Putt Better with one modification to your putter.
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- We have found with a larger amount of golfers that regardless of the putter one change to your putter can help you PUTT BETTER. Watch while we show you what can be done to the putter to allow for more consistent putting.
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Right on. I use a 38” putter counterbalanced and it makes the world of difference in consistency.
Great thought provoking presentation ❤
I am going to research this with my local custom fitter .
Much appreciated.
Great to hear! Keep in mind another weight may work better for you
Great video. I was a #5. Same in all putters. ❤
i bought a stroke lab at a pawn shop. sold my scotty cameron. just smooth and accurate. something to it for sure
possibly the best channel
on the entire internet
Priceless information as always. Thank you, Jim.
Just for clarity although my weight was a #11 in the video any weight can work for different golfers
I always head to the putter section in most golf shops. test numerous putters and such. Two years ago I grabbed an Oddessy #7 mallet with the stroke lab shaft. I was making everything. I spoke with the salesman, looked it up on the internet and needless to say it came home with me. Life changing for my game, was hovering around a 8 hdcp playing to a solid 4-5 now with confidence comes more made putts. Prior to that I had a Monte Carlo mallet with a super stroke grip that had interchangable weights in it, that is what got me thinking.
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I retired the 38” Scotty Cameron 50gram back weighted putter 2 years ago. Shorter putt rolls were automatic & felt like bumper rails to the hole. Longer lag putts were very difficult & I never adapted. It was a heavy putter! Great video
I made 2 changes to improve my putting. I lengthened the shaft almost 2 inches (I have short arms) and added a bit of lead tape till I could really feel the club head. Same idea as you. The longer putter added swing weight automatically and most importantly took a lot of pressure off of my lower back so I could practice more.
Awesome content Jim. Happy Holidays.
Thanks you and see you soon, what do you think of ribs?
I had similar surgery, Doc said sunscreen and brimmed hat! Good video !
Jim, wishing you the best on your treatment.
Thanks its healing well so far
I'm a believer as well. I think I started backweighting 15-20 years ago using the Balance Certified weights, but now I just use inexpensive lead weights under the grip. I was struggling a bit last year until I realized my new putter grip was quite a bit lighter than my previous one so I needed to get a heavier backweight.
Quick question for you, I just switched from a putter to a heavier head putter and want to get the same balance point feel. Thinking about adding lead tape on the grip side to get the swing weight to match my older putter, how did you go about adding your tape to the grip? Did you just do a long strip on the back side of the putter where the grip would go, then add grip tape and install grip on top or did you just put right below the weight where it is exposed (trying to avoid this).
Can't seem to find any examples of this online. I also am installing a BGT stability shaft in this so I'm not sure I can order the butt end weights to fit the carbon end.
Standard putter grips weight ca 50 grams.
Mid and jumbo grips not only increase size of the grip but also increase weight.
How many golfers dont know that it mayt be the counter weighting that improves feel, rather than simply the size of the grip.
Botticelli grips are available in variable weights.
Great video. How about a shaft change on a LAB DF 2.1 putter? That would be an interesting one since LAB highly suggest that you send it back to them to get it right. I double dog dare you to put a bgt stability shaft on one. 😅
The counter balanced shafts out there have changed my driver 3 wood game, seems like effortless distance.
i like them too
I kind of rolled my eyes at these newfangled putter shafts... Until I spent some time with the Odyssey Stroke Lab shaft. Everyone talks about the stiffness and torque but not many talk about the weight distribution. The back weighting and reduction in weight with the graphite means your putter is a "normal" overall weight but the swing weight is actually closer to an old school putter. Feels fantastic.
I’d have to agree. Mr. Toulon was very happy at the improvement when the weight was added
Very interesting.....got me thinking I might try that. I use to put really well with my mallet putter until I went to a super stroke grip. I really enjoy the feel of the grip in my hands, but I feel like the putter head feels really heavy now.
Ss grips come with the cap on the back end it is easy to install a weight the most common from them I believe is the 50g
Great Video, where can i buy these weights?
