Y'all stop oversimplifying things. Jonathan survived and fought through quite a few battles. Muzan is quick but weak, due to only the bit of damage he did to, say, the strongest hashira, and he still survived longer. Jonathan could easily win as his hamon is stronger than sunight.
@@samuraituff9653 It’s life energy that has the same effect as the sun and can be more effective than the sun if it’s trained and since it’s a concentrated amount of energy
I would like to think that Johnathan would take Inosuke under his wing since they would bond over being able to dislocate their limbs as well as Johnathan being able to be some sort of father figure to Inosuke
Muzan is literally a super nerfed Pillar Man and if Joseph killed 3 then its safe to assume jonathan can kill Muzan since he went toe to toe with Dio, and there is absolutely no way Dio would lose to Muzan
Muzan is straight up base kars but dumb asf and watered down. Ds stans are saying muzan is extremely intelligent in and outside of battle, but if you really think about it, he’s not
Demon slayer fans are gonna start coping. Y’all Jonathan can’t even be touched lmao. Even blades won’t work. He has hamon constantly coursing through his body. Jonathan has been shown to move hamon through walls and the ground and ofc swords
Wow he’s moved Hamon through walls and swords and the ground 😱 demon arts can’t possibly do anything remotely like that?? Oh wait, they can. Don’t get me wrong I believe Johnathan has this down mostly cuz hamon is literal sunlight power but make no mistake Johnathan isn’t gonna be able to just find all of Muzan’s correct organs to strike and kill him easily
@@whytfnot4669 Tbh, Jonathan wouldn't even need to find the correct organ to chop cause unlike Demon Slayers who actually needs a specific sword to kill a demon thus they have to chop a certain way to prevent regen, Jonathan's hamon just disintegrates them. And don't get me started on how Hamon can do a variety of things like muscle control, walking on water, can turn everything it touches into a straight-up sunlight weapon, etc.
@@whytfnot4669cap Jonathan doesn't need to chop some demon necks all he needs is to touch them and filled them with hamon and then boom they turn into dust
Interesting topic. But i'm not confident Jonathan can easily beat muzan. He can win but not that easy. It's way more realistic if you put joseph. Since the fact he already beat a god (pillar men). Just by the fact he killed or outsmarted Ultimate Being. It's way more valid to say Joseph can beat muzan than Jonathan.
Actually joseph is just the luckiest dude alive, he defeated kars only thanks to luck, nothing was his plan, it was all random, the eruption, the hand of Joseph pushing kars away from him, etc and Joseph even survived the fall on that rock
@@mattleboss7138 luck is power. Just because some character have a biggest luck in his life so you can judge him too weak. Luck it self is power. Luck, curse, karma etc. Is the power itself. And it doesn't change the fact he beat a God. It's way more valid. Tho i didn't say Jonathan is weak. But look at the fact we have, Joseph has more chance than Jonathan beat Muzan more easily. Just by their personality you can see who can take the advantage more effective, which is Joseph has more advantage here than Jonatahan cause their personality.
@@KingwolfLotts1 you know when I say luck I mean plot armor, and joseph doesn’t need plot armor against muzan, and in a fight like his plot armor doesn’t exist
No he has a point. Jonathan sweeps. DS speed caps at around supersonic. Muzan couldn't even outrun an explosive. Says alot. Lightning feat does not count. It's not coming from clouds. Which would only get you around mach 1 and so on.
@@mattleboss7138 i see. I mean just say plot armor. Plot armor and luck is two different thing. When luck intepreted as power it doesn't mean plot armor. I said this since there's some story' i read using luck for main Character power. Tho Jojo even has a stand with luck power (poco Loco If i'm not wrong).
Awesome video, suprised here is not much views. I would suggest making yourself louder/music quitter since your voice was really quiet compares to background music because of what I was barely able to understand what you saying
I haven't really read ds manga but there's no way Muzan is gonna lose this right? I mean I know that he's strong enough to go against all of the hashiras simultaneously and that's a feat that Jonathan will never get close to. the problem with Jojo (just like many other animes out there) is that power scaling is inconsistent as hell. so we have Araki's statement about how star platinum is faster than light but at the same time Jotaro couldn't react to Pucci's speed who was moving at the speed of a bullet train (Jotaro himself estimated Pucci's speed to be that much). speed of light is 300 000km per second while bullet train is 300 km per hour. The difference between these 2 is extremely massive. long story short, araki kinda contradicts his statements. anyways, even if we completely ignore these inconsistencies and say that sp is faster than light, it still doesn't mean that Jonathan is also ftl. it was part 3 Dio who was able to react to star platinum's attacks not part 1. The World significantly increased Dio's overall power, strength, attack speed, reaction speed and so on, so it's not fair to say that part 1 Dio will have the same type of speed/reaction speed as part 3's. also, it was shown that vampires do not immediately die from hamon filled attacks and can pretty much survive and tank a lot of those hits so even if Jonathan lands a hit, it's still not a guaranteed win. if you'll say that vampires and demons aren't the same, well you're right, cause demons are pretty much more durable. vampires like Dio and vanilla ice immediately died when they got exposed to sunlight while demons like Hantengu and Nezuko (before she conquered sun) could survive for quite a lot of time during daylight, so logically, demons would be way more tolerable to Hamon than vampires. so yeah, long story short, Jonathan really doesn't have any type of speed feats that will put him above Muzan. he is physically strong and have hamon alright but what's the point of all that when he can't land a hit?
