Why you NEED a cheap 15" 4:3 LCD monitor
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- čas přidán 10. 03. 2021
- If you work on old computers, you can't beat the practicality of a 15-inch 4:3 aspect ratio LCD monitor, especially now that they're so cheap, or even free.
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Oh. My.... That was a video of ME you showed at the end! HA! Can't believe that video is still making the rounds... I need to pick myself up a $2 monitor!
Lol I see! I wonder how he found your video
@@UdoADHD I guess CZcams's copyright enforcement algorithm issued a notification
LINUS?!?!
You've been on youtube for a long ass time😭
Vwestlife has used your videos a couple times. He's got really odd interests.
This monitor is what Zac Snyder intended for fans to view the Snyder cut on. The true cinematic experience.
5:4? Bet you made the comment before finding out this monitor is 5:4 natively! 😆
@@bullit199 it isn’t? The HP vs15 is 4:3, it has a resolution of 1024 x 768.
The first monitor he shows is 5:4 though
Corridor Crew explained why they actually preferred the 4:3 resolution over the original.
Ikr! I was so confused when I booted up the film and it was 4:3 :/
@@pugg5ter542 It's because that's what it was shot on. Snyder just wanted to release open matte.
I love how the thrift store classified the camcorder as "furniture". Even they think it's just a paperweight now XD
Eh. They’re great for people who make music videos and shit like that. The authentic look is so much better than the digital effect. That’s why I still use a camcorder from before I was born for mine lol
@@t6amygdala The skateboarding community also loves them and have for a long time (I don't know how to skate)
I saw a furniture sticker on his macbook he got
@@t6amygdalafacts. Super obvious when someone is using a vhs overlay and not using the real thing
I worked at good will ....we put furniture stickers on items that were "non returnable"
Lol when the monitor takes longer to boot than your PC
This man still runs Vista, he fears nothing.
That's Windows XP with the Zune theme. I find it quite pretty.
@@pacifico4999 were there gadgets in winxp?? or was it some sort of Microsoft plus sorcery?
@@Kitulous I don't remember there being gadgets for XP. I imagine he modded it in
I used to have a PC repair business for a few years. Believe it or not, once you get the kinks and bugs out of Vista, it's one of the best versions of Windows. I'm not being facetious.
@@CeeStyleDj y tho
If you have a slow starting monitor, you can press the Pause key and most BIOSes will wait until your monitor warms up and you can see the other key prompts.
or you can also just hold the space bar or most other keys and get a keyboard stop error (sometimes.)
Just want to raise the visibility of this comment. If anyone is not already aware, the Pause key will save your bacon in these exact circumstances. :-)
(I've had to use this recently with a retro PC -> OSSC scan converter -> HDMI display. It takes a minute.)
I always knew there had to be at least one use for the Pause key
On Windows, if you reboot from start while pressing shift you can access recovery mode and there you will be able to select that you want to reboot to the bios, on SystemD GNU/Linux Distros you can just type reboot systemctl --firmware-setup in the terminal
yo wtf thats awesome
"This monitor might not display BIOS messages."
"Hold my beer. Time to jam all the keys and force a keyboard error." 🙂
Yes.
_Sticky Keys Enabled_
Beep Boop 😂
A monitor, no matter how cheap or expensive, is always a nice thing to have. You never know when you'll need it!
What I miss the most is a direct access to Brighness and Contrast, sick of those neverending menus
Input select is more important (if applicable). I rarely adjust image settings but if you have multiple systems plugged in you need to switch inputs all the time.
I also don't like the menu systems on new monitors. Older LCD monitors were IMO much easier to operate with fixed 'Menu', 'Up', and 'Down' buttons and all brands seemed to have similar menus.
With modern monitors you can actually control the brightness and contrast from the computer, with the right software.
Yeah because the little buttons, or scroll wheels under or on the sides of the monitor just took too much effort I guess. Yep I miss those too, much easier and faster to adjust. The old Magnavox monitor I have for my Commodore computers has individual adjustment knobs behind a panel in front for up/down, left/right, brightness, contrast, etc. Also has some adjustments for the horizontal and vertical hold on the back, requires a small screwdriver to adjust those but they're there.
also a lot more monitors coming properly calibrated, in my case it came with a calibration sheet
@@AWriterWandering I made a windows shortcut to swap input, ddi ci is super handy.
I use controlmymonitor software.
That's one hell of a fuqing monitor you got there.
Goods news, it powered on okay so definitely not fuqed.
Fuqing great, I'd say.
I fuqing reckon!
