What if Johnny Silverhand met Mr. House?
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- Somewhere in the distant future, the Cyberpunk Johnny Silverhand meets and debates Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas.
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Getting back to some debate videos, hope you enjoyed this one.
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Do you know between Johnny and house they both have interesting points of their own views, but there’s a little bit of backlash between them house wants order, and Johnny wants chaos
And could you add a debate between the emperor of imperium of man with Mr. house? I’m curious to see what these two are talk about
“Wake the fuck up Couier, we got a wasteland to rule!”
So Johnny mysteriously disappeared during the siege and now he is in the Mojave
Pretty picture
Yep he is
“Play it again, Johnny…”
"Can any of these people give me a simple 'hello, my name is X' before challenging me to a debate?
I'm keeping my humors in balance to avoid passing away before giving humanity the bright future we need all while managing a bastion of civilization in an a nuclear wasteland. I think I'm entitled to some politeness from guests."
it's like a philosophical version of the 'Cell vs' videos TFS did and DevilArtemis made a whole channel off of.
@@MarkoDash I've seen it, though I admit the more out-there videos he's done since are more appealing, especially the last season of Superfriends as they took on the Mouse. It's impressive to see how his animation has improved over time, too.
We might have a grander narrative but we’re not losing the classics
Johnny Silverhand: People like you play god and drop nukes on people.
Also Johnny Silverhand: Literally Nukes Arasaka tower killing over 15,000 innocent civilians and destroying large areas of Night city because his girlfriend (whom he cheated on) died.
Johnny cont.: With help from another corp Militech , the same corp that now controls the NUSA , the group that cost him his arm ...petty boy
Are these comments suppose to mean something? The intentions and rationales are different so this discussion can end pretty quickly. I'm also sure johnny didn't nuke anything he just went on that mission to rescue alt.
@@Godloveszaza only someone who hasn’t played the game would say that. Or otherwise did played the game but was too busy shoving your thumb up your ass and wiggle than actually pay attention.
@@Godloveszazahave you not played the game? He literally says in the blackwall quest that alt becoming a construct and saying goodbye to him forever is the whole reason why he nuked the arasaka tower
Never mind the fact that the one who nuked Arasaka tower wasn't actually him in the first place. Johnny twisted events around to make himself out to be the hero. HIs mind was going stir crazy in Arasaka's digital prison. Even AI Alt tells you that what Johnny says is not what actually happened.
Mr. House could have won this discussion by saying. I don't force people to live in my city or do things they don't want to do. They can come and go as they please as long as they keep the peace. So all people you see here are here of their own free will.
Could he really? I mean johnny coulda simply reply
"Of course you would say that, just like every other corpo trash that washes their hands saying the classic "but i dont force them to do it" lie, you just dont give them a choice"
I dont think it would change much, as Mr. House's own actions prove that to be a white lie at best: Much like the corporations of Night City, Mr. House manufactures your consent through manipulation and coercion, and resorts to force when neither of those work. He made the entirety of Vault 18 homeless and dependent by filling their vault with Concrete, all to prevent anyone from threatening his seat of power. And he has no hesitation with ordering the destruction of anyone he considers to be "unreasonable" and in his way.
This isn't completely true. Its true in that's whats going on at the start of New Vegas, but when House becomes Top Dog, he brings everyone in the Mojave under his rule.
They could have left Night City too but they didn’t
@@charles2703 Actually, you can't; not easily. Night City Border Control has a "shoot on exit" rule for the common man.
Would love to see House debate one or more of the Nomad leaders.
"Ashes are better than chains"
I disagree, chains can be broke reforged into something new something better, ashes are ashes and nothing more
Ashes are great fertilizer
Ashes fertilize and grow new forests. Chains will level those forests.
Sliverhand is a hypocrite. Ego moves him too. While acting like a savior.
A Marxist would call him an Adventurist. A poser in revolutionary's clothes.
All anarchists are hypocrites. They either pave the way for governments that are objectively worse then what they try to tear down, or they become the dictators they foamed at the mouth against.