Great video! I use the Odyssey “Tank” putter which is heavier and has all the weights built in. Love this putter. It has all the benefits that you talk about in your video. I also make more putts. Why do you think Ben Crenshaw had a heavy steel rod put in the shaft of his putter. His putting was not too bad. Lol
The tank was a very popular model the grip was heavy too providing the back weighting and worked great
just took my (cheapo) second choice putter and tried it out, saw enough for me to invest further.
so into the bag and out comes the odyssey 2 ball srt, the drill, taps and r7 limited (max 20g) weight.
drilled the hole SLIGHTLY larger, tapped (threaded) it to m5, and screwed the weight in with the TM tool.
i'm 50% at 14 feet to a FOUR inch target, and the 3 that missed hit the rim.
now all i need is you to tell me how to read breaks correctly, and i'm in business.
BEST OF LUCK WITH YOUR FACE, MATE, AND THANKS.
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Good Stuff Jim, I have had great success with the Storke Lab, I currently use a Scotty Cameron with the large Matador Grip, I'm not sure if it's back weighted or not. But I can't imagine a more comfortable putter.
The larger grip being more in weight could easily be considered as another way of back weighting. The shark and other grips like that were very helpful in the day
Excellent
I have been doing this for years with my tennis rackets by simply putting lead tape in the but end of the racket so it is not head heavy. Never thought about doing it to a putter but will give it a try.
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I think the primary emphasis of adding a weight in the grip end is that it makes the penduum effect almost automatic without effort.
Wishing you good health
Jim I bought a Cleveland putter that I wanted to add weight to putter head. I was going to add tungsten powder. Any idea on how much I should add to start? Is hope your doing well!
where can i get the brass counter weights that you use that slip in the hole of the putter to test which weight is best?
So - please add a section to this video to explain how I could purchase these weights and then how I would have the one I choose added to my shaft
What are the general swingweights of counterbalanced putters?
Could you tell me what gram weight the numbered weights represent in your video? I have some old tour lock counter balancing weights but they are distinguished by grams. Thanks 🙏, great topic.👍👍👍
The represented the number of grams plus 9, I dunno way but 59, 79 99 etc
How do you feel about a Sik blade putter (370g) paired with LA Golf shaft(p series 135)? Thanks in advance!
I have a tomcat 14 and the balance is off when you lay the club on a corner of a table the face drupes on the shaft side. Is there a way to even it up?
Where does one acquire these weights?
Sorry for the essay ahead of time. BUT, FWIW, you’re my new fav golf channel on CZcams. Just subbed 🫡😎… So, I gamed a 2019 Stroke Lab 7s for 4 years, switching over from my 2000 Odyssey White Hot #2 blade. Way better than the original WH. Especially the 2019 microhinge insert. The best insert Odyssey has ever made IMO. However, I was able to try some of the TaylorMade putters from the 2022 Spider GT family and they absolutely floored me. ALL 4 head shapes are FANTASTIC (each available face balanced or w a short slant hosel). Basically I wound up buying the Spider GT Rollback #3 (21 deg of toe hang) and it’s changed my putting. Most of the TM putters with their higher end multi-material heads make the entire range of Odyssey putters look like cheap cast amateur hour. I gamed Odyssey’s for 23 yrs so I feel like I’m qualified to give my 2¢. The Spider GT Rollback is a standard half moon mallet (very Rossie-esque) but has some remarkable features that Odyssey’s and others don’t. Firstly, I hated the Stroke Lab shaft. IMO the “scientific tech” sounds nice on paper but doesn’t perform any better than any other quality stainless shaft. They basically took all the weight out of the middle and made a counterbalanced putter. Weight is your friend w the flat stick, and I just don’t dig it. YMMV. So going back to a step-less, fluted, stainless steel shaft on my TaylorMade (I think KBS makes them) immediately felt better. The real magic in the GT Rollback is the 90 gram tungsten roll bar that wraps around the entire back and rear sides of the mallet head. Crazy high stability and MOI as a result. The head is made of a combo of 6061 aircraft grade aluminum, 304SS, and tungsten (nice machine milling). And the highlight is their new PureRoll2 insert. They use the 6061 as bars cut at a 45 deg angle which rolls the ball to near perfection. I grew to hate the white hot insert over time because it was too soft and had a noticeable sweet spot. The PureRoll2 insert is much more firm, yet still soft and forgiving. It’s funny bc prior to the Spider GT lineup, none of