Porsche 718 Cayman T v Alpine A110S review | 2020's hottest coupes tested | Autocar
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- The Alpine A110 is a different kind of sports car - lighter, more agile, and less powerful than its conventional sports car rivals.
This new 2020 Alpine A110S version, though, is closer than the lesser, standard, A110. With 288bhp it can do 0-62mph in 4.4 seconds and has a top speed of 162mph.
Which makes it closer to the benchmark car in the mid-engined, two-seat sports car class: the Porsche 718 Cayman.
This, then, is the 2020 Porsche 718 Cayman T, the Alpine A110S's closest rival. It has a 2.0-litre flat four turbocharged engine making 296bhp, can go from 0-62mph in 5.1sec and has a top speed of 171mph.
But which is the better sports car? Join our testers as we try them back-to-back to pick a winner. If we can.
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Not seen the presenter in the Cayman before. He was excellent; clear, informative and clearly passionate about cars!!
I have chosen already and bought the A110S (same color and options like in the video)
Why? I have driven both and the ALPINE is a different kind of getting engaged by the car on the road. It's so amazing and I use it as daily car. In normal mode no problem at all and the automatic gear box is perfect through the city. Why a Cayman T is in that point better? No way and I have driven both versions of the Cayman S and T.
My hint for everyone who has the money for these cars ... test drive the ALPINE A110S
Not only for 10 minutes. Drive it some hours also through normal traffic and of course on fancy roads ...
Then decide ... I did it and selected the A110S
Cool, why not the regular a110?
The Cayman just feels more special. Sorry.
Love them both, but would rather take regular A110 or used 981 GTS
Those who have never driven the Alpine cannot even know how exceptional it is to drive.
The Cayman is very good but the Alpine is a huge emotion when you ask it ...
Alpine just feels like most of french cars. Lack of attention to detail! Cayman four cylinder is boxer and it is special engine. Those two jesters do not understood uniqness of that combo in Cayman!
Sorry you probably mean negative emotion with flimsy construction of Alpine?
Really enjoyed the conversation between you two in the A110S. The detail both went into made me get a better understanding of both cars and that's amazing. Porsche has a manual which instantly makes it better than the Alpine in my opinion. "Nuggetieness" had me laughing for awhile
I take the Alpine, but the standard version.
With the smaller wheels as well
@@Mexxx65 Preferably with a ride lift and some nice all season tyres
Yes.
The alpine makes a great performance package, but it just the price that makes it to change the minds of everyone
If the Alpine was 15.000 € cheaper, I would get one. Otherwise, I can simply not justify to spend that much money.
I loved driving around in it. I don't even mind the small engine! It feels plenty fast and sounds good enough!
A manual m2 seems to be the better choice tbh, 13k cheaper than the alpine
The Alpine is currently outselling the Cayman so clearly the price isn't too much of a problem
@@gazman9468 seriously? Wouldn't have expected that. That being said, I live in Stuttgart. The only Alpine I saw on the road was when I was driving it and Porsches are everywhere
If you know the Alpine marquee and have ever own the original A110, A310, GTA and even A610 price does not come into making a decision. I would have paid even more for my A110 PE. The car is not for everybody.
ALPINE A110, my dreamcar. Nice Porsche though.
Excellent video! Loved the discussion at the end, it was very interesting! Cheers !
This is a welcome break from " 'Rona". Thanks, Autocar!
Picking up my cayman T 12 hours later. What a time.
Don't get the 4 cylinder one unless it's VERY cheap!!
Congrats on your new ride. I have a base Cayman 718 and I absolutely love it!
MM79 they brought the 6 pot back
Ignore the idiots, its sublime - as you are no doubt finding out.
I got a 981 Spyder 3.8L but the 4 pots are also fine by me. Just enjoy your ride.
Well done. Excellent work. Thank you
A sports car has to have a soul. So Alpine it is. Just hope they survive.
We made a test-drive with the A110S. It's a pure fun- and sportscar. I love it. ♥️👍
curious how the v6 exige would stack up to this
Indeed, yet to see a group test with a 350, A110 and Caymen T....or 430 vs GT4
Exige has a price problem.
@@Fr99763 yes, a 350 is cheaper than a A110s!
I would rather they compared to an Elise... 4-pot against another 4-pot.
