FREEVIEW: The Final Days...
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- FREELY has recently launched in the UK! But has good ol' FREEVIEW being given some sort of second chance? Or are we truly in its final days, with only a matter of time, before we have to say a definitive goodbye...
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UPDATE! - Literally hours after I finished this video, FREELY launched 😂 have no fear, keep your eyes peeled tomorrow... 👀
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I saw a post on LinkedIn about the launch of FREELY, then I saw your video appear just a few hours later.
I for one will NOT be bullied into streaming, I already had a formidable DVD collection, and over the next few year I intend to increase this vastly. So when I "don't have a choice", well, I actually will, I'll use my film and series collection :-)
This is a good point, I have transferred my DVD collection to a NAS and I have my own mini streaming site for programs and films. I ditched the TV license years ago so I'm out the game however my father in-law has no internet and relies solely on an Ariel, he has noticed a steady decline of quality and an increase of adverts and channels that just rotate programming all day whilst I have noticed increased availability of media online that he wishes he could watch, so yes I find this to be a kind of passive bullying very good point.
Absolutely. I've even started buying UHD versions of my favourite movies; they're superb.
@@piercelidseveraltime
Relying on a mermaid for his entertainment was his first problem! 😅
Do you remember that the government wanted to switch off the FM signal ...in 2015 and move over to DAB ....that did not happen it has been pushed back to 2030 and beyond ....the sound is much sweeter on FM..
Absolutely, yet they constantly try and persuade us otherwise. DAB, the way it is implemented in the UK, is awful. FM is still much better. Or if you have to receive digitally, better from a Freeview or Freesat box.
@NewCityMedia the main problem with DAB is that they've crammed in far too many stations &, via DAB+ technology, have reduced the audio bit rates to a ridiculously low level. This results in either the bubbling noise or complete loss of signal.
I agree FM reception is miles better, but try telling that to the idiots at the BBC & Ofcom. We know the difference, but they don't
I believe there will always be an audience for traditional, scheduled programming. There's something quite reassuring about it. It's a collective experience.
Here here!
Well for sport and live events in particular, Sky via NowTV have just plopped their traditional Sky Sports channels on it and gone "job done" for good reason.
You're absolutely right. But this has absolutely nothing to do with how anyone receives such a service.
Indeed, regular people don't care how TV actually gets to them, they just want to turn it on and consume it
I disagree and fully expect scheduled TV channels to disappear in my lifetime.
@@Firthy2002that's impossible. There is a class of content that must run to a schedule. News, sport, anything live. You can't do live with VOD, heck most streaming apps haven't even managed to implement working FF and RW yet!
Freely is a damp squib, for the time being at least. There is no way I am willing to replace my two year old, high quality Panasonic OLED set with some cheap Chinese or Turkish crap, just so I can get Freely. Forget that.
I find it MASSIVELY disappointing that you actually have to go out of your way to buy a new TV _just_ to get Freely. That alone is a huge problem. If they made it backwards compatible with older TVs (or, heck, even make it available on streaming devices such as Fire TV for example), this might have been more appealing. But as it is, a service that is exclusive to select new TVs, there is no way this can be a success. None.
There's a reason that it's built into TVs in the future... the BBC will have a record of every single thng you watch and if you don't have a license, you'll be contacted to get one as they have the evidence they need to take you court.
My father will be angry when he hears about this change. Wish they’d stop calling it free. “BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5 come together to futureproof free TV for the streaming age” setting the BBC up for firming in place the TV license fee… oh the irony of calling it freely / free tv.
It annoys me how Freeview is called "Free" View! ... The last time I checked, it cost me around £159 per year to watch this "free" service!
The existence of the License Fee plus the amount it is charged are the responsibility of the government, who also set the BBC's constitutional basis and remit via the BBC Charter, renewed on a decadal basis. They've been planning to replace the license fee with an alternative funding mechanism of their own choosing at the next Charter Renewal on 1st Jan 2028.
I’ve already spoken to my mother about this and the only way she is going to be able to do it is if I pay for it as she is a widow on pension credits. Life is hard enough and tv is the only escape people have.
It's madness to think how quick things are moving. I remember the whole fuss about the Digital Switchover like it was yesterday and now they want to turn digital terrestrial TV off completely within the next decade. Personally, I don't think it's going anywhere, a bit like FM radio. The take-up wasn't as quick as they hoped and it continues to prevail.
