Why Kenya And Somalia Have a Complicated Relationship

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  • čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
  • Kenya and Somalia has an on and off relationship dating back to the colonial days.
    00:00 Shifta War
    07:35 Somali Govt Collapse
    11:55 Maritime Boundary Dispute

Komentáře • 147

  • @cabdirshidosman9649
    @cabdirshidosman9649 Před 7 měsíci +49

    Somalis didn't expand their presence from north, they are indigenous to where they are in Somalia,Djibouti, NFD and the Somali region/Ogaden in Ethiopia.

  • @chance258
    @chance258 Před měsícem +9

    As a Somali, I don’t support Pan-Africanism because it is firmly against Somalia. Pan-Africanists will usually take the side of anyone opposing Somalia, yet simultaneously claiming that we are “all Africans” and should help one another. They have consistently betrayed & disappointed us. It’s clear Pan-Africanism has never had the interests of Somalia in mind.

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před měsícem +3

      Precisely, even though somalis have contributed massively to the african cause. We havent been treated right. InshAllah somalia position will be restored and corrected justly

    • @fathiacabdi
      @fathiacabdi Před 22 dny

      I don’t blame them, look at us we are a mess and driven by tribalism and we are everywhere instead of sticking to our land 😢

  • @HadalsameTV
    @HadalsameTV Před 7 měsíci +21

    One of the many crimes commited by the colony.

  • @saalaxsm7913
    @saalaxsm7913 Před 4 měsíci +10

    We Somalie 🇸🇴 will never leave that area,like when we build our self we will take it back for sure, like the rest did.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo Před 3 měsíci

      How can you leave your own home?

    • @mkenyamzalendo4130
      @mkenyamzalendo4130 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Try we Kenyans we are ready to face you 😊

    • @bugazi3037
      @bugazi3037 Před 2 měsíci +1

      ⁠@@mkenyamzalendo4130there’s 2 million Somali in Nairobi alone plus 10 million in whole country even though our Somali government no longer interested in territorial wars but it doesn’t mean we forget about our people and territories they will always be part of our nation

    • @mkenyamzalendo4130
      @mkenyamzalendo4130 Před 2 měsíci

      @@bugazi3037 well you’re dumb or braindead when claiming that there are 2M somali in Nairobi, dude do you know what you’re talking about??, Nairobi has a population of 4M are you insane to say half are Somali? Somalia as a country has a total of 17M people, where do you exactly get your figures from??. Like i said your little minds of entitlement is causing chaos in Sweden and north America….

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj Před měsícem

      @@mkenyamzalendo4130easy work

  • @maddogbasil
    @maddogbasil Před 7 měsíci +40

    This is why pan africanism will never work
    Even though somali people helped kenyans during the mao mao rebellion
    The kenyans still betrayed them and kept Colonial borders insead of freeing fellow Africans

    • @warfaa_soysoy
      @warfaa_soysoy Před 7 měsíci +13

      as a kenyan i can agree with you sadly!

    • @user-tk6lc8zv9c
      @user-tk6lc8zv9c Před 7 měsíci +8

      Terrible lie!. How could they help Mau Mau while still under Italian rule.

    • @ewm4266
      @ewm4266 Před 7 měsíci

      How the fuck did you help Kenyans during the maumau rebellion when you were under Italian rule, No pics show Somalis in Kikuyu huts..like WTF😂😂

    • @ggtl304
      @ggtl304 Před 7 měsíci +9

      ​@@user-tk6lc8zv9cSomalis from north east ,did help with finances, especially somali businemen from Nairobi and thika at the tym ,I think you didn't attend classes za history jamaa😂

    • @user-tk6lc8zv9c
      @user-tk6lc8zv9c Před 7 měsíci +6

      @@ggtl304 Where is Somalia in this?. I thought north eastern people are Kenyans despite being ethnic Somalis. If they did they didn't do it for Somalia where they didn't live . Everytime a Kenyan speaks like he is from Somalia isolates himself from other Kenyans.

  • @warsameguhaadbahdoon6401
    @warsameguhaadbahdoon6401 Před 5 měsíci +9

    Unfortunately Kenya’s official state historiography has suppressed this tragic and traumatic history of my people. Despite being raised with stories and memories of state violence, we were never educated on this history. They tried to silence, burry or repress it; it’s a political taboo talking about Shifta liberation efforts. THANKS for creating such a well researched and informed documentary.

