This is very very impressive for a guy playing rock for the past 40 years. Yes, the Brand X stuff was jazz/fusion, but big band is another planet. Great job Phil!
I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
Don't know what you all are talking about, Collins is one of the all-time drummers and his swing feel is great. Anyone says it isn't doesn't know what to listen for.
How could someone ever question the skills of the performance It is extreemly well played drums Phill !!! Love both you, your playing and your fabulous voice!
I find it amazing that so many are crapping on Phil's abilities to play jazz / swing based on 1:52 minutes of an average CZcams video. For not being a "jazz" musician, he did better than many would expect. Certainly better than so many contemporary guitarists who try to play straight blues. I love EVH and, especially Steve Lukather (HUGE fan of that guy) but I've yet to hear a blues thing by them that makes me go "Yeah, THAT'S what I'm talking about".
When I was a kid living in California I saw Buddy perform live many times at Disneyland. He was the greatest inspiration. We still love you Buddy. Check out my tributes to him on here (a few short drum solos of mine). To all the rock drummers out there, don’t lose touch with the past. There are many things to learn from the rich heritage all those jazz drummers left us “back in the day”. Richard Gray
A quote from Neil Peart: "Soon there were other adventurous and accomplished rock drummers, like John Bonham, Michael Giles (the first drummer with King Crimson and a very important influence on me), Bill Bruford with Yes, his replacement Alan White, Phil Collins with Genesis, and certainly Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd, who must have influenced every drummer in those days."
i enjoy a lot Peart's vibraphone skills and everything, that's definitely something that sets him apart (but i know lots of jazz and prog rock drummers/percusionist that can outdo his performances on varied percussion kits). in any case, if both Neil and Phil squared off on just the standard drum kit, i think Phil would win since he had a more varied and unpredictable style on his best days
some individuals, like Buddy Rich, have such a big effect on music that they leave a whole cannon of work behind, so if someone is skilled enough to emulate their style it means the spirit of the music lives on, which cant be a bad thing. I'd kill to be able to play anything like Buddy! Top marks to Gadd etc for putting their necks out and for being rounded musicians I say
Good to see Collins being a musician again; his reputation was as a good drummer rather than a pop star back in the day. Besides early Genesis, his work with fusion group Brand X was punchy and crisp. Also, fine sax work here by the late Steve Marcus.
Actually that's the point. Although in the last tour it did in fact change a bit more than usual. But the point of the drum solo is basically to see the progression. If you listen to the drum solo from all the world's a stage and the one from the R30 cd you can see the difference. It is a work in progress. It's intentional.
Despite the detractors, Phil pulls it off nicely. He hits all the obligatory kicks and accents, the fills are tasty, and the whole thing works, unlike the ultra-stiff Peart session with Rich's band. Even Neal wishes he could cut that one over again.
There are some very disingenuous comments on this thread about Phil Collins & rock drummers in general. Did anyone seriously expect any drummer who is not a pro full time big band drummer to be comparable with Buddy Rich? The fact that many drummers from other genres could play with the band & be even competent says a great deal for their versatility, musical ability & balls. I wonder how Buddy would have sounded playing fusion or Prog rock? (He would have refused point blank, he hated it!)
you guys cant compare the GODS...everybody of them has its own strengths, and which style of drumming you like is different, i like all the drummers you said :D
i liked that vid more than the one with dennis chambers and the b.r.big band!!! i think phil did a great job, cause it's not his intention to play as fast and complicated as possible. He's just making music and that's what count's in the end!!!!
All these "modern" drummers trying to do the big band thing such as Phil, Neil, and Steve (Gadd) are really only revealing how amazing Buddy Rich was. The difference is gigantic.
phil made a good job playing very fast as a jazz drummer but with tony bennett and the videos are rares. He played very good here too but with this style and a very good drum solo in the end of the song which is a very long song (cut here).
Wow, you really must not know a lot about Neil to say that. Neil does more than every drummer. Just look at his kits. Neil has studied drumming from tons of areas from around the world. Asia, Africa, South America, Europe. I have never seen any performance that comes close to a NP performance and I've seen thousands.
