Yanks figure out pitcher is tipping his pitches, a breakdown
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I NEVER would have caught that. It's a beautiful mind you've got my friend
Not a baseball watcher, but your videos are awesome. I didn't realise there was this much depth tbh, always thought it was just "man with stick hit ball if can" but baseball is far more tactical than i gave it credit for.
I see a lot of parallels between this and poker now. Knowing your "tell" can be used to your advantage. I assume some pitchers do this, maybe showing the base runners their grip before changing it as they hide it behind the glove for example.
Also, and i may be way off, but doing a break down of right/left handed pitcher advantges and disadvantages could be interesting for laypeople like me.
Holy crap great job. Got anything on the Ohtani tipping, if there was?
I was going to say it looks like he must be starting with a fastball grip. And if it's a fastball, you don't see him manipulate the ball in his glove to get a different grip. If it's offspeed, he does. I didn't notice the head thing until you said it.
These are exactly the kind of breakdowns that bring inside baseball to the masses in an easily comprehensible way.
What's hilarious is that this comment is completely incomprehensible.
Took me a while to figure out that it should be "bring" not "being".
@@quartino_ Autocorrect is a thing.
Now the Tigers know it, too.
agreed. I still won't watch a full game on TV but this was fun.
So help me out- what is it about there being a baserunner that forces (or encourages) the pitcher to change his movements in a way that makes his pitches easier to read? I heard the word "stretch" but I don't really know that that's about.
If the Tigers didnt realize this, JOmboy is literally out here giving out information worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for free for our amusement 😂
Yeah, right? Youd think they've got someone picking this stuff up too
Nothing is safe when Jomboy is at the helm, dissecting content for all it’s worth
how much you wanna bet in practice he doesn't look around at all because he doesn't care about the bases?
@@TheAlmightyBracket bro what? 😂
@@calebmathisen1109 During his bullpen sessions they aren't picking up on this.
This must've felt awful in real time. It's not easy figuring out subconscious behavior, and it's even harder to figure out how you're being exploited.
Pretty amazing for the Yankees to figure this out. Obviously they have a whole big team and they’re very invested in winning the game, but still. Maybe I’m just a casual but I can’t imagine how they would ever notice this.
I didn’t even know stuff like this existed in baseball. I hope he sees this video or at least finds out why he was getting hammered.
Holy shit I just saw your profile picture and I thought "wait... when did I comment on this video??"
@@AzureKite shiddd i thought u were the original guy 💀
@@Magoo1881 they most likely have scouts assigned to find stuff like this every game
This is such a huge failure on the coach, the pitcher and the catcher knew they figured something out and were fighting them off for a good while. Coach left them on an island to die.
really did seem like they were left out there to drown
What would you have done, genius?
@@tejasgreen1717 spoken to the pitcher and tell him not to give away his pitches as they’ve figured out his tendencies, genius
@@ethanthompson9569 the thing is you don’t necessarily know how you’re tipping pitches especially as a pitcher in the moment. But it’s on the coaches to figure that out if the Yanks can the Tigers coaches and players should be able to see it too
I find it amazing none of the batters on his own team picked it up, they must not pay much attention
This is one of my favorite breakdowns in a while.
I agree
Facts my guy!
One of the only breakdowns we’ve gotten in a while..
Really good breakdown
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This breakdown is exactly why Jomboy has gotten so many people into baseball. Great video once again
A thousand times more effective in getting people interested in the sport than all of Manfred's BS dumbing-down gimmicks rolled together.
We not into baseball lil bro, we just into Jomboy
I am one of those people, i love these and it’s helped me understand the complexities in the game of baseball
Gotten me back into baseball after playing for 12 years and getting burnt out
@@Izmona7
Nah I’m a fan of jomboy but he really did get me into baseball. No way I’d watch a game 2 years ago but I will now.
Imagine Skip Bayless or Stephen A trying to break down anything at this level.
The only breakdowns Skip has are when Shannon points out "his" Cowboys or Baker Mayfield are straight trash.
ESPN has been on 24 hours a day for decades but they can’t carve out 8 minutes to give a proper breakdown like this. Remarkable.
ESPN is pretty bad in general for talking anything logical about a sport
ESPN is so bad at baseball. It’s an issue. Most baseball fans can talk about the game better and more in depth
@@Ryan-cb1ei hockey as well, not to mention soccer. They literally cover football and basketball.
If anyone wants to argue that knowing the pitches didn’t give the Astros an advantage, they need to watch this. The Yankees put 10 runs on this guy because he was tipping out of the the stretch only! Imagine if he tipped on everything or if there were noises coming out of the Dugout…
Exactly!!!! Baseball is easy when you know what pitch is coming
Kinda like it helped the Yankees in 2015 & 2016 season
@@zchirtos Lol
Bang on though he is a rookie so nit as seasoned as those the Astros faced likely why it wasnt a blowout like here....feel for the pitcher but he has good stuff though
I suspected Josh Donaldson or DJ LeMahieu clued everyone in.