Johnny never acted like a savior nor claimed to be. In the game he believes to kill god you have to be god. The comments seem to misunderstand johnnys character probably because the video did.
Johnny sounds like he literally wants the DUST mod.
And people who have played it know how stupid that is
Both of them are right and wrong. The only thing they care about this making themselves looking like the hero instead of genuinely doing good.
Your writing for both of them is so damn spot on. So damn spot on.
The funny thing is with House is that he doesn't care about how people govern themselves outside of Vegas as long as money flows into the Strip (his business).
I am sure he could be convinced (for a small fee of course) to help in establishing a power Vegas nation to rival the NCR at their peek.
He just wants to progress humanity, that's literally all he wants to see happen.
@@triplecrosscounterMy point exactly. Maybe he can be narcissistic, but he actually has a plan, long lasting and well written one. He doesn't intend to repeat glory of the past like NCR or legion, he wants to use what's left of it to create something new and bring prosperity. He understands that politics and greed is what brought world to an end
His epilogue proves otherwise when he takes over the entire Mojave.
I wonder if House would get along with the Emperor of the Imperium of Man. Hell I'd love to see those 2 debate on...say...Leadership or Humanity's Goals or even Control as well!
Now that will be an interesting debate between those two, because I’m curious to see what sort of viewpoints we could see between them
@@Cutiepie-mf4ht Right?!
Granted, Ive never played 2077 so I may be a bit bias but I'd lean more towards House.
Yes, without the drive for freedom, we'd be in a dystopia. Yet, without control and leaders, we'd have nothing but anarchy.
Ironically, I think Silverhand and House would thrive in the others respective environments. House would probably take over Nighty City in a year, Silverhand would probably become the equivalent of The King, a reputable figurehead amongst the common people.
The pre-war Fallout US sounded even more ruthless and cutthroat than Night City, House would have thrived
@hughjanus2935
I mean, you are not wrong their look at Vault tec and their experiment inside in the vault, from white noise to sacrifice experiment, or the us government and the F.E.V or nuclear waste dropping.
Good point mate
Johnny may be a bad guy at times but he’s not wrong considering that he joined a corp and lost a lot of what he saw, he saw how they corrupt and abuse and how they use it against others, so he’s not wrong and with others he cared about he was just vengeful, especially after he lost Alt and him being a jerk at times
Also great to see this kind of work, love your videos and hope maybe we can see more Arthur Morgan and more
My thoughts exactly
You goddamn LEGEND.
This is what happens when you have wild wild wasteland turned on
I miss these kinds of videos. I wonder if you'll do one with the Illusive Man and House.
I don't think there would be much debate, they're too similar.
@@Warhammer_lover How about their methods to approach their goals?
@@paytonturner1421 their methods are the same, house just managed to do what Illusive man tried to do at the end of ME3. Basically, House is a better Illusive man, cause he managed to almost entirely remove the unpredictable human factor from his operations.
Mr.house would make him a deal of moving him away from earth and rebuild fallout earth
@@Warhammer_lover And because the writers didn't hamfist House to be a villain like Cerberus got treated for ME3.
Just by watching this makes want to play New Vegas again
My only complaint is that Johnny cares about his legacy too, so his comment on ego is hypocritical.
Other than that, both are portrayed beautifully. And Johnny is right
Johnny is a known hypocrite and, under the right circumstances, you can prove it to him in Cyberpunk 2077
Missed opportunity for Johnny to say “You’re just a ghost in a shell” lmaoo
What about Johnny talking to Handsome Jack's construct from "Tales From The Borderlands"?
One last idea for me. This is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL and I really don’t expect this to be included into the mainstay series you’ve crafted so far- but what would either Venom Snake or Solid Snake have to contribute as an infiltrator/field commander for the Courier’s forces against The Entity?