Mark Tickle well, with Lotus you climb very quickly up the price ladder, but at least you get something that’s not french 😄 no yellow vest put their hands on it to sabotage your purchase!
The new Alpine sounds like a V8, so cool indeed
Great Video Comparison Video. I particularly like the Alpine A110S. James Disdale Is doing a great Job as a Special Contributor
The guy on the lest hit the nail in the head...
For me I want and look for imperfect car. In this test Alpine.
Porsche engineered fun out of the car by failing to match the engine to the chassis best
Isexwayiso Be Warned!
Cayman held the crown for enough time. Now, for me? The crown should be in Alpine A110 & A110s. Design, feeling, modern-classic engineered, and engine sound were masterpiece by Alpine. Just keep good after sales services & spare part distribution and Alpine soon to be a classic in next 25-50 years. In My Humble Opinion
Great to have James, he gives such good info and feedback
great job guys
How does the Alfa Romeo 4C compare? Is it in the same category?
What stock music are you using?
Alpine for me👌
Cayman for me👌
@Autocar, where is the comparison with six cylinder Cayman you mentioned at the end of this video?
The predictable , sensible & logical choice would be the Cayman , the best engineered all-round daily drivers sports car , but somehow the Alpine to me is more desirable , it has more soul & character , it will be much more rare & exclusive for those drivers who want to be different & not follow the herd , the design whether you like it or not stands out compared to the Porsche which have all looked much the same for decades & obviously that 4 cylinder in the Cayman is the biggest drawback when the A110 sounds better & despite being smaller has superior performance due to it's lightweight & is cheaper to run , no doubt the Cayman would be the winner if they bring back that 6 pot engine !.
I actually love the exhaust note on the Cayman. I have a 718 with the Sports Exhaust (which the T has as standard) & it sounds amazing inside & out. I thought I might be a bit disappointed coming from a 981, but after a few months of ownership I really do like it.
The 718 gts 4.0 looks like so nice
Is the music in the intro from the movie Alien? It’s awesome.
No. Inspired by, maybe.
Cayman T is a marketing gimick to sell base spec cars.
It’s all marketing, there must be 8 variants of ‘Caymens’, 16 if you consider Boxsters variants of Caymens.
I love Renault for making the Alpine. In a world of quasi SUVs and uninspiring Crossovers, it’s a refreshing change, however at 60k I would take the Porka hands down. I think the Porsche is the more complete car
James said he'd have the Alpine but I have the impression he'd really prefer the Porsche. I don't think one is better than the other, different strokes... The Alpine feels more agile and unique, the Porsche has better build quality and feels more expensive. I'd like to say the Alpine is more sensational, fun etc but I think that Porsche lovers enjoy their cars just as much in the end. I've always loved Renault Sport's nimbleness so the Alpine A110 is nothing short of a God-send, but acknowledge this often comes at the sacrifice of driving more well-rounded German cars. Clio RS vs Golf GTIs, Alpine A110 vs Cayman, etc.
Imagine either of these cars with that koenigzegg 600HP 2 litre 3 cylinder...🤔💥
Or an Audi TTRS /M2
Ouffff it would be a lightweight Rocketship on 4 wheels
@@Shockload a TT or M2 will never be lightweight
Neither these cars, Porsche's new GTS 4.0 is only around 10% more expensive than the touring, with 400 BHP and a Manual.
Yeah, I was thinking the same when I was watching this video.
Perhaps in the UK. In Europe it's about 30% more expensive due to CO2 taxes.
Until you option it out, my GTS4.0 would be £80k...
@@DanLMH Very true, but it is largely the same story with the Cayman T,
@@christopherodonoghue3858 Porsche do love making you pay for their options!!
I would take the regular A110 and if needed would tune it up a bit in future (only the engine probably)
Gt version?
In terms of chasis, is the Cayman T on par with the GTS?
Yes.
I would also take the standard A110 or maybe just keep my M2 competition :-)
Would you guys have the 2015 Porsche Cayman gts over a 2020 Toyota Supra?
I would take the AC Schnitzer 2020 Toyota Supra.
Alpine for me
Please make a video of the 2020 Shelby GT 500
I'd consider a Cayman T if it was N/A.