My reaction had I not watched Jomboy: "wow the Yankees got a lot of runs"
These breakdowns make everything so much more interesting.
The people who know a sport watch it on another level. I know people who love Nascar and they point out things I'd never notice. To me it's just cars doing circles.
@@johnjames5405 I was on an airport shuttle in Vegas and some guys were talking about the Nascar race they were going to and complaining about some other raceway that wouldn't let fans bring scanners in. They were saying they wouldn't go to a race without a scanner. Light bulb! So watching racing is more interesting if you can listen to the drivers and pit crew. OK, got it.
If you're watching on TV, there's too much going on, and only one camera angle. Jomboy Breakdowns give us everything we miss the first time around. Screw first responders, the Jomboy Crew are the real heroes.
@@jimponton693 the reason some tracks don't allow scanners is because teams have been caught using them to cheat before. They listen to other driver's and their crews, and use their strategies against them. Think Astros and trash cans.
It breaks the game down, and shows people that dont know, or really watch baseball, what's going on. Theres more than spitting, and crotch scratching going on during the game.
That was hilarious when Matt Carpenter hit that HR. The pitcher had to have been like “what the fuck is going on”
@Robert Reital it's not that he hit a HR with a fastball in the middle of the plate. It's the fact that the rookie didn't understand how the Yankees were sitting on his fastball EVERYTIME he was throwing it.
as a tigers fan, I've been saying that since 2014
I think he knew he was tipping his pitches out of the stretch but didn't know exactly how.
Kinda sucks that we have 5 starting pitchers injured
They definitely did know something was up, the catcher was trying, but all the pitch call deception just shows how far they were from figuring out what it actually was.
This breakdown simply shows how brilliant this game is and how deep it can be. It's one of the many things that makes baseball so amazing.
I'm not a baseball fan, never have been and never will be. this video was entertaining however. It does further solidify to me that I will never enjoy baseball because it's so boring unless you are 'in the know'. and the cost of entry to be 'in the know' enough to enjoy the game is far, far too high.
@@thethatcher It doesn’t have to be. Just watch and listen to what the broadcasters and analysts say. It’ll make sense real quick. Although it really does help when you follow a good team with a good broadcasting crew, like the Yankees. I feel bad for people who are a fan of repeatedly bad teams. But if you can’t get into it at least try to enjoy good plays from a far
@@Ryan-cb1ei I appreciate your respectful reply. I have tried on the past to find enjoyment in baseball and it's just not for me. I like the analytics, but the game is boring to me.
And after all that... It's still extremely boring to watch
@@Ryan-cb1ei I can't stand the Padres or the dodgers broadcasting team. I feel like they have no personality so when my team isn't on and I need baseball for the day, I always pick someone other than them two teams lol I love Cleveland's broadcasting team they make watching the game even better if I can't make it to a game.
Great work. And you may have helped this kid solve this telegraphing issue much sooner than his coach might have. Because, if his pitching coach has not already noted this and started trying to break him of what is likely a career-long habit, then your video is being watched by him right now, and practice and his game footage all the way back to Little League will get obsessively pored over.
If the Tigers couldn’t figure this out the next day after watching film every single coach should be fired lol
This is why we love baseball. Great analysis. Jomboy should be in the booth
Who's this "we", you got crabs?
Man I hope jomboy gets paid more than a booth analysist/commentator, he puts in more work!
He’s the John madden of bsbl
Yep, agreed
Jomboy makes baseball analysis fun. This game is more than throw, swing, hit...it's watch, learn..share.
This breakdown was insane. Average viewer would never think about this. Awesome stuff and luckily, should be easy for the rookie to fix. Hope he sees this video
Yankees gonna be pissed as well LOL
@@curtismann6851 This is what I wonder. Does Jomboy notice things that no one notices or would the pitching coach catch it after reviewing film after the game?
@@curtismann6851 they really didn't think this would ever work again in today's era. They would have figured out what the pitcher was doing wrong on the plane flight home. Some coach's ass might be on the line if this guy was tipping pitches before this game on video. The Yankees picked up on it real time, every team in the league probably had it figured out by 9 am this morning. Just looking at the detailed stats would tip an amateur off. This rookie will bounce back from this quick. It's an easy fix.
Reminds me a lot of a breakdown he did a few years ago, where he showed how the Astros we're figuring out if a fast ball or breaking ball was coming based on how the pitcher was holding his glove before throwing the pitch.
Just brilliant. That is all.
The amount of thinking on everyone’s part that you never see is why I love your breakdowns.
As a Tiger's fan, the front office thanks you for the information. Without Jomboy I genuinely think the Tigers would've missed this 🤣
For me, this game just seemed like a slug fest but this is video is what it means when people say baseball is a mental game. Excellent breakdown.