Yeah and people were still addicted to AM and LW and now that those wavebands are dying out, i reckon it will be well into 2040 before Linear tv is switch off, i'm not giving up my freeview tv until the channels line up improves on Freely.
@@scottpeacock5492you should listen to AM, it's still full of stations.
@@scottpeacock5492 not sure when cable will go but satellite for Sky tv in the UK & Ireland will expire in 2028 as satellite they use is at end of life in 2028. That’s why sky glass & sky stream is around now for. They can’t renew end of life satellite. Freesat will go same time as sky as they use same satellite which will attract people to Freeley. Freeview I would say will last until 2032 because ofcom can give them a warning in 2030 for it. LW radio would be gone by then.
@@scottpeacock5492 We use Sky so I haven't been familiar with Freeview for a few years (though I have many of the channel numbers still memorised, whether they're still relevant or not I don't know). But our downstairs TV is equipped with Freeview and we've had it over 7 years now with no plans to upgrade (as it's 4K so beyond that there's little point), so it will mean a lot of TVs going to waste if they expect people to upgrade just to get this new service. I can see a lot of people shunning it and keeping their existing TVs and using streaming services permanently (if they don't do already).
FM radio is slowly on its way out, but will take considerably longer. Bauer recently moved a lot of their youth-targeted FM stations to DAB only, moving their older audience stations into the FM slot for the time being. Heavily pushing online streaming.
I think freeview will last a while longer than what they are predicting.
You only have to look at FM radio and how licences have been granted to 2030 to see how an “obsolete” technology can carry on long beyond its expected cut off.
Not only that but the local concern and uproar when the Bilsdale mast which was only recommissioned in 2023 shows there is still a large appetite for terrestrial broadcasting.
If they want freely to take off and become the defacto replacement for Freeview offering HD isn’t enough, they need to offer decent broadband speeds across the country and the prospect of 4K/HDR for movies and major events.
I always wondered what other possible uses there could be in band II other than narrowband broadcasting and radiotelephony.
They would need to offer FREE bandwidth for Freely to use. Otherwise the poor will have been priced out of society.
@@Firthy2002 The tv uhf bandwidth will get even narrow with the launch of 6G in future and fewer channels. DVB T2 hasn't really taken off well on Freeview.
@@scottpeacock5492 because it for it work you'd have to switch completely to T2 or keep only 1 T1 Mux for the main channels and encourage everyone to upgrade to T2 compatible devices. I think it would be bad idea to completely do away with broadcast services, News, Sport and other live events could do with maintaining the greater reliability of broadcast over streaming. Over the air broadcasts don't breakdown when lots of people are watching them.
Is this the death of anonymous viewing? Tracking every single viewer, every second.
Commercial stations will use advertising downturn as justification.
BBC will use broadcast costs and licence fee restructure as justification.
Sounds like a good excuse to cancel my TV license.
Do it ! It took some convincing the wife, but we haven't had a license for 15 years now and it hasn't changed our lives. Oh and my wife realised that she didn't need EastEnders or singing on ice thank god or I would be back on the roof putting an aerial up LOL
@@piercelidseveraltimeBe careful, look what happened to Rod Hull? 👍
@@king77703 the bird did it !!
I have 2000mb broadband, but I’m sticking with Sky Q for as long as I can. Broadband has had a 100% reliability in the past 2 years living here, but when I lived in the countryside, a tractor hit a telephone pole and knocked of my broadband for over 2 weeks. At least with Sky/Freesat/freeview, it’s only dependent on the power staying on. Broadband can go down for many reasons and take weeks to be repaired.
People underestimate how much Internet access will be via wireless by the mid-2030s. Fibre will be everywhere, but more and more people will migrate to 5G and next gen services as more devices have access built into them. In very remote areas, people will be using LEO satellite broadband, so not only will we effectively complicate Freeview, we will also just re-create Sky, with different satellite hardware.
@@circattleGet this, 5G does BROADCASTING! And the rest of the world is implementing 5G broadcast, which means that 5G TV is broadcast FOR FREE with no bandwidth caps or contracts or SIM etc. Delivery is free as it is with regular terrestrial and Freesat.