I was pretty fuqing relieved when it turned on
and its made in fuqing china
I used to work in a datacenter and we had these ultra-cheap 15-inch LCD monitors that were super bare-bones. Only VGA and DVI inputs and no power saving features at all which meant that it would instantly display all video from any server without the backlight powering on and off to save energy and hiding boot messages you want to see. They were so handy.
The correct title of this would’ve been “why I need a cheap monitor”
Right? I thought the same. It's a perfect fit for the guy, but he didn't give me many different reasons why I need one!
Besides, he praises that model of screen for the integrated PSU, easy menus, and lack of DVI, but that's not a common thing among 15" LCDs!
Still a nice and entertaining video tho! Just felt the title as misleading or not capitalized on
Yeah. I understand why he thinks he needs it (but command line is not "text mode".wtf?) But nothing in here was why anyone else needs one.
This is just Diogenes
4:34 Even if "Product of Fuqing China" was not meant to be a joke, it made me cry with laughter.
Fuqing is a city in china
Fuqing is actually pronounced "Fuh-ching", so, not quite close to "Fucking"
Bhaaaaaaahahahah
@@prototypemusic @Lisandro Alarcón You meant it's not close *in pronunciation*. They're very close.
@@dionyzus2909 If you pronounce the "q" as a k, then yeah, but that's not how it is lol
Thanks for reminding me of when Linus didn’t have a beard.
Yeah, he looks like a skrub right now...it just doesn't look good on him.
And when he used to be more funny than annoying.
@@vwestlife Damn guys, I think Linus and the channel are better than ever.
Oh, that was not even a couple of years ago, right?
@@BilisNegra It was last year he started growing the beard. He said when COVID restrictions are over he will shave it off but I think he's just going to keep it now
I'm an analyst for a thrift store that uses tag colors like that. We cycle through one of four different tag colors each week, so that after an item has been on the floor for three weeks, it goes to clearance pricing before we remove it and send it to the salvage outlet. The discounted tag colors simply represent the oldest items on the floor. There are a few exceptions to this rule, but this goes for most normal donated items.
That's a good way to cycle through stock when shelf space is a premium and VCRs don't have an expiration date 😅 thanks for the insight
I just got a 19" monitor from a thrift store too, for "utility" purposes. It was $5 because I had a coupon. Here's the important part- there were two monitors there, both Viewsonic, 'looked' like the same monitors. I checked ONE monitor for inputs- VGA and dvi, great! I grabbed the one that was less dusty. Brought it home and realized it only had vga. Spent several minutes (maybe a couple hours) looking for a vga to HDMI adapter because I was sure I had one, cause I got boxes of adapters. I was not going to be defeated, I was not going back to the thrift store either- this is my monitor now and it's going to work. I went to Walmart and bought a $14 adapter. So my $5 monitor became a $19 monitor.
If you need a second monitor, even for modern gaming, these things can be super useful. You can have the game in one monitor and keep other important things open in the other like team chat, gamefaqs, streaming statistics, etc. without having to interfere with your main screen.
yeah the only problem is that some programs unfortunately have a shitty support to 4:3 ratio, but you can configure most of them
It's funny that LG is offering the 28MQ780 nowadays, it's got almost 28 inches and a aspect ratio of 16:18 with 2560x2880 (so basically two WQHD stacked) and charges 600€ for that.
5:4 monitors have 20:16 so not much more rectangular and you can pick up models like the NEC EA193Mi for around 30€, it's 19", LED-backlit IPS panel, VGA, DVI and Displayport and yes, 1280x1024 isn't really high-resolution but I'd say still enough for said stuff.
Or get a widescreen monitor with ergonomic stand that allows it to pivot and use it vertically, I got three Dell U2414H in 2015 and first used all three of them normally, but later replaced the center one with a 28" 4K and the right is now vertically and it's great to have the whole page of a document filling most of the screen and especially text-heavy websites and news ones are still rather narrow (the left and right space is often filled by ads), so you can read much more on a single screen page on a vertical widescreen.
I actually use a SyncMaster 732n plus that i fixed some time ago as a second monitor, 1280x1024. It's very useful to me, even though is 17 inch, its very easy to carry and use it as a test monitor. My only complaint with it is that some of the backlight lamps are ded, so it tends to be dim.
