Just imagine where battery tech would be today if the electric car was never mothballed. We always look for the easiest way not necessarily the best way.
+Take to the Road necessity being the mother of invention... seems to have had her tubes tied. we'd be one hundred years more advanced than we are today
Yup they sure did! Amazing isn't it. And to think as well the Victor was a prototype which was never developed further. It just shows that the modern electric car as a concept is not new at all.
Take to the Road If the electric car companies like Baker and Detriot Electric used regenerative braking could extended the range by 20 miles (32.186 Kilometers ) I'm in the U. S. Imperial measurement you know.
@@johnbishop7912Not really, the most expensive component of electric car is the battery. If you don't need to buy the battery, it's actually quite cheap. There's a lot of factories that rent the batteries rather than selling it.
I like the idea of the 1907 Victor High Wheel Runabout recharging the batteries on deceleration. Apparently for the Toyota Prius this was not at all a new concept, but an old one used once again.
+DandyDon Thanks for watching! It's fascinating isn't it. New technology that isn't actually that new at all. It was impressive that they thought of it when developing the Victor. Imagine where we'd be now if electric cars hadn't disappeared for so long.
As you may be aware Jay Leno owns a Baker Electric Car. He explained that there were battery chargers available every few miles. The cars were in many ways "geared" towards women with adornments like a flower vase inside. Not very masculine, I guess. Unfortunately in the US, a "last stand" which may not be the final one, our administration has taken a huge leap backwards. Not only is it the wrong direction, they obviously have no cares as to how it will affect our lives, safety and health. All but in the name of great greed.
+DandyDon Yes I've seen Jay's Baker. I think they styled them very much like their homes with fine detailing and nice cushions etc. Many had the "mother in law" seat which was an extra seat if you had more than 2 passengers. They never looked the most comfortable... as if it was done on purpose😉
Check out what we're doing in Germany for the 30th Anniversary of Group B Rallying ;) Could be a good trip for you...just need to arrange a road legal Gruppe B car and we meet en-route. It's near the Nürburgring btw so double whammy. I'm taking the Lotus. www.eifel-rallye-festival.de/en/news-en/id-2016-eifel-rallye-festival-celebrates-the-return-of-group-b.html Beer's on me!
we had the technology way back but we blew it on stinky technology with 18% efficiency even todays modern designs…the electric vehicles reach 95% or greater efficiency.
It is amazing to think the technology was there that far back. The simplicity of the vintage electric cars I drove was surprising... pleasantly so. Almost maintenance free, when compared with a combustion engine vehicle. And as you say we blew it. The combustion engine just won the popularity contest. A bit like Betamax versus VHS.
em forty These electric cars were almost hand built if they were mass produced and with the demand for them growing research into producing the electric power for them would have researching into electric cars.
1:50 SWEET. I guess I *knew* many (maybe most?) types of DC motor can do regen but I had no confirmation that any prewar EVs actually did it until now. Great fact! (I was concerned because most golf carts and even some EV conversions of cars to DC motors don't do it!)
Its a shame that this did not get caught on. It was more convenient than a steam or gasoline car of that time with 65 miles of range. I wonder how the petrol car manufacturers convinced customers to take up gasoline cars. Was it the cost?
+Binny Thomas It is a big shame indeed. I think petrol was cheaper over all and easier to get back access too. You might not have had electricity in your house but you could have bought petrol in glass bottles at local stores. Marketing probably helped too and of course Henry Ford could sell anything.
Speaking of cost, what are today’s electric car engineers getting paid for? Clearly they are full of shit since they’re just dusting off technology that’s been there all along. Humans suck.
these things cost more than a modern tesla adjusted for inflation and the wages of the time. the model t cost $200 or about 7k in todays money. gas cars were and are cheaper and easier to produce
I am not sure if those folks would share those kind of values, we have become so subjective that anything intrinsic /historical, is seen to lack value. I could be wrong.
I SO want one of these !! A lottery win for me would have me having a business building 1900s electric cars. ❤️ Why tf would you drive a golf cart if you could drive one of these?!🤔🙂
Automakers from the beginning choose dirty oil, gas,antifreeze and exhaust fumes or electric cars when they knew electricity was just as powerful as gas if not more.