But the UK isn't doing that. 😂
The UK is ignoring 5G broadcast and instead forcing IP TV, over the regular internet. For that you have caps and it's not free. The delivery costs are thus moved onto the viewer and many won't even be able to pay. My cousin had no broadband for years and I gave her £25 a month for a pay as you go mobile, that git her 80GB of data. Without me doing that she would have no communications at all, no phone, no internet.
That 80GB lasted all of a week's worth of streaming. She spent the next 3 weeks entirely offline. But, she found if she plugged an aerial into her TV, she got TV for free! Neat! TV licence was paid by her dad.
Free.
IP TV will create a new class of people who have no access to media at all, not everyone can afford even a social tariff.
@@circattleif you’re in London, maybe. But not out in the sticks. A lot of rural places are still relying on copper ADSL
@@michaelcobb1024 by the *mid-2030s* copper will be gone. 2G, 3G will also be long gone. 5G will be a bare minimum and will run at 700MHz with full rural coverage.
@@michaelcobb1024 i'm out in the sticks and BT have started installing underground fibre optic broadband where i live, it may have not reach your area yet. So be long time before Freeview is actually switch off.
The irony that as you were talking about your nan having no internet, my internet went down (the video came to a sudden halt obviously which is how i know it went down) took like 10 min to start working again. Going to be so frustrating if in a few years im watching a drama or a live event and that happens cos the internet is down.
Our Internet went down a few months ago because the cable outside got damaged. That meant our landline was down for a couple of days too
with a growing number of people struggling to pay essential bills I don't see how they can migrate all Freeview users over to Freely when they already cant afford to add an Internet bill to their monthly outgoings
This is my big concern too!
I guess they would make the argument of the social tariff, but that will be an unplatable concept if you also have to pay a licence fee. I would also guess that the concept of 5G Broadcast as a successor for free-to-air broadcasting has fallen if they're going down this route.
True! If we have only the Internet as the option then it means Internet prices can go up and we have no choice but to pay it just to watch some simple TV
@@tgheretfordThe UK isn't implementing 5G broadcast at all.
My mum who is almost a pensioner got rid of her home internet as she didn't use it and it was absolute garbage connectivity. She just has data for her mobile now and is happy that way. She'll be gutted if she has to go back to a home ISP just to watch TV.
Not to forget that distributing TV via broadband to millions of viewers takes up a huge amount of energy. Much more than DTT or satellite. Also, I can't help feeling sorry for a friend who bought a Hisense TV just two months ago, and doesn't look like it'll get an upgrade.
exacty. compared to a digital tv broadcast, internet streaming video is massively resource hungry and power hungry
all these companies assume everyone has the internet ... they don't... what are these people going to do ?
I saw a report on the BBC website and they were really pushing about how free freely will be. How are they going to fund this? Free means no licence fee, no subscription and no login. Seems like a scam to me.
It IS a scam. If you use FREELY the BBC will know instantly if you need a license at that address. If you don't have one expect a court appearance.
Free, except for the tv license AND BROADBAND SUBSCRIPTION that you'll need to receive it (if your broadband signal's good enough that is).....
Free lie
@@Dixie60 definitely 👍
its a scam ...the purpose is to get the HD signal out there .. . . .-you sit watching that , your iq drops in approx 2 minutes
I actually use a CRT with a Freeview box on top.
Parents still use Sky with a Dish. They refuse to upgrade to SkyQ because they don't want their TV to be dependent on the internet. If you count current TV interruptions (a couple times a year) vs Internet interruptions (at least once a week), you can see why they don't want to drop the wireless.
While we do stream some things like with Netflix, I want to avoid that as a necessity, due to the unreliability of the internet.
Also, lets not forget that there'll be many people, especially older people (Which are the ones who want to watch TV) won't have internet.
On that note, if Freeview is turned off, I'd want to adapt my old CRT to be able to receive whatever the next thing is. what do you suppose my changes are of finding a device that's just going to feed ITV1 to an old analogue RF connection? (Yes, this TV is a special case. Keeping it running is mostly sentimental.)
This will be a disaster for areas that have really slow internet, and those who don't even have internet at all
Hopefully this means harsh fines for the companies if the internet drops out for no reason.
