"It's a Stupid Waste of Time!" - Tim Pool On Schools
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This is 100% accurate. I have 4 kids and 3 are graduates and my son would NOT do high school. It was constant trouble and “mom they’re all stupid and I don’t learn anything” so I sent him to trade school instead and he took off and today makes more than me at 24. The other 3 I taught them everything school didn’t
If you can do math, spell, speak correctly and know science by 12, there's no reason why you have to mix up with students dumber than you. My neighbor told me his kid goes to this liberal HS and they pass EVERYBODY, including the troublemakers and idiots.
School/uni is not bad the only reason it sucks now is because anyone can go to school and there is almost no requirement for merit(for most of the places). Education should be free but the requirement for entry should be so difficult that only those with a curiosity, capability and dedication to study are the ones who get to study.
Education is a privilege for those who are worthy and not a right for anyone whose parents have money.
You need basic high school math for most trades.
@@MJ_Bass One does not need to be in high school to learn high school math. Mathematical progression is detached from the setting.
@@MJ_Bass they don't teach it right, met teachers who really opened my eyes to the art of the science of math later in life such simpler explanations that excelled into the other levels smoothly and efficiently - in retrospect it's like they set us up to fail with this bs longform format, yes math is very important
Totally agree! I was placed in Special Ed early on bc of language delays when I was 4 even though was above average IQ. This was in the early 90’s when the schools were placing kids who shouldn’t have been in special ed but we’re placed bc the schools were getting more funding for doing so. This led to me learning literally
nothing, being taught by bird brain teachers and developing a permanent insecurity complex. Public schools were awful then and now are evil!!
Tim's success now is NOT in any way a normal expected outcome of someone who drops out of school after 8-9th grade. There are many challenges in today's public schools but for him to say go start doing whatever you feel makes you happy at such a young age and you'll be a better person is a recipe for failure. A huge percent of kids today have no adult role models to learn from. Is Tim going to tell the world he has a great grasp of math and science from just the 8th grade.....BS. I hate seeing one off people say their way would work for everyone when it's a complete fabrication. Listening to him he's a super genius who is 50 yrs ahead of the world. "I built a computer when I was 7yrs old, I went to a thrift store bought 5 parts put it together and installed windows on it." MY ASS!!! ROFL
Tim struck gold when he livestream the occupy protests that was his claim to fame and that was by far his biggest thing. If not for the occupy movement he would not have had the success of he has had
Part of the reason i'm saying this is because the occupy movement happened ten years after he dropped out of school
High school sucks and much of it is a waste, but this shows how someone can be "smart" in their own way, successful within their niche and still be kind of dumb. You can't just disregard the value of finishing high school, hopefully he was kind of joking. Tim's path was extremely "unique". He had a healthy, intellectually stimulating environment at home, he had an interest in computers and the web and access to them. His family had a business. He's a sharp guy who had good family support and was able to make life work for himself without high school. 99.9% of drop outs are going to have way worse results and are more likely to end up scrubbing toilets than being big shots on the internet like him.
@@garybeltrand5802
Tim was arguably in that 99% until the Occupy movement. Cause the Occupy movement happened 10 years after he dropped out. So it wasn't really like all those other things he said he did really amounted to anything sustainable or business worthy.
Uhh u can go on CZcams and learn math.
@@seekingsolutions7078 but apparently not English.....
I'm 37 so I've grown up in a similar world as Tim's. I went to high school in Toronto. The teachers were awful, not helpful, constantly going on strike for wage increases but the thing that drove me to quit was the students around me. Predominantly black, middle eastern, and Asian kids who had free reign to bully, harass, and even commit violence against the white kids.
In 10th grade a group of black kids told me if I didn't move my locker away from them, they'd kill me. That's when I had enough and said I'll take my chances dropping out rather than getting shanked at age 16 over a locker.
And I have no regrets to this day.
Meanwhile nothing has changed, teachers unions are still going on strike every couple years regardless of which government is in charge.
I'm 39, grew up in Durham region and schooling was the same.
I dropped out in grade 9
I don’t blame you. if I have a kid he or she is not going to school in general. home schooling is the way for self development and teaching what they’ll be good or Persue in, main takeaway is why is racism and sexism in school when they’re for education
@Johnathon This happen to you in Toronto in the 80s. Wow. I would have never thought something like that happened there. Thanks for sharing your story. I’m a black American but born and raise in the Caribbean. I was sold Toronto as ‘white privileged’ and that was not your experience. It took me traveling around the world last year to learn everything is a lie.
