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It's describing the basic of big bang.
No it's not because it contradicts it on key points. The Earth as you know formed ~9 billion years, after many generations of stars made the heavy elements from which planets could form. The Quran says that the Earth and sky were separated at the time of creation, so it says the Earth existed (which the Islamic scholars in the tafsirs agree on). That's wrong.
It says in 2.29 that the Earth was made first and THEN Allah turned to the heavens, wrong again, and there are no 7 heaves (that comes from an ancient cosmological view as the sun, moon and 5 visible planets were thought to have a sphere or heaven on which they moved).
The Quran (and confirmed by sahih hadith of Muhammad) say that the sun sets in a muddy spring, and that stars are missiles for the devils and that they can fall. The author of the Quran did not understand what these things are, how they work, and believed in what people believed at the time.
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i am confused, allah said kun fayakun and the earth was made what if allah ordered the galaxies to collide and to big bang, because kun fayakun and be and it is, so i think big bang was commanded by allah, subhanallah , i can be wrong.
I believe the Big Bang theory is compatible with Islam but the mistake the scientists make is saying it happened by mistake while it was made and fashioned by Allah.
@@suleimanbika8747 I have studied astrophysics for over 10 years (PhD) and have never read/heard of any cosmologist saying that it happened by "mistake". It happened at random from something called a false vacuum and thanks to quantum gravity fluctuations probably, but a mistake is the wrong word to use. Maybe some popular speaker used the word (which unfortunately sometimes sticks), but you won't find it in any research paper/book.
As for compatibility I disagree because the Quran contradicts it on key points. The Earth as you know formed ~9 billion years, after many generations of stars made the heavy elements from which planets could form. The Quran says that the Earth and sky were separated at the time of creation, so it says the Earth existed (which the Islamic scholars in the tafsirs agree on). That's wrong.
It says in 2.29 that the Earth was made first and THEN Allah turned to the heavens, wrong again, and there are no 7 heaves (that comes from an ancient cosmological view as the sun, moon and 5 visible planets were thought to have a sphere or heaven on which they moved).
The Quran (and confirmed by sahih hadith of Muhammad) say that the sun sets in a muddy spring, and that stars are missiles for the devils and that they can fall. The author of the Quran did not understand what these things are, how they work, and believed in what people believed at the time.
The verses are super vague though, and with a little bit of re-interpretation you can fit a vague verse to anything. But since the Quran claims to be a clear book with all verses fully explained in detail, it's very wrong to say that the Earth was separated from the sky, or it took 6 days to for things (these are ancient formation myths).
@@theastronomer5800 ok thank you for the explanation, I also don’t know enough to refute you because obviously you more qualified to speak on the Big Bang theory in general than I do, if the Quran says it, meaning if God says it then it is true, me saying the scientist claim it was a mistake or an accident was just erroneous of me, but I still strongly believe it’s compatible as this was written 1400 + years ago even if you say it wasn’t revealed from God how would a man at that time know about it? Are you a Muslim?
@T Y Many things are random though. From the vacuum of space for example particle and anti-particle pairs get created via random quantum fluctuations. Radioactive decay is a random process.
You talk of intelligent design. Many babies are born with birth defects, how intelligent is that? Many people are born with poor or deteriorating vision, bones, hearts, etc, how intelligent is that? It is all part of nature and evolution, which we can explain by random mutations in the DNA. You may replace these random variations by a god, but that doesn't mean that there is one because we know that random variations take place in nature.
You are assuming that because we can build a house, someone must have built the universe. That is a philosophical/theological argument, not a scientific one. No scientists argues based on "evidence" that a god made the universe or things in it, instead they strive to explain what natural processes create things. A house will not build itself because that would decrease entropy, however, a star or planet will build itself because of physical laws. Just because we don't understand all the details (and remember that modern science is really just over 100 years old), doesn't mean that some Bronze Age man-made god is responsible for it, one of thousands that people have thought up of.
@T Y You say that it has only recently been discovered that living things are made of water. Are you not aware that this is EXACTLY what the Greeks were saying about 1000 years before Muhammad? As you may know, in the ancient world they had a simple view of nature - they believed that things were made from water, earth, fire and air. Simple observations that living things contain lots of water and need water to survive made people postulate they they have been created from water and earth/clay long before Islam.
Keep in mind also that living things are technically not made from water. While there is a lot of water inside of living things, they are in fact carbon-based life-forms. There are no water molecules inside our DNA chains and you cannot turn a bucket of water into a living organism. So, this simplistic view is not really correct and if it was in another book and not the Quran, I'm sure that Muslims would be quick to point out this fact.
Speaking of 21:30 though, are you aware that the beginning of it contains a well known local creation myth?
For example, if you read the Sumerian creation story you'll see it is found in 21:30:
“Enlil, lord Nunamnir, the En, his utterance cannot be countered, separated Heaven from Earth, separated Earth from Heaven.” - Krebernik 1998, p. 321, n. 805.
This verse (and the myth) are of course wrong because the Earth did not exist at the time of creation (not for another ~9 billion years) and you cannot separate the Earth from the havens as it is part of the heavens (sky/universe). The classical tafsirs scholars understood the verses exactly as the myth and argued that the Earth existed but it did not rain on it until it was separated.
So, a single Quranic verse contains two things that were said long before, and both which are wrong. You can re-interpret this verse, but few scientists would agree that it is what we'd consider scientifically "accurate". Historically though, it's simply ancient knowledge (which is why in the Quran Muhammad is accused of saying tales of the ancients as people were aware of these things).
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