The importance of tokusatsu fansubs & physical releases
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- čas přidán 8. 08. 2023
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For me it always comes down to accessibility. People in video game circles have had this conversation for a long time when it comes to emulation and a recent study helped put a number on it. When 87% of video games released between 1960-2009 are out of print and hard to acquire for a general audience, people will turn elsewhere even if it technically illegal. Locking down and making it harder is the wrong answer, you have to open up and make your content more acessable, because people will always find a way to watch your show or play your game even if it means stepping into some shady territory to do so.
Shirakuea pulled a hagrid "you weren't supposed to know that"
Lul
Tbf, the Trinity drama is not just about scans being distributed. It was leaked a week or 2 before the official release date of that one Terebi-kun issue which has the information and scans about Trinity Zio. The gullible Vietnamese guy however, asked Shirakura the question while including Trinity Zio as an example as if it has already been officially shown off to the public when it really is not. So yeah, any person who is not affiliated with Toei tokusatsu filming staff, Bandai staff and the staff behind Terebi-kun, should know nothing about Trinity Zio during that time.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 I'll be honest I've gotten so tired of leaks and spoilers in the toku community overall. I can't even enjoy debuts of new forms half the time because unless I avoid social media I'll have already seen these things several months in advance. People need to chill
As somebody who lives in the UK, because I don't want to use a VPN to watch Tokushoutsu or buy a rather expensive region-free Blu-Ray player and the Kamen Rider Zero-One dvd release, fansubs are literally the only option I have to watch tokusatsu lmao. Unless enough people cry out about it, I don't see region locking changing.
Idk about Blu-ray players, but I know most DVD players have the ability to enter a code on their remotes to let you change their region
@@yeehaw5889 If you have a PC with a Blu-Ray drive, then FOSS programs like VideoLan VLC can run DVD's and BD's from outside your region by bypassing the region check when telling VLC to play a disc.
This has been a function of VLC for the better part of 22 years, going back to the days of DVD-ROM drives having a limit of 5 region set changes before it locked to a particular region if using software like PowerDVD, and VLC ignores those region set changes as they were'nt recognised outside of Windows.
as a "veteran fan" (i've been watching toku since i was eleven, now im 22) and a non english speaker the fansubs really helped me a lot in my english comprension and more on that the work of this amazing people helps me to stay in tune with the current season of any franchise!!
thanks tv nihon,overtime,flamesubs,excite,eartlhy subs and many more!!!
The think to understand by TOEI going after fansub is that to HOLD you trademark you MUST defend it. If any competitor can prove that TOEI let someone break their copyright and trademarks, then that means they have abandonned their claims to it. So, unofficially they probably like the publicity, but OFFICIALLY they have to act like they don't know they exist. As long BELIEVABLE DENIABILITY exist, the fansubs can still go on, if they become too well known, if TOEI hears about them, they HAVE to move.
I started watching Rider and Sentai back on a certain 😘 site and it eventually lead me to the torrenting community. I am super glad for finding these subs as other wise I never would have been able to start this show.
I started watching Kamen rider and sentai around the time Gaim was airing
Someone took it upon themselves to upload fansubs onto CZcams. Obviously those channels are long gone
@@Tfbrave Gaim was my second rider as I watched it while ghost was airing
Thank you for talking about this marcos, really disliked that fansubs have been taboo to talk about ! All this information and awareness is super important for the fandom.
I'll be completely honest, being a total outsider looking in, I find it pretty interesting how one's background can change their entire view on this kind of stuff.