the TM putters appealed to me (Spider X family, etc). Even the 2023 Spider GTx doesn’t excite me and feel the way the 2022 Spider GT family of putters do. I’ve heard the Notchback is phenomenal with even more perimeter tungsten weighting (190 g), and the reg Spider GT seems to be a gem. That’s my next pickup. Their Splitback (fang mallet) looks great too. However much I love the look of the fang putters, I feel like they’re less stable than other mallets due to the removal of weight in the rear. I highly urge anyone to check them out. (PS - I’m also very interested in the Cobra 2021 Vintage lineup. W the materials, SIK face inserts, etc, they look like a helluva deal at their new price of $149 down from $300+. The Torino and Stingray mallets in particular have caught my eye. So have the Mizuno M-Craft mallets. I’d love to add an insert-less, milled putter to the arsenal. WHY? BC too many ppl focus on the wrong end of the bag. Putters and wedges are >>> than drivers/woods/hybrids. Improve your short game and improve your score.) - Pete
I guess my point is I’ve had the opposite results. I personally don’t dig the SL shafts and that counterbalanced feel. Going from the Stroke Lab 7s to the TaylorMade Spider GT Rollback w the stainless shaft has elevated my putting… PARTICULARLY making putts from 7ft and in. But there’s no “right or wrong” when it comes to gear. If it helps you play better, game it. End of 👊🏼😎
Hi Jim what about the flat cat weighted grip and the evnroll gravity? They both come with a built in weight and also have wide, flat sides. I have the gravity on one of my putters but am curious about the flat cat. Any thoughts on the flat cat? If you've tried both then I'd love to hear your thoughts on how they compare. Thanks, have great Xmas and I hope you feel better. Cheers
the flat cat heavy has a weight cap on the integral to the grip. it is another way to the same path. If you like the big flat then it will work
The EvnRoll Gravity grip weights the grip itself with a long steel rod embedded along the back edge of the grip.
correct
A bit off topic or possibly a future conversation / content. I play a well-used set of Muira 001 blades with Nippon shafts I bought used three years ago, and i love them. With that said, they are a bit beat up, especially on the leading edge from stones, cart paths, and bag dings ( nothing on the groves ). I can't afford to buy new clubs from any manufacturer, let alone Muira. QUESTION/s: Is it worth getting clubs reconditioned? Will it change any noticeable characteristics? Have you ever had it done or know anyone that has, and what are your thoughts? Love your content and live shows, thanks, and happy holidays!!!
There used to be a few companies that reconditioned irons, one being the iron factory. They do/did great work so I am told. I dont have an idea of the cost. However, I am told the feel is not lost when they come back. If cost is a consideration I wouldnt recommend it. That said Id contact them, maybe it is.
I have independently verified the effectiveness of this method. Mine: I'm able to move the weight slighy to the toe to prevent closing the face of my putter on the forward stroke. Twice, I used only 13 putts for nine holes. (8 really. The 9th on each was a chip in. Most rounds I need only 16 putts for nine holes)
well done
For me I think the most important thing about your putter is that it's centre shafted. I'm convinced this is key and I cannot find one anywhere. My search continues, but really interested in this back weighting idea, but I'm unclear how you add it. Thank you and Merry Christmas to you
Sub 70 golf has one, $165
SeeMore putters. A lot are centre shafted
makefield, lab golf, mizuno all have center shaft putters.
What would be the gram weight of a #11?
Thanks
Did you consider the fact that you were getting your stroke warmed up with the lighter weights?
I would expect to putt better after 30-40 putts with no changes.
Where might one find your weights? Or just figure something out??
Thanks
Hello sir ,I,luv ur ideas ,great info ,my putting is good ,could b better ,goin to do ur thing in back weighing thx keeo goin
back weighting basically reduces the swing weight and increases the total weight. Is there an optimal total weight. What is the effect if the putter is too light or too heavy.
Idea.. get some copper tap washers. Drill centres out. Use a small bolt to push through centre into grip. Stack the weights to get best test weight.
How would one add this weight? Thanks
I've back weighted all my clubs to various degrees and it can completely change how a club feels and how you perform with it.
Even your irons? I’m assuming just a little bit? Like a 8 gram or 10? I’m into This as well but I’m noticing that if you add back weights it changes the balance point of the club, and so now I have to be cognizant of the swing weight and the balance point? Idk what do you think about balance point?