@@2EntireLegs At the start time took roughly two minutes per hour, so he'd be around the speed of a bullet train. BUT, he isn't the speed of a train, he's the speed of the universe being accelerated. So when days and seasons pass by in mere seconds, that's the speed Pucci is at when he kills the stone ocean gang.
@@binaryboopsva Well, by the time Pucci blitzed Jotaro the first time, he was moving at the speed of a bullet train. I know he gradually gains more speed and eventually is infinitely fast but my point is that by the time Pucci was moving at the speed of 300 km per hour he was able to blitz Jotaro.
I mean Jonathan can probably one shot muzan but muzan is definitely way faster from what we seen in the show which a weakened muzan. Jonathan can't even get close to muzan.
At least I've been list of all Jonathan's Hamon Movsets including Joseph with his poking next line capability to brain struck their enemies like stunned even trying to say their lines but Joseph already predicted their lines to loose them on focus in battle.
@@Kladyos Jonathan doesn't have some type of Hamon coursing through his body that automatically defends him against any type of threat. Only old Joseph was able to do that only because he fused Hamon into hermit purple that was wrapped around his body. so this thing that Jonathan can automatically defend himself from Muzan's attacks is just not true.
Johnathan literally has the power of the sun in the palm of his hands. His healing factor is far stronger than any demon slayer's. Hamon is generally better than breathing styles. His only weakness is him being a kind hearted and honarable gentleman who is willing to die for others and doesn't play dirty like other demons. Johnathan is winning against muzan considering Hamon is basically an upgraded version of Nichirin.
@@Devilboy_1029 idk about anything else but, definitely even Akaza (UM3)'s healing is faster than Jonathan's. I've seen both shows btw just in case someone replies "he hasn't seen JoJo (I read JoJo before DS).
@Chris-jn6zl Joseph can wrap himself in hamon, so can Jonathan. It's literally shown that dio had to become a biologist and learn a whole new power system to kill Jonathan
@@dluxajalt I was talking about a wrong statement by The comment replied to but in the case you suggested, hamon adds durability of wrapped around, it doesn't make you invisible to everything. So even a rock with enough acceleration (Force = mass x acceleration) kill someone wrapped in hamon (he of course won't be able to dodge cause of velocity). Daki (who isn't or wasn't even UM6) was able to destroy town easily, even if you say it was her that clothes thing, UM4 Was able to destroy buildings with gust of wind. So can any UM and also Muzan (much much stronger than UM4). Meaning Muzan can easily dodge Joseph's and Jonathan's attacks and just kill both with gusts of wind.
if hamon is pretty much strait sun energy, then muzan gets 1-shotted by jonathan
Y'all stop oversimplifying things. Jonathan survived and fought through quite a few battles. Muzan is quick but weak, due to only the bit of damage he did to, say, the strongest hashira, and he still survived longer. Jonathan could easily win as his hamon is stronger than sunight.
