Does F1 need an 11th team?
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2022
- F1 22 is out, and as per usual everyone is playing the MyTeam game mode. This mode introduces an 11th team to the grid, and always produces drama and action. So in this video I wanted ask: do we need an 11th team in real life?
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Yes More Teams = More Entertainment
Yes
Yes (:
Yes more fun
Agreed
YESSSSSSSSSSS EXACTLY
No, but that is not the point. What really baffles me, is how the FIA (who is responsible for deciding which teams are allowed to race in F1) is overruled by a private corporation (FOM, which is owned my Liberty Media). If the rules state that there is the possibility of up to 13 teams and that a team willing to enter has to pay a 200 million dollar fee, than thats the rule, you know? They pay and they are allowed to start, its easy as that. We shouldn´t even have to debate the question that´s debated right now.
I get that "newcomers" preferably want to merge with an existing team. But if you fulfill the requirements and cough up the 200mil, you should be allowed to enter(up to the limit stated in the rules). But none of this "teams blocking new entries" or the FOM(I guess?) deciding you can't for some reason like Andretti. I find it all very strange.
200 Mil? Where did you get that number? From what I know is that a potential new team has to put forth a payment of 50 mil which will be given back tom the team once it's qualifications have been made sure /I think after a certain amount of time). In essence they pay a sort of security lest the entry is not serious.
@@Athrun82 No, new Concorde regs state that a 200m non-refundable payment is made to be split between fom and all other teams.
@@mikecostanza303 Oh I didn't know that. thanks for the information. That is a lot of money just for entering the club I have to say
@@Athrun82 For sure, man. And yeah, absolutely it is! I believe they even call the payment the 'anti-dilution fee' to 'compensate' the other teams for their loss of market share. Think if there's a pie of cash to split, instead of 10 teams + fom its now 11 + fom. That's what the first guy was saying. 200 million is an absurd amount of cash, but that's the rule. Okay. So why is there even a debate if there is a team willing to satisfy the rules to enter?
Yeah, even when I wrote my comment on your community post, I wholeheartedly believed that having another team would still be better. I personally would love to see Andretti and Audi join F1 (especially if Audi uses Lamborghini's brand image for their team).
I can't give you money, but I can give you a like. Keep up the good work man!
"if Audi uses Lamborghini's brand image"
pretty sure Team Modena permanently tainted that lol, just go in as Audi itself with its Le Mans heritage
@@ForelliBoy To be fair, Team Modena is an example of why F1 should be wary of adding new teams to the Sport. McLaren (and Senna) tested the same Lamborghini engines and Senna said they were incredible. McLaren chose not to run it because Lamborghini's financial status at the time looked bad (the company went through some big problems before being sold to VW and Audi). Team Modena being a relatively small team took the engine and name but couldn't do much with it.
If we look at where they are now, Lamborghini is thriving under Audi's control. If we look at both company's future, it seems like Lamborghini can benefit more from a commercial standpoint than Audi. It seems like Audi wants to go all-electric with their road cars while Lamborghini wants to go hybrid, and the 2026 rules will use hybrid engines. Compare that with what would become their rival teams, Audi will need to fight Mercedes while Lamborghini will need to fight Ferrari and McLaren. The reason Audi wants to join F1 is a combination of technology, brand image, and road car advertising, but Lamborghini can benefit more from these than Audi will (apart from maybe brand image).
Now if we talk about liveries, imagine a Lamborghini F1 team with the lime green Squadra Corse livery. Audi's livery would also look pretty cool with their white and black car with a red nose (very similar to the 2000s McLaren liveries, but more sharper), but I feel Lamborghini's would be more noticeable. I believe an "Audi-Lamborghini" team would be great for both companies, but Lamborghini on its own will benefit more than Audi by having an F1 team.
What is Andretti
@@amr_rr Andretti Autosport.
It was started by the Michael Andretti, the son of Mario Andretti (1978 F1 champion, and arguably one of the best racers of all time). They currently run a successful IndyCar team but also have teams in Formula E, Extreme E, and Australian Supercars. They have been trying to get into F1 for a while now and they even have all the resources to create a new team, but the FIA isn't giving them the permission to do it.