@@iamkesha. no such thing as white privilege.
Class privilege would be more appropriate.
I’ve been homeschooling for 16 years so far… we still have another 4-6 years depending on how our youngest does. Traditional school is a waste of time and energy. Glad to hear there are others who feel and think the same.❤
High school or college is a waste of time?
@@Ryan-pg7uoHigh school is 100% a waste of time and college unless you’re going to be an engineer or in healthcare, or trade school. HS in 2023 is just a bunch of crackheads, most of them are drug addicts they do coke, molly, xans, perks are smoking weed all day etc. it’s not a good environment for kids.
They do not teach Financial Education in School
Yeah they fucking do... In high school I took "Basic Economics" and my junior year I took "Advanced Economics" and my senior year I signed up for "Consumer Economics" all available at my public high-school
True. For me 75% percent of what my high school taught I've never used in my well-paid career. Why not teach students how loans work, entrepreneurship, personal development, living on a budget, investing, basic car maintenance etc. Instead of reading crap books in a language nobody speaks.
Because school is to train future workers for corporate America not entrepreneurship. Workers are require so capitalist entrepreneurs have “dumb” labor that doesn’t know they are being exploited and abused or forced to accept it because their healthcare is controlled by the employer. 80% of Americans are disengaged or actively hate their jobs.
Cars are shop class or trade school not regular high school.
Taxes don’t need to be learned because H&R Block pays/lobbies congress millions to keep tax laws confusing. UK and many other countries fill out tax forms when that start and then never have to do anything again until they state a new job because the British government handles everything every year while we pay $300 every year to sit in front of an accountant and stress about how much we are going to owe.
@Edward Midcrest I took the same class, so it's a dumb argument that "schools don't teach that stuff". Yes they fucking do, my classes where "Basic Economics" and "Advanced Economics" and "Auto Shop 1 & 2"... great classes! And all I had to do was not fuck off everyday and get loaded before class like a dipshit... I am a huge pot-head now that I'm older and got a good career going...thats the right time to get into drugs hehehee
We have the worst education system hands down in NY
Can personally confirm this, 90s to early 2000s
It's actually world-wide.
I completely agree with Tim. High school other than my computer science class didn't teach me a damn thing. I started not giving a shit about most classes by my junior year. Freshman year I had a 3.8 gpa and was in 3 honor classes. Senior year I almost completely stopped doing most of the tedious homework assignments and just aced the tests. I was in no honor classes and had a 2.4 basically solely from doing well on the tests.
Imagine if 1 billion children in India & China were to listen to this piece of advice & take it to heart... Just because this one individual has made it in life, you seriously expect hundreds of millions to achieve success if any, especially when ALL organizations & companies in the world ask for qualification or some academic background? Seriously, what rubbish.
How ignorant do you have to be to think that ALL organizations and companies ask for qualifications or academic backgrounds.
Seriously.
What rubbish.
Exactly!!!
As much as I like you Tim you're being an Idiot about this!!! It may have worked for you because you are super Intelligent but have you seen the stat's on the illiteracy rate amongst our youth??? We're raising a generation of fools!!! If all 14 year old drop out where will our Dr's, Mathematicians, Scientists, Scholars come from. At 14 0.00001% can barely adequately read let alone has a sniff of grasping semi complicated concepts!!! So now you've just become a part of the problem!!!
A lot of Indian and Chinese children will never see the inside of a classroom anyway. Tim’s advice doesn’t have any bearing on them. I’ve been saying this for a long time. The education system in the US is a waste of time for a lot of people. It’s a joke. I have a degree but it’s not for everyone. My brother got in a lot of trouble at school. When he finally got kicked out in the 8th grade he got a job, learned hvac and plumbing and now he has his own company. All organizations don’t require an education. A lot of my factory employees don’t even fill out the education part of the application but I’m eager to offer them training if they show even a small amount of interest in operating machines. Some machine operators make close to 6 figures with overtime
Yep. Nothing beats an anecdotal evidence. The same logic as "my granny smoked two packs a day and died at 90 ... so, smoking is not harmful."