Cayman GTS 4.0 is a 70-75k car for decent spec, so in a slight category above these 55-60k cars. I don't think I could spend 60k on either of those cars as tested, something from the used market I think would be a lot more exciting for less money (even with some set aside for maintenance) a 987.2 3.4s or 987 R 981 S or GTS, Alternately original M2 coupe for 30k would have 1 years bmw warranty and a 3.0L 6cyl and some back seats....
Both are fine cars 👍 but my Corolla diesel is the best by a mile
The hydraulic steering on my 986 makes the car engaging at all speeds. Feeling the camber of the road, the surface and the kickback. Porsche only filter it out because of modern power steering, not because they want to. IMO.
Can you do a cayman gt4 vs the a110R?
I really wish we got the A110 in the US (with a manual); or, failing that, they replaced the base turbo 4s in the Cayman with a de-turboed version of the 911's 3.0 liter flat-6.
Porsche did. Cayman/ Boxster is now available with a 4L flat 6
The A pillar of these cars is really thick ! The Porsche is more spacious inside, but the interior design is not as exciting as that of the Alpine, with the blue colour also being partly used in the doors. Motor of the Porsche is much easier accessible
In love with the Porsche!!!
Alpine is pretty nice too!
When these two are together doing a twin test, the test feel twice as long, feels too much like two guys in the Pub having a Pint.
A used new Cayman GTS would fit my taste better than one of the cars shown in the video. This season is unhappily anyway over and already next year you will get a GTS for almost the same money like a T entry model with the smallest Turbo Engine they offer.
Can't wait to see more of the Cayman GTS 4.0 😍😍😍
Excellent! I’ll take the alfa romeo 4c
I wish Renault would produce an A110 'Plus', with the engine and steering-mapping/geometry of the 'S', but produce a 'hybrid' suspension-tuning that was much closer to the standard car's damping (perhaps, identical to it), but with stiffer anti-roll bars. I'd keep the smaller wheels of the standard car - tires, I'm not sure about... That would be a truly perfect package.
It exist now , it is the gt version
How is this a comparism? No drag race, no lap times?
Here’s the thing:
1) get over the engine. I guess the issue is rather than the last generation had a Boxer 6 engine which sounded far better and “felt better”- but overall the new engine is lighter, more capable - just doesn’t sound as good!
2) I am confused, that car reviews came this way. These cars are just not track toys (for most). They are probably daily drivers for most people. Hence dismissing most of the every day capabilities and features is just ignorant and stupid.
Both cats are fun and very capable. But I would fit into the Cayman and the Cayman is more liveable - more comfy, roomy etc - than the Alpine. This is more important than subtleties!
This is not the day yet where turbo engines are as good as N/A, just a fact, they are getting better, but not there yet. And no they are not daily drivers, all you need is to go on the used market and have a look on the average mileage, these are week end cars mostly, hence why you will rarely see the A110 on the road. And having driven both, you can live with the A110, good for you if you prefer the Porsche, but both are able to fulfill the daily duties.
@@chumaxa Well - I owned a Boxster and it is a great daily driver. I also owned other small coupes/convertibles as well as have test driven a lot of others. And I honestly believe, that the small Porsche gives the best daily driving experience - without the compromise.
Mileage isn't also a good indicator (especially if you are living in London...) if it is a "daily driver". Obviously it won't be a car for a person who needs the car for his job...
I have seen this video at least 3 times and James' verdict baffles me, after his being so effusive in praise for the Cayman T. I was really expecting a split-decision. That said, the engineering recipe of the Alpine does not appear original to me. Those who have read a recent revisit of the Mercedes-Benz 300 SL's report by Autocar in the 1950's will know how this machine outdid the heavier and more powerful Ferraris of the day. The Mercedes 300 SL, like the Alpine, drew upon aluminium components to achieve this engineering superiority. And, I am sure that the Alpine, like the Mercedes 300 SL, gained in sheer agility from this. So, as admirably agile as the Renault is, I think that this was a recipe borrowed from great cars of the past like the Mercedes 300 SL gull-wing. With safety being such a high priority on my list, I would prefer the safer handling Porsche over the exhilaration of sheer agility and value for money which together I think, sadly, constitute the main criterion for the verdict of this video review.
If you prefer Xenon headlamps get the Cayman T.
Wow, it thats what makes you choose, happy motoring
@@rodneyapcar9384Woosh....the joke past just over your head right?