Specifically talking about how "taboo" and "looked down upon" fansubs are over there in America, to give a little bit of history, over here in Latin America, anime has been hugely prevalent and popular since the 70's-80's, maybe even earlier, and while you all were getting your first anime boom through the 2000's, we here only had that grow more and more, but unlike in the US, we didn't get a billion different properties getting localized and released all over the country, instead, we started getting fansub groups growing and growing, online was getting to be our resource to watch almost all anime that wasn't some kid shows or very rare exceptions, it all peaked by 2008-2015, where most people you would even talk about watching anime, they all just directed you to the many sites that compiled fansubs or were directly made to have their own sub gallery, and it's only on the last 8-9 years that legal streaming and subs of popular anime has even been pushed, but so much stuff still gets skipped by places like Crunchy that fansubbing and those sites from before are still as prevalent, all of this context translates to our Toku community in general, we absolutely love and support all we can our extremely rare instances of official subs, hell, official DUBS which only happened very recently with Ryuki, Agito and Faiz, but since we only have like, 6 shows, all only Kamen Rider, available on any site with legal subs/dubs, Fansubs literally carry everything this brand has, just like how fanshops are the only way we ever get any type of merch, over here, we don't really have something like that LittleKuriboh situation even being able to happen, because all the people that speak our language basically know and understand fansubs, since we all are used to just, not getting stuff
The one problem I have with the Tubi TV/shout factory version of Ultraman Tiga, is that they use the insert theme “Awaken! Ultraman Tiga“. But, I can understand that because they probably don’t want Johnny’s and associates coming after them. either way, it stinks that the English dub wasn’t an option on the shout factory version. The CZcams releases of current Ultraman seasons now have the option to select an English audio track, so… who knows.
yeah, i totally agree with your opinion, fansubs are a morally grey area and if it was more widespread, maybe shamed upon. but until toei gets their head straight and takes our money, it will be a while so fansubs are the best we got at the moment
The poor translations and quality control from companies like Shout Factory hurt the legitimate market. I bought their Fiveman DVD set and found that the subtitle track included Closed Captioning. When I reached out to them to report the issue and ask if they were going to release a new print run with subtitles and Closed Captioning on separate subtitle tracks, I was told they wouldn't. I watched a few episodes of fansubbed Fiveman and enjoyed it so much that I preordered the DVD set the day it was announced. Payed $50+ for a sub that is worse than a fan sub burned to DVDs I could have bought on eBay. I won't be buying any of their Toku releases going forward and tell others to do the same.
Shout Kamen Rider subs are really good imo. Some of the best there show ever got. But yeah the subs for Shout Sentai have been mediocre at best. Why can't all of there subs be at the same quality is mystery.
@@lus907 I think it has to do with the horrid pay gap between Super Sentai subtitle makers and Kamen Rider subtitle makers.
Hi Marco, I been a subscriber for some time now (I know it been like probably some months I subscribed to you but I used to watch you when I was young) I love your videos and your historys videos. ❤ Hope you reach 100k
Thanks for this! Someone needed to say it!
It's also very interesting to see how in some of these shows (that i personally would never torrent so this is all hypothetical) there are japanese torrent leeches
Wait, Generation Kikider is out? Wow, that stinks. Perhaps the most tragic part is that almost no one's going to remember it as first company to bring an unaltered Kamen Rider show to the US (unless I'm forgetting something even more obscure).
Aniplex distributes the Kikaider anime shows in Japan. But the anime shows are based on the main Shotaro Ishinomori manga tie in to the original live action show.
Loving that ace attorney music my dude. Really gives atmosphere to this discussion. Also Marco thank you i just wanna say thanks to you i pulled the trigger on Kamen rider found a fansub (i wont say where) and Watched Kabuto loved it and even bought a kabuto belt.
If Toei don't provide their shows to foreigners, then fine, its probably just distribution issues. But if they then send legal threats to fansubbers, then I have to presume that the higher ups at Toei are xenophobic, since it doesn't benefit them in any way to do that.
If that is true and they have no intention of ever releasing Kamen Rider and Super Sentai in the west (excluding their pathetic attempts so far) then the legally grey methods of watching are perfectly moral in my opinion. I'm not letting some random CEOs determine what I can and can't watch.
I mean theyre having plans now so I don't think they're xenophobic just looking at where the most vocal and profitable communities are. Even though international fans buy a loooot of merch through third parties. They could do better ngl.
I remember something Geekdom 101 said about Japanese media (he made a rant video about the issues of Dragon ball Super Heroes promotion) Japanese companies are kind of xenophobic to other audiences outside of Japan.