    • @John-nt9ip
      @John-nt9ip Před 4 měsíci +1

      I can only imagine how horrible that is. I wouldn’t wish anyone to live in fear and witness bloody murder. I am sorry to hear of your pain under the thumb of the Government.
      I admit I do not know what Kenya’s official state historiography is. I would like to know more about it if at all possible.
      Indeed, the killing of thousands of people by the Kenyan army during the Shifta war was censored. This was one of the findings of the Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission of Kenya.
      Whether genuine or not, President Kenyatta publicly admitted the atrocities live on the official government news channel after TJRC gave their report. He also put aside money adding the admission of guilt similar to the one by Nelson Mandela.
      TJRC hearings were live on three mainstream media channels including the Government channel.
      Things have changed after 2007.
      Speaking from personal experience, the plight of the Somal is more widely discussed. Late last year a discussion was had in a shuttle matatu I was in for the duration we were stuck in traffic about the Shifta war and the massacre. To be fair, I do live among the Borana and Sakuye.
      I learned a lot about the massacres passively. I learned about the Wagalla massacre and those two-page articles in the newspaper. Before that, I used to know it as the Moi massacre / village massacre / mass grave massacre.
      I learned about the Bulla Massacre and the Ethiopian Massacre from mainstream media.
      There are even some I vaguely remember like a failed East Africa coordinated coup that was brutally crushed.
      Citizen TV did a feature on the Wagalla Massacre. KTN and Citizen interviewed the surviving victims of the massacre.
      The Prime Minister visited the Wagalla Memorial.
      There was the repeal of the 1972 law and the prosecution of those responsible.
      Our school doesn’t teach about government massacres and manipulations in history class, just targeted assassinations and systematic oppression in a broader sense.
      That said all my early knowledge about Somali and Borana I learned from my neighbors but most of it I learned from my secondary school library. There was a book of essays and biographies called History of Africa in our school library.
      I went to a public school under the Free Day Secondary Education.
      If I didn’t go to Secondary school I would have been ignorant of the following probably until my adulthood.
      -The name Northern Frontier District.
      -The villagization and manipulation of the Boran through the massacre of their animals.
      -The Waso Borana boycott of the first elections.
      -The somalization of Borana in the 30s after their displacement from Wajir by the British due to religious fights; which subsequently led to their separation from their Ethiopian kin.
      -The Samburu were moved North by the British.
      -Gafa shifta, Somali Youth League, Northern People Party, Galla-Somali border, Daba camps
      -A DC of the NFD who was killed in the 60s
      -The state of emergency in the NFD in the 60s

    • @John-nt9ip
      @John-nt9ip Před 4 měsíci +1

      Corrections: Thoes resposible were not procecuted. I meant to say 'There was the repeal of the 1972 law that prevented the prosecution of those responsible.'
      The book from Secondary school was the History in Africa Journal volume 23. The specific paper was Writing Biographies of Borana by Mario I. Aguilar who tries to present history from individual biographies as much as from archives.

    • @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation
      @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation Před 2 měsíci

      No one is trying to silence you my brother these information is freely available for any person to look at

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj Před měsícem

      Walahi I love Kenyans they are more somali than the somalis themselves. Good people and funny people too 😂

  • @thomasyebei8540
    @thomasyebei8540 Před 7 měsíci +16

    This is one of the most well researched documentary on relationship between Kenya and Somalia

    • @ness.
      @ness.  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Thank you.

  • @user-yi4dr1mp9w
    @user-yi4dr1mp9w Před 4 měsíci +9

    Great somalia will unite again

  • @JohnNjengaCOCO
    @JohnNjengaCOCO Před 7 měsíci +10

    The best Documentary so far.

    • @ness.
      @ness.  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you

  • @John-nt9ip
    @John-nt9ip Před 4 měsíci

    Great informative video. I learned some new things.
    Keep up the good work!

  • @senit.k5262
    @senit.k5262 Před 4 měsíci +3

    We are all brother's and sisters. One Africa 🌍. We don't know eachother very well .we love eachother. Lets not see eachother through the enemies lens. Its enough for all of us. All we need is unity. One Africa. Lets concure what God gave us and sustain our self . God bless the world. Lvu all my brother's and sister's . ETHIOPIAN Eritrean canadian 🥰🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @RealSavage7
    @RealSavage7 Před měsícem

    Good video. 👍

  • @hoverboy
    @hoverboy Před 3 měsíci +15

    And there are Maasai in Tz and Kenya, Luos and Lughyas in Ug, Oromos in Ethiopia and Kenya. So what's wrong with there being Kenyan Somalis? I bet most Kenyan Somali people today would rather have that Kenyan passport than a Somalia one.