It's already an exercise in futility trying to get any internet issues (never mind compensation) dealt with. These companies will get away with their shenanigans as they always have.
If you live in a rural area freeview or Sky Q is the only system to watch TV. Not all Rural areas will have broadband above 20mbs. Some households have speeds of around 4mbs in Rural areas include mobile phone areas.
Freely will be good in good broadband areas and flats and houses who do not have tv antennas. Freeview will be needed for its recording facilities like SKY Q for Freesat recorders.
Many older households do not have broadband or poorer households do not have Internet access. BT as delayed older household moving to digital in rural areas and areas of older people with the government funding the system to at least 2030.
Impossible to do this, not everyone has Internet connection not everyone can afford especially the data that'll be demanded for this.. It's such a bad idea need digital TV through wire for longer than another 10/12 years
You can rest assured that streaming tv will be 2 way- what you watch will be monitored and recorded....
With a bit of luck you'll get true interactive TV.
How about an interactive drama where you choose the storyline.
Realtime opinion polls
Good luck forcing everyone in the country to stream TV using their own paid for broadband connection AND pay a TV licence.
It'll be like FM radio - turn it off if you want, and immediately lose most of your audience.
So many TVs currently connected to an aerial aren't near a sufficient BB or WiFi connection to stream reliably and continually.
2035 is enough time for many, but this would be like cutting off your gran's landline and expecting her to exclusively use an iPhone. TBH, the pandemic has pretty much done that, so the radio analogy works better :)
Glad I’ve still got my lovely Trinitron.
jms019 bloody good sets & built to last as well
Why no mention of Freesat with more HD than Freeview also will live aboard boaters in remote locations on the inland waterways network get access when there is no 'phone signal and Freesat unavailable???
Which is what I have been using since 2008, with a separate unit made by Humax feeding into an old Panasonic HD unit (which was made in 2008 as well, and has redundant analog kit inside). The number of available channels on Freesat has increased over the years; lots of them are junk, perhaps, but no doubt it’s a longer list than anything on a geographical system.
The relatively poor reliability of the broadband connection at my place does not support the idea of using it as a TV source - although there are almost brand new fibre optic cables in the street outside, for those who want to pay more.
405 line TV, then 625 line went away because better HD products came along. Most people don't need/want anything better than 1080p, which is widely available on Freeview, so it'll be a much harder task to shift them onto a new technology that doesn't give them anything they want. It'll be like band 2 FM - still here after all these years of trying to ram various versions of far inferior DAB down our throats.
1080p, which is roughly 2K in resolution, in my opinion the point of "good enough" in many regards for video. Now 4K isn't entirely useless what with HDR but its not like how we put in our DVDs on a HDTV and found they now looked quite lacking. 2K to 4K scales quite well and without HDR, 4K is all but pointless in my opinion. Point is, you can't keep cranking up the resolution and expecting this fidelity increase, we've probably hit it already it seems. Sure 1080p to 4K on Netflix might look better, but its only because 4K has better bitrate anyway.
1080i (and it is only 1080i) on Freeview is token, at best. Only the BBC, 1 ITV channel, Channel 4 and 5 get 1080i
@John_L that's a very good point you make about FM vs DAB.
The main 2 problems regarding DAB are bit rates & sound quality. In the late noughties, many DAB stations were transmitting in mono at either 64 or 80 kbps. Some stereo stations had their bit rates reduced to 112 kbps.
Even with DAB+, the bit rates are ridiculously low. Some stations are transmitting in stereo at a meagre 32 kbps.
Add to the fact that some stations over-compress their sound levels, similar to what Radio 1 did when they launched their own FM service, & the whole thing becomes unbelievably mediocre
@@shodan2958 Most channels all broadcast in 720i. Rarely, you'll see 1080i and none broadcast in 1080p. All TV broadcasts are interlaced.