hamon is not stronger than sunlight, kars conquered the sun and used 100 times more potent hamon
@@lunaticnomad0Hamon is the same as the sun and if concentrated as a attack, it’s more potent than the sun
@@lightningmcqueen4078no it's not also where was that started so you mean hamon is stronger than the sun
Isn't it just energy but from the sun
@@samuraituff9653 It’s life energy that has the same effect as the sun and can be more effective than the sun if it’s trained and since it’s a concentrated amount of energy
@@lightningmcqueen4078 no it can't that makes no since life energy that comes from the sun
Also hamon can't be hotter than the sun it's not possible
I would like to think that Johnathan would take Inosuke under his wing since they would bond over being able to dislocate their limbs as well as Johnathan being able to be some sort of father figure to Inosuke
Muzan is literally a super nerfed Pillar Man and if Joseph killed 3 then its safe to assume jonathan can kill Muzan since he went toe to toe with Dio, and there is absolutely no way Dio would lose to Muzan
3.5, don't forget esidisi
@@nathanaelcheong9870 why you gotta bring up santana 😫
Muzan is straight up base kars but dumb asf and watered down. Ds stans are saying muzan is extremely intelligent in and outside of battle, but if you really think about it, he’s not
@@staraoppsSantana is still alive, he's just trapped inside the Speedwagon Foundation HQ
Kars is still trapped in space
@@ThatGuy-pj2khnot even base kars level I’d say Muzan is in a relative level compared to part 1 Dio
Demon slayer fans are gonna start coping. Y’all Jonathan can’t even be touched lmao. Even blades won’t work. He has hamon constantly coursing through his body. Jonathan has been shown to move hamon through walls and the ground and ofc swords
Wow he’s moved Hamon through walls and swords and the ground 😱 demon arts can’t possibly do anything remotely like that?? Oh wait, they can. Don’t get me wrong I believe Johnathan has this down mostly cuz hamon is literal sunlight power but make no mistake Johnathan isn’t gonna be able to just find all of Muzan’s correct organs to strike and kill him easily
@@whytfnot4669 Tbh, Jonathan wouldn't even need to find the correct organ to chop cause unlike Demon Slayers who actually needs a specific sword to kill a demon thus they have to chop a certain way to prevent regen, Jonathan's hamon just disintegrates them. And don't get me started on how Hamon can do a variety of things like muscle control, walking on water, can turn everything it touches into a straight-up sunlight weapon, etc.
@@whytfnot4669cap Jonathan doesn't need to chop some demon necks all he needs is to touch them and filled them with hamon and then boom they turn into dust
Interesting topic. But i'm not confident Jonathan can easily beat muzan. He can win but not that easy. It's way more realistic if you put joseph. Since the fact he already beat a god (pillar men). Just by the fact he killed or outsmarted Ultimate Being. It's way more valid to say Joseph can beat muzan than Jonathan.
Actually joseph is just the luckiest dude alive, he defeated kars only thanks to luck, nothing was his plan, it was all random, the eruption, the hand of Joseph pushing kars away from him, etc and Joseph even survived the fall on that rock
@@mattleboss7138 luck is power. Just because some character have a biggest luck in his life so you can judge him too weak. Luck it self is power. Luck, curse, karma etc. Is the power itself.
And it doesn't change the fact he beat a God.
It's way more valid.
Tho i didn't say Jonathan is weak. But look at the fact we have, Joseph has more chance than Jonathan beat Muzan more easily. Just by their personality you can see who can take the advantage more effective, which is Joseph has more advantage here than Jonatahan cause their personality.
@@KingwolfLotts1 you know when I say luck I mean plot armor, and joseph doesn’t need plot armor against muzan, and in a fight like his plot armor doesn’t exist
No he has a point. Jonathan sweeps. DS speed caps at around supersonic. Muzan couldn't even outrun an explosive. Says alot. Lightning feat does not count. It's not coming from clouds. Which would only get you around mach 1 and so on.
@@mattleboss7138 i see. I mean just say plot armor. Plot armor and luck is two different thing. When luck intepreted as power it doesn't mean plot armor. I said this since there's some story' i read using luck for main Character power. Tho Jojo even has a stand with luck power (poco Loco If i'm not wrong).
Awesome video, suprised here is not much views. I would suggest making yourself louder/music quitter since your voice was really quiet compares to background music because of what I was barely able to understand what you saying
Yeah i realized that after uploading it. I will keep this inmind and thank you for the feedback
nice content
jonathan dog walks muzan
Honestly I'm an on the idea that if you merge the Jojo verse and Kimetsu no Yaiba, not much would change
Tanjiroin jojo artstyle💀💀💀
I haven't really read ds manga but there's no way Muzan is gonna lose this right? I mean I know that he's strong enough to go against all of the hashiras simultaneously and that's a feat that Jonathan will never get close to.
the problem with Jojo (just like many other animes out there) is that power scaling is inconsistent as hell. so we have Araki's statement about how star platinum is faster than light but at the same time Jotaro couldn't react to Pucci's speed who was moving at the speed of a bullet train (Jotaro himself estimated Pucci's speed to be that much). speed of light is 300 000km per second while bullet train is 300 km per hour. The difference between these 2 is extremely massive. long story short, araki kinda contradicts his statements.
anyways, even if we completely ignore these inconsistencies and say that sp is faster than light, it still doesn't mean that Jonathan is also ftl. it was part 3 Dio who was able to react to star platinum's attacks not part 1. The World significantly increased Dio's overall power, strength, attack speed, reaction speed and so on, so it's not fair to say that part 1 Dio will have the same type of speed/reaction speed as part 3's.
also, it was shown that vampires do not immediately die from hamon filled attacks and can pretty much survive and tank a lot of those hits so even if Jonathan lands a hit, it's still not a guaranteed win. if you'll say that vampires and demons aren't the same, well you're right, cause demons are pretty much more durable. vampires like Dio and vanilla ice immediately died when they got exposed to sunlight while demons like Hantengu and Nezuko (before she conquered sun) could survive for quite a lot of time during daylight, so logically, demons would be way more tolerable to Hamon than vampires.
so yeah, long story short, Jonathan really doesn't have any type of speed feats that will put him above Muzan. he is physically strong and have hamon alright but what's the point of all that when he can't land a hit?