Once my current monitors die I'll think about getting one of these as a second monitor
I wish I could just get a replacement of my current ones but they changed how they manufactured mine
They went from having no speakers and 3 inputs (hdmi, dvi, and vga) to only having vga and hdmi, and having speakers
(I think they are acer k240a? My memory may be failing me tho)
Exactly, it's a good third monitor.
ive gotten like 5 of these from my local charity shop for 50p each, one I want to get is a 1600x1200 one but they're not very common
1600 x 1200 sounds more like a CRT resolution than an LCD panel. The best Apple LCDs of the same vintage are ~16:10 ratio of 1650 x 1080
@@circattle 1600x1200 is not really a CRT resolution, but it was mostly a high-end laptop panel. Some of the higher-end Dell laptops offered 1600x1200.
@@Lukeno52 My Eizo FlexScan L771 19.6" LCD monitor from 2001 is 1600x1200 resolution, and cost over $5000 when it was new! I did a video about it.
I picked up a 1680*1050 Dell monitor today, sweet stuff!
Now using it as a vertical/portrait monitor for software development. purposes.
You can pick these things up so ridiculously cheap!
My favorite LCD monitor (at least that I own) is my Dell UltraSharp 2001FP. Like most non-widescreen 20 inch LCD monitors it has a 1600x1200 IPS panel. Compared to my other (TN) monitors it looks great; it's my only LCD monitor that can rival the picture quality of a CRT. It's also versatile because it has VGA, DVI-D, S-Video and composite inputs (with Picture in Picture support) and has a fully adjustable base.
Old 5:4, 1280x1024 monitors are my favourite. I've been using them for years, and love them! It means subtitles go under the video instead of covering it, allows for better scrolling, and the more square aspect ratio matches a single eye better, and therefore matches HMD screens better, which makes them good for recording VR content. I love 5:4 monitors, and actually do not want to upgrade my monitors to anything newer unless something new comes out also in a 5:4 aspect ratio, because I've actually come to strongly prefer this resolution.
Old monitors that are still working today are also often super well-built and reliable, due to having withstood the test of time. If they have lasted until now, they will likely last a long time into the future. According to the manual of my Dell 1907FPVs, they even _drop-tested_ these monitors! Amazing!
0:47: Wait, you are talking about smaller monitors too, not just the aspect ratio =(O.O)= ?! I am intrigued!
The problems with the delay you are talking about sound specific to that specific monitor. My 19" Dell 1907FPVs have no trouble turning on quickly or switching graphics modes. It also uses a standard power cable and can be pushed down to lock in a way that makes it easy to pick up, despite also being super adjustable when unlocked.
Over 25 years ago I used to regularly attend LAN parties friends would setup. I worked in IT hardware support back then and could use our corporate discounts to buy pretty much any kit I wanted, so I used to go to these parties with my gaming rig, a 21" TFT monitor (TFT's were still rare back then, and 21" versions were something few had even seen in person !) and a pair of 16 port network switches. I also had a 1U server that I'd take with to use as a game server. I could have a few games running in tandem on that thing, but whenever someone came up and told me there was a problem with one of the games it was hosting I'd have to drop out of the game I was playing to remote onto the server and investigate.
Because of this I eventually got hold of a little 10" TFT "Point of sale" touch screen through work, and had that connected to the server. That thing was brilliant for stuff like quick restarts of the game hosting software and was used for that until the mass adoption of online gaming took over from LAN parties (I still miss those though. They were absolutely awesome get togethers with a whole house full of like minded (And usually equally socially awkward :D) people).
That monitor spent the rest of it's days in the back of my van for the rare occasions I needed to do a quick test on customers PC's that were either not outputting video or had a duff monitor. It was outstanding for that as it was robust, took up next to no space, and would quickly prove to customers that the problem WASNT with the PC we'd supplied, and they'd need to contact their monitor suppler instead.
I've still got my "Test crate" around here somewhere with a 14" TFT, K/B, mouse, cables, PSU, and several other components to make fault finding a simple process of swapping parts until a PC works again. Used to come in very handy.
We have a bunch of those larger HP ones at work. 15 years of near constantly being powered on and they still have a pretty good picture
I’m still using one at home and school
I have a 1680:1050 monitor that I use as my secondary monitor on my current computer. Sadly if I ever upgrade my PC it won't be usable because it only has VGA and DVI.
Some CZcamsrs complain about using 2 different monitors but these 2 actually look quite good together. Basically one is shorter horizontally.
@@bland9876 keep in mind, dvi is software-compatible with hdmi 1.0, it's just a different plug. You can get a totally passive adapter to hdmi, screw it permanently into the monitor, and have absolutely zero hiccups.
@@curvingfyre6810 that sounds better than getting an HDMI on one end DVI on the other. But if I'm using something other than a PC then how do I get the audio from it?