Toei at the very least has waited WAY too long to fully jump into the Western market. It cannot compete with fansubs who give you more, faster, for FREE. There is no possible case where Toei can get the edge on fansubs when their official releases don't include all the movies, specials and extras that fansub groups do as a matter of course. And again. Free.
Marcos, have you and any of your friends ever thought of making fan dubs of various Tokusatsu shows and movies?
He’s done some before but they got taken down(along with the channel) and now he’s not really interested anymore.
As great as it is to have Super Sentai available in streaming and Blu ray but who ever worked on the subtitles didn't do their job well since whenever someone talks the subtitles doesn't show up. Like Carranger and Abararanger for example.
So all the rider I saw is fan sub and their better than official
Im guilty of using the certain site you mentioned because i liked the higher quality video with the subscription. But i wont ignore the work put into the fan subs. No im not afraid of torrenting its just the file sizes would be enormous after a while. And honestly people should use ublock or some adblock.
I just want to watch the stuff on my phone too.
Also softsubs can pretty easily be used with most Japanese releases. I own the Genm DVD that came with the Taiko no tatsujin gashat. In order to get the subtitles to work I had to change their timing a bit (delaying them by a negative amount), and split the video, cause on the DVD it's one file, but TVDB expected it to be 3 files.
That was only needed because I needed to split it for Kodi.
But most movie and tv show dvds/blurays should be relatively plug and play.
Hopefully with the change in leadership hopefully we can start to see more riders shows coming to west like Ultraman with tubi and CZcams . I love Ultraman and I really wish am able to experience the rider series the same way.
Gotta say, Mill creek didn't even try with the Ultraman Gaia DVD. Both it, and the TUBI TV version are FULL of terribly translated subs with episode 3 being the biggest example of poor subbing. Say what you will about the Shin Ultraman Blu-ray, at least the subs were grammatically correct and spelled right.
As someone who got into Rider through Dragon Knight then later looked more into the series and got into the Series proper with Decade through fansubs on CZcams of all places. I'm very grateful to them, I was able to watch Den-O, Kiva, Decade up to Foruze. I stopped at Wizard cause they started to get harder to find and the site they were on looked sketchy. As a kid on his family computer I didn't wanna screw that up. I'm still fairly wary of Torrents. But I'm more open to them now after getting back into the franchise after watching Zero-One and Kuuga. I'm just never sure where to look for a trustworthy place to get them at. I would love for more legally available Tokusatsu to be available mostly Kamen Rider for me. But also other series you have talked about like Garo. But I know at a lot Toku relies on the fansub community. So I know my best bet is to go for fansubs. It's just finding the right place for me.
Facebook videos were where I first got started. Back when I was 8, and now I'm 22, watching on [REDACTED], and feel frustrated that no one at Toei is bringing seasons to blu-ray/dvd/streaming.
I understand completely. I had to get two of the KR movies in pure Japanese and subtitled to watch them.
I've only been really watching Tokusatsu for less than a year now. I'm on my 5th Kamen Rider series.
I'm assuming Cleopatra's Ultraman Subs will be mentioned
Nuh uh, we already made a short about that specifically.
@@Marcosatsu oh I see thanks for the clarification bro
I always wished that the way that Epic does things with the Unreal Engine (of all things) was the direction that companies and how the trademarks used by them are how they money outside of their official merch.
So do we know already who the next Kamen Rider is ?
Kamen Rider Gotchard, there is a teaser on Toei's youtube channel.
@@Another_Hibiki thank you so very much, stay blessed and stay safe out there Rider 🙏‼️
I’ll support official releases when I can. Unfortunately some titles are abandoned. I wish Shout factory would rescue the Garo franchise. The demand for it isn’t there. On the other hand Toei is sitting on money.
I'm a big softie for the old school HKsubs, those bright yellow subtitles are basically my childhood growing up
Yeah. The silly HK subs (especially those of the classic Mazinger Z anime) that gave us the term ‘crab stick’!