@@stevenoneill7166 Yes, it's all about bit rate and therefore the number of stations they can cram onto a multiplex. And that comes down to cost. Over-compression certainly doesn't help but it seems that young people prefer it that way. For the stuff they tend to listen to it probably doesn't matter too much. Having grown up with the gold standard for fidelity that FM was, and indeed still is to this day, I avoid DAB whenever possible!
we live at the eastern tip of the Bournemouth/Poole metropolitan area - about 13 miles from its centre yet our village/ suburb has only just managed Fibre from the closest towns’ telephone exchange 1.5 miles away supplying the green boxes along the main roads. All the homes are using copper . It then gets difficult for those at the countryside edge of our village because they’re out on a limb being supplied from the other closest exchange in the opposite direction ( & were part of the Southampton PO district whether this causes any additional issues I’m unsure ) but there’s many villages in the New Forest where the broadband is rubbish. My accountant had to stop running her business from her home because of its terribly slowness . Even semi rural places sandwiched between large towns & cities still struggle for a decent broadband speed so god knows how the huge rural areas will deal with these changes.
A mate of mine lives in Barton on Sea and even the mobile phone reception is poor in his location.
@@trevordance5181 my workmate lived in Mudeford in 1994 & his neighbourhood had Nynex leaving fibre outside each property & I believe it continued furthest eastwards to Walkford & that’s as far as cable tv etc out from B’mouth reached for many years . The Accountant with hopeless broadband I mentioned is in Boldre which sure isn’t in the heart of the metropolis but still isn’t as remote as North or West Dorset or Wiltshire ! 😁👍
@@newforestpixie5297 Walkford comes under BCP Council, Dorset. Barton on Sea comes under New Forest Council, Hants. That's probably where the difference lays....
it's hilarious how they call it freely yet broadband is not
Well your broadband doesn’t cover TV unless it’s separately tariffed. Why should broadband include TV?
I'm not in the UK, but I don't understand the aggressive push to move to an all-streaming model. The more users you have, the more bandwidth needed to meet the demand, which is an added expense. Terrestrial broadcast can serve an unlimited number of viewers within the coverage footprint, at essentially a fixed cost. What is to be gained by eliminating terrestrial? Do regulators have other plans for that spectrum (similar to how a large part of TV spectrum was reallocated and auctioned to mobile providers in the USA)?
Or, does streaming-only also serve as a means to better enforce licensing in the home?
HAve a look at the energy cost of terrestrial TV transmission. They're trying to push that cost onto the consumer.
Don't think it'll work. I've got tonnes of gadgets, but I've never owned a DAB radio, for example.
It's all about 💷.
You hit the nail on the head with enforcing TV Licensing.
Money!
It's all about saving money by pushing the cost of delivery onto the consumer who must pay for sufficient internet access to access the "free" streams. You also get to obsolete TVs and dongles etc every few years making everyone buy a new TV or dongle regularly, feeding a new revenue stream.
Also it ensures that you can collect data on the viewers who h again is more money, plus advertising can be targeted too.
As far as the old frequencies are concerned, well they get sold, for money.
As more viewers join they will do what CZcams does and mandate that ISPs have local caches of the shows thus you actually stream from the ISP and not the BBC, this will increase the cost of internet bills. They will also increase compression levels just like they do on DAB today where MP2 encoded stations barely get 32kBps and in glorious MONO too! So the HD streams might even be SD ones upconverted on the TV!
Don't forget all the savings, no TV broadcast antennas and frequencies saves loads, plus you can fire loads of people!
Not really on the bandwidth thing.
Live IPTV can be sent by the broadcaster as "multicast".
They don't set up a million separate streams, one to each viewer.
DTT is going to last for years if not decades. Not everyone will ever have broadband, or be tech-literate, and there will always be people living in remote areas.
This is how DAB failed so spectacularly in Ireland.
Both Ireland and new Zealand killed digital radio and Norway killed analog radio in the UK people successfully campaigned to save analog radio
Most older cars (my car included) don’t have DAB radios…and it’s such a faff and expensive to upgrade to a new head unit for DAB. Long may analog radio continue in my opinion.
Reminds me of the plans they had to turn off FM signals by 2017 🙄
The cost of Internet data to watch online content is ridiculous for them to expect this, I can see a lot of people being left behind.
My mother is 60 next year there is no way by time she is 70+ she would be able to handle keeping Internet connection to watch this channel or that channel that she can get via a wire in the wall.
True. But what will broadband and compression technology be like in 11 years' time?
@@andybrice2711 won't be enough for the people the relay on free view currently. Unlimited data plans are too much for people on a budget. And to have a plan good enough to let you watch TV is not gonna be cheap or available.