I hate to break the news for you, but there is a video on youtube of Rich playing "Birdland" by Weather Report with his band. So much for not wanting to play fusion.
totally speeds up in the end to throw things off, it wasnt the band, they have played with the best of the best, in the world, and of all time. they ask big name Rock players to play to get the people in the door and then expect those rock drummers to play Jazz. I give it up to Phil for stepping out of his element and doing a good job.
I'm with you man,his work with Genesis is legendary with this transformation I see somone in a mid life crisis. The big band was cool at first,but he just doesnt have it, just like a good percentage of drummers can not pull this style off,and its not.. "well its good cause he's trying hard" like there is some handicap involved cause he's PC.Like you eluded to I'm watchin Jazz drummers who are from another planet & defy logic,kinda like MJ playing for the SOX what ?
Ian Pace is a lefty drummer. The brain doesn't care if it's a left or right handed world it just plays the direction it's ben thinking since birth. My family has 3 out of 4 children that are left handed and we all play musical insturments and my parents were righties With that said, try to explain this one. I'm left handed but play right handed. That's the way my drum teacher showed me and I never thought to try it differently.Oh in case your're wondering I through with my right
Ohh nnno … you can’t tell he’s having an absolute BLAST… In a drummer’s word, getting to play something like this is like someone who normally exists on baloney sandwiches and canned tuna getting to sit down and tuck into a chef- prepared meal in the restaurant of a 5-star hotel, and they’ll have pretty much the same look on their face in either scenario.
Ive see buddy and also phil play and phil is good but buddy was a big band drummer 1st and phil is a drummer who writes songs in the modern drumming styles i would like to see a drummer use the techniques buddy used perhaps there is one ??
Rush, as a group, surely was influecned by King Crimson and Brand X and Genesis, but Peart, as a drummer, clearly was influnced by Collins (By virtue of the fact that Brand X plaed a lot of odd-time things whereas Buddy Rich's band RARELY ever played oddtime tunes).
I've always liked Phil Collins. He was decent for "attempting" to emulate Buddy Rich. That being said, Gadd and Weckl CARRIES Buddy Rich's drumsticks. I also need to point out that Peart was influenced by Buddy Rich, not Phil Collins. Check out the albums, Burning for Buddy - A tribute to the Music of Buddy Rich Volumes 1 and 2 (two separate CDs). That was organized by Peart. There are number of drummers in the album.
So true, but it´s the same in classical or rock music, with singers, keyboard players or violin players - with everything and everyone. Sometimes they write Mr. X owns Mr. Y - or destroys him..... Rediculous.
You've obviously completely misunderstood my comment. I am a huge fan of Phil Collins and "bad ass" means "really good" in some cultures. It's okay though, I forgive you. :D
what are you basing that on? the Rio solo? Peart's work sounds busier at times, but i think Phil's Genesis' stuff is really complex without appearing to be, in any case, check his stuff before stating that
I would say that Collins' big band playing hearkened back to his college big band training more than anything, and his fills (no pun) were way more influenced by his contemporary Steve Gadd - listen to that last ending setup and fill, totally completely ripping off Gadd licks.
i said i considered Phil in his heyday as a drummer better than Neil Peart in his heyday. basing your opinion on a drum solo is kinda stupid, cause Phil rarely did one in his days, but some of his jazzy solos show amazing complexity, something Neil lacks, the thing is that Neil is an excellent drummer, but his style is too hard rockish, therefore you can always spot he's gonna do the classic tom rolls over more complex snare drum work.
Yeah he definitely played fusion. In the later years when the big band era started to die off to rock and roll, people like Buddy Rich had to compensate by playing fusion and other, more modern styles of music. They had to do what needed to be done to keep going and make a living. Another good example, besides Birdland, is Channel One Suite. Plus who are you to say what another man likes or dislikes whether it is Buddy Rich or a common man? Have you even had the chance to meet him personally?