Yup, it truly is a game if inches! both physically and even more so mentally.
For me slugfest usually includes the other team hitting the ball
idk what this is tbh, if you like mental games watch Maddux or Greinke on the mound, this just seemed kind of like letting the batters know what pitch is coming so now that we know they know what's coming we know how to take advantage of the fact that they know what's coming, but at the end of the day you're still letting them know what you're about to pitch so is it really that helpful? and even better, we'll have our centerfielder fake like he's coming in to catch the ball then surprise the batting team by actually letting the ball fly over the fielder's head? ... idk just seems like they're trying too hard to emulate people they watched back in the good days of baseball when players played good hard baseball and cunning players used trickery to deke an opposing player . it's sad what the sport has become tbh especially if this nonsense is the peak of mental games within baseball
@@jhanks2012 I disagree. He was subconsciously tipping pitches, the opposing team was cunning enough to pick up on something so small as his head movements. Ever consider why that was? I bet you haven’t.
Nonetheless, the Yanks capitalized on it, and the Tigers had no idea what they knew, but they figured they had what pitches he was about to throw. The trickery probably would have worked if that was the case - it was pretty smart - but it was a solution to the wrong problem.
@@user-vr5zk9ox8d idk man it just doesn't seem that subconscious to me. his head movements were not that small and unnoticeable. he clearly eventually found out that they were picking up on it so at least by that point he knew they knew the pitch before it came but he still continues doing his tell before each pitch. like when he does the tell for offspeed pitch then lobs one easy one in right down the plate because he knows they won't swing. clearly he knew they knew. maybe it started out as a subconscious thing that the hitters picked up on but that doesn't seem to be the whole story here imo
Honestly, this isn't even the pitchers fault. It's his teams/managements fault.
If the Yankee's could figure this out in an INNING, how the hell did the Tigers not notice this IN 4-5 MONTHS?
Tbf this was this pitchers 3rd start in the majors
@@nickcelestino yeah but you got the minor league pitching coach and other coaches as well. Maybe opposing hitters didn’t pick up on it in the minors but he was still probably doing it
I came to add this exact comment. This us all on his coaches.
Good news for him is he can fix this, and maybe even use it to fool some batters.
@@nickcelestino yeah, but I'm sure they've watched him in plenty of other games. I'm sure they've had him practice game situations a LOT.
So, unless this habit was a one game fluke, it's not his fault.
@@TheJeffMiller Oh, I agree.
Easy fix.
Kids got good stuff.
Hell, he was almost still very competitive despite the Yanks knowing when fastball was coming.
Knowing what pitch is coming is a massive advantage. It happened one time in Highschool where the opposing catcher was leaking signs. We knew what was coming every pitch. Made the game so much easier.
For the past year I spend more time watching Jomboy breakdowns than actual baseball.
You’re right, the rookie has good stuff. Glad you mentioned that he just got taken advantage of by some pros. Such a cool breakdown
That’s such a perfect way to put it. Rookie pitcher not supposed to even be in the MLB yet gets taken advantage of by professionals.
It's not the rookie's fault. His pitching coaches have failed him, they should have noticed the tell.
@@Phyrre56 This. 100% this. Most pitchers need their catcher and pitching coach to give them guidance. Not every pitcher is going to be as clever as, say, Greg Maddux. All a pitcher really is needs good stuff and the willingness to let his catcher and pitching coach guide him.
Quarterbacks in football and point guards in basketball, on the other hand, need to be very observant and analytical to excel. There's a reason most baseball players aren't very intelligent: being very intelligent doesn't help a baseball player much.
@@yekutielbenheshel354 Who are the mediocre to really good baseball players who would have performed better by being less intelligent?
@@jordan_8329 I repeat, "There's a reason most baseball players aren't very intelligent: being very intelligent doesn't help a baseball player much."
Intelligence in baseball is like height, neither matter much. Many baseball players in MLB are around 5'10" tall, but very few basketball players in the NBA are around 5'10". Height is a crucial factor in basketball.
jomboy just casually being leagues ahead of literally everyone else in his analysis. what a guy
Leagues ahead of everybody except the Yankees video analysis guy who watched 100 innings of this pitcher to see if he tipped his pitches in any way :)
I met a guy in the minor leagues who said he worked for an MLB team doing that exact job. The story he told us was that he watched hours and hours of R.A. Dickey looking for anything, and found that a very high amount of the time when Dickey gave up a homerun he threw a fastball first pitch to the next batter. He relayed it to the team, they happened to hit a bomb off him the next time they faced him, and the next guy sat fastball first pitch and hit another one. Pretty crazy how many habits you have to avoid falling into as a player in order to be elite
@@elucas51 "Pretty crazy how many habits you have to avoid falling into as a player in order to be elite" - like being a serial killer, you either have to be perfect or completely random.
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Dude. You are a fucking LEGEND with these breakdowns. You’re getting me more into baseball then I ever was in my life. Amazing.
