I've replaced numerous higher end condensing units with Goodman's over the years. I add a new dryer, low pressure control, high pressure control and a time delay for the compressor. I've never had a failure and they are all still running. Many of my estates have multiple systems. The only time I don't do this is when the condensing units are very visible then I replace the bad one with matching manufacturers to keep the homes value and to keep home inspectors from including negative comments to the new purchasers.
You do nice work and your videos are great. I do have one comment to make and it's that your torch is definately not hot enough. You need to get your copper cherry red then apply brazing rod and it will flow like water INTO the joint and not puddle on top. Your getting a cold braze and when you come around with the torch you are only melting the sil-fos and not really getting the joint to temp. Does that work? Obviously yes, as you don't have any leaks. Is that efficient? No as it wastes time and more time to repair a leak if one shows up. Watch how coils are manufactured and you will see the connections are cherry red no problem. When I started brazing, I was afraid to get them that hot, but it's much better to get in fast and hot, make your braze, and get out. Harris has a nice temp chart showing the recommended temps and colors to achieve a good braze temp.
The scroll compressors in those units will keep spinning while trying to start under a load like an engine reving. This wears out the pump. The refrigerant plus the length and size of line set is what creates the load that the pump in the compressor has to start up against. Hence the name Hard Start Kit.
DANG! I started my install of this same unit may 5th and you released this video may 4. Wish I would of caught it, would have taken a lot of the question out of it for me. Thanks for the video anyways looks like I did it right 😂
The reason your ac compressor are failing is because the condenser/compressor is higher than the air handler/evaporator. When it is run like that oil that comes out of the compressor with the refrigerant settles down in the lower part of the system, in this case the evaporator. Normally the little bit of oil that comes out of the compressor with the refrigerant is returned to the compressor. Oil traps need to be installed on a system like this. If you open your txv nut you will find oil in the lines.
Goodman’s come with a filter drier factory installed inside the unit. Double filtering isn’t the end of the world as your drop through the filter is minimal. Unless your line set is really long.
Those of us who do property management or rental properties have to do what we have to do. 9/10 times we have first company air handlers, and we can't just get a matched unit- plus these little 1.5-2.5 ton units are hard to get sometimes. They cost less than replacing a compressor, thats why we do it. I have put almost every brand in place of every brand with zero issues. The only one is the ICP 2 ton--avoid those like the plague- the compressors are LG and they fail. Great video, I'm right out there doing the same thing day in day out.
SuperspeederRob has Goodman condensers at his house. This man own a few Ferraris. He can afford Carriers. I bought a Goodman to replace my 22 year old Concord. I just want my freon compressed. I don't need to know which way the wind is blowing.
I don't have much experience with air transfer heat pumps in 15f. Everything I work on is straight cool and water source heat pumps that use boilers, which will work amazing at -10f as long as the boilers are functioning.
I was told by multiple techs that if your condensor goes bad you must replace it with the same manufacturer that the air handler is made by. Is this total BS? Can i really use a goodman condencer and a trane air handler? Thanks
I don’t see that. The reason I don’t like Goodman is there condensing coils leak in the same spot and the protective aluminum frame is loud and obnoxious. I’ve never had a problem with the compressors which are also used in many other brands
They are not any different for brand to brand with Copland compressors for the most part. The coil design and thickness of the material is where goodman cheapens out on.
Yeah the undersized (in my opinion) 1/4 line out of the condenser coil and the internal filter drier are my biggest complaint…Copeland compressor is solid.
copeland in goodman is better than copeland in a brand X? no- they are the same. Its more about what is available and what we can get. The new units are total junk. I have had no problems with new goodmans, but big problems with almost every other brand---mostly leaks.
That’s not a king valve. A king valve is the kind of valve that has no schrader valve in the ports and you have to tighten a stem to open the ports. Lol. It’s just a service valve. I know you know but I just thought I’d say it. Great work installing that though.
the compressor and indoor coil are the two failures that can warrant replacing entire system. to me it doesn't make sense to replace outdoor unit but leave a aging coil. it makes more sense to replace both indoor and outdoor sections and be good for hopefully 15+ years or just the compressor.
I doubt there will be a restriction. I have seen a liquid line drier restriction I think once in 20 years…But you are correct about the filter drier, it should have been removed and I showed the guys helping me this. Unfortunately there wasn’t enough play in the liquid line as there was no 3/8” copper on site and I don’t have a P-card or a Johnstone account to pick any up. I also wasn’t able to do an acid test which is something I like to do on grounded units. After this repair I ordered the property 50ft of 3/8” copper piping and you best believe I’m cutting 15 ft of that and stocking it in my ride, as I service multiple properties. Thanks for watching 👍
i have a packeged unit on the roof and i was told that the coolant cant be reacharged any more since its R22 and its rusting so i will need a new unit soon and am looking at some whats a good brand
There’s R22 alternatives out there but you should get the refrigerant leak fixed first. The brand isn’t as important as the skill level of the installer. A good install and the cheapest unit will last 15 years (unless you live near the ocean
call someone with a clue- not a big company but a small guy ====fix the leak, R22 is available but expensive so I would use M099 in this unit. Its an EPA approved replacement and works just fine.