Whether it was electric cars or steam cars either way they both depended upon fossil fuels for charging or heat that's why they were obsolete when the gasoline engine came along, basically skipping the middleman energy wise so to speak, they still held on for a few more years because a lot of people didn't like hand cranking the gas cars but when the electric starter came out it was game over for battery and steam
It wouldn't be cheap. You'd still need to do a lot of wood work but modern cutting equipment would speed it up. Electric kit wise you'd be able to go a Tesla or a Nissan Leaf setup. You could easily sink £50,000 to do it as authentic as possible. Hard to put a number on though really.
It would just take the efforts to refashion a carriage or buggy body and place it on top of the golf cart running gear. 🤷🏼♂️ The wheels are still available to be found, with Amish buggies, if you think about it.🤔
BUT cars have very little to do with climate change....women LOVED electric cars because I recall there was no need to shift gears and they were quiet and you didn't have to crank them.
exactly right - humans have more to do with it than cars. People REALLY need to stop TALKING & breathing and plants need to stop growing to fix the BROKEN Climate, don't ya know ? Just ask ANY Liberal and they'll tell ya ! 😏
I assume back then they just had the batteries all wires together with coils etc. There wouldn’t have been much management back then. The batteries themselves wouldn’t have been great either. But the regen braking shows there was some advanced thought even back then.
@@TaketotheRoad There was no kind of power electronics back then. There were only diodes capable of handling mA, that was it! So EVs used a system with a multipole contactor, that connected the battery pack in various ways producing different voltages for the motor. However there was 2 or 3 speeds to select from. However regenerative braking is easy with a DC motor: Drive along at high speed, with all the batteries in series, and switch to low speed mode with them in paralel, and the motor voltage is suddently higher than the battery voltage, so the batteries are charged and you brake. Lead-acid batteries are easy to manage: You overcharge them occasionally, say every 10'th charge cycle to 15V-16V which bubbles excess power off as Hydrogen and Oxygen, so they have inbuilt balancing. Other maintennance was checking water level in each cell every week and topping up if needed and otherwise keeping the terminals clean. So really no hassle compare to combustion engines, especially back then when even ignition timing was manual, and the carburettor should be adjusted accordin to the current weather to run properly. However Lead-acid batteries were expensive, and they lasted shorter than a Li-ion battery today in an EV, so EVs were more expensive than gasoline back then.
Yes some folks are a bit slow, The debate at the infancy of the automobile was purely economic, the technology was indeed available and efficient, the petroleum industry developed simply because economics, ie there was money to be made. I for one would still view climate change as somewhat if red herring.
From memory Ben the Victor would hit 50mph and the Pope around 30. Both very reasonable for their time. The Victor was super quick too despite its size.
Just imagine where battery tech would be today if the electric car was never mothballed. We always look for the easiest way not necessarily the best way.
+Paul McGarr Exactly! Know who's what would have been developed by now if electric cars had have stayed in production since the 1900s.
+Take to the Road necessity being the mother of invention... seems to have had her tubes tied. we'd be one hundred years more advanced than we are today
+Paul McGarr We certainly would. But the tide is turning. And we've got an interesting film coming out soon on this very topic😉Stay tuned!
Not the easiest, rather the most money making way.
The electric car never would have been as good as a gas car at the time.
1:42 Wow they had regenerative braking in 1907.
Yup they sure did! Amazing isn't it. And to think as well the Victor was a prototype which was never developed further. It just shows that the modern electric car as a concept is not new at all.
Kevin Loving I know right? That surprised me, too.
Take to the Road If the electric car companies like Baker and Detriot Electric used regenerative braking could extended the range by 20 miles (32.186 Kilometers ) I'm in the U. S. Imperial measurement you know.
20 mike extended range would be feasible alright
Nothing new under the Sun - What comes around goes around... 🤣
I wish they were still in production, I would buy!!😍🤩
No you wouldn't, as you still couldn't afford it ! These were for extremely wealthy people ONLY !
@@johnbishop7912Not really, the most expensive component of electric car is the battery. If you don't need to buy the battery, it's actually quite cheap. There's a lot of factories that rent the batteries rather than selling it.
Classical electric carriages were a mode of transport. Modern cars are a mode of cognitive dissonance.
*It sounds insightful but what does it mean?*
Electric cars did not need oil filters and other supplies so they did not make money with them
Never heard of this in my life and I live in England, have been to many Steam Rallies... met Fred Dibnah when he was still alive.
I like the idea of the 1907 Victor High Wheel Runabout recharging the batteries on deceleration. Apparently for the Toyota Prius this was not at all a new concept, but an old one used once again.