The fact that both Koufax and Randy Johnson tipped their pitches and guys still couldn't hit them makes them even more incredible.
Johan Santana tipped his changeup most of the time too- still nobody could hit it. Blyleven also stuck his tongue out on breaking balls for years and was still an effective pitcher.
Doesn't matter if you know what's coming when it's a 101mph fastball with movement.
I don't remember who it was, but a player once said something kind of about this when talking about Mariano Rivera and his cutter. They said "you know what's coming, but you know what's coming in scary movies too. It still gets you."
@@miles3908 to me that just shows how good that cutter was. Dominated the league with one pitch
@@Memorex996 100% agree
The fact you noticed and nobody on the tigers had a clue what was going on. Speaks to how good of a baseball mind you have
he’s reaching here, which is why he didn’t show most of his pitches with men on base
@@Dragon-tc6ud if you right you right as a man from flint mi I been a tigers fan my whole life but still I mean it did happen allllllot for it to be a fluke
@@Dragon-tc6ud The only AB that he didn't show every pitch of was Carpenter's HR
Jomboy didn't know what was happening live though. He was intrigued and looked through the replays to see what happened.
@@yesfinallygot1 but he did notice something was up and was then able to figure out what it was. I'm sure many of us could watch endless replays and not have picked up on it before having it pointed out to us.
It's a great observation by Jomboy and a great analysis
We need more “game within the game” breakdowns
It's some of the best breakdowns. other than ejections of course lol
The problem is that A. they're difficult to spot and B. it's rare something to this degree happens, jomboy doesn't decide what plays actually occur.
What’s crazy is the tigers knew the Yankees had him figured out but didn’t talk to him about changing anything in his routine. The catcher knew he was tipping his fastball so I find it hard to believe the tigers couldn’t figure out it was the look at third base. If they honestly couldn’t figure out how he was tipping then the entire tigers coaching staff and players need to be fired! Yankees had it in the second inning and the tigers knew immediately and did nothing to fix the kids problem they just left him out there to get hammered for three more innings! Kudos to the catcher for trying to help him!
Yeah…like fire them all and stuff. That outta learn em.
They had to pick on the Tigers, go figure
I don’t understand how there isn’t dedicated staff working on this sort of stuff. Crazy how an opposing team can pick up on it in a matter of innings
It was one of his first times pitching for real so nobody knew what his mannerisms would be in that higher pressure situation. When he was training with his coaches he probably never did it but now they know and cam correct it.
@@TheGoodChap he didn’t pitch any time before this game??
@@jeffkuhn6003 i think it was his 3rd game but it wasn't something they apparently picked up on at the time. Maybe they should have been looking closer, it is pretty weird they didn't notice, but maybe i'd have to watch those games to see if he was doing it egregiously then too. But now they know what to fix
@@TheGoodChapI see what you’re saying, but that means it’s even more impressive the yanks dialed in on it that fast. In football, some RBs give away the play to the LBers based on their first stutter step. Some quarterbacks do it via what mannerism they call an audible with. In UFC some fighters pull their back shoulder before throwing a jab.. all of those are far more subtle than this. Furthermore, I wouldn’t be surprised to know that some teams have “intel” staff that find tells like these amongst pitchers given the advancement of technology.
@@manley9308 It certainly possible someone on the Yankees staff figured this out when watching video of this kid's first 2 starts, and the Yankee hitters were given this information before this game even started.
You taught him AND HIS PITCHING COACHES what he has done wrong, you sir may very well saved this man’s career
The kid looked good when they didn't know what was coming,. Gosh, that has to be a horrid feeling when you feel you have good stuff and they put a 10 on the board.
Bad news is he may have to miss a few starts and come on in relief for a few weeks to make sure his changes are working...otherwise he is a liability from the stretch, you would be better off with a HS Fastpitch softball hurler at that point. At least no one would have a clue how to put a bat on it for a few innings.
Lol all this channel did is watch tape. Just like his coaching staff will, I’ve seen yu darvish tip pitches and he’s an elite pitcher.
It’s impressive what the Yankees did but I think we all forget how smart jomboy is for figuring it out
It's a baseball thing...every batter is looking for some type of tipping.
@@hoanpham4545 the tigers own catcher didn't even realize it tho lol
@@kasdcomoa5567 I think he realized the Yankees knew what was coming, but he couldn't figure out what was giving the pitches away.
No one is forgetting how smart jomboy is when it's about baseball analytics
@@kevinconnor6035 Yeah true
“Charlie Kelly in the mail room!”😂 Pepe Silvia, Pepe Silvia!
This game within a game stuff is exactly why I love baseball so much. This breakdown was excellent. Great job!
Somebody on the Tigers coaching staff thats been out of his mind trying to figure it out all weekend is going to see this today and lose his shit
Detroit's shitty coaching/management probably just stalled out this kid's career. Not fixing the obvious head tilt during training AND leaving him into to get mercy'd just for them to blame him and ship him back to the minors.