@@bland9876 ah, thats more complicated. You can get hdmi devices that will convert the audio to analog before the display, but I haven't seen one in that adapter form factor. I only use mine as satellite monitors for my pc, so that's never been an issue for me. That being said though, a lot of devices may have more audio outputs than just the hdmi. Depends on what you're using.
These videos really don't feel like they are made in 2021, seeing that date on the desktop shocked me even though I know the upload date
Liked your content. No nonsense, straight to the point. Useful tests. Keep up
Yes, I love these. I love the 1280 x 1024 DVI monitors. Super useful for cheap PC gaming because their PPI is pretty comparable to an HD resolution, so you can get great framerates at Ultra resolution with demanding games and a 780Ti, but Ultra is still actually worth it because the PPI makes Ultra still look beautiful. My preference for these kinds of monitors is NEC. Their monitors of this kind are beautiful in looks, have instant display switching (eliminating the hangtime issue he demonstrates in his video where he misses the BIOS messages), support a wide-range of signals, have DVI-I (instead of the more common DVI-D, which supports fewer video signals) and thanks to their dark grey palette still look plenty modern in design.
Monitors like these can be found super cheap or even free, as he states. It's a great deal, which I can already tell is getting harder and harder to find, so definitely pick these up while they're still affordable.
Fuqing is a county-level city of Fujian Province, China, it is under the administration of the prefecture-level city of Fuzhou.
Fookme
Linus: "Because I love hearing the sound of my own voice... ... ..Really?"
Practically Everyone: "Really."
Another great use for a spare LCD monitor is if you run a headless file server or NAS and want to check in on it locally.
That’s exactly what I do. I have an old 14” LCD monitor that sits in the closet until I need to administer something on my otherwise headless NAS.
@Stella Hohenheim Given how many times Linus has said F U to Microsoft, Apple, Nvidia, and others over the years for blatant cash grabbing manipulative slimy practices I’d question your statement a bit. Jason from Tech Deals on the other hand is the one that I would say has absolutely sold his soul in every way to any tech firm who’d even remotely pay attention to him. At least Linus has the spine to call bs on bs even if it’s not as often as he should. Jason intentionally green lights practically everything any tech giant does no matter how obviously manipulative or anti privacy/anti consumer things are especially from Microsoft. In fact when I posted a similar comment to this on his channel calling him out about it, he made no effort to simply explain his reasoning but rather straight up blocked me. I guess things got a little too real and a certain someone didn’t appreciate it lol All I’d say to him at this point is live by the sword die by the sword.
Linus is no saint either and I feel grossly underestimates the value of older/used hardware verses simply throwing everything new at your face acting like everything else is useless. That said, he’s went out of his way multiple times to clarify that he aims his content more at enthusiasts. Hence why he works so closely with so many tech giants and is (usually) always boasting for the latest and greatest hardware available in the industry. At least he’s honest enough to admit his agenda and occasionally call out those who need to be called out, verses just being another corporate shill like Jason or others.
@Stellvia Hoenheim cry more
A cheap, used 4:3 is also a great complement to a modern display for a budget two monitor setup. I have an Eizo FlexScan S1901 which is decent and has a DVI input which I have used while working during lockdown. It really is a productivity boost.
im glad I found this channel it reminds me of my uncle who used to go trifting for old electronics its super comfy
I've got "same firmware" monitor from HP, as yours's wide one. Consider trying to enter the full setup menu by holding power button pressed for 20 seconds or so. It should allow you to see the input preference settings and sleep-mode delay menu.
What HP monitor is this? - I'm looking for a swivel-capable 4:3 - or even better: 5:4 - monitor .
New monitors: "what the hell is this video resolution? I don't see it on the list of resolutions that exist"
Old monitors: "Is the horizontal sync frequency over 18KHz? Good, let me push some pixels then"
Kinda wish I had one of these so I could screw around and see what the wackiest resolution is that can be displayed
It can display anything under 1024x768
Ben Eater's breadboard video card might be an interesting watch for you then, lol
@@DFX2KX I watched that one, small world
Fun Fact: You can use the pause key to freeze most classic BIOSes, allowing you to read messages much more easily
*Windows XP startup sound*
I admit, my heart melted there. And I'm a linux user
Is this monitor self aware, singing "I am 16 going on 17?"
@Stellvia Hoenheim takes one to know one
They could be useful for playing older PC games which play in 4:3 which will look better than playing on a modern 16:9 monitor which would usually stretch the 4:3 image. As a note, HDTVs usually have an aspect ratio option to choose between 4:3 and 16:9 so that devices designed for 4:3 TVs will be in the correct aspect ratio.