    • @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation
      @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation Před 2 měsíci +4

      It's the thing I don't get as a Kenyan because the Somalis own their own lands in these provinces I don't know why they are fighting for the land they already have

    • @AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw
      @AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@@Oh-God-Of-All-Creationare you okey

    • @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation
      @Oh-God-Of-All-Creation Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@AbdulkadirFarah-cz6yw yes I am what about you are you okay??

    • @donomar8517
      @donomar8517 Před měsícem

      Somalis came from harar...and went east and south...not from east to south..

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj Před měsícem +1

      @@donomar8517where are you getting this information from 😂. Randomly spawned in a town called harar eh?

  • @COD-MIIR.
    @COD-MIIR. Před 5 měsíci +6

    [🇸🇴 No hate to kenyan, But K3nya is Ours 200%.
    Rendille land ..

  • @bilalabdi9148
    @bilalabdi9148 Před 9 měsíci +19

    i hope one day somalia redefines its borders

  • @FfLol-vb1oz
    @FfLol-vb1oz Před 4 měsíci +4

    Nfd is part of somalia onekligen day it will be back to somalia not for british

  • @AliHassan-hb1bn
    @AliHassan-hb1bn Před 6 měsíci +6

    Because Britain uses Kenyans as a mouthpiece for sure.

    • @clittajones
      @clittajones Před 6 měsíci +5

      but your nomadic kins love immigrating to britain and living there.. why not middle east?

    • @ewm4266
      @ewm4266 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@clittajones😂😂😂😂, They looove their Europe and migrating to other countries other than their own coz they kill each other left right and center😂

    • @mohamedhussein2185
      @mohamedhussein2185 Před 5 měsíci

      @@clittajoneswe live in Middle East too😂

    • @user-tk6lc8zv9c
      @user-tk6lc8zv9c Před 4 měsíci

      @@mohamedhussein2185 Ayaan hirsi and her mother learned the harsh reality of Arab mentality towards Somalians.

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj Před měsícem +1

      @@user-tk6lc8zv9c so you took one women’s experience among one groups hostility to mean that we somalis are you? 😂. Ofcoarse racism exists everywhere even in somalia. To apply anything to the whole is dishonesty. Try again

  • @mercynimu3333
    @mercynimu3333 Před 15 dny +2

    Give them back their God-forsaken land. Kenyan lives are more important

  • @AliAsadMo
    @AliAsadMo Před 3 měsíci +5

    Without the mention of Kenya's hospitality in hosting almost half of the population of Somalia as refugees in addition to us who are Kenyan somalis...This story is not complete but lacking the intricate bit about how Kenyan somalis ended up having an allegiance to Kenya

    • @chance258
      @chance258 Před měsícem +2

      Brother you’re a traitor by saying this, your allegiance should be to a unified Somali state, not to Kenyan foreigners who look down on you.

    • @AliAsadMo
      @AliAsadMo Před měsícem +1

      @@chance258 unified Somalia? Why? Even the failed state is trying to drag Somaliland down into chaos. I'm not interested. What am I unifying to do that I cannot do

    • @JackChit-pv3dj
      @JackChit-pv3dj Před měsícem +2

      @@AliAsadMo la hawla wala quwwata illa billah 🤦🏾‍♂️

    • @collinsmwangi2079
      @collinsmwangi2079 Před měsícem

      Finally you are the first smart Somalian who has spoken about it.Remember we must identify a problem for us to solve it most Somalis insult Kenyans when we speak about the state of their country instead of collaborating to find ways to solve it

    • @shafsteryellow
      @shafsteryellow Před měsícem

      ​@@collinsmwangi2079😂

  • @ismaciilcabdillahiyuusuf2650

    The World with peace, unity, integrity and love,, watching from berbera somaliland rep,,

  • @DADAahmed-iz4xw
    @DADAahmed-iz4xw Před 4 měsíci +2

    the decomentry 90% we can exapt

  • @Roteyaani
    @Roteyaani Před dnem +1

    please do not lie to the world ‼️somalis were never moved from from somalia to Ogaden Region or from somalia to NFD and that is their own land , they were there fever, but the christian colonials took and cut that land from the rest of somalia by force not by voice ✅ somalis are not the only ethinic that colonial hurted , but some of the other community, such like Massai, oromos, and many more.