@@philkirby2692 I went completely nuts tbh. Driver and 4wood I went 8 grams, 21 driving iron is 25 grams, 6 hybrid down to PW is 12 grams, GW is 16grams and LW is at 25 grams. 54 wedge and SW are being reconstructed atm so I don't know about them yet lol.
But yea it definitely does change the balance point along with the swing weight. I've also found adding more weights makes the shaft slightly less stiff. Imo it just depends on what feels right in the hands. I use the Tourlock pro+ backweights since you can just buy a bunch, try them and switch em out for the right swingweight / feel. And when it comes to higher balance point I think it just helps to make the club less effort to swing. That's just me though :P
@@Magicmeatbag cool, I won’t obsess over the balance point yet then, thanks for the info, and dang even in your wedges cool! I wonder if backweighting the wedges gets you more spin cool idea! Ha! Alright off to the testing grounds
To back weight my putter I bought a large retaining pin that would fit just into the shaft, ground down the domed end flat and the diameter down to match the shaft and then built up the pin diameter to a snug fit with masking tape.
a good alternative
What are the weights of the 7 and 11????
Good stuff. On another matter, I've never been fitted for clubs. At 6'1 with hands falling between knees and waist like most people and not being short or long armed, will I likely be fitted for standard length clubs? My dad was a club pro in late 60s to early 80s. His Palmer Originals custom made 1" over standard were handed down to me as he told me that's the length I need. I hit behind the ball to often and it's time to give up those old blades and go game improvement irons. I'm a 15 handicapper with those 50 yr old irons. They were reconditioned many years ago, but its way past time to move on....
Clay, I'd say I would agree on your assessment. 6'1" is becoming common place nowadays and with standard length arms it will really depend on your swing plane if flatter a bit longer wont hurt however if upright then shorter may be called for in length
@@McGolf thank you, and yes I do stand more upright as my father said the same. Playing with 1971 butter knifes isnt helping me either. I did learn how to strike the ball using these irons. Dad was correct....learn to play with these and you can strike anything. I'm looking forward to a better set of clubs. Not quite game improvement iron bulkiness, but somewhere in between. I will get fitted soon. Thanks, and I appreciate your work and vids👍
lead tape?? I have added some to the bottom of the putter thinking I should put on the back of the putter to see how it works
Phil you’ll not be the first person to put the tape under the grip. Lol. Another way to get there is the plastic inserts then add weight and grip. Golf works had a tour lock unit that is the competitor to the balance certified
4:09 5 Pound weight? Is it made of Osmium?
Interesting. What if one were to put weighted extensions off the top of the shaft, like the pole a tight rope walker would use? I know it sounds preposterous and may even look funny, but that definitely balances them out as they try and maintain a straight line. You love to tinker so there's an out of the box idea for you to noodle on.
The extension is a neat idea. As long as the extension doe not touch you while putting I can’t think of a rule that would make it illegal. There is a weight that super stroke and balance certified have/had that was a longer model and in some could be adjusted to a length to give the putter a different feel without stick out the back.
I combed the web and was unsuccessful finding the weights Jim was using ...help!
I've done this with various weights. It works for a few rounds but then I seem to lose the feel for the head. That's why I like the super stroke grips where you can swap out weights. Wonder if I added weight to the head and grip if it would still work
Finding the proper balance is a thing, that’s what is being done using the stroke lab in the odyssey putters. Be careful not to keep adding for the sake of adding
The Heavy putters that came out years ago work similar to this concept, just never seemed to catch on
I thought heavy putters were heavier heads, not in the grip?
Have you tried counterweighting a Ping Chipr?
Can’t say I have but if control is a bit of a problem it could help
Grab an Evnroll gravity grip.
70gm added to the grip under the hands.
I swapped out for one six months after I purchased an Evnroll putter and I will never go back to a regular pistol grip again.
Is that not the TOP of the grip? He described the whole time as putting the weight on the BACK of the putter. I'm a little confused.