@@kbab3333 you mean like the anecdote “I worked hard in high school, and now I’m a success!”
Cuz that’s a dumbfuck anecdote with no basis in the data! 😂
For every tim pool out there, there's 10 high school drop outs that's never amounted to anything and life was disappointment. I get his experience and recollection of school was poor.
In my opinion this completely depends on what your over all career path is going to be if you plan on going to college and want to become an engineer, doctor, lawyer, or something like that yes you probably need some of the things you're gonna learn in high school because the math it's harder, basic biology, etc. etc. having said that if you are not going to college and you are going to use your physical ability to simply work hard and learn a skill or working manufacturing or work your way up in the food industry to management or whatever no he is completely right there's not a single thing I learned in high school That I needed working in manufacturing most of manufacturing was somebody teaching you how to do your job learning it properly and then just simply working and physically working your butt off how many people in life go this route and never actually go to college a lot so in that aspect yes high school is nothing more than a waste of time for a lot of people now like I said before it's not for everyone a.k.a. lawyer Doctor No there's a lot you've got to learn for the average person know it's a waste of time
Respect Tim’s idea for kids to learn from adults… except that it is not practical. My wife and I tried teaching our kid simple stuffs, like simple words, maths, time… But progress was super slow. Once she started making friends in kindergarten, she surprised us by reading short notes at home. Turned out her friend inspired her to read. So my advice is: choose your kid’s friends wisely. Form a community of like-mind parents and let the kids mingle. That would probably be the best scenario.
There's a very basic key to education. You don't teach your kid to read. You instill in them the desire to read. This is the way you should "teach" everything.
Choose your kid's friends, huh. Good luck with that. 🤣
It seems like Tim was one of those kids who was not popular and that’s why he hates high school. I agree about not spending money by going to a random uni but socialising at high school age is very important or you become very awkward.
That’s why younger kids with siblings learn to talk faster
@@stillsearching5816 Tim's over simplistic description of school is pure nonsense. There are certainly bad teachers. There are great teachers too. That Tim says every single math class was just a teacher telling students to do problems in a book with no instruction is a total lie.
Education in its current form is a relic from a bygone era. High school for me was mostly okay, I enjoyed history class but that was it and I never made any real friends just friendly acquaintances.
Tim took the role of being an apprentice in the things that held his interest. The counsel from the world's wisest man, King Solomon is key in this and every situation of life: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6. "In the way he should go" means to find the child's unique talents and educate them along with the discipline of Christ. This will provide a livelihood. And you don't let the child give up. The lesson of perseverance will last a lifetime.
I'm only 15 years old, and going to a public school. To be completely honest, it's really not much different from how you described it. They really dont teach you much that could be considered productive nowadays, and it's still the absorbtion based system that it was decades ago.
I love this! I was in a similar situation. When I was 16 I almost altogether stopped going to school. I didn’t understand the point of it. But I unfortunately had a bad attitude and was hanging out with a bad crowd. I’ve overcome it now as an adult. Thankfully I was in a major accident where I had to relearn to walk & use my right arm. That taught me work ethic and focus. Then I applied it to giving myself my own financial education. I’m now 100% confident I can be financially free long term and have a dozen children and achieve my goals. I’m 7 weeks away from my arm being a normal arm and I’m going to work at the bank as a financial advisor. I barely graduated high school and I never went to college. I applied last summer to see what would happen and half the banks in town wanted to hire me! I’m beyond excited to crush it!
Have a good day everyone! Dream big! ❤️
I’ve been saying this all my life. Tim is spot on.
No it’s complete bullshit. Tim literally should not be taken seriously 😂🤦🏻🤡
Look at average income for a non-high school graduate vs a Harvard Grad… you’ve been wrong your whole life lmaoooooo 🤣🤣
"School is pointless"- a guy that didnt even go to high school 😂😂
You are confusing school with learning. Learning is fundamental. School is way of doing it, not everyone is cut out for it. You have too much energy, you are creative, you are disagreeable.
In High School's defense, it makes much more sense than college
At least High School is free, and you're done at 3PM.
They both are pretty stupid, he's not wrong.....
but at least you don't have to go into debt to waste 6 hours a day
But you don’t learn enough for a good job
I hated school but I persevered, went on to get multiple college degrees. Now I'm set for life I can get a job anywhere in the country no problem. He's full of crap.