I enjoy your content
I mean I’ve only been able to watch Kamen Rider thanks to these fansubbers with Zero-1 being the only one I’ve been able to watch legally
Kamen Rider Black, Black RX, Kuuga and Ryuki are all out on Bluray for you to own. Which he didn't mention or talk about in this one sided video which was more about fan subs than actual physical media releases for some weird reason. So go forth and order more Rider Blurays
to complete this trilogy of toku internationaly, maybe you can talk about tokusatsu dubs and fandubs
This is already the third video in the toku distribution series
I’ve lost one computer to pirating anime and Toku (then again, it might have been something else) so I’m gonna stick to official releases from now on. Except for Turboranger’s inevitable release. I’m skipping that one. That show kills brain cells.
I live in the uk so physical releases don’t work for me as they are all region locked.
I would buy them if they was released over here or pay for a subscription service.
Only official ones we have is the 2 episodes on CZcams and what is on Amazon prime.
So if it wasn’t for the 2 sites I use I couldn’t have watched Kuuga or Agito and going to watch more. I bought the manga comics and some model kits so I am showing them that I am interested in rider.
But hey I am just 1 guy.
Get a region free bluray player, problem solved
@@kevinkeene474 sadly they do not legitimately exist.
So they are sold by 3rd party sellers who have cracked open a blu ray player and soldered in a chip that bypasses the region lock and then they have doubled the price on top.
Plus if I buy blu rays from america all it shows the companies is there is demand in America, I would rather show my support in my own country legitimately.
If I can’t do it legitimately then I will resort to streaming sites guilt free.
So, are you intentionally lying about the Ultraman blu ray being in 480p? Because i have it and it's definitely in HD
I was wondering that too. Like I was in shock at how good it looked the first time I popped it in. At the time I was also watching the Shout Factory Zyuranger set. I couldn't believe the difference in quality between the disc formats.
@@CaptainVaxinth it's not even the best it could looks, like it's probably the same masters as the DVDs from 15-20 years ago, but it's still clearly high definition
So why did you use a chinese bootleg for the Ultraman movie
What
@@boogerman908the thumbnail has a Chinese bootleg representing shin ultraman
@@theletterm1787oh... Who even notices that lmfao
I have that bootleg. I got it before it came to the US theaters. I also have the official now that it's out.
@@boogerman908 me
didn't tokusatsu physical releases sputter out relatively recently? Like I swear I haven't seen any new relases in like the past 6 months.
Not really black Rx is getting a Blu-ray later this month
@@blazikenkj hooray!!
"Exuberant import fees"? That's a new one... Guess I never thought about the idea of fees being "happy" before!
I don't know where you get off claiming that the video quality of the Ultraman Blu-ray is 480p. Like, it's _very clearly_ in HD.
Either you somehow got a bootleg, or you're making it up for the purposes of... I dunno, comedy?
Also, the "Mill Creek Ultraman Tiga is speculated to be the best release" bit? 😆Not by an intergalactic mile! When was this segment recorded?
I love support official releases.
But I've been an anime and manga fan for years. So piracy comes natural to me.
IS THAT GODZILLA 14:20
Getting official copies has been a problem since i was a kid with Godzilla. Till this day Toei also puts out inferior editions of it's properties. It's so bad it makes you wonder if they hate money. Toei is notoriously hard to deal with. Even criterion doesn't like working with them.
Yeah, Criterion definitely avoids working with Toei because of its higher ups being outright snobs I think.
The 2nd half of the 4kids ultraman tiga dub is lost media... We all should still pester it to be unleashed before it rota away in the vault
There is no second half of the Ultraman Tiga dub. Fox canceled it before it was finished due to poor ratings. IT DOESNT EXIST. This was confirmed by multiple sources, including those looking for the dubs and voice actors. Tsuburaya doesnt have anything. The Tiga dub assets were trashed years ago, they arent in any vault. They are rotting away in a landfill some where. You can bug the hell out of them all day long and nothing will happen except you pissing off everyone connected to Ultraman. The dub was done to edited episodes, they wouldnt waste time and money to put that out when people can just get the uncut true version of Tiga on DVD from Millcreek.
@@khandigifer5254 nope it aired In india
you’ll get your physical release after admitting part 3 isn’t great
What a terrible video. I lost count at how much false information was spoken during the Ultraman "physical media" section.
Nah I'm sticking to piracy.