@@yannickvaz694 oh ok do u know why?
Wouldn't hurt for sure but I don't see a proper _need_ for that. We had 24 cars from 2010 to 2012 and the extra teams were absolutely rubbish spending the races being shown blue flags or retiring. If the new team can establish itself like Haas yeah, a 22-car grid is better than a 20-car one, but if not I don't think we need to add more backmarkers just for the sake of it.
That's why they have 200 mil limit
It's worth noting that the 3 teams joined on the belief that there would be regulation changes that would help them. Therefore, they so no reason to spend money on that car when they could spend it on the next one. The problem is those changes never came. I don't remember the full story of those teams but please watch Aiden Millwards videos about them, they're pretty good videos if you have the time.
Those three joined on the promise that 2010 would see a budget cap like this season so that they could compete with their smaller budgets. Only problem is that didn’t happen until 13 seasons later and those teams suffered as a result. Manor was the closest to surviving but lost out in the long run.
@@glxywlf I will check it out, thanks for the suggestion.
I just kinda wish we still had some teams do stupid stuff and pull off these weird races and stuff. Master card Lola for example, or Andrea Moda
And then the random/dumb drivers that made appearances.
In maintenance terms I just more vids from John and Josh
Yes. Because it will be Andretti, and they will be HQ out of Indy.
No chance ahahha
Andretti in Indy are moreso actively disassembling themselves atm lmao
Team Andretti hasn't been doing that well in Indy this year actually. That doesn't mean I think that means they'd be HRT level in F1 though. If they do things the right way they could he competitive.
They'd probably follow suit and HQ their F1 division out of Northamptonshire or somewhere close
Would be a dream
I'll say yes, because the amount of youngsters in the junior categories is alot, especially those tied to f1 racing academies
This! So many young and talented drivers coming into the sport but the available spots are just not enough, with veterans and pay drivers taking up most of the seats
Excellent point. There are a lot of really good young drivers whose path to the F1 is blocked. Calum Ilott came over to IndyCar this year and as an IndyCar fan I'm happy to have him, but I'd have rather seen him get a shot in F1.
YES
Renault-Nismo NEEDS to happen. And Andretti could be finaly a Stepstone for Indycar drivers.
12 Teams we need. A place for the Alpine Drivers to learn and a Place for Indycar to step up.
I'd be happy for Hulk to stay out, sadly. Watching him on Servus TV as commentor is just too good.
A man can dream. That would be perfect. And to add to that, hopefully Papa Stroll sells Aston Martin before he completely destroys it.
I'd prefer for Cashdaddy to finally become the cold financial Calculator who looks at the numbers and is just calm and patient.
That man is in there, somewhere, I hope...
Renault-NISMO
Do I see Polyphony Digital sponsor incoming?
I think so, the talent pool in terms of drivers is huge, and the sport is growing steadily. An 11th would only improve the experience.
I think new teams should be welcomed (when I started watching F1 there were nearly 40 cars competing for 26 grid slots) but there is one aspect that all should remember: one team will be last. And being last doesn't pay well. So if you have sponsors who demand good results you better deliver or the team is gone within a few seasons. And if a works team is getting last places it might be even worse as a constrcutor can't afford the price tag for several years as a return on investment is basically demanded
It's true that someone has to be last. The obvious hope is that any new teams would at least be competitive in the midfield. Someone will be the back markers for a race but if who that someone is changes from weekend to weekend I hope that would at least be tolerable for any new teams, especially with the new cost cutting rules in place. Ideally needing less money to put a car on the grid will entice some manufacturers or other racing teams (like Andretti). At the very least it would nice to have one or two engine builders who don't have their own works teams. Unless a works team screws up very badly it's unlikely that a customer team will ever be able to consistently beat them.