Most of the time (exept when playing Diablo II for some reason), you can change this "stretch or fixed ratio" behavior in you graphic card control panel. At least on AMD and NVIDIA video cards, I don't know if or how to do it on intel stuff. Learned that stuff from playing csgo ^^
I really appreciate this video. I have a project in the works that'll have me putting up monitors in every room of my house. I thought the screens would be the most expensive part, but I never considered old 00's and 10's monitors would be so cheap, so I'll definitely be checking around local thrift stores for these!
Excellent for console gaming and old pc games. Also love the built in speakers with the grills facing forward.
you should crank the refresh rate as high as possible, even if its an lcd. A higher refresh rate, while not affecting flickering, will make the monitor smoother.
Agreed. Even outside of gaming, higher refresh rates are always easier on the eyes.
I'm with you there, though some programs have issues with weird framerates, often screen tearing if they were only written with 60hz displays in mind. Though 160hz on my VGA CRT looks really nice playing portal, albeit at 640x480 lol
Also the difference between 60 and 75hz is huge. I've literally never used 60hz, although I used 75hz for several years. 60hz is unbearable by any measure.
The problem with 75 Hz is that 30 fps or 60 fps videos will not look as smooth as on 60 Hz.
Well, higher refresh rates can affect the lifespan of the monitor and also the clarity of the picture.
There's a reason they recommend you to run it at 60Hz.
"Q" is pronounced as "ch" sound like "chair"
[insert Trump "China" meme here]
sounds dirty anyway 😅
@@michaelheinrich44 🤣🤣🤣
@@ThatGuyWalkingBy well.. yeah china's name comes from the Qin dynasty
@@ThatGuyWalkingBy Jina
I went down to the Salvation Army store to get one of these a couple years back to use for setting up old PCs, and with the Raspberry PI. They had several, but I spotted a small 17" Phillips TV for only a couple bucks more than the monitors. The thing had HDMI, VGA and composite. A good investment for the workbench.
It’s funny seeing how much the change in Linus’ script and presentation is lol
I love that you use the Zune window theme in XP. I really really miss it and get nostalgic for it, for some reason.
There was a subtext to those clips at the end. Something subliminal - a common denominator, you could say. I know what it was! Computers! Yes, that was it. Computers..., definitely, computers.
I don't know what I just stumbled upon. But holy crap, being a huge nerd its cool seeing this person talking about these older computer things.
I agree this old hardware needs love because otherwise it just heads to the landfill.
There is a workaround to see the BIOS screen on the delayed monitor, you can press the Pause|Break key on your keyboard to pause the screen till you see it. Then press the End key on your keyboard to continue the BIOS boot process.
I have an HP monitor too! You can set VGA as the default input on the 19 inch monitor in the settings
I used these as a secondary monitor for years till I gave it to a friend!!!!
Great little compontent monitor.
This is all the tech I need, long may it be findable and functional.
Former goodwill employee here, the price tag colors mark how long an item has been in the store, each color representing a week.
The sale color is used to try to get old items out of the store.
Usually if an item is not sold within four weeks its sent to a different goodwill location, or recycled.
That is pretty interesting what does the color mean
I got a 5:4 (which is even more square than 4:3) 19" Dell as my second monitor. One of the best monitors I've ever used. And my main is a 22" 16:10 Lenovo ThinkVision display, which is a great monitor (though it's a TN, but not that bad). Both of them are set on 75Hz.
My first LCD monitor was a 5:4 Samsung Syncmaster 172n, it was pretty great as well.
Not sure what difference 70Hz would make... Somewhere a gamer with a 240Hz LCD monitor just felt a sharp pain in their side.
Thanks for the idea. I am always tinkering with single board computers for retrogaming, and a monitor like this will be very helpful on my builder bench.
Man seems like everyone can get stuff for dirt cheap at thrift stores everywhere else in the world here in California even for the most ancient of displays you’ll never see less than 25 bucks not to mention the big old plasma displays go for like 150 (at a thrift store)
It's like that here in Colorado too. All the thrift stores around here won't charge less than $20 for any kind of monitor or tv, no matter how old and busted.
That sounds like shit. I get allot of things at thrift stores. I found allot of equipment there. Also great for finding games. I once found a boxed copy of time crisis for the ps1. Light gun included, 5 bucks. Also I once was in a small town and I found this little granny's thrift store. My brother needed a brake for his skates.
Then I also found A copy of ff10 and she gave it away for free with 2 other games. Because I paid full drive for the skates even tho I only took the brake.