I know we already have Boon (sniper), Kratos (heavy melee), Geralt (specialist?) and Frank (soldier), but I feel like the team would benefit from a covert ops/commando-type individual who’s familiar with conventional weapons/CQC. As for the broader narrative of working it into possibility, I could see the Courier convincing Venom or Solid in assisting him to join his team. Both could be convinced into fighting for what’s at stake, with a few nuanced differences depending on who you’d go with in relation to their histories.
As for data training, there’s plenty of audio across Hayter’s performance of Solid across 1 & 2, (and BB for 3 & PW) and for Venom, Kiefer Sutherland also voiced Sgt. Roebuck from CoD WAW, in addition to dialogue from TPP.
Whether you consider this idea is totally up to you (and I was genuinely shocked by Silverhand’s appearance this morning!), and I cannot wait to see where this amazing series goes next.
well... at least they didn't try to kill each other.... yet
I love cyberpunk 2077 and fallout, new Vegas this was great to find and fun to watch.
To Couriers Gambit / can you try make a audio of Vega from the Doom series or the Doomslayer himself ?
"Freedom without laws means anarchy; laws without freedom means tyranny." Major Tanya Von Degerachaff
When the naziloli say that?
“Immortality, locked in metal box for all of eternity?” Unintentional foreshadowing for Shadow The Hedgehog.
How does this sound so good?!
What both don’t get is that both are right in their own ways, and that they aren’t exactly alike with what they’ve encountered.
House sees just another freak clinging to the past much like Legion, NCR and the Independence seekers.
Johnny sees another suit who’s got his fingers in so many pies, he’s got eyes and ears everywhere controlling things from the shadows.
House had to grab power from the ones at Vault-Tec. Of course for his own selfish reasons, but it’s two sided. So long as he prospers, so do those of New Vegas, and the surrounding communities.
Johnny indeed craves for the people to be free, to have the choice to help make the world a better place, to fight those who seize power unfairly.
House however had to due to the simple fact everybody in that conference room was plotting to doom everything humanity had built up to that point. It was either grab what power he could, or let the people around him perish. Sure it was for his own plans, sure he hasn’t got the best interest of his people in mind at all times, but the matter of fact is that he saved them.
I can wholeheartedly agree with Johnny’s values, most assuredly. But I cannot picture Vegas being just another radioactive crater. In times of crisis, times of War, times of hardship, a leader must step up and reign things in. It’s how things have always been, due to the simple fact it works. If there was a council, it would bog things down to the point it wouldn’t get anything done. Look at the Brotherhood.
When the Vault Dweller first ventured into their bunker, High Elder John Maxson was warning the council of strange goings on of sightings of Super Mutants. The council disagreed, saying it was mere superstitions, and continued bogging it down. They had to *Outsource* for gods sake.
Trying to justify taking House down, right now is like shirking your responsibilities. I don’t agree with House on many things, but he’s the best we got. He may be from the Old World, but he’s the only one thinking forward.
Edit: I often see people asking why don’t the best and brightest of us get into politics? Often times it’s because they’re smart enough to know that it’s a bad choice. Because of the opposition, the backlash, the problems with the current system. But what happens when you take away that system, the opposition, and all the things holding them back? New Vegas is an excellent example.
To your edit, I think House and Lex Luthor said it best
House: “If you want to see the state of democracy, look outside the window”
Luthor: “Do you know how much power I’d have to give up to be President?”
@@cipherxi8513Both are wildly successful businessmen. Both had agendas outside of politics, and the moment they stepped into their respective rings, they shook everything up.
Lex nearly ended everything by provoking the League.
House showed just what a smart person could do when it came to politics.
When pushed, House will take action. Luthor will do anything to piss off the big blue Boy Scout.
Excellent comment
@@cipherxi8513 I would argue though that pre war america was not a democracy in any sense of the word, even though I myself kinda disagree with modern liberal democracies... and china well from what i've seen from china is that they're pretty much a maoist hell hole that never had deng's reforms, and is stuck in a permanant cultural revolution.