Why the fuck does his name even get a bad reputation? Barker hasn't played in any jazz settings, so I can understand why some uneducated folks would make assumptions about his abilities, but Peart demonstrates unparalleled musicality in all settings. It's irrational to even consider calling him mediocre. "Neither are the best" Shows just how little you really know.
Neil Peart never mentioned an influence by phil collins, and considering that he is far superior to phil in every conceivable way, and that his influences are probably much wider and deeper than phils I doubt he was heavily influenced by phil if phil is even on the radar at all. If he was influenced by phil, the student has far surpassed the teacher.
@34jazzman Yes, I must admit. Although I have most respect for Neil Peart and like Rush's music, I think he lost the little swing he had in the beginning along the way. He's still a great drummer, but it's just not his style of music.
Oh dear, ive come in the air tonite! Phil is an ok drummer at best but he clearly struggles to keep up compared to Dennis Chambers outing with Buddys big band! Dennis chambers on the other hand makes jazz drumming look like drumming 101!
How did Neil Peart come up? AHHHH! This is why sooo many people can't stand him these days. Not that it's all his fault. He's decent. Just because you've centered your drumming around 1 dude is NOT everyone elses fault. He's got some good qualities and so does even Travis Barker -who I'm feeling is the Yang to this whole equation here. Neither are the best. It is not about that to begin with. Just enjoy the individuals flavor....so to speak
I have. I've seen a ton of Phil's stuff, from Genesis to today. Odd how you assume that I haven't heard anything, based only on the fact that I don't agree with you. To me, Phil is sub-par, uninteresting, dull, bland, and without heart anymore. His stuff from old Genesis days was a lot better than anything he does now. And when it comes to Neil I'll take what he did in the R30 concert over the Rio. But hell I'd take the "All the World's a Stage" drum solo over anything Phil has done.
hmm, I'm not that impressed. Of course he can play some drums. And I got to say, I did not know he mastered some jazz skills as well. But to play with the buddy rich bigband???? come on... Dennis chambers, Omar Hakim, Simon phillips are just as spectaculair as mister Rich. They deserve to play with them. But Phil, even in this film does not do anything (I, or) any other serious drummer couldent do.
@pooperscoopr69 You obviously know nothing about drumming and/or music. Although Buddy Rich is probably a "better" drummer (and that's discussable), The performance was great. I play drums and I love music.
I never really respected Phil Collins as an accomplished drummer until now. Thanks.
This is very very impressive for a guy playing rock for the past 40 years. Yes, the Brand X stuff was jazz/fusion, but big band is another planet. Great job Phil!
I toured/tour with both Buddy Rich and Phil Collins. They both are/were incredible drummers with amazing feel and technique! What's even more amazing is that Buddy and Phil could NOT read music.
Don't know what you all are talking about, Collins is one of the all-time drummers and his swing feel is great. Anyone says it isn't doesn't know what to listen for.
How could someone ever question the skills of the performance
It is extreemly well played drums Phill !!!
Love both you, your playing and your fabulous voice!
phil is really damn good.
i never knew he could swing so well
He can read and play any style of music he is truly a professional musician
I have to say I never imagined phil collins swinging... But, Nicely done
Phil's highly rated, actually, and consistently ends up high on the lists of drumming magazines.
i love this! phil collins ! big band era!
I find it amazing that so many are crapping on Phil's abilities to play jazz / swing based on 1:52 minutes of an average CZcams video. For not being a "jazz" musician, he did better than many would expect. Certainly better than so many contemporary guitarists who try to play straight blues. I love EVH and, especially Steve Lukather (HUGE fan of that guy) but I've yet to hear a blues thing by them that makes me go "Yeah, THAT'S what I'm talking about".
I am shocked who'd have thought. Good on yer Phil!!!!
Wooooo awesome!!!!! Milestones Phil Collins !!!
When I was a kid living in California I saw Buddy perform live many times at Disneyland. He was the greatest inspiration. We still love you Buddy. Check out my tributes to him on here (a few short drum solos of mine). To all the rock drummers out there, don’t lose touch with the past. There are many things to learn from the rich heritage all those jazz drummers left us “back in the day”. Richard Gray
I can feel it coming in the air tonight.