4 backs for a 20 dollar game ain't bad.
It seems p regional; i got a gb pocket at a pawn shop in Buffalo NY for 10 bucks but i couldn’t find anything in FL
I have that monitor and it's pretty nice; I use it mostly with my older Win98 and DOS computers but as you said it's also very handy for just quickly hooking up a PC to test it out or something. The speakers are certainly not great but they're fine for playing games like Duke Nukem.
I still have my old 15" LCD I bought back in the day. it's a little scratched up but still works, especially after I recapped the power supply.
I had a cheap triple-monitor setup with some old XGA monitors. It worked perfectly well. I even managed to play a few games in ultrawide, though the visual fidelity wasn't great.
I have one my grandpa gave, super useful and I love the format to watch older videos that are 4:3, really adorable + free!
5:4 is nice too, I used a 17'' one for some years before getting a wide-screen one
I've also heard the "colors" on the price tags are just them cycling through stock. The color on sale is what's been there the longest and they want to get rid of it.
Also, all the thrift stores near me have a bunch of monitors like this. I had to recycle a few of them though as they had dead power supplies. But I did get a nice DVI/VGA one that I use to test all my old computers :-)
P.S. Check the settings in the monitor, you may be able to set the VGA as the default input (instead of DVI).
You should've repaired the power supplies. Probably just bad capacitors. Sometimes the secondary rectifier diodes go short as well because the bad caps.
I couldn't tell if this video was made yesterday or 5 years ago and I loved it
0:08 actually the colour of the price tags are to tell how long the product has been out on the shelf for the colour changes every week and if it’s been on the shelf for a certain amount of time they take it off the shelf to make room for more stuff i guess the thrift store you go to puts a discount on them to try to sell them rather then throwing them out right away but if it still don’t sell with the discount then they probably throw them out I work at a thrift store so that’s how I know :)
• 1:58 - You should pretty much always be able to spam the [Pause] key during the POST to freeze the system. That should work on practically all systems, including those with UEFI. Then you can rapidly press space/pause to advance little by little.
• 2:42 - Ah, the Fullscreen Console Mode, how I miss it. It was possible to install the driver in 32-bit Vista, but not afterwards.
• 4:19 - I found this monitor thrown out somewhere; it displayed yellow. I replaced a capacitor to fixed it, then sold it on Kijiji. 😀
• 4:32 - Fuqing = /foo-ching/
• 8:18 - Whew! I thought I was just getting old. 😬
• 8:25 - Ahhhhh! Look how they've massacred by boy DeskMate. 😕
• 10:20 - I guess Linus loves hearing his voice no matter how tinny. 🤷
that 4:32 made my day
The F-word is actually a major city and part of the Fuzhou supercity that you would have heard of.
And it's not read in the way that he thinks it is. Lol
"Foo-ching"
I've recently picked 2003 Eizo L367 for ~15USD, just a couple days after watching this video. I'm absolutely happy having this device. :)
fantastic video thank you!
I think they will become interesting again when retro games from that time become popular. Try to get a 1984 nCommodore today, 10 years ago it was electronic waste.
The LED monitors also have a good lifespan, primarily the electrolytic capacitors are broken and the CCFL backlight is getting weaker. But both can be replaced.
I converted the backlight of my Thinkpad from CCFL to LED a few years ago and the result was incredibly good.
I'm still waiting for VHS to surge in popularity. (Probably never going to happen)
@@EmergencyChannel VHS decks are "unpopular" but extremely expensive to buy for some reason. Even 5 or so years ago I saw a garbage LG deck for $60 at a pawn shop. I haven't seen a VCR of any kind since, anywhere (except there where presumably it still sits). Most shops will not even take them, maybe if it's Beta then they'll be asking you to trade in your car for it. Decent machines are unobtanium, on ebay, on local classifieds, anywhere. I've been looking for y e a r s. If you do find one it's well over $100. Depressing.
@@EmergencyChannel not everything reaches cult status, let's see if that will happen with the monitors. But s8wc3 is right just because it's unpopular doesn't mean it's easy to find or cheap.
yep, grabbed a similar one but its samsung. I also have an even smaller 13" its kinda cute.
Off topic but where is your profile picture from?
@@catgirlow I think from Hololive
I never really thought about it, but I suppose you're right about 1280×1024 being a 5:4 apsect ratio. I've gone the last 22 years of using the same monitor thinking it was 4:3
These work great as second monitors because they fit on your desk easier and they are great for web browsing. I have had to recap a couple of these that failed on me recently. Most of these come from the bad cap era and will need recapped eventually.