@@phatgringo2.0 No it’s not that’s kind of the point you got to pay to play we need a better job training system then College institutions
@@phatgringo2.0 You can say the same for him, and he for you. Going to college to get a liberal arts degree that literally benefits no one except for propagandists is not worth the money unless you are and activist or work for some nonprofit holding onto 95%. You can make 200k a year as a self-employed carpenter if you are good and put the time in. You don't need a college degree to be successful. Doctors, engineers and only a few other professions need true formal education. Most things can be learned easier on your own or as you go.
@@TM-lq1qf well back when they taught and had vocational we learned trades, I've used those skills many times through out my life.
Got my kids out of school and started unschooling them when they were in elementary school
the vast majority of Americans who did not finah highschool have had a hell of a hard time getting by in life. The high school diploma/ GED is the bare minimum you have to do in order to get by in life in this country.
The people who dropped out of high school and have a hard time are the kind of people who have average or below average intelligence. Tim isn't one of those people. For people who are industrious, fast learners, and intelligent, the current public school system as its currently set up is often a waste of time. The below average and average intelligence probably needs formal education, but it's worth noting how the genuinely smart, problem-solving, industrious, and creative individuals who have become highly successful also didn't finish high school. Exceptions exist. For example, I mostly had a positive experience with education because I mostly went to private schools with higher standards, higher difficulty, and teachers that actually cared and tried to help and develop their studemts if they were willing to learn, but the public school system caters to the lowest common denominator and isn't very good for those who are above average. It's worth noting that the modern public education system was modeled to pump out obedient, non-binding assembly line factory workers.
I disagree. Highschool diplomas & geds are a made up concept.
No teacher during my school days 1959 to 1971 ever did that. What the heck happened? They should not be paid.
Tim is brilliant and has incredible energy and drive however he mistakenly believes this is common for other 14 year olds. He’s an outlier..
I left High School hafway through at 16. Didnt finish it. Did an apprenticeship as a heavy diesel mechanic.
Went back to University and studied law at night while working full time. Grauated last year with bachelors degree in Law. There should better accommodation for people to leave school young and make their own path in life
Kids in high school should be learning a trade.
Emphasis on education is why children of immigrants from Asian and African countries tend to do well and often better than most Americans. And the subsequent lack of real structured education for the general public is the major difference between developed nations and developing nations. Without a way to get the public general education you can’t start to build up the groups of STEM employees or people who can make the creative literature, philosophy, and many different types of art.
What Tim is suggesting would literally slide the country backwards.
Agreed. My high school was a lockbox .. then college.... the debt gave me no life skills & put me back not forward
This is a rough take. Most people need to high school math / sciences, not to mention the friendships and extracurricular activities that happen during high school.
I disagree that all school is useless. In Electrical Engineering to run the power grid, you need to have completed courses that will teach you about circuits, power loads, distribution, generation. If you don't them you could shut down all the electricity to our nation. The knowledge you learn at school is valuable in the right field of study.
There is nothing about those things that cannot be learned on the job as an apprentice, journeyman, and eventual master.
@@bogkazealijamislim5998 agree 💯
@@bogkazealijamislim5998 if a surgeon stated he didn't go to college, and just learned as an apprentice .. he won't be anywhere near my body 😂
@@aladdin3241 sorry to hear that you've been duped by licensing boards and gatekeepers in higher education. Bootlicker!
@@bogkazealijamislim5998 lmao. You could never be an electrical engineer without school.
Kids…stay in school.
Not if you like to learn, kids.
As much as I like you Tim you're being an Idiot about this!!! It may have worked for you because you are super Intelligent but have you seen the stat's on the illiteracy rate amongst our youth??? We're raising a generation of fools!!! If all 14 year old drop out where will our Dr's, Mathematicians, Scientists, Scholars come from. At 14 0.00001% can barely adequately read let alone has a sniff of grasping semi complicated concepts!!! So now you've just become a part of the problem!!!
School is a waste of time.
TIM IS RIGHT. I prefer my Doctors don’t go to high school just learn it from CZcams.
I always did advanced courses and got my advanced diploma in school. I was on the honor role all my life.
My old friend in highschool started to not care and failed everything and didnt care.