That’s why they can’t win a playoff series to save they life😂
Yep, because he was lights out last game vs Cleveland before he left with an injury. I think he could’ve repeated vs yanks if not for the tipping
He probably doesnt do it during his bullpen sessions
Hinch.. nuf said
What if he was doing it cuz he was betting on the other teams to win..?
Jomboy, you’re the best in the world at this. Despite not having much interest in baseball I could watch your breakdowns all day. Your passion and knowledge and delivery is infectious. Much love.
"Charlie Kelly in the mailroom" is such a legendary reference.
i have never been HUGE into baseball, always a casual fan... you guys make me want to get HUGE into baseball. What an amazing breakdown, attention to detail, story telling, and all around great content. I watch more baseball every week directly because you make it fun.
I agree!! Jomboy is excellent and really helps keep me stay active with the long season. It does really help if you have a favourite team to tune into after work, even just passively watching. That’s another reason why I personally love baseball, because it doesn’t really matter what kind of fan you are (new or hardcore), you can just turn it on for enjoyment while you do other stuff, or you can get really engrossed in the game with every detail like a complex mind game of wits and anticipation.
Jomboy's that informed, true fan in the stands you happen upon that knows his shit and doesn't sugarcoat, no matter if it's against his team or not. That's what's missing from the marketing... er announcers' booth.
@@jfayiii very true, Pitching Ninja is another good one on YT :)
Jomboy - MLB, And especially Rob Manfred owe you guys big time. MLB is, and has been so out of touch with the fans for seemingly decades, thank god you guys came along. The content you guys put out is unique, original, informative, and so entertaining that you single hand-idly keep this game I love relevant.
Thank you so much, truly!
Go Yankees!
Great comment, but I can’t like anything in support of the yanks mate, I’m sorry.
It's brought some fun back to the game for me. I also find myself trying to read people's lips in every sport I watch. "Let's Go!' and "WTF?" are said a lot.
You were doing so well till that last line
@@darthsilversith667 😂😂 Definitely missed out on some likes for that one!
Jomboy this is a master class. I have subscribed
MLB should pay Jomboy for how much extra viewers he brings in. I didn't even watch baseball until watching his breakdowns, they are absolutely amazing.
Thanks for this breakdown, man. Absolutely amazingly done. This is the stuff that casual baseball watchers don't see and appreciate, like myself, and it's giving me a lot more appreciation for the sport.
His sliders were great. He has true potential, I’m honestly amazed at how they caught on to something like that.
Tbh if the cf catches that fly all and he doesn’t tip his pitches he totally could have thrown 5-6 innings and only given up 2-3 runs.
@@paytonbell3767 his tipping pitches easily cost him 9-10 ER
they're pros...whats more is how the tigers didnt notice he was doing it...they knew something was up
@@tricktaylor1983 they knew but they couldn't figure out what it was, they had faith in him and if this was his habits from minors and even maybe college/ high school days nobody will notice until something like this happens
@@AG-fv4yb not true. I'd say this is one of the only jobs of the pitching coach. To watch and make sure his pitchers aren't tipping them.
Interesting.. this is what Joe Maddon was talking about, how the Yankees are good at finding tells within the pitcher. Maybe that's how they shelled Ohtani the other day.
Considering its the 2nd time that Ohtani had a bad outing in New York, its not entirely impossible that Shohei is tipping some of his pitches.
@@ajsantiago8574 and pretty sure hes already made one adjustment this year cause he was tipping pitches
I was wondering why ohtani had done poorly in New York (sure, it's only two games, but for him that's a lot) but this is a good theory, I'd say.
But don't you dare bang on a trashcan when you know what's coming...
These breakdowns are AMAZING. I enjoy baseball, and have an appreciation for sports, but these brings something new.
This vid definitely shows us how in depth basically every pitch can be. Love it
When I was watching this I was literally thinking "This is embarrassing as a Tigers fan, I hope Jomboy figures out something weird is going on". This is why Jomboy is a legend. Love from Canada.
so not only is jomboy an expert lip reader, but also a top flight detective??
Tigers are probably using this breakdown to coach the kid up
Former major leaguer Trevor Plouffe is on the staff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s behind this breakdown on the technical aspect.
@@AEMoreira81 pretty sure Jomboy would have credited him unless Trev specifically asked not to be credited for some weird reason. Either way, seems like this was all Jimmy.
Love it.. This kind of breakdown is absolute money. Everything from the fake shakes, to the giveaway. This may seem easy to pickup but these things are much harder to pick up than you think. Glove wiggles, glove position, where u look, leg kicks etc etc… Jomboy probably be working for a MLB team one day. Lip reading, picking up tells amongst other things. Really loving your work Jomboy
😊 officially subscribing! breakdowns and play by play got me hooked!