There are some caveats to using some of these monitors with modern PCs. I bought a 2004 Samsung 17" 5:4 monitor secondhand this past summer for an older computer I intended to use as a server. I ended up using it as the main display for my main PC, but would have erratic issues -- the monitor would throw a fit and display nothing seemingly at random, even on period-correct hardware, for a reason I can't figure out. This is especially troubling when using the GRUB Bootloader, as the default 640x480 resolution results in a black screen before entering the operating system. It can be remedied easily by changing the display mode to VGA Text, though. I don't have faith that modern graphics hardware is 100% compatible with the signal timing of the LCD, but I am able to bend the monitor's will with weird resolutions through 𝚡𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚍𝚛 without an error. My 2007 Dell UltraSharp, which I now use as my daily driver, does not have this issue.
Had this exact monitor with a really crappy HP prebuilt back in the day.
I've got the same monitor. It's my go-to for testing PCs. It is light and efficient for me.
I also like the XP era styling, it's so contoured. Picking it up is pleasant. I got it for about $4 in 2016. Still very useful for what I need it for.
Just a thought (on the 19inch).. I have a similar monitor that has DVI and VGA input, and it has a setting in the OSD that allows you select which input it defaults to. It may be something built into yours as well, but it seems like you would have found that based on your knowlege. Anyway, enjoyed the video. I too love having extra monitors laying around for testing equipment. Have a great day!
That sony handycam is the exact same model I used to use as a kid to record drag races when I went to the track with my dad. Great little camcorder
@Anti-Islam No. youtube didn't exist back when I recorded all that footage.
@Anti-Islam You assume I'd still have a camera my dad owned over 20 years ago lol. Even if I still had the physical tapes, I'd have no way of putting them on my PC since a digital hi8 camcorder isn't cheap. The only cheap ones are analog and all my footage is digital.
@Anti-Islam Yeah, and in 2005 I also didn't own that camera~! Not only that, but I was a kid, with no money, and no pc of my own, and it was my dad's camera, not mine. And no, I also don't have the tapes, cause again, was my dads, also, in 2005 that camera was more like 6 years old, and by that point i had moved out of my dad's place and to my mom's. Hell, by 2004, digital HI8 was a dead format
I plan to use 2 4:3 monitors as lateral view of my triple screen setup, with a 16:9 in the center. Why? Because using 3 16:9 makes the items on the farest edges of the screen too far to comfortable seeing them, and a 16:9 in the center is perfect for programs videos that work best in 16:9. I plan to use a Maxtor Triplehead2go to expand gaming to the 2 lateral monitors.
I've been using one of these as a secondary monitor for years and I have to say after switching my system drive to an ssd, this was the second biggest quality of life improvement I have had with my pc.
I still use a MAE branded square LCD monitor with my MacBook Pro. It’s great for shoving CZcams videos or reference material on while I use the MacBook screen for other things. I bought it at a tag sale my high school had for $4. It was manufactured in 2004 and still works just fine. I’ve been out of high school for 4 years now and have had no issues with this screen.
I almost bought a 4:3 monitor at a thrift shop for like $5 like two days ago and today I get this video recommended as if to tell me I should have
Pretty good for a semi-portable testbench monitor that you'll be moving around constantly between systems and desks. I wonder what other uses could it have. An entire small form factor retro gaming setup?
It could also be great for old systems which can't handle higher resolutions. My Gateway 2000 PC can't go to 1280x1024 without lowering the color depth.
Maybe, but if you want to see a sweet mini retrogaming setup with real vintage hardware check out Shelby's (TechTangents).
If you have one of those LCD monitors with the standardized wall-mount bracket threaded holes on the back, they make mounting brackets that hold single-board computers (like a Pi) that screw right to the back in those same threaded holes. You could have yourself a fairly portable PC/media center/retro emulator in a matter of a few minutes.
* luggable
I got one of those15" HP monitors.
I got mine from a junk wire bin. It didn't work at 1st but I took it apart and replaced 4 or 5 capacitors in the power section, working fine ever since.
I have the exact same 19 inch monitor you got and one thing that you might find interesting is it's refresh rate, I think I got mine up to like 100-110 hz easily, I wish I had it on hand right now to make sure but I remember that is surprised me in that regard.
For a long time I had wanted a second monitor. Then on a thrift store I found a 720p 14"" monitor for $11. I ended up using it to enhance so much productivity. I also used it during quarantine time where My teacher would be teaching whatever and I'd be on a bossfight on my primary monitor. It did its job fully and I don't regret it. It ended up dying last year. By this point I had enough money to buy a modern monitor
Do you know how many camcorders you have?