Would love to see Toyota back in the sport as Toyota Gazoo Racing, the team has been incredibly successful in other motorsports and it would be great to have a Japanese team back on the grid
Not to mention the hybrid units now would play into Toyota's favor given the success of the Prius and the RAV4 Prime
That overtake at 4:00 minutes!!!!!!!!!
i REALLY want hyundai to hop on the f1 game, they have some great tech that might help with pace and stuff
I say the FIA should let Marduk Motorsport join from 2023 onwards.
I'd say at least 12 teams
Depends on who the team is but no question in my mind the answer is yes. Especially if it is a team that brings good backing and drivers that would excite the grid.
More cars means more retirements and therefore more safety cars/redflags, 10 years before i would have preferred more teams but nowadays idk if it would be better with the more strict safety regulations
the fact that oscar piastri couldn’t get a seat in f1 this season should be enough reason for one more team on the grid. I would actually like to see 12 teams, but i’m just getting ahead of myself. Even teams like HRT allowed newcomers to race in F1. The best example with that is the Honey Badger. Imagine if drivers like russel or leclerc couldn’t find a seat in F1 after they won F2. That’s what happened to De Vries and it’s not like they can continue racing in F2 either.
I think Porsche will be announced as an 11th team after the Austrian gp as they will probably partner up with redbull
I love Mario Andretti, but his son’s operation in Indycar won’t do well in F1. The Andretti organization is too overstretched with how many series’s they compete in. Porsche works team would be lovely
I do agree that another team would be entertaining and give talents a chance to be in F1. But the FIA and F1 would first need to solve issues like the backlog that happens on tracks like Monza. Where there is a huge queue to start your quali lap. Another team would congest that even more. There are a good few tracks where that is an issue. Then ofc more backmarkers for the top teams. With all that said it would be interesting with a new team and to see how they do. But there are some big inherent problems with it.
10 teams seems enough but I wouldn't mind one more. Though I think it should be a more stable team with solid backing like Porsche or Audi .It would also give young talents an opportunity in f1 which has been a problem recently. I am really liking the F1 22 trial and I think I will be buying it soon. I love your videos! Keep it up!
It would be important to note the $200 million fee incoming teams would have to pay, which would be divided among the existing teams to account for some of the lost revenue from new introduction of the team.
Why exclude Sargent? I mean he got off to a rough start but he just won and now is in the top five in standings, beating Lawson who is no slouch
2:53 finally someone that share my point of view
3:59 god level
If we are to have more teams we have to do something about the damn qualifying. Traffic jams will be worse and especially on small already crowded street tracks like Monaco
I'm a happy Norwegian hearing HAUUUGGGERRRR
Well more teams would mean more seats avaliable to talent but if those teams are good enough it could work.
We are working on the issue
I mean.. In 2013-2014 Caterham and Marussia were in the sport, both were crap, but was a good building block for Jules Bianchi (god bless him) to show his talents and how superior he was to the other backmarkers. There were even talks of him going to Ferrari for the 2015/16 seat, before he had his fatal accident.. An 11th team would be perfect for the sport
Unfortuantely a lot of the teams are trying to gatekeep Andretti from joining the grid...
Dream scenario: F1 lets Andretti Global join F1 in 2024, Audi buys Aston Martin (keeping Vettel and maybe signing Mick), and Porsche links up with Red Bull.
Those teams lineups:
Andretti: Herta & Grosjean or Rossi
Audi: Vettel & Schumacher
I've seen rumors Audi buying Saubet but I really like this one
As long as it's not John Schmuck F1 team, but it instead has good backing and solid cash, then yeah, more cars is better. But HRT, Virgin, Manor, Caterham, no. And even Haas isn't doing amazingly.
It's much better to buy an F1 team than to create one, and FIA and Liberty Media need to look into it.
If Mick wouldn't have crashed so much this season Haas would be fighting Alpha Tauri and Alpine rn.
Haas had troublesome years, but this season is going fantastic compared to almost all previous ones and with Gene now beeing commited because of the Budgetcap we should believe it only goes up from here!