Yea winter stagnation, the low clouds, an whatever a person cooked that day.
Yes, he is a great jazz drummer as well. Check he's performance in Brand X.
@Drumminman4U - thanks for your videos. Buddy was indeed a legend and always will be! God bless.
Awesome. I have heard Phil Collins since he was from Genesis. At now his perfomance on jazz is fantastic
A quote from Neil Peart: "Soon there were other adventurous and accomplished rock drummers, like John Bonham, Michael Giles (the first drummer with King Crimson and a very important influence on me), Bill Bruford with Yes, his replacement Alan White, Phil Collins with Genesis, and certainly Billy Cobham and Steve Gadd, who must have influenced every drummer in those days."
Phil has always been able to hold it down on kit
it's the Buddy Rich Big Band, the band is listening to the kit for the hit. He's leading, he can't be late if he's leading.
ah, you gotta love steve marcus, amazing
he kind of looks like bilbo baggins here hahaha
love
Your right about the style Phil played, it was Buddy-esque!
i enjoy a lot Peart's vibraphone skills and everything, that's definitely something that sets him apart (but i know lots of jazz and prog rock drummers/percusionist that can outdo his performances on varied percussion kits).
in any case, if both Neil and Phil squared off on just the standard drum kit, i think Phil would win since he had a more varied and unpredictable style on his best days
I love the fill at 1:03. Its very mature
Bad ass songwriter, bad ass drummer...
there were left hand drummers back in the old days. They played with traditional grip on their left hand.
No more difficult than drumming right handed...its all what you are born with.
have you guys heard early genesis??? Genesis Live has some serious playing by phil. He's a mother!!
some individuals, like Buddy Rich, have such a big effect on music that they leave a whole cannon of work behind, so if someone is skilled enough to emulate their style it means the spirit of the music lives on, which cant be a bad thing. I'd kill to be able to play anything like Buddy! Top marks to Gadd etc for putting their necks out and for being rounded musicians I say
PHIL COLLINS PLAYS JAZZ!?!?!?!?!?! :O respect. MAD respect
Good to see Collins being a musician again; his reputation was as a good drummer rather than a pop star back in the day. Besides early Genesis, his work with fusion group Brand X was punchy and crisp. Also, fine sax work here by the late Steve Marcus.
So? Neil is a humble guy. When you are the best there is best there every was and the best there ever will be, you are going to be humble.
Listen to his Brand X tracks. Unreal.
Actually that's the point. Although in the last tour it did in fact change a bit more than usual.
But the point of the drum solo is basically to see the progression. If you listen to the drum solo from all the world's a stage and the one from the R30 cd you can see the difference. It is a work in progress. It's intentional.
Despite the detractors, Phil pulls it off nicely. He hits all the obligatory kicks and accents, the fills are tasty, and the whole thing works, unlike the ultra-stiff Peart session with Rich's band. Even Neal wishes he could cut that one over again.
i didnt know he was nice on the drums....you learn something new everyday.....
There are some very disingenuous comments on this thread about Phil Collins & rock drummers in general. Did anyone seriously expect any drummer who is not a pro full time big band drummer to be comparable with Buddy Rich? The fact that many drummers from other genres could play with the band & be even competent says a great deal for their versatility, musical ability & balls.
I wonder how Buddy would have sounded playing fusion or Prog rock? (He would have refused point blank, he hated it!)
Nice!
Great
oh ye good one..I was thinking of A night at bird land.....and Coltranes Live at albums...sorry getting confused..Cheers Chris
Great drumming!
you guys cant compare the GODS...everybody of them has its own strengths, and which style of drumming you like is different, i like all the drummers you said :D
i liked that vid more than the one with dennis chambers and the b.r.big band!!! i think phil did a great job, cause it's not his intention to play as fast and complicated as possible. He's just making music and that's what count's in the end!!!!
i've always ALWAYS wanted to hear phil play swing. does he have any uptempo stuff?