He went off to a good college and now makes great money while i work as a laborer barely gettin by.
He had a well off family that helped him thru life.
I have no family to help me and i had to start paying bills when i was 17 so my mother wouldnt be homeless.
School doesnt mean anything without relationships and a plan.
(I had a 4 year scholarship i couldnt take advantage of because i had to go straight to work to survive.)
Is he serious? An intelligent slacker who struck gold and was able to monetize that’s the exception not the rule!
Honestly he works his ass off these days. Working is living, living is Working. I sure af don't want his job and if you did you would do it.
It's just what happens when you work hard. He's far from the exception. Anyone who puts in the effort toward a career can find success. Non lazy people are doing it everyday with way less than you.
I did the same thing. Freshman year I was out of there. I do pretty good for myself nowadays. 38 years old own multiple homes a successful business and have enough money to keep Bacon on the table!
His ego is enormous. If I CAN DO IT> YOU CAN DO IT! Yeah, nice idea doesn't work.
@@snakejazz he represents 2% of the adult population that the the literally definition of exception!
Though unfortunately, we've created a paradigm in which school attendance is mandated by law and that in order to get semi-decent employment, one has to have (and show) a largely worthless piece of paper known as a high school diploma, a document indicating not how smart someone is, but how well they sit down, shut up and follow orders. To be fair, there still exists some jobs in which obedience and doing everything ''by the book'' is the most important skill, but there's also many more careers where creativity and outside-the-box thinking rank as some of the most important skills, especially in industries like tech, side gig services (like AirBnB and Uber), art, etc.
The current system of Prussian-like schooling may have made a kiloton of sense when it was invented in the 19th century, as the overwhelming majority of jobs that emerged were repetitive factory jobs where conformity and obedience were vital to the smooth manufacturing of goods. Nowadays, a far smaller percentage of people in the developed world work in factories (though today's ''cube farm'' corporate jobs tend to have the repetitiveness and need for conformity as the 1800s factory jobs, despite them not having to) and heck, conventional 9-5 or 8-5 employment is now partially giving way to freelancing, entrepreneurship (despite the ever increasing regulations and bureaucracy imposed by the government, chiefly at the behest of big box corporations), part time work, ''side'' gig type jobs, etc.
Not to mention, if someone takes a liking to the ''academic'' and STEM fields, the one-size-fits-all approach that all public (government) schools are required to use when teaching those subjects is probably among the worst ways to learn things like science, math, English language arts, literature, history, geography, etc. In fact, I'm willing to bet the main reason at least some students don't do good in certain academic studies is because of how the subjects are taught!
All I know is this numerous times when buying items, the young person behind the counter was at a loss to give correct amount of change back. Simple Basic Math!
I have a Master's Degree.
The American Educational system needs serious re- evaluation.
My Dad had a 7th grade education, but was a Union member. He was able to purchase multiple houses in Orange County, CA.
College is now a racket and a brain washing exercise.
My dad taught me about computers in 1995 and i have learned more and more ever since. I also dropped out of High school and to this day i run circles around my IT department. I have also built an inventory system for my corporation yet i cant get the money i deserve. #DiamondNDRough
Get your GED if you don't already have it. The exam is laughably easy. Then enroll in Western Governor's University's program for cyber security. If you don't know about this school yet: it's a fully accredited university that is the best I know of in several different ways.
1. They won't hold you back. Instead of only two school terms per year and each one starting in August and January, they start new terms every month.
2. The curriculum isn't filled with useless crap that will take more than two full years and tens of thousands of dollars to get through. Instead nearly every course consists of only the things you need to become a cyber security expert.
3. They don't hold you back. You go completely at your speed. If there's a course that in a normal university lasts 15 weeks but you can get through it in three weeks, more power to you. They'll let you take the final exam, and zoom onto the next course. I can almost guarantee you will go from nothing to having an accredited cyber security bachelor's degree in 20 months or less.
4. The name of the game is certifications. I've noticed in cyber security that companies seem to almost care more about certifications than having a degree. But it makes sense. To get the certification you have to pass exams that are geared almost entirely real world scenarios. If you can get certified it shows you know what to do in the real world. Here's the secret weapon of getting a degree at WGU. Unlike other universities where you are on your own to get certifications (which are very expensive) at WGU you get all the certifications for free. That in itself is worth thousands of dollars.