  • @insane1032
    @insane1032 Před 4 měsíci +2

    U wazungu made the problem im kenyan muslim from the coast and somalis are ouer brother and sisters in islam we share many same things like same kansu same kufia same chai same food same clothes many things even in kismayo and bajuni island they speak swahili we kenyan muslims and somalis are one ummah ❤

  • @naasirsomali4786
    @naasirsomali4786 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Somalia ❤❤ Kenya

  • @LST25
    @LST25 Před měsícem +1

    Somalia will win ❤

  • @user-ij2yl4rs5e
    @user-ij2yl4rs5e Před 6 měsíci

    Great ?

  • @Roteyaani
    @Roteyaani Před dnem +1

    do not lie to the world please😢

  • @coyoluo
    @coyoluo Před 3 měsíci +3

    Somalis are great Kenyans

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před měsícem +1

      Somalis are not kenyan.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo Před 29 dny

      @@RealSavage7 I am Kenyan, I know what I am talking about.

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před 29 dny +1

      @@coyoluo and I am somali who lives in the region occupied by kenya, I and every other true somali are not kenyan. But we are successfull here.

    • @coyoluo
      @coyoluo Před 29 dny

      @@RealSavage7 What does it mean to be Kenyan? are Boranas, Luo, Kalenjins Kenyans?

  • @deletethisvideo
    @deletethisvideo Před 5 měsíci +5

    Biased & lacking intellectual honesty. Negative connotation terms used describing Ethic Somalis & Somalia whilst the author strengthens Kenya’s official rhetoric.

  • @Roteyaani
    @Roteyaani Před dnem

    please do not lie to the world ‼️somalis there were not never somalis move from somalia to Ogaden Region or NFD that their own land , they were there fever, but the christian colonials took and cutt that land from somalia by force not by voice ✅ somalis are not the only ethinic that colonial hurted , but some of the other community, such like Massai, oromos, and many more.

  • @Roteyaani
    @Roteyaani Před dnem +1

    do nt pie to the world please. 😢😢

  • @COD-MIIR.
    @COD-MIIR. Před 5 měsíci

    14:38.
    That line on the sea 😂 Was made in 2010. And the land 9ne too 1945.
    K3nya will. Will free those like. Not for peace Talk. But Man talk.

  • @Roteyaani
    @Roteyaani Před dnem

    stop llie😢

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Ahmed Madobe also was one of the top members of the former Islamic Courts who removed the former War lords of somalia from mogadishu.Later own this group joined hand and formed the A..Shabab millitias.

  • @haredobsiye1188
    @haredobsiye1188 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Another white guy who want teach us our history.

  • @Pmooli
    @Pmooli Před 6 měsíci +4

    We could have united with Tanganyika and ditched NFD like a hot potato

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Kenya occupied the Northern Frontier Distric whent thr British left Kenya. The somalis are oppressed there like Palestinians.

    • @kimathi7118
      @kimathi7118 Před 4 měsíci

      Kenyan Somalis are better of than those in mainland Somalia, that's why we are hosting over 1 million Somalia refugees..

    • @KiguruNganga
      @KiguruNganga Před 2 měsíci

      Oppressed and Somalis are building estates, malls and even running the ministry of defense?

    • @PaulKipkorir-vt2uv
      @PaulKipkorir-vt2uv Před 2 měsíci +2

      No they are not

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před měsícem

      ​@@PaulKipkorir-vt2uvSomaliweyn

  • @donomar8517
    @donomar8517 Před měsícem

    There is no such thing as the ogaden region do youre research, and use the right clan maps

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před měsícem

      Delusion at its finest, Keep coping.

  • @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5
    @abdulkadirsheikhmohamed5 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Ahmed Madobe himself is an Ogaden born in Ethiopias Qabri dahare city.He is not a somali from somalia.He is a mercenary traitor.

    • @RealSavage7
      @RealSavage7 Před měsícem

      What are you talking about? A somali is a somali. You prove the point of our occupied land in your rant. ITS SOMALIWEYN

  • @haredobsiye1188
    @haredobsiye1188 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Another white guy who want teach us our history.

    • @TECH-nc9mc
      @TECH-nc9mc Před 6 měsíci +7

      Then tell your history instead of whining. We'll come listen.

    • @ness.
      @ness.  Před 5 měsíci +3

      lol..okay

    • @insane1032
      @insane1032 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes always These wazungu want to make problems between us but they dont know nothing

    • @donomar8517
      @donomar8517 Před měsícem

      ​@@ness. Somali region of ethiopia consists of ogaden, hawd and reserve area...its called the somali region..ogaden people make up 33 percent of the inhabitants...its very insulting