just to get by.
And that’s just one example… of which there are many more.
I don't like censorship.
good to know
Agreed. I didn't learn anything from this video, and the title "Indian Depredations" is misleading because no depredations - other than scalping - were mentioned.
@@deemikaAre you demented? They took a pregnant woman and did things to her they could not mention and what do you think that was? They shot arrows into her they beat her with sticks. Did you even watch the f ing video? Oh and the title isn't misleading that's the name of the book he's reading from written in the 1800s
@@deemikaThe word use is interesting.
Another excellent, if disturbing video
No wonder the settlers hated the Indians
Exactly!
lol, don't settle in others' lands and you won't have a reason to hate them for retaliating.
@@Serjo777 Atrocities against women and children does not constitute acceptable 'retaliation'. I suggest you read the uncensored version of this incident.
@@pimpompoom93726 You don't get to decide that for others. They did it, and it worked. Such actions regularly made sure tons of other settlers fled the area. Aside from that, Whites did the exact same thing.
@@Serjo777Such actions also regularly made sure that people lost any and all sympathy for the natives situation at that time.
Even in the UK in the 60's we heard about the savagery of red Indians, as they were then called. Disinformation now has them as wronged saintly victims.
Subbed.
Some, like the Cherokee, were land owners and had a highly developed structure and organization, some even more advanced than the religious fanatics that got kicked out of every European country and end up here. Others, like the Comanche, didn't take shit from anyone and scared the shit out of everyone, other American Indians included. The Mexicans were probably the worst.
I don’t think they taught that in school, because I remember being told natives were very friendly and very peaceful
I’m part of the American Boyer & the Dunwoody family of Berks county Pennsylvania. My family was one of those that bought land from William Penn. They were given those tracts of land as a buffer to keep the Indians away from Philadelphia. I’ve read actual accounts & heard family stories of Indian raids. They were big horse thieves & stole anything they could.
Never learned that in school & I attended in the 60’s & 70’s.
everything we're taught in school is a lie...but, thanks to the internet, there is a chance to uncover truth.
Just keep believing the government and we will all be fine.
Especially in Canada where indigenous people have never put a foot wrong.
Maybe they had no right to be there in the first place ? White entitlement never ceases to amaze me.
Lewis and Clark liked only the Mandans, according to a thorough book written by a former Gettysburg battlefield guide that I read a few years ago. Many Indians sided with Europeans against other indian tribes
Events like this is what created The Texas Rangers.
You might want to read up on their history, as well. They definitely did their share of atrocities.
@@jerrygoller4269Hmm, so did alot of Northerners, during the Civil War and immediately after.
But but!!...they were noble n stuff weren't they?😮
People typically aren't "noble" in the middle of warfare, while defending their land.
@@Serjo777 Even in war, there should be constraints on behavior towards women and children. 'Defending their land' does not justify torture, rape and murder.
@@pimpompoom93726 That was literally the norm in the _entirety of human history_ for every group of people ever. It has only been declared "unacceptable" maybe a few decades ago.
You might want to run that one by the U.S. Army of the time. Read up on Sand Creek and Wounded Knee as just a couple of examples. You might also read up on the American Civil War.
I grew up not too far from here. Fascinating.
Your channel is always worth my time. Thank you.
I'm amazed people had the courage, or foolhardiness, to settle in that part of Texas.
I could never wrap my mind around that either. Why would anyone settle in far away lands with no one around aside from their own family, when they know exactly that stuff like this is going on and there is nobody in the vicinity to help you?
It's the true definition of the word "pioneer".
@@Serjo777WHY do you feel the need to constantly comment, what I wonder? Are you of tribal heritage? Are you of Texas settler heritage? Are you even a citizen of the US?
@@01Lenda Is it any of your business? I don't think I have to justify myself for commenting on freakin' CZcams, lol.
I've been to old Fort Parker in Groesbeck TX. Worth the visit
Left wing history books will never repeat this
The opposite is true.
@@jannisaresNO, no, it is NOT.
Natives were very low on the span of human development, at 😮this time. It was a " cave man" society vs. modern human society. That poor woman, God rest her soul.
God didn't Protect her . . . ☆
Dig it your putting out more content. Excellent! Or at least it seems that way. Great historical content.
Just found your channel , love your content information and your presentation. Im a Texan too .
Thanks!
Thank you!
great vid!
EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It wasn't difficult to look up a more detailed and graphic account elsewhere on the net. The more graphic treatment spoken of was not unexpected. One thing that astonished me was that Ezra Sherman supposedly didn't even own any firearm while settled with his family out in the boondocks. Foresight could have anticipated a desperate fight for survival. What a horrifying account of that poor family.
Yup, if you are going to steal someone else's land, you might want to come heavily armed.
robertwguthrie,
You see this very same mindset today, "God will guide and protect us."
Simpletons . . . ☆
@@fjb4932 "In the day of prosperity be joyful, but in the day of adversity consider: God also hath set the one over against the other, to the end that man should find nothing after him." Ecclesiastes 7:14 KJV
Excellent presentations…
Imagine how things would be if the conquerors would of copied the Comanche model of dealing with the conquered when the conquering was over.
What makes you think we didn't?
@@jerrygoller4269 There is no historical evidence for it. But maybe you don't care you feel white man bad. lol
Typical wagon burner activity.
They even ate each other. A book called Man Corn details some of it.
@fredharvey2720 - that is a superb historical book; thanks for mentioning it!
5 dollars a month . I will just buy the book .
The books you'd want for the accounts in the longer video are "Goodbye to a River," by John Graves, and "The West Texas Frontier," by Joseph Carroll McConnel.
First, I LOVE your channel, and the amazing stories of perseverance and survival you share. It's really inspiring. Question though, when you say "actual history" (which I do not doubt), are you contrasting with other channels? Or do you believe history books for this period are watered down? Just curious.
I mean to contrast it with other history channels that don't play actual historical documentaries, but instead have shows about ancient aliens, picking through garage sale junk, searching for swamp monsters, bigfoot etc., or looking for treasure on one island for thirteen seasons.
@@unworthyhistoryexactly !
No dancing with wolves here, just the brutal truth.
Maybe you should change your channel name to Worthy History.@@unworthyhistory
Or extremely, narrowly focused with no inconvenient background history channel.
So evil.
Yeah, you had to cut the heck out of this one for yt. Your Patreon account of this story is much longer and quite graphic.
Unfortunately YT has bought into the censorship policy, anything that deviates from the 'Approved Narrative' is suppressed.
I'm from Weatherford.
That is exactly what society is about to fall back into
Enjoy the story. 😊
It is astounding to me that anyone, even hiding behind a a pseudonym, would come on to this comment section and rationalize the most brutal rape torture and murder of anyone. "Stealing land"? These settlers travelled thousands if not tens of thousands of miles and endured many hardships to find a peaceful EMPTY spot where they could build a home and farm, only to be attacked by marauding nomadic savages bent on torture, murder and theivery. To believe any actions were taken to displace natives just doesn't pass the smell test. You think a settler family would intentionally set up a farmstead where they see the area is already populated by natives? I've read extensively on the subject of North American history and encounters between settlers and natives , and any aggressive action taken against natives has always been in retaliation to incidents like the one covered in this Unworthy History episode. The term shameful is appropriate not only to those savages, but to those who not only rationalize but advocate their barbaric behavior.
It wasn't "EMPTY" It was my people's home.
Depredations? Really? This land was the home of millions of Indigenous People, not Indians, not Savages, but Indigenous: they were here for millennium before European Colonialism, this was their land. The white settlers were thieves, they were trespassers, they were criminals. In most cases the lands fought over were given to the Indians by the government under treaty, these whites were in violation of the treaty by their mere presence. The Indians were at war, they were fighting for their very survival and being at war they were fighting to win. You win wars by killing more of the enemy than they can of you. You win wars by destroying the enemies will to wage war. You don't win by making friends or attempting to win the enemies hearts and minds.
You want me to shed tears for white folks killed by Indians? You want me to feel sorry for those left homeless and destitute by Indian raids? Hell will freeze over before I weep for the colonizers who murdered millions of my kinsmen. It is estimated that the indigenous population of North America was over 5.5 million at the time of European contact, by the end of the 19th century at the end of the coast to coast expansion of the country and the last 'Indian War' there were less than 250,000. If you live in the United States and you are not of Indigenous heritage you are a thief, you are a colonizer, you have blood on your hands.
Both sides committed atrocities in this culture vs culture war, trying to portray either sides as composed only of peaceful and well-meaning individuals is an affront to history. Unfortunately, in this kind of war the brutes swim to the surface and take over-as in this case. I hope these Comanches were hunted down and held to accounts for their crimes, but they probably weren't.