5. Of all the areas of IT, the area that pays the most and has the most relatively stress-free environments is cyber security.
6. At WGU instead of $15,000 for one semester for four or five courses, they charge $3,900 for six months and it's up to you how many courses you complete in six months.
7. You can make it even cheaper. If you go to Study.com, you pay only something like $140 per month to take courses. And WGU will accept those courses and transfer the credit to you. I think there's maybe 13 to 16 classes at Study.com that you could apply to WGU.
Now here's the incredible story of my stepson that should be the motivating factor.
My stepson is from the Philippines. English is his third language. Until he got to the States six years ago he had never held a job in his life.
He arrived here, got his Green card and began the usual: dead end minimum wage job at a department store.
Then a year and a half later he became a greeter at a high end restaurant. Same dead end: $10 per hour.
Then COVID hit. We lived in Mississippi which was among the last states to shut down from covid. It took more than a year. But eventually restaurants had to close.
So there was my unemployed $10 per hour son, sitting there in 2021. You know what he did? He went on to CZcams, watched videos religiously for two or three months and got his CompTIA A+ certification. Not a big thing. The lowest, beginner IT certification there is. But it opened the door. It got him a low level IT job at a local hospital, and they started him at $18 per hour. So in a matter of three months he went from a $10/hr guy to an $18/hr guy. Nearly a 100% raise. That sparked him. Repeat. Rinse. Repeat. So he spent time studying at passed his CompTIA Network+ certification.
Guess what? With just six months IT experience and just his A+ and Network+ certifications Amazon hired him to help keep their network up and running at one of their warehouses. And they offered him $30/hour. So in ten months he had gone from $10/hour to $30/hour and his mind was really on fire.
At Amazon it didn't matter what task they asked him to do, he did it gladly and thoroughly. Anything he didn't know, he never faked it. He just asked around until he found someone to show him what to do. All that mattered is getting the task done. Meanwhile he kept studying and he passed his CompTia Security+ exam. Amazon saw he was a good worker. When an IT manager found out he had his Security+ certification he asked my son if he had any real interest in Cyber Security. My son said yes.
On the spot they offered him a raise to $40/hour if he would be willing to move to Austin, Texas, and dedicate himself to learning cyber security.
So he did that in December of 2021. He spent the last year learning cyber security at Amazon's expense while helping out with small cyber security tasks along the way. Each time he got a certification or learned some set of things they gave him a raise, and put him on a higher level team. It's been 16 months now. He got a raise to $100,000 then to $125,000. Now his base salary is $150,000 and they gave him $60,000 of Amazon stock.
In other words, this young man has gone from an unemployed $10/hour restaurant greeter in Mississippi in the middle of covid, to $200K annual compensation in two years. A foreigner, brown guy, with no degree, and English as his third language. He doesn't know math. He doesn't know science. He doesn't know electronics, and until this year he didn't know any computer programming. It's just that there is such a dire critical shortage in cyber security workers that companies are desperate. If they suffer security breaches and it looks like they weren't trying to prevent them, they can get sued or fined tens of millions of dollars. That should be pretty motivating.
School has one purpose…It integrates you into work life.Getting up every morning and going somewhere you dont really want to go untill 3-4pm.You have 3 breaks,Teachers(line mangers) and a headmaster(Manager).Its taught into you,you must go or you will be punished….
My life was similar but with a twist. If you ever watched "Rush", I was exactly like James Hunt. I saw myself in him 💯. I wanted to prove a point I could be a straight A student by beating the dude who was always top of the class. But after that happened, a new year came and I noticed a new race started just to prove a point again and after a few more years, I said I was done with school. I hate routine, the only exceptions I have are routines in regards to health, and I have no choice but to compromise. But everything else comes second. So I left, and fast forward, I'm an entrepreneur on the path to where I really wanna be. Sometimes, some people get lucky enough to know when it's their subconscious talking and then listen to it. That's one really underrated thing that is not talked about much.
I'm 43. School WAS like prison. when I was in school, by law, a child had to go to school until he/she was 16. homeschooling existed, but not many people did it. If a child wasn't going to school back then, the parents could get in legal trouble.