Where did the Pucci is as fast as a bullet train come from? Genuinely curious
@@2EntireLegs At the start time took roughly two minutes per hour, so he'd be around the speed of a bullet train.
BUT, he isn't the speed of a train, he's the speed of the universe being accelerated. So when days and seasons pass by in mere seconds, that's the speed Pucci is at when he kills the stone ocean gang.
@@2EntireLegs Jotaro himself stated it. the episode 36 at around 17;20 minute mark
Im ngl bro you wrote a chapter 😂😂we can just debate this later
@@binaryboopsva Well, by the time Pucci blitzed Jotaro the first time, he was moving at the speed of a bullet train. I know he gradually gains more speed and eventually is infinitely fast but my point is that by the time Pucci was moving at the speed of 300 km per hour he was able to blitz Jotaro.
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Thank you big guy
Cant Jonathan just spam sunlight yellow overdrive and beat the fuck outta muzan?
I mean Jonathan can probably one shot muzan but muzan is definitely way faster from what we seen in the show which a weakened muzan. Jonathan can't even get close to muzan.
I was intentially downplaying jonathan cause i have another video going on about his capabilities.
Jonathan's Long Range Attacks without using his physical body to approach muzan is called Sendo Hamon Overdrive.
At least I've been list of all Jonathan's Hamon Movsets including Joseph with his poking next line capability to brain struck their enemies like stunned even trying to say their lines but Joseph already predicted their lines to loose them on focus in battle.
@@Kladyos Jonathan doesn't have some type of Hamon coursing through his body that automatically defends him against any type of threat. Only old Joseph was able to do that only because he fused Hamon into hermit purple that was wrapped around his body. so this thing that Jonathan can automatically defend himself from Muzan's attacks is just not true.
Araki once said "uhh jonathan is strongest jojo" how tf would he lose
Bro you didn't even scale Muzan
Nah muzan got range and would cut himself to thousand pieces if jonathan gets him
Zoom Punch and Sendo Hamon Overdrive : Are we a joke?
Takamura solos both
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demon slayer and phantom blood have a very simaler storyline
bro really comparing the two 😭😭😭😭
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@@NikoIsGodly ippo still better ong
Yujiro >
@@NikoIsGodly no 🤬
Jonathan wins because he's super boring that muzan would just go to sleep lmao
Average demon slayer fan moment
Tanjiro is putting up a high diff fight with Johnathan. No way johnathan beats Muzyboi. 🔂🔂🔂🔂
Johnathan literally has the power of the sun in the palm of his hands. His healing factor is far stronger than any demon slayer's. Hamon is generally better than breathing styles. His only weakness is him being a kind hearted and honarable gentleman who is willing to die for others and doesn't play dirty like other demons. Johnathan is winning against muzan considering Hamon is basically an upgraded version of Nichirin.
@@Devilboy_1029 idk about anything else but, definitely even Akaza (UM3)'s healing is faster than Jonathan's. I've seen both shows btw just in case someone replies "he hasn't seen JoJo (I read JoJo before DS).
@Chris-jn6zl Joseph can wrap himself in hamon, so can Jonathan. It's literally shown that dio had to become a biologist and learn a whole new power system to kill Jonathan
@@dluxajalt I was talking about a wrong statement by The comment replied to but in the case you suggested, hamon adds durability of wrapped around, it doesn't make you invisible to everything. So even a rock with enough acceleration (Force = mass x acceleration) kill someone wrapped in hamon (he of course won't be able to dodge cause of velocity). Daki (who isn't or wasn't even UM6) was able to destroy town easily, even if you say it was her that clothes thing, UM4 Was able to destroy buildings with gust of wind. So can any UM and also Muzan (much much stronger than UM4). Meaning Muzan can easily dodge Joseph's and Jonathan's attacks and just kill both with gusts of wind.
@@Chris-jn6zl Jonathan sheer force "before Zeppeli gave away Hamon" shaked an entire mountain. We saw nothing like that from Muzan.
Jojo has the worst Art style in all of anime 🤢🙏
which jojo art style? there are multiple
whats wrong with it? and yeah there are multiple
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