Customers get a five year warranty with a new condensing unit. The price of condensing units has accelerated since the pandemic but in the old days, a new unit only cost a little more than a new compressor plus a compressor is a lot more labor to replace especially on the newer condensing units.
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro Exacctly. Those of us in the rental/property managment business have special problems. Plus we know how the companies make it so hard to do warranties. all these experts and these comments---they just have no clue about the challenges we have.
I never get tired of your HVAC content. Keep it coming!!
Thank you Andrew 🛠️
I thought a Carrier Last 15-20 years before some issues. Now I Stay with Goodman until the New Refrigerant comes out 😊😊
I've replaced numerous higher end condensing units with Goodman's over the years. I add a new dryer, low pressure control, high pressure control and a time delay for the compressor. I've never had a failure and they are all still running. Many of my estates have multiple systems. The only time I don't do this is when the condensing units are very visible then I replace the bad one with matching manufacturers to keep the homes value and to keep home inspectors from including negative comments to the new purchasers.
Thanks for watching 👍 I wouldn’t add a new liquid line dryer as they come pre-installed in new Goodman condensers 👍
What's you're thoughts on single stage and inverter heat pumps.
Nice video dave! Very knowledgeable
Thanks Junior!!
You do nice work and your videos are great. I do have one comment to make and it's that your torch is definately not hot enough. You need to get your copper cherry red then apply brazing rod and it will flow like water INTO the joint and not puddle on top. Your getting a cold braze and when you come around with the torch you are only melting the sil-fos and not really getting the joint to temp. Does that work? Obviously yes, as you don't have any leaks. Is that efficient? No as it wastes time and more time to repair a leak if one shows up. Watch how coils are manufactured and you will see the connections are cherry red no problem. When I started brazing, I was afraid to get them that hot, but it's much better to get in fast and hot, make your braze, and get out. Harris has a nice temp chart showing the recommended temps and colors to achieve a good braze temp.
The scroll compressors in those units will keep spinning while trying to start under a load like an engine reving. This wears out the pump. The refrigerant plus the length and size of line set is what creates the load that the pump in the compressor has to start up against. Hence the name Hard Start Kit.
DANG! I started my install of this same unit may 5th and you released this video may 4. Wish I would of caught it, would have taken a lot of the question out of it for me. Thanks for the video anyways looks like I did it right 😂
Thanks very informative and great job as per.
Awesome job
Great video !! thank you !!
Thanks Michael!
You are professional 👍🏻
The reason your ac compressor are failing is because the condenser/compressor is higher than the air handler/evaporator. When it is run like that oil that comes out of the compressor with the refrigerant settles down in the lower part of the system, in this case the evaporator. Normally the little bit of oil that comes out of the compressor with the refrigerant is returned to the compressor. Oil traps need to be installed on a system like this. If you open your txv nut you will find oil in the lines.
these have pistons---sorry.
Oil traps Every 10 feet of rise right
What are yalls thoughts in the hvac quick connect fittings ?
You forgot one important step cutting out the old filter drier, change it out anytime you open up a system to atmosphere.
Yep, butcher work, another company will have to come clean it up when it fails, lol. See it daily.
Goodman’s come with a filter drier factory installed inside the unit. Double filtering isn’t the end of the world as your drop through the filter is minimal. Unless your line set is really long.
Those of us who do property management or rental properties have to do what we have to do. 9/10 times we have first company air handlers, and we can't just get a matched unit- plus these little 1.5-2.5 ton units are hard to get sometimes. They cost less than replacing a compressor, thats why we do it. I have put almost every brand in place of every brand with zero issues. The only one is the ICP 2 ton--avoid those like the plague- the compressors are LG and they fail. Great video, I'm right out there doing the same thing day in day out.
This guys level is top notch in the industry. I see you upgraded the guages
Thank you! I don’t own these gauges the property does, but I do like using them! 🍻
“Warning: You should get help lifting the condensing units.”
Yeah, tell that to my boss who is too cheap to send out a helper.
Had issues with Goodman compressors. Talked to tech support he said any unit with txv needs hard start.
need for hardstart may have to do with goodman using rotary compressor in some smaller sizes instead of scroll.
SuperspeederRob has Goodman condensers at his house. This man own a few Ferraris. He can afford Carriers. I bought a Goodman to replace my 22 year old Concord. I just want my freon compressed. I don't need to know which way the wind is blowing.
I installed units in houses and apartments and process is different because apts they always choose budget over quality
That's why I better get a new one
What is you're thoughts on single stage and inverter heat pumps. Are heat pumps crap at 15F.
I don't have much experience with air transfer heat pumps in 15f. Everything I work on is straight cool and water source heat pumps that use boilers, which will work amazing at -10f as long as the boilers are functioning.