The last point made was on point, if they are interested then they want to learn. Education, true education, builds on a child's interests/understanding/knowledge. Institutions niw rarely do any of this, in fact they ignore the first, ridicule the second and subvert the last.
Do not risk your child by blindly handing them over to strangers.
He’s right. High school is just repeating the same shit over and over each year. Students should get to take the GED each year starting 9th grade, and get to leave with a full diploma if they pass.
I dropped out in my senior year with several dozen college credits because it was undeniably more profitable short and long term to learn a trade and start an llc
There are some jobs you cannot get without a high school diploma but doesn't need it due to the federal government forcing industries to require a high school diploma.
Great video
This is entirely dependent on the individual, there is no one size fits all plan. I dropped out and it was the right choice for me, and have a lot parallels to Tim, but if you aren’t an ambitious self starter then high school is 10x better then turning kids loose on the streets.
It's an even more waste of time now .
No one expects to be successful after high school but we do it so we won’t be so ignorant. Hopefully the parents who birthed these kids will lecture their kids enough to pay attention to the right things
“Don’t confuse Schooling with Education. You can have all the Schooling in the world and still be an idiot” - Mark Twain.
It's not really school or no school. Its simply down to the individual. I know a fair few people who dropped outta school early and went absolutely nowhere - likewise i know some who did opposite
Thank you PBD at 7:35 thank you for bringing Pool back to earth and realizing a 14 year old in 2003 vs 2023
I was around 16ish when I dropped out. I can relate a lot to that
I think Tim is a one-percenter in that he is curious to the extreme and finds productive things to do with his discretionary time. His path made him successful in a way; I wouldn't suggest to anyone dropping out of school at 14 is a path to success.
He does have a number of good observations. One, really smart and really dumb kids benefit from high school; average academic kids are commodity products who get very little life skill stuff. The primary benefit is to keep them busy and out of trouble. Two, his observations about the coffee shop and being with adults; it'd be better to let kids "graduate" earlier and get around adults sooner in life.
Highschool isn’t fun but graduating is a requirement to get many jobs that pay the bills. Telling people they shouldn’t graduate is short sighted. Many jobs will not accept you without a high school degree. It’s a gatekeeping process that allows you to move forward and in life because other people can’t know what’s in your head. You need ways to certify your skill set to employers that don’t know you well. “Just do what your passionate about” may work for some naturally high IQ people but some people are so wild they need the structure of highschool just so they can be a decent and civilized employee that doesn’t cause problems for others.
I agree, complete waste of time. My husband pulled my 12 year old out of school and now hes been spending that time in the garage with my husband learning a trade. It even lowed stress on the entire family. The government wont raise mine
This is peak insanity...Tim Pool thinks that if we abolished school, all the kids would be busy learning to code, programming websites and travelling the country instead of wasting their time with socializing, arithmetic, literacy and science.
Exactly!!!!
As much as I like you Tim you're being an Idiot about this!!! It may have worked for you because you are super Intelligent but have you seen the stat's on the illiteracy rate amongst our youth??? We're raising a generation of fools!!! If all 14 year old drop out where will our Dr's, Mathematicians, Scientists, Scholars come from. At 14 0.00001% can barely adequately read let alone has a sniff of grasping semi complicated concepts!!! So now you've just become a part of the problem!!!
Makes sense that this would be the view point of someone who never takes his beanie off lol
He didn't go to school so he's always spoke ill of school. How many people without education are actually successful in percentage terms? Even his own childhood friends, he should look and see how many dropouts are doing well. You're the exception, don't make it look like everyone can be as you are. Most people do well within a structure. I like him but his views on education is somehow misguided. He has a lawyer, accountant, doctor and many that he pays big money for their service, he thinks those got their qualifications in the streets? Give us a break Tim
Any dropout I know now works at a liquor store or vape store and they are in their 30s. Always broke and blowing their paychecks
Said with gusto. Absolute hole in one, Tim
Disclaimer: School is a waste of time for ambitious people with a plan. For lazy people that are not being limited by the time restraints of school this is hight not recommended
I learned a lot in high school.