@@bobbychouffe6988 lame joke
Lovely review, nuanced, considered, informed and in a nerdy way, fun (which is what I want). But if I see that damn hill/bend combo on the proving ground one more time I’ll hurl my remote through the tv .
Oh, and I’d have the alpine. Lightness brings fun 👍
Luv the T, wudve bought it if it had the 2.5 ... & didnt have a roof 😜
The decision was pretty easy for me. Which one offers a manual? Right. So my lava orange T arrives in 10 weeks now. Good job, Alpine… you made a car designed specifically for that I didn’t even bother to look at.
When AUTOCAR reviews got so boring? Blá blá blá...Where are the track tests, the lap times? And why so much whining about the automatic transmission? After so many years with crappy auto transmissions, finally PDK and others DCT’s are so good and selling so much and some testers now want the manual transmission to engage?! Here is an idea: engage with a 987 Cayman. It’s a great car and you’ll be pleased!
Sound edition guys... please get the music lower, this happens in every video, when the music starts, the voices are much difficult to hear. I really don’t car about the music and i believe that most of us think the same. Don’t get me wrong, i like the editing but that part is quite annoying.
Thank you
I sticking with the Porsche
Porsche should take the new 6 cylinder engine from the GTS, and make a 4 cylinder version and stick it into the T, and reduce the tire width. IT needs to have some models in lineup that focus on fun for the street, and not outright speed which endangers the drivers license. Currently would always take the Alpine base model
Color grading is important 🤔
It's weird that Alpine didnt use a 2.0 for the S.
Not at all, they're on a tight budget.
It's heavier whereas they're looking to gain weight
Yeah, but could either of these beat me in my 53 plate Ford Ranger on a back lane, when I’m late for work?
Nope.
For the same packaging and Performance.. Alfa Romeo 4C was the best in this class of cars at a lower price and Carbon Fiber not Aluminum chassis And the best 4 Cylinder exhaust sound, on top of a magnificent Italian Ferrari style .. i think 🇮🇹
HussainOmran with camber and caster adjustment 4C is Amazing
And more beautiful than Both especially Porsche
Alpine best drive vs 4C alfa Bad drive
Alpine just has the right side of emotion that the Porsche does not.
The problem for the Alpine is the badge versus cost. £60k is a lot of money when you can own a Porsche badge... even if it's the obvious choice. I would love an Alpine A110S but at £30k. Needs to be like 370z money really to be a real viable choice. £60k gets you a lot of second hand car. eg an Aston Martin Vantage. It's gonna cost in maintenance but it's an Aston Martin, different level.
You're just care about what others think or to flex, that's fine if you need to flaunt your money. These guys are talking about the drive
Depend if you buy a sport car for the experience and the fun or for the badge and the social status
Cocorico 🇫🇷
1:58
braking in the corner like that...
Mid corner braking has kept me alive, just have to be careful
@@GadgetMart Happens to all of us sometimes, but it's sloppy driving and I would not be happy if I got caught on video with it ;)
Probably doing a cornering shot for a stills photographer and then chucking on the anchors for a three-point turn.
Did I miss something or did you guys go through your review without mentioning the most critical difference between the two cars - the Alpine weighs 700 LBS LESS THAN THE CAYMAN - hello? Mentioning that they have similar HP without giving the HP to weight ratio is a sin when comparing sports cars!
The video started with two lovely looking sports cars, then some cool music and i got all excited thinking about my love for sports cars, racing and the evocativeness of it all......
Then those two dorks entered the picture and my dream was shattered 😡😂
Patrick Bateman dorks? What are you, twelve? Did they use too many big words for you?
@@craigyirush3492 Craig Yirush They're so dull and nerdy!! I'm sure many would agree..he can't even make up his mind! He says the Cayman is the best sports car with manual and driving position is spot on and says the Alpine doesn't do it for him and then goes onto say he'd take the Alpine ffs! 🙈😂😂
Watch Davide Cironi reviews in comparison. You'll get so much a better idea of how a car makes you feel than this drivel unless you sympathise with these two dorks 😂😉
Patrick Bateman they both know more about cars than you do you pillock.
@@craigyirush3492 great come back 🙈🙈👍
Patrick Bateman it’s the truth. You couldn’t get a job doing what they do.