As a random tidbit, I’d say that House, is akin to Nicholas If-Jesus-Christ-Had-Not-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hads’t-Been-Damned Barbon. Yes he’s greedy, but both saw destruction, and opportunity. The Fire of London left people homeless, and the Great War destroyed people’s lives. Both, technically have committed illegal acts, but what would the Government do to undo it? Both, are greedy businessmen, whose works show that they know, exactly what they’re doing. They’re both smart enough to get what they’d want, and in their respective times, succeeded.
Meanwhile V and courier are just playing a game of caravan
They're becoming cyberpsycjos by listening to Skippy, Stealth Suit MK2, Johnny's engram and cyberdog all talking and barking to eachother at the same time while Delamain is trying to calm them in their trip from Novac to Vegas
Having no government just wouldn't work out for anything outside of a small town. People like to complain about it & all, & that's fine, but wishing for no government at all is just foolish, for many reasons.
Now that was an interesting video.
I just realized just how alike Johnny and Ulises are.
Winner: House
The video appeared to give Johnny more leeway to swing at House from multiple creative directions while House appeared more rigid in his arguments, but the point still stands that Johnny couldn't refute House's points nor did Johnny even once provide humanity with a alternative tangible plan that provided the same or even better qualities House provided (not just comfort or security but PURPOSE and legacy). All Johnny could do was piss and moan, slander and fearmonger, but what has Johnny actually done for anyone? House defended himself against Johnny's attacks whereas Johnny NEVER DEFENDED HIMSELF, which strongly indicates everything said about House is questionable whereas everything said about Johnny is true (thus by that alone House gets the Win). Not once could Johnny object and say how he helped anyone. Johnny just bitched over and over throughout this vid. He bitched about how "men in suits like House" launched the Nukes ... BUT SO DID JOHNNY!!! House didn't launch anything, yet Johnny actually did, and Johnny has the gall to paint "corpos" as evil bastards cuz some of them launched Nukes, but that would also mean people like Johnny who preach "freedom" are just as (potentially) evil as the corpos. Johnny should be more mindful before casting stones. Also Johnny bitched about people taking control of people's lives ... this coming from the same guy who took control of V's body even while V was still alive! Johnny could argue that V voluntarily gave up control of his body, but the same applies to every person who volunteers to live their lives in House's domain. House didn't 'take', he merely rebuilt and offered Las Vegas, which Johnny slandered as a "prison" despite you're free to leave, just as Johnny was free to leave Night City on a bus ride (but even before then he could've collected the $$$$ royalties from his Samurai band and then got out of Dodge but he decided to spend that money to play Terrorist). He could've led the masses out of Night City like Moses leading his people out of Egypt and formed a whole new Nomad Nation or something to live their lives as "free," but as House laid out in a haymaker: _Johnny is only interested in destruction, not creation._
(In fact, the only thing Johnny appears to have ever created in his life was a rock band, which let's not forget that he walked away from. House on the other hand appears far more dedicated to not just maintaining his creation but also harbors a stronger sense of duty to his fellow man. House appears selfless, even as going as far to say 'No' to Death just to remain to help humanity, whereas Johnny's sense of duty appears to be no more than "tear shit down" with no further plan insight. It's like Johnny doesn't even want to "adult," he just wants to be Peter Pan.)
In the end, Johnny only offers fantasies while House provides tangible solutions. People vote with their feet, they could live an ideal "free" life in the Badlands as Nomads or in the Wastelands, but whether it be in video games or in real life, people overwhelmingly choose to live in civilizations from monarchies to republics. When a visionary comes along with actual solutions and the people in return reward him for it, Johnny throws a tantrum like a bitter angry man without anything else to offer.
Therefore, the ol' saying remains undefeated: HOUSE WINS
Honestly this is great.
Though I love MR house and I think his the most viable option currently. But the glazing on the man by the fan base is insane to me.
I didn't chose House because I fully bought in to his vision his a business man after all. But because he was the most realistic and stable option out of all of them but I really don't believe his "good" but I also don't think his your classic TV villain.
Do I think he will send orbitial space craft in 100 years, defently no, but do I think he would be able to stabilize most of the Mojavie and maintain some resemblance of order in a nuked out world?