Watching players intently watch the pitchers to find small cues, and then getting excited when their theories play out, is awesome! Reminds me so much of high school/college ball, where players and coaches don't have access to 50 camera angles and have to rely on what they see. Awesome breakdown Jomboy!
Agree!! Straight up watch and see what you can see 👀 🙌
They definitely caught onto Ohtani too, they made contact with EVERY pitch.
Only ONE swing and a miss in 75 pitches thrown. I wonder if Donaldson or LeMahieu knows something.
They're probably illegally stealing signs again through new methods, we already know the MLB was covering for them when they were doing it a few years ago.
I gained a whole new respect for the sport of baseball by watching videos like this!
This is what I watch your channel for! Great video Jomboy! Love to see it!
The art of figuring out if a pitcher is tipping is incredible. Batters have been able to pick up tiny twitches within a pitchers arm muscles based on the grip on the ball
Can you also do a breakdown of whether Shohei Ohtani was tipping pitches as Joe Madden claimed in his last start in Yankees as well?
this
break down the whistles lol
I second this.
@@marcscherzer yes this and please a Dec riot I’ve video breakdown of pitch com communication system and how it works and the rules about it.
Back stretch, fast ball. Look at 3rd base, fast ball. If Ohtani can pick up the pace, he won’t tip the batters as much. Watch Trevino’s body langauge when he’s tipped off.
In a catalog of incredible breakdowns, this one is amazing.
Wow huge props to the catcher & awesome find from JomBoy as well as this is why the Yankees are so beast this season. Awesome
In high school I remember playing against a left handed pitcher who thought he was clever. When he was looking towards the batter, he’d throw to first base to try to pick off the runner. When he was looking towards first, he’d throw the pitch. I figured it out from the dugout and got on base with a single, then I stole second on his very first pitch as he watched me take off. He saw me go, but he had no chance at getting me out because he was already committed to the plate.
I’m so glad that these kinds of mental games are happening even at the major league level. It makes watching the game that much more interesting!
Of course they happen in the mlb. I’m impressed you were able to manipulate a pitcher like that
Man, excellently executed explanation again Jimmy.
Now tell us how Shohei was tipping so he can fix his. 😆
Ohtani's tell is this: When he pitches against the Yankees he forgets to be good.
Seriously though, dude has the potential to be among the greatest players ever if his career is anywhere near his potential. It is so far, but he needs to do it for a long time to be in that conversation with people like Ruth. I'm rooting for him... except when he plays the Yankees. So that's working out so far.
@@Sam_on_CZcams by your logic he’ll never have a chance to reach greatness because he got a late start to his mlb career. It’s the same thing that happened with ichiro, who also very much so has a claim at goat but had to waste time over in Japan. The way the rules prevent Japanese players from getting a full mlb career also prevents them from getting any big all time records to put them in contention with the goats.
@@vancearama No. Ohtani is already great. From his Japanese career, his rookie season, last year as maybe the greatest single season anyone has ever achieved, so far this year, and the limited playing time during his injury seasons, that is plenty for him to be great. As for Ichiro, I put him easily in the conversation with people like Ty Cobb. Among the top dozen or so. And I do count his Japanese numbers there. But true GOAT? You need to START with some area where you individually outshine other teams and have a great full career, which narrows it down to very few players. Guys like Babe Ruth, Ricky Henderson, Satahara Oh, and Josh Gobson (2 of whom never played in MLB). There might be a few more, but very few. Ichiro's hit totals aren't at that level, they aren't enough orders of magnitude outside the norm. Then after that, you need to look at other factors. Ruth was also a borderline HOF caliber pitcher, so I see no comparison to him...
Until Ohtani. If Ohtani puts together a career that lives up to his potential, he might surpass Ruth, as Ruth couldn't be among the best pitchers and hitters AT THE SAME TIME. That's why he gave up pitching. Ohtani can. That is, frankly, amazing.
Ohtani had only one swing and a miss in his 75 pitches. The Yankees were making contact or taking pitches otherwise.
@@AEMoreira81 that’s a lot more suspicious to have a game that good against a pitcher who’s never had that happen before. If he was tipping it would’ve already been caught
Fantastic video. As an extremely casual baseball fan i can definitely say this is the best baseball content ive ever seen
Announcers thought Kevin Gaussman was tipping his slider in the Sunday game as well. I havent watched enough baseball to know if he did but seeing a not so rookie version of this same thing would be cool.
I feel bad for the pitcher. He’ll get it though. Lessons learned.
He’s probably not supposed to be in the mlb yet but as he said he’s got good stuff he just needs to not tip his stuff
@@jackhumbach9086 he’s not supposed to be. Tigers have had 12 starters hit the IL so far this year. Skubal is the only starter in the rotation rn who was also in the opening day rotation
You do realize the Tigers are trying to fool the Yankees right? And how do you know they haven't picked up some tells on Yankee pitching?