@@pimpompoom93726 well it only made the very religous europeans more convinced we were Gods chosen over an expendable savage people> ethnic cleansing , most races are guilty .
the Comanche too who near wiped out the Apache pushing survivors into the most inhabital land .
I read in the book The Flintlock and Tommahawk an account from a British officer .
During the American revolution British soldiers allied with Indians tribes went to battle the Americans
Ruddels fort surrendered .white flag . .. as soon as the gates opened warriors ran into the fort and started tommahawking a dozen people , one Indian grabbed the baby from Mrs Ruddels breast and through it into the fire !
The forts could not be defended from canon fire fort after fort soon surrendered . But because of the uncontrollable Indian savaragery towards the huge number of American POWs The British officer called off the campaign, so the Indians could've regained all that land but they FU !
Nothing was stolen it was conquered, a concept the natives fully understood.
@@mineralmerchant00 So you'd be fine then with random people coming to your house, mur der in g everyone in it, including you, and taking it for themselves, as long as they made sure to call that act "conquering"?
Some of the pictures of frontier women look rough, she is pretty like a Gunsmoke woman
In this case I'd just as soon skip more graphic details.
It was just their culture, or so we are told.
Just their lovely "way of life".
rt3box6tx74,
Ignorance is bliss, you wish to remain blissful. Good on you, mate. ☆
@@fjb4932 Of course darling, you're the expert on the igno thingie. 😘
So glad we won
Can't find it on Patreon
Read that book years ago. The man that wrote it lived and wrote only a few years
Or at the same time these things were happening.
I did not live then. I cannot judge what happened then. I have read about South American Indians
That became Christian telling how they had constant blood feuds with other tribes and were afraid to sleep at night.
Never ending retribution .
Kinda sounds like our great civelatizons now doesn’t it? Black on white , hating your neighbor.
Ever since Cane and Able. Wanting what someone else has or just hating then for no reason.
I lived in mineral wells not far from palaPinto
Tried to join patron. Couldn't
Folks , a good detail research into the historical time lines of the European invasion both in what is now Mexico and the American colonies of East coasts settlements. May give one with an open mind another view of the same brutality administered upon the indegious population. Over 100 million genocided. Many indigenous women suffered the same fate at the hands of soilders, clergy, and others who stole the lands and / or possessions of the native peoples.
Brutality is never right no matter who committs these acts.
Semper fi folks.
With all the atrocities that still take place around the world... will we humans ever stop doing these things to each other?
Source? Like could you name an actual source or just "modern scholarship"? lol
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Maybe those "Indian depredations" wouldn't have happened if others stayed off of their land 🤔
Boooo! Cod justice tripe. There is no such thing as 'native American.' All persons migrated from somewhere else.
The only way you could consider Texas "Comanche land," would be to recognize the Comanche as the conquerors of Texas. If conquest is a legitimate way to obtain territory, then fair is fair, right?
The Comanche were very warlike, and waged war on other Native peoples with great ferocity, conquering many lands. I actually don't think they ever conquered all of Texas, although they tried. Later, they went after the Apache in Mexico.
Native American tribes were warring with one another long before white settlers arrived, and the land that is now America had changed hands several times before Europeans arrived. Conquest was nothing new in America, although the Europeans proved to be especially good at it.
@@texasnewt our creation history tells us that we have been here on Turtle Island from the beginning. This wasn't empty land waiting for someone to live on it. My People were already here, they were living on this land.
This land was the home of millions of Indigenous People, not Indians, not Savages, but Indigenous: they were here for millennium before European Colonialism, this was their land. The white settlers were thieves, they were trespassers, they were criminals. In most cases the lands fought over were given to the Indians by the government under treaty, these whites were in violation of the treaty by their mere presence. The Indians were at war, they were fighting for their very survival and being at war they were fighting to win. You win wars by killing more of the enemy than they can of you. You win wars by destroying the enemies will to wage war. You don't win by making friends or attempting to win the enemies hearts and minds.
You want me to shed tears for white folks killed by Indians? You want me to feel sorry for those left homeless and destitute by Indian raids? Hell will freeze over before I weep for the colonizers who murdered millions of my kinsmen. It is estimated that the indigenous population of North America was over 5.5 million at the time of European contact, by the end of the 19th century at the end of the coast to coast expansion of the country and the last 'Indian War' there were less than 250,000. If you live in the United States and you are not of Indigenous heritage you are a thief, you are a colonizer, you have blood on your hands.