+DandyDon Thanks for watching! It's fascinating isn't it. New technology that isn't actually that new at all. It was impressive that they thought of it when developing the Victor. Imagine where we'd be now if electric cars hadn't disappeared for so long.
As you may be aware Jay Leno owns a Baker Electric Car. He explained that there were battery chargers available every few miles. The cars were in many ways "geared" towards women with adornments like a flower vase inside. Not very masculine, I guess.
Unfortunately in the US, a "last stand" which may not be the final one, our administration has taken a huge leap backwards. Not only is it the wrong direction, they obviously have no cares as to how it will affect our lives, safety and health. All but in the name of great greed.
+DandyDon Yes I've seen Jay's Baker. I think they styled them very much like their homes with fine detailing and nice cushions etc. Many had the "mother in law" seat which was an extra seat if you had more than 2 passengers. They never looked the most comfortable... as if it was done on purpose😉
Now that China is banning non-electric vehicles, there will certainly be a new revolution in electric cars!
+DandyDon Yup it is well underway already.
I didn’t know they had regen braking back them. I’m impressed! Great show. Thanks for sharing.
What a grand gentleman he is.
Very nice ride, good to see it still working, even inkluding recuperation.
beautiful! would love to travel back in time show them this
Cool😎Thanks for watching👍
So incredible!
Great Niall. Really enjoyed it.
Thanks for watching mate! Glad you enjoyed it :)
Check out what we're doing in Germany for the 30th Anniversary of Group B Rallying ;)
Could be a good trip for you...just need to arrange a road legal Gruppe B car and we meet en-route. It's near the Nürburgring btw so double whammy. I'm taking the Lotus.
www.eifel-rallye-festival.de/en/news-en/id-2016-eifel-rallye-festival-celebrates-the-return-of-group-b.html
Beer's on me!
That sounds like fun! Getting to see some legendary Group B rally cars in action would be very cool. Let me have a think about it.
Cool, thank you
+DC9848 Not a problem! Thanks for watching :)
we had the technology way back but we blew it on stinky technology with 18% efficiency even todays modern designs…the electric vehicles reach 95% or greater efficiency.
It is amazing to think the technology was there that far back. The simplicity of the vintage electric cars I drove was surprising... pleasantly so. Almost maintenance free, when compared with a combustion engine vehicle. And as you say we blew it. The combustion engine just won the popularity contest. A bit like Betamax versus VHS.
em forty These electric cars were almost hand built if they were mass produced and with the demand for them growing research into producing the electric power for them would have researching into electric cars.
The Worlds First EV was in the 1830s
1:50 SWEET. I guess I *knew* many (maybe most?) types of DC motor can do regen but I had no confirmation that any prewar EVs actually did it until now. Great fact! (I was concerned because most golf carts and even some EV conversions of cars to DC motors don't do it!)
Its a shame that this did not get caught on. It was more convenient than a steam or gasoline car of that time with 65 miles of range. I wonder how the petrol car manufacturers convinced customers to take up gasoline cars. Was it the cost?
+Binny Thomas It is a big shame indeed. I think petrol was cheaper over all and easier to get back access too. You might not have had electricity in your house but you could have bought petrol in glass bottles at local stores. Marketing probably helped too and of course Henry Ford could sell anything.
Speaking of cost, what are today’s electric car engineers getting paid for? Clearly they are full of shit since they’re just dusting off technology that’s been there all along. Humans suck.
these things cost more than a modern tesla adjusted for inflation and the wages of the time. the model t cost $200 or about 7k in todays money. gas cars were and are cheaper and easier to produce
In 100 years from now will future collectors be driving a 2011 Nissan Leaf?
At the moment it is hard to say. But I expect that as tech advances, they will become collectible. And important to future generations.
I am not sure if those folks would share those kind of values, we have become so subjective that anything intrinsic /historical, is seen to lack value. I could be wrong.
Great. we also have like this vintage electric car.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Have a look at the steam car film as well 🎥 👍
what kinda dog was that,, its soooo cute,,:)
+Ib oogie boogie Its a Scots Terrior I believe. Izzy was her name. A very cool dog who loved the old cars.
Wow...sooo cool
Thanks!👍Glad you liked it!
You could mount a little Honda generator on the back, charge the batteries while you're eating lunch
Solar !! 🙂👍
"eLeCTriC cArS aRe NeW tEchNolOgy gUyS!"