So counter balancing irons would do the same thing? If so, what is the most common weight you use to counterweight an iron (a starting point for me)
It can BUT,,,, I dont see the same high percentage success results as i do in putters
Jack Nicklaus counter balanced all his irons, so do a lot of the tour pros
My irons are all counterbalanced too
Where are u locatd
Where are u located
I have a GoLo 6 Scotty putter and would like to try counterbalancing it. According to a video I saw from Scotty himself, he said most players preferred 50 grams in the butt and 50 in the head. How would I go about trying this out? Could I simply put a 17 in. flatso 3.0 on a 38 in shaft, much like the Ricky/Wyndham movement, then add certain weights to the head? Or would I need a counterbalance weight as well in the butt?
if the scotty is standard it is porbably 35 inches long. You have to extend or reshaft the putter. then install the bigger grip. Scotty probably makes the putter head heavier for them. This is assuming the golo does not have weight to change. for your model lead tape will be required.
Does evenroll gravity grip do the same?
Yes it does! The gravity grip have the weight nearer the fingers and the shape also helps
Looks like a weight found inside the buffer weight housing of most direct impingement gas powered rifles…
Lessons and practice.
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Buy a SeeMore. That did it for me.
How short is too short for a putter? My putter has a counter balance weight but because I grip low on the grip, it feels odd. My putter is a 32” cut down to 30” and I’m still at the bottom of the Super Stroke grip.
You can cut down a steel shafted putter. With a Odyssey Stroke Lab they strongly, strongly advise not to try to cut that shaft down. But you can order a 30" or lower I believe. You need to call them though to do that.
Thanks. Where can order these weights?
Golfworks has the competitors weights that work just the same. The company I use is call balanced certified. balancecertified.com/
@@McGolf I love the simple application of the brass weights you used in the video. Does anyone sell that style anymore?
How do you add the weight permanently once you found a weight you like?
i keep the installed backweight, I can always take it out if I were to change putters.
One of the things I noticed was that the distance of your front foot to the putter head was not consistent and actually your putter head was farther away from your feet with the #11 weight
The biggest change to improve my putting would be to have Ben Crenshaw do it for me.
It’s my understanding Jack Nicklaus back weighted his clubs. I don’t know if he did the same to his putter.
I’ve talked to his clubmaker in the macgregor days and yes he did. The putter I don’t know either.
0:54 just a heads up, Jim there’s some weird kind of closed captioning at this point in the video
Thanks
How will that work if your putter is not on 0 degrees flat on the ground
it should work the same. more consistent
The hole position should be moved for each weight as you become accustomed to the line.
why didn't you pan out so we could see your hands arms etc whilst putting?
Jim, you intentionally used the phase, "get the weight underneath the hands." It's my understanding that you are counter balancing the top of the putter shaft. What do you mean when you use the word "underneath"? In my mind, with the counter weight at the top of the shaft, it would put the weight above your hands and not underneath or below your hands. Of course I'm being very literal. Do you mean get the weight in our hands? Any additional insite you can share with me on this is greatly appreciated. And thank you! Another great video. You've become a fantastic source of golf information and anyone that's serious about their golf game can benefit from most of the content you share.
it depends on where you grip the putter for under the hands. if the back hand is at the top of the grip then by definition it is under the hands or hand. I say hands because there are longer models that place the weight further into the shaft of the club.
A question from Down Under... is this an American thing by standing on the opposite side of the ball when putting?
whoops, i thought this video was about how to be a Butt Petter... my search continues...
When I saw this, I thought it said Butt Petter
I have skin cancer too. Sorry it hurts a lot when they remove it.
I found this made the putter totally unbalanced. If the manufacturer found this was beneficial they would manufacture putters accordingly. I think you have to be very careful recommending this alteration.
Jim ... did you get attacked by the dermatologist? They have a nasty habit of doing that to people ... Hope it turns out well for you.
I did lol. My doctor is a golfer and while performing his duties I get to here about all the cool places he’s visited since my last visit. Thanks
@@McGolf I hope you get some of your money back from the doctor by home getting clubs made through you
My guess before watching… Smaller grip. Golf has preached big grips to take the hands out of the stroke and that’s killed feel
The statement is not wrong, bigger grips do tend to take hands out of the equation to a point where a very large grip can be detrimental, I think we are seeing a flattening of that idea where yes a larger grip is better but not stupid big
Edit this shorter. It is way too tedious
Sorry I don't buy it. That test is is based on your ability to perform exactly the same every time. Clutching at straws. !!!!!!!
Back of the club means putting into the grip end? Pretty confusion LONG winded and poor explanation
Just teach me to putt as well as you and I'll be in the 70s most rounds