@@myblacklab7 very good at it, they used lots of tools, murder, rape, enslavement, thievery, fraud, forced assimilation, and when all else failed they resorted to religion.
Everywhere the white christian man has gone death and destruction follows.
@@texasnewt and the Commanche predated the European interloper by a few thousand years. Your point is?
However barbarian and Savage what happened to that woman....... Please I want a scholarly answer to my question : was it " Indian" territory and what did the Settlers and the Military did to the Comanche before ????
What is shameful is the extermination of the native Americans by the imperialistic Americans!
History is written by the Victors... The atrocities upon both side is abhorrent... not unlike Gaza too Israel. Only deciding factor of guilt or innocence is what side of the fence you reside. Columbus in 1492 sailing the ocean blue...🤔
Booo! False political analogy!👎
@@texasnewt Thanks TX Sal Amander...🦎
Is that why everyone in America loves Columbus, and thinks that Native Americans were vicious monsters?
What you say doesn't match reality. Crimes against Native Americans are exaggerated, and crimes committed by Native Americans are swept under the rug.
Atrocities were committed by all sides, and should be regarded as atrocities by all sides. There should be no 'side of the fence' justification for behavior like this or you become a criminal enabler. As for the Comanche, they lived by trading, raiding and warfare long before the Europeans arrived.They were not known as a 'Civilized Tribe' like the Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Muscogee (Creek), and Seminoles-and certainly not regarded as such by their native Americans neighbors.
@@pimpompoom93726 As being of Apache/German ancestry...🪶 a prior WWI thing, I might have a certain interest... even could qualify for government benefit but not Tribe Membership which is depressing... so maybe a little interested. As an Ashkenazi Juden from both sides of my family. That is Ottoman Empire, those that say they are and are not, quote 'Jesus' unquote. Raised Methodist... watered down Lutheran which is watered down Episcopalian which is watered down Catholic... This business in the Middle East is those Gaza folks have been kicked out of every nation they resided... Gypsies literally... Egypt last... Israel accepted them and gave them home and this is how they repay... The Red Man, me being one and recognized as and called Brother, who knew. Thought I was Dutch among other... but still can appreciate a fine head of hair.😁 So much more...
Stealing oil and removing them from their home probably had everything to do with it
Stealing oil? Petroleum didn't become a commercial product until late in the 19th century. The Comanche probably had no idea what it was, other than riding a horse through it covered their hooves with a sticky substance. They were a nomadic people, not an agrarian people-they lived by trading, raiding and warfare. Their culture and lifestyle couldn't compete with that of the European settlers, so they resorted to their historic ways-raiding and stealing. The brutality of this particular episode, while extreme, was in accordance with their MO. Hopefully this particular group was hunted down and held to accounts, but regardless their actions contributed to the belief that the settlers could never get along with this tribe.
If oil was a factor from the beginning things probably would of went a whole lot different!
Dumbest possible comment. 1) the natives had no oil, used no oil, did not even know oil existed. 2) The natives had no settlements in the area. So the settlers could not have been stealing the natives "home."
@@elijahhaar4584 in hindsight YOU don't know what home IS
Please learn how to pronounce words correctly as well as research the stories before you present them. Unsubscibed now.
Seems like if the "SETTLERS" wouldn't try to steal someone else's land that they "found" they wouldn't have any of these problems. I wonder if their descendants are the same ones complaining about immigrants stealing their jobs? Maybe the settlers should have tried stealing their neighbors land back where they came from and see how that worked out.
your so woke you must be proud. Not like the comanches didn't take other peoples lands
Mathew, your name is Hebrew. Do you know who the most famous land stealers are? Son, you need an education bad.
Natives only recognized land ownership to the extent they could keep other tribes from pushing them off. Quit reading SPLC, and ACLU type crap
Every people have taken land from another people. Every one, every where.
If Native Americans hadn't been constantly warring with one another, the "settlers" would have been driven into the sea before they got anywhere near Texas.
If Native Americans hadn't slaughtered women and children, they probably would have been treated much better by the settlers. At the time of the first massacres of settlers, Western soldiers would not typically harm civilians, so it was seen as particularly diabolical, because it was.
the woman in the pic used as immaginary mr sherman is a true beauty l wonder who she was
That picture was AI-generated so it wasn’t of a real person.
really well done must say @@unworthyhistory