Yes it honestly plays to what you value the most do you value freedom but freedom to do What? To die in the waste and eating boiled Brahmin testicles till you finely fall to luchmia, or do you Value secerety but you have no say at what goes and your just an eternal lap dog to some rich philanthropist.
What makes dieing in the waists any better than living under some God king who says what goes?
It genuinely falls under what you believe in the most as you don't have the luxury to really chose both option without giving up both.
Or at least giving up 1 of the options. The NCR are just freedom but without the secerity and they would invetible rot. And the Legion is just slavery for short term security that will last till the moment Casers dies.
Mr house reoresent tge both bad and the good of this conflict hance why vegas is in the middle of the NCR and Legion, Want freedome? Ok the door is right there good luck eating Brahmin shite curry in that deserrt of a Hell hole.
And Johnny shouldn't even be talking the guy Nuked half of night city that killed 15 000 people for a girlfriend who died after he cheated on her. Bro is just a more hypocritical version of Ulysses, at least Ulysses knew what he was getting himself in to and carried that weight fully understanding the philosophy he renders under his actions even if flawed and he never claimed to be some moral arbiter.
Ulysses knew what he was and carried that responsibility.
Johhny is out here pulling *"why do you get to decide who lives and dies"* and than imditly decides who lives and dies. And he had the gawll to pull an *"oops my bad guys I didn't know so many innocent people would get hurt"* which indicates the man doesn't have a rendering idea and philosophy he hoped to get by killing all those people, and just doing everything he does because he operates of his feelings and doesn't really have an actual plan on what to do after. Like a true zealet.
The House always wins after all.
Honestly as a Ulysses simp when he met house he was able to point out the fundamentals and flaws of Houses ideals and how it would realistically reflect the realities of the wasteland using pretty well researched fundamentals of how a society would and would not operate putting House in a stalement as they both gain a mutual agreement and coming to an understanding with out wanting to admit.
He does not love House and fully understand why people flock to vegss not denying house on his ideas on security or death. He knows what your average plebian of the wastes would choose if given the option. And still managed to hold his own against House.
With Ulysses actualy indirectly understanding Hegalian dielitics better than freaking Caser based of his own understanding and experiences he gained while living in the wasteland and yet Ulysses is a tribal without a formal education and doesn't even know the formal terminologies or definition, that make up Hegals idea and yet still understands the function.
Ulysses had the right Equation and formula but got the wrong awnser awnser.
Johnny is a Home less rock star who steals VAs for a living and doesn't even know what his bitching and complaining about, and decides in order to stop the Corpos he needs to blow up Half of night city to save night city.
Hero of the people Johnny silverhand every one🙄
Even Ulysses is more methodically logical in how he came to his conclusion and actyualy knows what his getting himself into, despite more or less wanting to do the same thing Johnny ended up doing.
@@CopeSeethorntin there is no perfect system to live under, but some are definitely far better than others. When it comes to Fallout, House does appear to be the best choice given the limited options. That said, despite all I said in my original post, liberty and freedom are important and should be regarded as sacred, but even anarchists (who Johnny is supposed to personify) understand that man has gotta have a Code and follow a set of even basic rules like "don't be evil." But not everyone has matching moral codes, thus as the quote from the film Master & Commander said "man must be governed," which means there's always going to be someone making the rules.
So long as that's the case, being ruled under a Computer even one like House doesn't appear like a bad idea. A computer won't sleep with the secretary, embezzle money, get hooked on drugs, accept a bribe, or any of the many faults humans have that have ruined leaders or tarnished countries. A computer would make its decisions based on pure logic. But ideally being ruled by a computer would have to be a computer intentionally designed with strong moral boundaries so it doesn't go full Ultron. In the case of House, I don't see any sign of him going Ultron so that's already a relief. Doesn't mean life under House would be flawless, but at least I have the option to leave if it doesn't suit me anymore.