No, it's by Joe Zawinul, keyboardist of Wheater Report.
wow
All these "modern" drummers trying to do the big band thing such as Phil, Neil, and Steve (Gadd) are really only revealing how amazing Buddy Rich was. The difference is gigantic.
phil made a good job playing very fast as a jazz drummer but with tony bennett and the videos are rares. He played very good here too but with this style and a very good drum solo in the end of the song which is a very long song (cut here).
Wow, you really must not know a lot about Neil to say that. Neil does more than every drummer.
Just look at his kits. Neil has studied drumming from tons of areas from around the world. Asia, Africa, South America, Europe. I have never seen any performance that comes close to a NP performance and I've seen thousands.
I hate to break the news for you, but there is a video on youtube of Rich playing "Birdland" by Weather Report with his band. So much for not wanting to play fusion.
totally speeds up in the end to throw things off, it wasnt the band, they have played with the best of the best, in the world, and of all time. they ask big name Rock players to play to get the people in the door and then expect those rock drummers to play Jazz. I give it up to Phil for stepping out of his element and doing a good job.
I'm with you man,his work with Genesis is legendary with this transformation I see somone in a mid life crisis. The big band was cool at first,but he just doesnt have it, just like a good percentage of drummers can not pull this style off,and its not..
"well its good cause he's trying hard" like there is some handicap involved cause he's PC.Like you eluded to I'm watchin Jazz drummers who are from another planet & defy logic,kinda like MJ playing for the SOX what ?
Ian Pace is a lefty drummer. The brain doesn't care if it's a left or right handed world it just plays the direction it's ben thinking since birth. My family has 3 out of 4 children that are left handed and we all play musical insturments and my parents were righties With that said, try to explain this one. I'm left handed but play right handed. That's the way my drum teacher showed me and I never thought to try it differently.Oh in case your're wondering I through with my right
No problems =)
Ohh nnno … you can’t tell he’s having an absolute BLAST… In a drummer’s word, getting to play something like this is like someone who normally exists on baloney sandwiches and canned tuna getting to sit down and tuck into a chef- prepared meal in the restaurant of a 5-star hotel, and they’ll have pretty much the same look on their face in either scenario.
Given this is not really his style of drumming, Phil held up really well.
@logansGT
Have you ever heard Brand X?
@MikeMiheli band got mislead by the figure played by Phil, who's internal clock is obviously atomic...
Ive see buddy and also phil play and phil is good but buddy was a big band drummer 1st and phil is a drummer who writes songs in the modern drumming styles i would like to see a drummer use the techniques buddy used perhaps there is one ??
Rush, as a group, surely was influecned by King Crimson and Brand X and Genesis, but Peart, as a drummer, clearly was influnced by Collins (By virtue of the fact that Brand X plaed a lot of odd-time things whereas Buddy Rich's band RARELY ever played oddtime tunes).
I've always liked Phil Collins. He was decent for "attempting" to emulate Buddy Rich. That being said, Gadd and Weckl CARRIES Buddy Rich's drumsticks. I also need to point out that Peart was influenced by Buddy Rich, not Phil Collins. Check out the albums, Burning for Buddy - A tribute to the Music of Buddy Rich Volumes 1 and 2 (two separate CDs). That was organized by Peart. There are number of drummers in the album.
So true, but it´s the same in classical or rock music, with singers, keyboard players or violin players - with everything and everyone. Sometimes they write Mr. X owns Mr. Y - or destroys him.....
Rediculous.
You've obviously completely misunderstood my comment. I am a huge fan of Phil Collins and "bad ass" means "really good" in some cultures. It's okay though, I forgive you. :D
what are you basing that on? the Rio solo? Peart's work sounds busier at times, but i think Phil's Genesis' stuff is really complex without appearing to be, in any case, check his stuff before stating that
Aint Birdland by Charlie Parker..?