Jomboy that was an excellent breakdown. There's a difference between a talented thrower who knows how to throw the ball.
And a seasoned veteran who's honed his craft and is difficult to read. He reminds me of a double AA pitcher who still working on the finer parts of his game. The Yankees read him like the Sunday paper Thank you.
Verlander went through the same "tipping the pitch" thing his rookie season, albeit with the White Sox.
@@pabloapostar7275 Good observation, when an organization hurries their talent before the ready, it's very difficult on the young prospect.
Because he IS a double A pitcher. Keep in mind for non Tigers fans here, all but one of their pitchers (not to mention many of their key players in the lineup) are injured and most of these poor fellas in the rotation are double A pitchers who have to fill in for awhile until further notice. They’re basically getting fed to the wolves which is the Tigers season in a nutshell. But it will be great experience for them and will hopefully help them develop more when they get sent back down.
@@Gamebrojeremy1 thank god that one is skubal. hes so fun to watch
@@Gamebrojeremy1 thank you for letting me know that. I'm neither a tiger's or a Yankees fan. But from simple observation, having played the game, and experience of nearly 65 years. I could see that young man wasn't ready for the big times. I hope it doesn't harm his confidence. Thanks again.
Honestly this is pure gold… the fact that you can study the tape and figure it out and baseball pros can’t is crazy!! And the way the Yankees players figured it out was awesome too!! Carp laying it down for them to bust the game open and just run with it!! So glad we signed him. He’s been an absolute beast for us since he’s joined, and his mustache is superior stock type!! Great video man!!
From UK never really got into baseball but a video like this gives me a completely different perspective on it
It was really interesting to watch the catcher troubleshoot the situation to figure out how the batters knew what was coming.
After he ran through the fake shake-off pagentry, he likely realized it was his pitcher tipping but couldn't figure out quite how it was happening in situ (or had no hope it could be corrected during a live game).
Barnhart admitted he didn't know what was going on until the 8th, when Rizzo told him at first base.
This is an amazing breakdown. Honestly. We all appreciate the lip reading and the walk of celebration breakdowns, but this shit right here is a thing of beauty. Atta boy man, hell of a job.
Brother?
Jomboy is the f-ing goat! He picks up on things that lifelong baseball fans pass right over! I remember watching this a year ago when it came out but I had to come back for a rewatch. There is so much trickery and gaming going on back and forth in a baseball game that not fans have no idea about. And these breakdowns will bring fans into the game. Especially the younger crowd that baseball needs for the fan base of the future! Fuzzy, baseball doesn't exist, foul territory, and all those are great but Jomboy on a whole nother level!
Excellent breakdown. This video deserve the most views of any baseball video in the year 2022.
As someone who is certainly no expert in baseball, why would the Tigers pitching staff not catch onto this and correct it? Or call a mound visit during this game to try and hot fix it mid game? Surely if the Yankees can notice it then the Tigers should to, no?
Essentially "tunnel vision" - you focus too much on a complicated solution, that you miss very simple errors in your logic/methodology.
He's already a bad pitcher, maybe they just thought it's just a bad day for him so they don't look for something special.
@@hanwentian8096 this is his second game idk about bad pitcher
@@hanwentian8096 Jomboy says this pitcher's stuff is good; he just gotta keep his head straight.
I was rewinding constantly trying to figure out what he was doing and I kept focusing on his glove when he would come set or if his motion to the plate was different. Never even looked at his head. Tunnel vision is a crazy thing
You should look at Ohtani's performance against the Yanks. Maddon says he was likely tipping his pitches to them
You could tell during the first at bat against Ohtani that they knew something they shouldn't know. 11 pitches to Carpenter ending in a lead off homer. Then they went 53 pitches without a swing and miss. Annoying as hell
@@smcdonough1427 - That becomes really off when you realize that Ohtani has the highest chase rate in the league.
Love these breakdowns. I sent the link of the video my 19u team I coach. Stuff like this really helps young players
“Charlie Kelly in the mailroom.” Lolol
“CAROL!! CAROL!!”
Yo, I had this exact tell in high school. I was paranoid about base runners stealing when I would throw a breaking ball so I'd make sure to keep a close eye on them the whole time in the stretch (might even pick off every so often). With fastballs, I had little concern they'd be successful with my slide step so I wouldn't pay much attention to them.
That explains everything. Seems so logical reason why you did it, and must be very common. I blame Detroit coaching staff for not catching it. The only downside is once Jomboy reveals it, everyone is going to catch on.
@@youngche3318 Oh the staff is going to figure this out at some point before his next start, it's already outdated information.
@@youngche3318 I mean, that includes the pitcher and the staff, which means he can fix it, so nbd.
@@youngche3318 but good news for the Yankees, by the time Detroit fixes this they’ll be playing Boston, Toronto and Tampa
Should have been caught at Rookie or A ball level.