But if the choice was strictly between House or Johnny Silverhand, it's not even close. Johnny not only has no actual plan or model to offer, he is as you pointed out just as inhumane as the corpos he villainizes. House is a builder and a realist, Silverhand is a destroyer and a rebel ... it's not hard to figure out which one would be better suited to help rebuild civilization to help mankind prosper either pre or post nuclear apocalypse.
Love the writing.
It would be so interesting to see Johnny talk to Punisher, Kratos and the others.
When Order falls Chaos shall reign, but from Chaos, Order shall rise anew
We need a debate between David Martinez and V (Corpo, Nomad, or Streetkid)
Johnny Silverhand vs. Shadow The Hedgehog.
Half a joke, half serious; that would be interesting either way!
Johnny going gonk on a brother. :)
Silver hand talking about ghosts and what happens when you’re gone is kind of rich, ain’t it choom?😊
While I don't have a clue as to what characters to have hold this debate (maybe mgs big boss and someone else) but I would love to see a debate about the balance between conforming to the expectations of society versus the act of creating your own place in the world.
Nice
The problem with Johnny's argument here is that the situation of the Mojave is entirely different from Night City. The Mojave is a post-apocalypse where everyone is struggling to survive and you're lucky to be doing anything more than living to the next day. While the people who destroyed it are like those ruling Night City, House has always focused on the bigger picture, rather than just tightening his grip.
There aren't any good options here, the NCR is corrupt and inefficient, Caesar's Legion is tyrannical and slave-lording, and the other factions aren't much better. House isn't a good guy, and in a more ideal world, or even Night City, I'd side with Johnny, but this isn't an ideal world. Sometimes you have to pick your poison, and House, in an objective sense, is the best option for humanity as of right now, as his plan to colonize other planets will allow humanity more settlements and freedom to create their own civilizations and governments.
Johnny's hypocritical in many ways, and he's more similar to House than he'd admit. He hates House for enforcing his will on the people, but isn't burning it down to the ground just him enforcing his will in return. He says that he stands for freedom, but what will he say to those who agree with House and side with him instead, who depend on House's vision to give them a better chance. Sure, you could say they should find they're own path... but this isn't a world where you have any freedom at all. In the Mojave, what people want is security, stability, order, and a clear path forward, something House provides. What's Johnny have as an alternative. Raider tribes, an anarchist commune?
Johnny has no business leading, he's a self-destructive rebel who stands against authority for equally selfless and selfish reasons, as much because he hates anyone ordering him around as he does oppressive governing.
I'm not sure if you even take or care for requests but ever since I've seen your videos, I have come up with at least one idea for a video.
It would be Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7 Remake/Rebirth talking to the Punisher about the need to let go of one's past.
If you look at them, they have some similarities to each other, they both lost love one(Frank's Family, Tifa's father) to evil, both fight for a cause(Frank's war on crime, Tifa working of Avalanche) and are both skilled fighters in their own way.
The only difference is that Frank is stuck in his past and lost in the violence of his war, whereas Tifa might linger in the past to a degree but she hasn't lost herself in it.
I could see the two crossing paths in the Wasteland and discussing this, with Tifa trying to convince Frank that he needs to let go of his past and move on to a better way of fighting. Of course, Punisher will brush this off, saying it's too late for him.
Regardless if you use this or not, keep up the good work my friend. Been a fan since I saw Joshua and Punisher talk!
Huh i aspected johnny curse a little more but i quite enjoy it
House really needs to lock the door so not every literal who can come barging in every week.
Word om the street is Johnny popped out of nowhere one day om the side of the road to goodsprings, lucky for him the caravan picked him up, next thing you know he's packing his gun and his cigarettes and taking a one way trip to the strip, story has it after this conversation he headed down back to freeside to sulk about his new setting and situation inside an old bottle of tequila.
If anyone wants more of these under all the people who confronted house over the last few months, give me a hell yeah.
Honestly Johnny would make a good follower and can definitely fit in fallout pretty easily. He's just a very "special" syth. 😊
Silverhand is stupid in this debate
Kinda is in Silverhand’s nature to be so anti-corporate he’s blind to difference. That’s not exactly “stupid” for a debate.