2:33 It's just switching between resolutions, which especially older games do quite often. The monitor doesn't know whether it's a text mode or a graphics mode, it's just different resolutions. (Also it's not a DOS prompt, just a command line, but I'm sure you know😁)
I have an hp 15" 1024x768 LCD from 2002 which even has a DVI input. That's quite rare for a monitor with such a low resolution; and in 2002 hardly anyone used DVI.
VGA monitors don't even know different resolutions, they only know different scanrates.
That screen blur is the stuff nightmares are made of.
Quite the striking practical effect.
Another fuqing awesome video!!!
Oh man, that HP monitor you have was my very first non-CRT monitor. I had that thing for more years than I can count until it finally gave out.
Monitors last a surprising amount in my experience. It's one of those things that the older it is the more likely it is for it to just last. The newer monitors have issues when it comes to things like oled burn in and stuff so I think the best monitors to buy are around the 2015 mark in year released.
@@QuixoticPenguin Absolutely, hell I've had more "modern" monitors just go bad on me more often than that old HP one. I had two brand spankin new Asus 1440p monitors crap out on me within a few months. Apparently dead pixels were a problem with some of their stuff
@@HorsesArePeople2 I've had similar experiences with new monitors. Seems like the newer stuff either has poorer quality quality checks before getting sent out from the factory or that these newer ones are more prone to faliure.
Fuqing is a county level city of the Fujian Province in China. It's just where the monitor factory is located.
So, when I've been saying "F'ing China!" all these years, I was actually talking about a real place!
@@jasonjames4254 Well, it's pronounced 'Foo-tching', so no ;p
I still have this exact monitor from 2002, and I'm using it!!
1:12 I actually have a similar model of HP from 2009, but it's a "L1910" and it does not have Articulation. I do however have a 2003 "1825" which does but darn it's heavy. I got both of those HP display including a 2005 "1902" which while it does tilt, the support is Warned Out so I use Slapsticks to keep it facing strait unless I can find a way to fix it. All of that along with 2 Motor Adjustable Tables, a Light Green Desk Lamp, Dustbin, File Cabinet, and a Swivel Chair for Free at a Hospital Office that was replacing it's equipment. The only thing it cost was a U-Haul Trip, and Gas, but otherwise I'm still very happy having 4 Screens now including a Asus 16 by 9 that I had prior so I can now do Multiple Display Setups by myself.
we have those exact HP monitors at work and tbh i never noticed they were that bad! ours let you chose VGA as standard as well! may be some regional differences? i am in europe...
I love 1:1 and 4:3 monitors, classy.
Few days ago, while I was taking my dog for a walk, I found an abandon AOC 17 inch TFT monitor, in very good shape, with built in speakers. The only thing that was missing, was the external power adapter (which by the way, only my new monitor has the same feature), but it works!
I cleaned it and I will buy a new power adapter and is ready for use!
I love this! My dad actually has this monitor in his office still! I used to use this with our family computer all the time.
...I should ask him if I can have it
I used to have that same HP monitor. They often came in a packaged HP computer system. Mine ended up at, you guessed it, Goodwill when I upgraded to a wide screen display.
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I bought this same monitor at a thrift store about 6 years ago for $10.00 for the same reason. I could move this from room to room which I could not with the 17" Sony Trinitron I had back then.
I have an HP monitor like that one hooked to my home file server. Monitors like this one are also great for hooking to older systems in lieu of a CRT. Mine even supports the sync-on-green needed by the Mac IIci.
I got one of the old dell 15 inch 4:3 monitors. I don't have a lot of space and it is lovely for me!
Just donated one of these to the thrift store. The contrast ratio just looked so bad compared to a modern IPS lcd that I couldn't see using it anymore.
Yeah, older TN panels are hard to go back to once you have used a IPS. Modern TN and especially IPS have much better contrast and color accuracy.
@@EmergencyChannel Older TFT panels are still better than TN panels.
My favorite utility monitors to have are old Dell monitors. Some of these have VGA, DVI, composite, s-video, component, and you can clip the ax-series soundbar speakers to them using the built-in DC power jack.
I use an OSSC and HDMI to VGA adapter with my old computers like the amiga, REALLY works well on VGA CRTs but totally fine on LCDs as well. The scanlines mode helps emulate the feel of a 240p image on a 480P VGA monitor. Looks outstanding on my dell trinitron.
Hey! I have this exact monitor, pulled it from the trash about 6 years back. Works nice to this day!