I SO want one of these !! A lottery win for me would have me having a business building 1900s electric cars. ❤️ Why tf would you drive a golf cart if you could drive one of these?!🤔🙂
Cool, no gear assembly, no xmission to get screwed up
Automakers from the beginning choose dirty oil, gas,antifreeze and exhaust fumes or electric cars when they knew electricity was just as powerful as gas if not more.
How did you charge these cars back then? typical household 3 socket?
I can assure you that there were no typical house 3 sockets back then, whatever that even means ! 💩
Whether it was electric cars or steam cars either way they both depended upon fossil fuels for charging or heat that's why they were obsolete when the gasoline engine came along, basically skipping the middleman energy wise so to speak, they still held on for a few more years because a lot of people didn't like hand cranking the gas cars but when the electric starter came out it was game over for battery and steam
what would it cost to build one of these today? nothing more nothing less. but with modern fabrication technology
It wouldn't be cheap. You'd still need to do a lot of wood work but modern cutting equipment would speed it up. Electric kit wise you'd be able to go a Tesla or a Nissan Leaf setup. You could easily sink £50,000 to do it as authentic as possible. Hard to put a number on though really.
about the same as a golf kart since theyre pretty much the same thing
It would just take the efforts to refashion a carriage or buggy body and place it on top of the golf cart running gear. 🤷🏼♂️ The wheels are still available to be found, with Amish buggies, if you think about it.🤔
BUT cars have very little to do with climate change....women LOVED electric cars because I recall there was no need to shift gears and they were quiet and you didn't have to crank them.
exactly right - humans have more to do with it than cars. People REALLY need to stop TALKING & breathing and plants need to stop growing to fix the BROKEN Climate, don't ya know ? Just ask ANY Liberal and they'll tell ya ! 😏
Nice 👍 video
Thank you very much😎👍
Watch out for branches!
I wonder what kind of battery managed meant system it had back then if any? I always thought electric vehicle needed a computer to work
I assume back then they just had the batteries all wires together with coils etc. There wouldn’t have been much management back then. The batteries themselves wouldn’t have been great either. But the regen braking shows there was some advanced thought even back then.
@@TaketotheRoad There was no kind of power electronics back then. There were only diodes capable of handling mA, that was it! So EVs used a system with a multipole contactor, that connected the battery pack in various ways producing different voltages for the motor. However there was 2 or 3 speeds to select from. However regenerative braking is easy with a DC motor: Drive along at high speed, with all the batteries in series, and switch to low speed mode with them in paralel, and the motor voltage is suddently higher than the battery voltage, so the batteries are charged and you brake. Lead-acid batteries are easy to manage: You overcharge them occasionally, say every 10'th charge cycle to 15V-16V which bubbles excess power off as Hydrogen and Oxygen, so they have inbuilt balancing. Other maintennance was checking water level in each cell every week and topping up if needed and otherwise keeping the terminals clean. So really no hassle compare to combustion engines, especially back then when even ignition timing was manual, and the carburettor should be adjusted accordin to the current weather to run properly. However Lead-acid batteries were expensive, and they lasted shorter than a Li-ion battery today in an EV, so EVs were more expensive than gasoline back then.
@@TaketotheRoad All the concepts have been around since day one .the matter came down to petroleum its simplicity and the monetary gain involved.
Yes some folks are a bit slow, The debate at the infancy of the automobile was purely economic, the technology was indeed available and efficient, the petroleum industry developed simply because economics, ie there was money to be made. I for one would still view climate change as somewhat if red herring.
Si lo pudieras subtitular en castellano te lo agradecería mucho
No hablo español pero puedo verlo 👍
Whatever is squeaking it would drive me nuts
How fast can they go?
From memory Ben the Victor would hit 50mph and the Pope around 30. Both very reasonable for their time. The Victor was super quick too despite its size.
the speed of smell !
How did the old electric cars accelerate?
Is this a Trick Question ? 🧐
Wich material was used for the body? Aluminium?
They would have used mainly wood as it would have been built by traditional coach builders who made carriages for horses.
Definitely Wood.
Y'know, if we didn't find so much oil, we would've had much better electric cars now.
Yup pretty certain that would have been the case
can i have that car for 200 dollars?
You'll need to add a few more zeros on to the end of that 😉 💸
you can't get ANY car for $200 ! Maybe half a car ! Even scrap cars sell for more then $200 today in America.