@@ApartmentMaintenanceProare you in the USA
I was told by multiple techs that if your condensor goes bad you must replace it with the same manufacturer that the air handler is made by. Is this total BS? Can i really use a goodman condencer and a trane air handler? Thanks
They do not have to be the same manufacturer
The compressor quality is the main component to consider when selecting a condensing unit. Goodman has better compressors according to some dealers ?
I don’t see that. The reason I don’t like Goodman is there condensing coils leak in the same spot and the protective aluminum frame is loud and obnoxious. I’ve never had a problem with the compressors which are also used in many other brands
They are not any different for brand to brand with Copland compressors for the most part. The coil design and thickness of the material is where goodman cheapens out on.
Yeah the undersized (in my opinion) 1/4 line out of the condenser coil and the internal filter drier are my biggest complaint…Copeland compressor is solid.
copeland in goodman is better than copeland in a brand X? no- they are the same. Its more about what is available and what we can get. The new units are total junk. I have had no problems with new goodmans, but big problems with almost every other brand---mostly leaks.
That’s not a king valve. A king valve is the kind of valve that has no schrader valve in the ports and you have to tighten a stem to open the ports. Lol. It’s just a service valve. I know you know but I just thought I’d say it. Great work installing that though.
Haha thanks for watching Aaron 🛠
Also a king valve is only at the receiver. If it's not at the receiver it's just a service valve.
the compressor and indoor coil are the two failures that can warrant replacing entire system. to me it doesn't make sense to replace outdoor unit but leave a aging coil. it makes more sense to replace both indoor and outdoor sections and be good for hopefully 15+ years or just the compressor.
Good video
My 4 ton Goodman has been running strong without hard start kit since its installed around March 2022.
Rooftop unit?
Braze with nitrogen but not take out the old drier 😮
Looks like a future restriction
Yeah, he should have removed that old drier especially with a bad compressor. The Goodman units have a new drier installed inside the unit.
I doubt there will be a restriction. I have seen a liquid line drier restriction I think once in 20 years…But you are correct about the filter drier, it should have been removed and I showed the guys helping me this. Unfortunately there wasn’t enough play in the liquid line as there was no 3/8” copper on site and I don’t have a P-card or a Johnstone account to pick any up. I also wasn’t able to do an acid test which is something I like to do on grounded units. After this repair I ordered the property 50ft of 3/8” copper piping and you best believe I’m cutting 15 ft of that and stocking it in my ride, as I service multiple properties. Thanks for watching 👍
@Terry Haas still has to remove the other dryer there, guy. Never want double driers on any system.
Not sure how much you make but you’d be Awesome at a school district.
i have a packeged unit on the roof and i was told that the coolant cant be reacharged any more since its R22 and its rusting so i will need a new unit soon and am looking at some whats a good brand
There’s R22 alternatives out there but you should get the refrigerant leak fixed first. The brand isn’t as important as the skill level of the installer. A good install and the cheapest unit will last 15 years (unless you live near the ocean
call someone with a clue- not a big company but a small guy ====fix the leak, R22 is available but expensive so I would use M099 in this unit. Its an EPA approved replacement and works just fine.
I cringed when I saw you pick up that condenser.
Next time I’ll video myself carrying it up the stairs 💪
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro it only needs to pop once,and it will carry for the rest of time,don't ask me how i know.
Do you use superheat/subcool method?
Yes
Of course----you have to because the line sets are so incredibly long. How else can you charge it properly?
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro can you make a video explaining it
@@elmerramirez1215 Yes I will
good video
Thank you 🙏
Where are you located so i can hire you lll
Colorado
What is that braze?? Lmao
Where was Kris to help out?
Haha Kris helped out for sure just didn’t get it on video 👍
Lord another property with mismatched units 😔
Yep 👍 best to build apt buildings with good man’s because you know that’s what they are getting replaced with ⚒️
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro most use first company air handlers here in arizona---what do they use there?
First co and Goodman@@mtsaz100
So they're basically down grading on efficiency instead of just getting a new comp which would've been less pricy ?
Customers get a five year warranty with a new condensing unit. The price of condensing units has accelerated since the pandemic but in the old days, a new unit only cost a little more than a new compressor plus a compressor is a lot more labor to replace especially on the newer condensing units.
Maybe residential. Buildings are considered commercial so there’s no 5 year warranty on this
I hope that there is some kind of warranty. There may be no labor warranty but certainly there is a equipment warranty.
8 yrs system it should be under warranty 🤔
Not for commercial
@@ApartmentMaintenancePro Exacctly. Those of us in the rental/property managment business have special problems. Plus we know how the companies make it so hard to do warranties. all these experts and these comments---they just have no clue about the challenges we have.
really? its 5 yrs on commercial and rental properties whether single family or a duplex or apartment complex are commercial. 5 yrs.
@@mtsaz100 apt complex are considered commercial
You burned the paint
No suction line filter dryer ?
Is the Goodman still running?
Yes of course.