Tuttle Twins education vacation book was eye opening
I didn’t learn anything in my 4 years in high school was bored most of the time just repeating things and writing them down that’s all they do really I graduated in 2002 right when I left that was when the iPhone came out it changed the game you can self educate yourself from anywhere . I tried one semester of college I stoped going a few months after. Just got a job and learned very quickly that you need to be very good at how money really works if you have that understanding. You will be more better of then most people. After working a few years and saving up started buying real estate . The moment I did that my mindset about money total changed. I can say most people just go to school to please there parents college is good if you want to be a doctor or good If you really want to be productive learn trades you will be better of . Real estate has made more millionaires than anything else .
Watching this video is a waste of my time. 🤔
I learned absolutely NOTHING in school. All the important skills that mattered to me and I utilize now for my career were all self-teaching thanks to the internet and some workshop classes I enrolled in on my own accord. I took a workshop class to learn art fundamentals like drawing, visual development, and painting, I took an online course to learn photoshop, blender, flash (now animate), after effects, illustrator, and zbrush. And from there I continued to teach myself and learn new skills every day until this day. Now I work as a Game Illustrator and I earn extra from my independent Webcomic and merchandising. NOTHING I learned in school has contributed to what I'm doing today. I am a business graduate and regret taking that course. I learned trading in financial markets on my own and did not learn squat from college. I didn't pursue a corporate career cuz it looked boring and soul-draining, so I decided I wanted to be an artist. In fact, the only thing school has done was burden my parents with expenses. I got in trouble with my teacher cuz I would spend time doodling instead of listening in class. My parents scolded me and told me that drawing is a waste of time and my grades are more important. I look back now and see the opposite, GRADES DON'T MEAN SQUAT, and I would've become a better artist had I started honing my drawing skills at a younger age.
Tim probably hated school because he was made fun of for wearing the same thing everyday
wow tim’s amazing
That schedule makes a lot of sense based on twens natural rhythm
I barely graduated high school, all my siblings and friends graduated college and got careers. I started a business and make more than all of them combined. Several have worked for me when they fell on hard times. I will be strongly directing my children away from college.
PreK-12 makes sense and is needed. Higher education is hit or miss
Preach
Tim is very gifted. Most people aren't. Unfortunately, you need a diploma to get most jobs. Schools are terrible at teaching real life skills. Teachers don't have any. So, they teach to their strengths.
I don't know, man....
I mean this is true, you can work without going to college. Teachers and professors are just not motivated to teach like they used too.
Most teachers are mediocre
no country accepts legal white immigrants who dont have college degrees. so a south african without a university degree cant escape his shithole country unless he is rich,.
Tim is so very on point on this.
As an engineer, I don't totally agree with this statement. Definitely depends what you go into.
I went to high school just to play football 🏈
This is dope
If we are looking to others to change education..... you'll be waiting a long time. It's OUR responsibility to feed the hunger for learning. Time to get more than involved parents... time to ignite the fires of curiosity and passion. School is horribly bad at this
My youngest son has said he hasn't learned anything since the Fifth grade he graduated very early he had just turned 17. Today's school is a joke.
Lol newgrounds....boy that takes me back
Any centralized system is going to try to cater to the most it can... that will be average intelligence, every time.
If you have a good head on your shoulders, he's 100% right.
This is why degree = idiot. You can see it everywhere.
The worst people at 'thinking for yourself' I know, are all the people with degrees.
Tim is right.
flash was not around in 911
My boss told me I needed to have a Bachelors degree to not get caught in a salary cap. So I did.
Paid a crap ton of money to University of Phoenix for three years. Learned NOTHING that was applicable.
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Team Tim on this one.
I didn't graduate from my sophomore year of highschool and I make 6X the median income of my current living area.
Wild that Tim didn't graduate highschool..if i didn't know better id say he went to a ivy league school
They don't teach the orgin of money
100%
I really can’t support not sending your kids to school. I agree with Tim on a lot but this is a ridiculous point.
That's why he lacks proper analytical skills.
Depends on the school and the ciricumlum.
Fellow dropout who has lived his life well and despite what the "experts" say
yeah i dropped out at 17, looking back now, im 45, i wonder why i didnt drop out sooner, i got a ged, worked, learned people skills, learned other skills, did a stint in the military, wrote books that sell to low, started a business that my robotics job supports, dropping out was one of the best things that happened to me
This guy talking some real stuff we need to educate our kids not the teachers that half the time don’t show u nothing
Amen TimPool
Mmm with whose money ? U did all this with because at 14 I was broke 😂😂