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I would say that Collins' big band playing hearkened back to his college big band training more than anything, and his fills (no pun) were way more influenced by his contemporary Steve Gadd - listen to that last ending setup and fill, totally completely ripping off Gadd licks.
i said i considered Phil in his heyday as a drummer better than Neil Peart in his heyday.
basing your opinion on a drum solo is kinda stupid, cause Phil rarely did one in his days, but some of his jazzy solos show amazing complexity, something Neil lacks, the thing is that Neil is an excellent drummer, but his style is too hard rockish, therefore you can always spot he's gonna do the classic tom rolls over more complex snare drum work.
I don't know if its the tempo or what, but this doesn't swing ONE BIT.
man hez a left handed drum?
cool...juz like me
Yeah he definitely played fusion. In the later years when the big band era started to die off to rock and roll, people like Buddy Rich had to compensate by playing fusion and other, more modern styles of music. They had to do what needed to be done to keep going and make a living. Another good example, besides Birdland, is Channel One Suite. Plus who are you to say what another man likes or dislikes whether it is Buddy Rich or a common man? Have you even had the chance to meet him personally?
What? Check out Brand-X.
Why the fuck does his name even get a bad reputation? Barker hasn't played in any jazz settings, so I can understand why some uneducated folks would make assumptions about his abilities, but Peart demonstrates unparalleled musicality in all settings. It's irrational to even consider calling him mediocre.
"Neither are the best"
Shows just how little you really know.
Neil Peart never mentioned an influence by phil collins, and considering that he is far superior to phil in every conceivable way, and that his influences are probably much wider and deeper than phils I doubt he was heavily influenced by phil if phil is even on the radar at all. If he was influenced by phil, the student has far surpassed the teacher.
I trust that was sarcastic.
@34jazzman Yes, I must admit. Although I have most respect for Neil Peart and like Rush's music, I think he lost the little swing he had in the beginning along the way. He's still a great drummer, but it's just not his style of music.
Ya, the lefty thing kinda bothers me too
Oh dear, ive come in the air tonite! Phil is an ok drummer at best but he clearly struggles to keep up compared to Dennis Chambers outing with Buddys big band! Dennis chambers on the other hand makes jazz drumming look like drumming 101!
swings better than neil peart did.
why is that so important? i dont mean to doubt what you're saying. i just wanna know why.
How did Neil Peart come up? AHHHH! This is why sooo many people can't stand him these days. Not that it's all his fault. He's decent.
Just because you've centered your drumming around 1 dude is NOT everyone elses fault. He's got some good qualities and so does even Travis Barker -who I'm feeling is the Yang to this whole equation here. Neither are the best. It is not about that to begin with.
Just enjoy the individuals flavor....so to speak
secondlifecreator, u right! and i'am lefty handed...
but that's not mean u can't do me with ur mouth?! hmm..
Peart is really stiff for jazz, he should try to perfect his snare/kick work instead of doing his rolls so often
phil collins couldn't swing from the end of a rope.
I have. I've seen a ton of Phil's stuff, from Genesis to today. Odd how you assume that I haven't heard anything, based only on the fact that I don't agree with you.
To me, Phil is sub-par, uninteresting, dull, bland, and without heart anymore. His stuff from old Genesis days was a lot better than anything he does now.
And when it comes to Neil I'll take what he did in the R30 concert over the Rio. But hell I'd take the "All the World's a Stage" drum solo over anything Phil has done.
i think Phill is a great drummer. But is not his style, he's not in his element. 1:37 he's a bit too early. Anyway cool vid
hmm, I'm not that impressed. Of course he can play some drums. And I got to say, I did not know he mastered some jazz skills as well. But to play with the buddy rich bigband???? come on... Dennis chambers, Omar Hakim, Simon phillips are just as spectaculair as mister Rich. They deserve to play with them. But Phil, even in this film does not do anything (I, or) any other serious drummer couldent do.
nice music, but why does hitler play guitar in this band?
0:19
Man those horns are tight at the end. Sounds good! Phil should stay away from drum solos, though.
@pooperscoopr69 You obviously know nothing about drumming and/or music. Although Buddy Rich is probably a "better" drummer (and that's discussable), The performance was great. I play drums and I love music.
lefty drummers really piss me off for some reason. idk why
Better than Neil Peart!
Pretty Painful
God awful!