Alpine Formula 1 brought me here.
If Renault built a MANUAL I would rob a bank to get one. Instead I just watch and contemplate.
The Porsche is over-refined. Filtered steering feel, bah, that's an excuse for not being able to get as much feel as with the hydraulic rack. I have to wonder though, this doesn't seem like as good a comparison as the Alpine would have been with a 4C or an Elise SC.
As good as the Alpine might be it doesn't have everyday usability - plus it doesn't have a manual box. The Cayman remains the benchmark, so my money would go on the Porsche. Every time.
I'd have the Cayman, manual gearbox is essential for the experience. Otherwise why bother?
good choice!
Did you smash there like buttons
I saw dedicated Alpine shop in Paris!!! That was incredible, only Alpine cars.
You have 2 sports car to track day or to be enjoy...who tf can choose the one which wheight over 250kg more!!?
If we talk about cayman gts for 100k€ ok, but for the same 60k I have no doubt: A110 (with no S)
only if they shifted the indicator & headlamp stalk to right of the steering wheel & the wiper stalk to the left!!! really don't understand why cars built inherently as LHD are also built for RHD markets simple elements like the indicator stalk & gear selector display on the floor mounted 6-spd or 10-spd auto transmission remain unchanged in the RHD variant, deliberately not configured for RHD disciplines!!! they should be on the the right side, because that's how a RHD vehicle is configured!!! legendary automobile publications like Auto Car & Top Gear should protest & take up the matter with OEMs for the sake of safety at the very least if not anything else!!! I'm more than confident your subscribers & fans will support you in your protest without a shred of doubt!!! because your protest is 100% legitimate!!!
To me the alpine was a good idea but never quite got it right. Maybe its not available in the US. Not sure why i just don't care about it
I hate to be a pedant, but it's sub-lime, not sue-blime. It cut through me every time!
I will go for the Cayman 981 over the Alpine, I will go for the Alpine over the Cayman 718.
So you like sound over anything else...including vehicle dynamics. Try ASMR. It is cheaper.
Porsche looks good but Alpine looks classical
really??
Evora 400 for me please :)
I tried the Alpine and liked the noise of the engine. Then I went to test if it was real. Lowered the windows and went full steam in the next available tunnel and.... nothing! The noise is just a loudspeaker inside! I will stick with Porsche for quite a while 😁
Cheers,
I like your lie. try sport mode or track mode, you know, the bif red spot. The sound is real.
@@bobbychouffe6988 nope! All fake!
🇩🇪Porsche 👍❤️🎥👍
Porsche is charging close to one hundred thousand dollars for a loaded up four pot. It's a meme at this point.
Too capable I mean...Does this guy wanna maybe say something that not everyone says about the Cayman try something new
I just don’t like the look of the Alpine. Cayman for me, but not a 718. A used 981 GTS is 👌🏼
I will be getting a 981 GTS as soon I can find one!
Cayman has classic styling. 110 looks like a bit plainer, like a kit car. Cayman is a Porsche, 110 basically a Renault. Cayman has built in quality, 110 I suspect far less. Cayman is manual, 110 isn't, Porsche more common, 110 more exclusive. No competition in my view, the Porsche every day, but each to his own. Wonder how many people saying the 110 would still make that choice if they were actually walking into a showroom with a pocket of cash?
Never drove one but every tester I've seen testing it said the Alpine was a banger and a real joy to drive for sportscar enthousiast. This makes me think we need to drive the Alpine to understand how enjoyable it is to drive.
cayman because manual
if you think the Alpine A110S isn't extreme then you don't know what your driving!!!
The way they tried to make the Porsche win this one when even they know the Alpine is miles better... should be considered corrupted journalism. If were not for the fact that at the very end the even Porsche guy, recognizes the truth.
Skipped over the Cayman part, engine 'regrettable' in the summary is accurate
Bills have to be paid, and VAG has quite a spiteful reputation when it comes to critical reviews.
French everytime 👍♥️
Rolf Harris because you don’t have a drivers license?
Sir I am spscars a small automotive youtube channel sir I want to collaborate with your fantastic channel
guys, please spend a little more care setting up your sound recording. The sound is awful, we can't hear you over the road noises. This video is about my 2 favorite cars and it was sadly very unpleasant.
Sublime = "sub lime" not "Sue Blime"