Yes, next question
If the F1 as a championship needs a new team I can’t tell, but the fact that RedBull, as an academy, needs to bring Toro Rosso back, as a third team, can’t be denied. At this moment RedBull has 8 potential junior drivers (Iwasa, Daruvala, Hauger and Lawson in F2 and Hadjar, Edgar, and Crawford in F3), while their F1 don’t seem to be going anywhere, at least not Verstappen and Checo. Gasly has one more year at AlphaTauri, and I don’t think they will fire Tsunoda.
How will they deal with so many incoming talents? Treat them only as reserve drivers forever?
Yeah I want Porsche and Audi to join as their own teams as well as the teams we have now that would be sick
F1 needs more manufacturer teams as well as more variety in power units.
short answer = Yes
long answer = Yes
We need a Skoda F1 team lmao
if im not mistaken VW an audi are looking to buy a team if they cant find one to buy they could make one with the Rb engine
I think it’s obviously a good idea but I don’t want it to jeopardize what we already have, especially if it’s just an HRT or Caterham pump and dump where they leave before they even get started. And the money needs to be well thought out. Maybe increasing the prize money is something that could work. It needs to not drastically effect the other teams but also not leave the team that finishes 11th in the dust. Because then we’re just going to lose that team and be back to 10.
works in career mode may aswell bring it to the main league
Rich Energy JW Racing 👀
Yes. Competition is a better product for the fans than the bloated complacency some of the current teams are interested in maintaining. The current teams don't give a flip about the back log of drivers. It benefits them all.
I want more teams but honestly I'd like to see the point system change. possibly just giving everyone in the grid and have it decreasing all the way to the last spot. I kind of hate how battles for 14 and 15 are meaningless
I've been saying a lot of times, drivers like Piastri, Shwartzman and Ilott would be partly saved and race in F1 if wildcard entries existed, like in MotoGP and more. We need this to become a rule!
I think we need a lot more teams add one every three years
You failed to cnosider that behind the new teams are massive car brands where the advertisment is worth more money than they would ever have to invest and with more brands and closer racing F1revenue and it's potential is increasing massively.
Should have at least 12 teams.
It makes 10th place, one point finish more meaningful.
I think that if there was to be an 11th team it should be monster energy, imagine them and red bull fighting for the championship
Lewis would have a word about that for sure. Imagine a Hamblock..
was about to go to bed
wake up
The FiA is refusing andretti autosports entering F1 and I think that the reason they're doing that is because they're angling to lure Roger Penske into throwing his hat in the ring once the new rules package for 2026 is confirmed which would go hand in hand with the new technical regs for powerterains in 2024.
He's got the money too back up his intentions and wouldn't accept any half measures when it comes to the quality of the equipment drivers and staffing of the team, but the big reason is: he has had a long term working relationship with General Motors via IndyCar that goes back at least 15 years which could potentially bring a major american automaker (most likely either under the Cadillac or Chevrolet brands) into F1 as an engine supplier/factory team for the first time since ford tried unsuccessfully to become a factory team (under the home brand) in F1 almost 40 years ago.
You can bet that if GM were to get into F1 and be successful it would almost certainly lure ford back into the sport either as an engine supplier or works team which is something that the FiA has been dreaming of for decades and it would be liberty media's literal wet dream too have that happen for exposure of the sport in america.
Andretti has the money and the means to compete as well. Andretti Motorsports has its fingers in numerous racing series
Jehan Daruvala is more deserving than Dennis hauger
Dennis Hauger is in his rookie season,He is a good driver but he is not the next Oscar Piastri
where do i put in your code on f1 clash ? I cant find it.
Yes. But adding a high budget team Who can compete for podium
Nyck De Vries
it would be fun. but i would like all of them teams to be able to score points, so not another hrt!!
That’s really hard to control. Realistically the bottom teams should never score points. The midfield is a lot of teams and very tight this season which is why every team has scored a point. The only reason Aston did is extreme upgrades and Williams only scored points because of retirements and a weird phenomenon with the hard tire. But as John stated, more teams can save the pre-existing teams from folding and also allow back of the field drivers to actually race.