If I were a team owner, I would hire Jimmy in a NY minute. Jimmy is amazing. He's a baseball wind talker. There's nothing he can't decipher. There's nothing anyone can say that he can't figure out. If it were just the lip reading, that would be impressive enough. But this dude reveals more and more quirky talents the longer he podcasts.
Dude lol he's a smart and capable guy but he's not omnipotent. "There's nothing anyone can say that he can't figure out." LOL he's not god. There are things he doesn't know. Every job needs specialized training; he has already chosen the job that best fits his knowledge and capabilities; please stop saying such bullshit, it's so stupid that it's a shame to appear in this comment section.
@@hanwentian8096 Bro chill
@@hanwentian8096 who hurt you? It's just hyperbole.
I'd wager that Jomboy heard about this from the community, then did a video on it rather than deciphering on his own.
@@hanwentian8096 I liked your comment until the very end. Yeah calm down pal 😅
The Yankees are lucky to have you watching every game and talking about it. So much respect and love, from queens.
I love how you work the advertising into the clip without anyone really paying attention to it lol. Great breakdown as always
I love this. I rode the bench on varsity so I would spend the entire game dissecting the pitcher to figure out how he tips his pitches. Some guys with offers were good but then some kids would be obvious. Like two completely different set positions and stuff like that. I’d then relay this info to the batter by cheering. If I said something along the lines of “here we go 22” or anything involving their jersey number it meant breaking ball. I had this shit in depth. I’d have the other team sweating about me. Your third base coach signs aren’t safe either.
Honestly reading pitchers and stealing signs was some of my favorite parts of baseball. I played first base for the most part and always had eyes on the third base coach. I remember one game where I actually had to start figuring out different ways to signal to my team steals and bunts because they caught on to me tipping off the infield after switching their signs up for the third time. By the end of the game you had runners on base standing flat foot on a hit and run because their signals were so different than when the game started. Baseball is such a fun game man I love this channel!
Damn, here I was in soccer riding the bench and prepping water cups. The joke was I had 99 in thirst awareness in FIFA
That is why baseball is like chess, but with fastballs.
@@AEMoreira81 that is not how chess works at all
Dude that’s awesome
Every time jake is on screen he makes me laugh lol. “Really... you’re like that” gold
These breakdowns are fantastic. Love this channel
I'm not a huge baseball fan. But your breakdowns, make me want to go to a game.
Thank you. I love your videos.
Sat in right field at the game, what a beautiful breakdown. I could not have noticed this from the ball park. It was stunning how easy the yankees seemed to clobber this kid
Great breakdown. Think Ohtani was tipping in his last start against the Yankees. Would love to see a breakdown if you could figure it out.
Only ONE swing and a miss in 75 pitches.
I think hes already made one change this year cause he was tipping them
Brilliant break down. Amazing work!
Loved it! The breakdown was awesome! And thank you for using clean language so I’m able to show my daughter, son and their teammates why it’s important to pay attention at all times. Continue in keeping it clean and keep being awesome! Thank you.
Insane breakdown
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I be with my dawgs in the streets
You can just call me verlisify
@@squal6216 ayyyyye shofu fan
The fact the Yankees figured this out is incredible.
The fact that Jomboy figured out that the Yankees figured this out is god damn wizardry
Not to get all Conspiracy on this but Jomboy works for the Yankees now. Not impossible that this was fed to him.
@KJ Dude if anything, wouldn't the Yankees try to keep this information to themselves? Doesn't make much sense to give up something only you know to the rest of the league.
@@kjdude8765 Yeah, they fed this to him so he could make a video to show millions of people. Logic is hard.
The fact that the Tigers did not figure this out is... well... Tigers-esque.
Excellent stuff as always, Jomboy!
Wonderful stuff, Sir! Keep it up! Love your content!
This is absolutely fantastic! Now this is what the work of a professional looks like. This is by far worth more than any other analysis I am used to seeing.
Jomboy, please, if you can, try to figure out if my team’s pitcher, Shohei Ohtani, was giving tells as he got knocked by the Yankees this week June 2.
As someone who does not like baseball, this breakdown was amazing and I enjoyed every second of it!
Great break down, and fascinating that they (and you) can figure that all out.
Your breakdowns are legitimately good for the longevity of the game of baseball
This is a really incredible breakdown, Jimmy.
This might be your best breakdown yet. Bravo for picking up on this.
This was a fantastic player trait dissection. As someone who has played cricket, a sport where having your opponent be able to pick up what your doing can mean disaster, this was awesome to watch. What a huge learning curve for the young pitcher, the Pro's really do know how to find every advantage. Thing is, with what this guy just learnt, they've gone & made him better at his craft quicker.
Keep up the great content.👍
This video just earned y’all a new subscriber! Loved it.
Same thing with Ohtani vs Yankees?
This breakdown is perfection! Great insight to the mind games and "unseen" element of the game.
This was amazing. I chuckled a couple times. What a breakdown.