@@thespecialist3608 he didn't look outside the window? The Mojave is a radiation baren monster filled hellscape. If the only argument he's got is "corporation bad" without examining that the alternative is basically the fallout dust ending then in my opinion he is stupid.
@@spacenguns Right, but I don’t think Gambit wrote this debate intending for him to be a fixture in the main series. Look at the newest video, he’s much more self-aware of his surroundings and ties his experience into the grander narrative of the series.
@@thespecialist3608 yea i understand he is ment to be the unwanted intruder. And no hate to the channel i think he did an amazing job. He got me to return to playing new Vegas again. I just don't see how this is a debate. Mabe silverhand could have argued that house would eventually be corrupted with power. That all people eventually will be corrupted by power over the masses.
Wonder how Johnny would react to andrew ryan that guys the worst of the worst
Looks like the courier found the wrong chip
3:50 some mistakes are to costly on a personal and on a society lewel. "Ups, a just poluted the wather suply for 2M people for 200K year." Yhea no, we need rules and guidance, just make shure the rules are made fair and by the rigth people, and that they are upheld. We need to learn of the mistake of others because we can not afford to learn them al ower again.
Mr. house got my vote. He isn't forcing anybody to stick around, anybody that wants to can leave the place and he won't stop them... in addition he offers a place to stick around with the only demand being to stick to the rules... which aren't even that bad. Anything else, atleast at the beginning, is none better than the rest of the wasteland.
House could have countered Johnny, by stating he has no interest in leading, nor a savior. All he really wanted, was to send humanity into space. That was literally it. All Mr. House wanted was to colonize space, because he believes/knows he can.
Amazing
So this is what Johnny was doing while he was still on the biochip? just playing fallout new vegas until the biochip got plugged in?
That… doesn’t sound too bad actually…
All Mr. House had to bring up was the yes man ending by saying, "Without me at the helm, humanity will spiral out of control, look out to the wasteland, and you'll see what total anarchy will achieve, when all the rules and social constructs are tossed aside. I must credit the Followers though, even though they tried to hack into my network, and I don't think giving knowledge to all tribals is good or you get men like Caesar, they try to do good, however they are to focused on their main goal to realize they cannot achieve it through the pits along the way, by my calculations, they have a 85.45% chance of failure as they have exhausted too many resources to the Freeside locals who fall right back into their addictions by the same tribals they taught medicine too. I predict if they don't change their ways soon, their endeavors will lead to them being overwhelmed and needing to go back to NCR territory. It doesn't help either that they poke the bear by stealing resources like power and water from the few buildings and pipes left standing before the war."
I like this
normally I would side with johnny, but house brings up some fine points
THIS IS A REAL DEBATE
The problem I have with Mr House is that he sounds too much like a visionary, and we all know what happens to visionaries and their future.
That’s just makes no sense. If people don’t want to get involved with House or Strip they can live a free life. They can live without it. Simply by scavenging, trading, farming. And we are not even talking about raider option.
The only factor I could possibly think of is electricity from Helios and Dam. But again, do the prime or any other city have resources and people to rule it all? To fix and maintain? I think no.
What kind of power House have outside the strip? We haven’t seen any signs of him elsewhere. Except the Hoover Dam.
As corpos go, I'd rather work for House than any of the corpos from the Cyberpunk-verse.
Johnny had many points and I agree with him more than house and isn’t house ending the bad one.
The funny thing is that House gaves people freedom, the freedom to go and play they're money on gambling machines and have confidence on the Luck itself just for loosing all they're money gambling and loosing all that hard earned money on a post apocalíptic world in wich just having clean water its a forgotten luxury.
Silver hand its fixed to an vision of democracy wich is impossible.... a one in wich the individual chooses his fate due to the individual falling and learning trough the way... wich is impossible, some individuals learn but majority of people like the recursive path of: Next time would be better, next time my party will do it better.