More teams are fine as long as they're competitive teams. I think tne cost cap would certainly help in that regard. We don't want another HRT but a team like Haas came in and was solidly mid-pack (for a few years anyway....) If the new teams can be more Haas rhan HRT I wouldn't have a problem with them. Having a few extra cars means a lot of the junior talent that's currently locked out of F1 will get a chance as well.
Myteam players: let me introduce you ourselves
Yes.
No. F1 needs 12 teams.
YES
Agreed. There are currently too many good drivers who can't get an F1 seat. If the teams do things the right way and are solidly mid-pack when they join I think adding two more teams would be the way to go.
I don't know, honestly. It sounds good on paper but experiences from the past told me that more teams means more stinkers. Just remember the 90's minnow teams, Super Aguri and 2010's newcomers. Also, if teams like Audi wanted to join F1, it's more likely that they would buy another team (like AM, Haas or even Williams). For me, 10 teams seems like an ideal number, but I wouldn't mind 11th team joining in.
Yes, more teams means more battles and gives the opportunity for 2 more seats
f yeah he mentioned dennis hauger
Actually I would like to see the return of pre-quali
One team = one more episodes on Netflix
Imagine Andretti, Porsche and Audi all joins F1
I sooo agree with dennis hauger deserving a f1 seat, but not before 2024
Yes
I keep watching indy car and realizng how much more chaotic and interesting the races are with more drivers.
I want 13 teams again tbh
hey remember that de vries exist...
Without watching this video...... Yes.
10 would be fine if Alpha Tauri was replaced with an independent team and Haas was replaced with an owner that has some sort of ambition.
What do you say about my beloved Haas? Look how far theyvve come already this season! Gene always slumped because there was no algorithm for the needed money to drive competitivly! He is full onboard now with the Costcap. Only thing that holds Haas back is the moneyloss of Gazprom and the drought of Sponsors. They even will bring updates this season. Other than Mick who has a classic bad first half (though I should mention his points in Silverstone) this year and the future look great for them!
Alpha Tauri... I'd say it's lack of quality personnel in the Offices and the lack of full on funding of RB. Though for me thats totally fine, having a Midground team fighting well for it and training youngsters.
I just wish Alpine had the same with a Renault-Nismo.
i hope andretti build their own car so we can have 11 teams in 2024
How do you put in the code for the F1 clash game?
We are working on the issue
Car no. 69… nice 👌
I’m just saying 2500 pounds is doable and if we get our cuts in future???? 😂
They need 11 before they are left with 9
If you think HAAS is sticking around much longer at the back you're fooling yourself.
where do u use the code in the game unable to find
We are working on the issue
Make it 15
Let there be more chaos 😁
Can you do f1 gaming vids?
Breaking news-nikita mazepin rejoins f1
Latifi- few peace at last
ay john you want that $2500? ill pay extra to have a piastri and dan ticktum pairing
Uralkali help Hass plus they sponsor some drivers
Yes we need another team.
How do I use your code in F1 Clash?
We need Andretti
why stop at 10? I want enough teams that after qualifying some cars don't make it to the main event. that would make the q1 far more entertaining.
I want to see it, but not another B-class private battle a la HRT/Manorussia/Loterham. If they're not in the running for points come their second season, waste of time. When the 2012 bottom end was decided by Petrov's 11th place in Brazil (rather than actually getting a point or two), something is wrong.
Make video about giving points to top 15 instead of top 10
How do you not have 4mil subscribers
We are working on the issue
1:44 You mentioned Hauger over Sargeant!? WHYYYYYYYY!?
I think that he new team will be porsche or audi, but i,m hoping they wont compete against each other but actually enter just one F1 team. IMAGINE THE PORSCHE AUDI F1 TEAM.
Great video, but you need to buy the game lol
Ok bro what's Ur Venmo, sending the money rn 😂😂😂
yes man
Considering the requirements needed to enter, the teams would be staying for years.
Yea
be like brawn keks
Y e s
Lamborghini F1 😂
dennis hauger 100% isnt ready for f1 hes in 10th i think it would be liam lawson or logan seargent