House on the other hand understands that the only real freedom that people want in fact its a shared vision of: Being a lucky one, having a win win situation...
And not realities like: we can't afford this or that even if we win it will take an inmense amount of effort to rebuild that or this.....
The truth is: the game is rigged from the start, democracies call it freedom, casinos call it luck....
But the croupier only gaves you and the other players ones on the table cards for a game, a game in wich don't matter that you win or loose, the house always win.
Democracies are afraid of dictators such as Julious caesar, because he reshaped Rome from a corrupted Republic to an empire with universal aspirations.
And corporations usually are afraid of visionaries "in this way I reffer to inventors" that can change the game completely destroying the market getting on the table a new product that makes every other one product to look cheap... such it could be Fusion, hydrogen...
Watever yo choose someone is getting money by the first time you step on a casino same happens with democracy. Their game based on illusions moves the money the reality of the voter or gambler, only makes this 2 ones to loose it.
Between the two I find House to be in the right. And Hoise is right on one thing well. Johnny does nothing but destruction with no plan. And to be fair, for him to destroy without asking what the people want makes him just as much as a tyrant as those he opposes. Who is he to decide thst others should live in chaos?
Rebellion without goal is pointless as history always shows with worst-case out. I can't see handsome Rockstar becoming a farmer in a world without government. Either he becomes a raider or gets shot by a raider. Strong will take advantage of chaos and create their owe order. 9 out of 10 are likely evil. House is not forcing people to live in Las Vegas and allow most people to stay regardless of their criminal past, very open-minded of him. House should have challenged him to a bet to run a town without rules or fans and see how long before he gets shot or becoming boss. Also, becoming a raider leader counts as a lost. As letting your men do as they please and raiding farmer is not same as run town. Killing count as enforcement of law. Town must have a population of a thousand, and if 500 are gone or become criminals , it is also lost.
Silverhand would survive the Mojave fs
Honestly this is great.
Though I love MR house and I think his the most viable option currently. But the glazing on the man by the fan base is insane to me.
I didn't chose House because I fully bought in to his vision his a business man after all. But because he was the most realistic and stable option out of all of them but I really don't believe his "good" but I also don't think his your classic TV villain.
Do I think he will send orbitial space craft in 100 years, defently no, but do I think he would be able to stabilize most of the Mojavie and maintain some resemblance of order in a nuked out world?
Yes it honestly plays to what you value the most do you value freedom but freedom to do What? To die in the waste and eating boiled Brahmin testicles till you finely fall to luchmia, or do you Value secerety but you have no say at what goes and your just an eternal lap dog to some rich philanthropist.
What makes dieing in the waists any better than living under some God king who says what goes?
It genuinely falls under what you believe in the most as you don't have the luxury to really chose both option without giving up both.
Or at least giving up 1 of the options. The NCR are just freedom but without the secerity and they would invetible rot. And the Legion is just slavery for short term security that will last till the moment Casers dies.
Mr house reoresent tge both bad and the good of this conflict hance why vegas is in the middle of the NCR and Legion, Want freedome? Ok the door is right there good luck eating Brahmin shite curry in that deserrt of a Hell hole.
And Johnny shouldn't even be talking the guy Nuked half of night city that killed 15 000 people for a girlfriend who died after he cheated on her. Bro is just a more hypocritical version of Ulysses, at least Ulysses knew what he was getting himself in to and carried that weight fully understanding the philosophy he renders under his actions even if flawed and he never claimed to be some moral arbiter.
Ulysses knew what he was and carried that responsibility.
Johhny is out here pulling *"why do you get to decide who lives and dies"* and than imditly decides who lives and dies. And he had the gawll to pull an *"oops my bad guys I didn't know so many innocent people would get hurt"* which indicates the man doesn't have a rendering idea and philosophy he hoped to get by killing all those people, and just doing everything he does because he operates of his feelings and doesn't really have an actual plan on what to do after. Like a true zealet.
Ulysses would re coil at Johnny if they ever met.
The house always wins