I have 2 different sim cards with 40gb of data on each. I can run out of both in weeks. People on certain wages won't be able to afford to keep up
@@andybrice2711 The same as it is now, it's only 11 years. The rollout of fibre broadband has already been halted, 5G barely is anywhere and in 11 years time it not exactly going to touch the countryside as 5Gs range is tiny and requires extremely fast data links which the countryside isn't getting.
Trust me in 11 years time Freeview and Freesat will still be here alongside FM which they also failed at switching off.
The reason why is simply because of saturation. With the mass landfilling of CRT sets, there was a clear reason to upgrade besides simply having digital TV. Lower power, thinner space saving panels and, bigger TV's! Here however they offer nothing but a free streaming service you must pay for to simply access, that hits your data caps, is unreliable especially over mobile networks and won't reach you in a tent in most of the campsites I've stayed in even recently.
If you look at the transition to digital, there was some encouragement to push this along as the coms companies were eyeing up the frrequency bands that would become available to them. I guess the speed of the migration might depend on that. I am not sure if there is such an appetite for those bandwidths as there seems to be a shift towards ever higher frequencies.
TVs now are smart and on the Internet so i think the manufactures should have the Freely App even if the TV is 5 years old or older.
When a smart TV gets to 5 years it's old and will usually get replaced as it will start losing apps. My smart TV has no apps left and it's only 12 years old!
Manufacturers won’t update older smart TVs. I have a “smart” Hitachi TV. It’s that old it has just a Netflix button, all the other “apps” no longer work, and they weren’t that good to begin with as it wasn’t a Samsung, LG branded TV.
It is satellite TV which will disappear. Terrestrial transmitters will be around for a long time. There certainly will be freely set top boxes, as there are firetsticks and ccwgtv. New TV's will start to offer freely built in with their smart offering alongside freeveiw. I say this because I think it is obvious.
Unfortunately, there won’t be Freely boxes or sticks. If you want Freely, you have to buy a new tv.
@@L1RW Nobody has ever said that. It will be on boxes / sticks eventually.
@@richardmitchell3136 I'm afraid you're wrong. Freely has no plans to release a set top box or stick at all.
@@anthonyperkins7556 I don't know how you know for certain there will never be a Freely box / stick, but I guess time will tell. One thing I do know for certain is there would be absolute outrage if they were to turn off existing Freeview with no possible way to adapt existing TVs to the new system.
@@L1RW Whilst freely will initially be available on Hisense TVs To quote from Chat gpt 'Freely set-top boxes are expected to be available eventually, but the exact timing remains uncertain'
To put it another way, who gives a flying fart whether the ‘gubbins’ are inside the TV rather than in a box connected to the TV. The idea that a box won’t be made available to prevent the trashing of millions of TVs is plain unthinkable.
I live in UK and I am angry that freeview is shutting down
We live in mid Wales and have a very limited Freeview with only the basic channels about 10
Ffff I don't want a full streaming service, if I want the tv then I want it terrestrial. Internet for me is not exactly something I can afford to spend a lot on and I live in an area where it's not very strong so this move is awful for me 😡
anyone remember all the hype about the move to digital and all the hype about more channels (most of which turned out to be shopping channels or just plain crap) and the quality will be better , we are still waiting on this and every time you get torrential rain you lose tv signal as the transmitters are less powerful than the old ones , i think in some cases they are only using 1w or 2w of power.
I don’t think 2035 is a very unrealistic target for 100% broadband television in the United Kingdom. Especially when only about 15% of households are broadband television only. I mean there are many households with either no internet access at all, dial-up internet (yes people still have dial-up internet as their only form of internet access in 2024, even in developed nations such as the UK) or poor quality broadband internet service which will have trouble with streaming video in decent quality. All of this will still be a major problem in 2035 so 11 years is very unrealistic. 2040, 2050, or even 2060 will be much more realistic at this particular point in time.
maybe he leaving maybe we get better idents and being back how the channel used to be
There is no dialup in the UK. It was shut down well over 10 years ago.
@@circattle Wrong..!
@@dangruner5926 while they are wrong currently that is not going to be the case in the not to distant future given the push for digital only phone services.
Kinda redundant to use dialup if the phone line requires an active broadband connection to be useable lol
With that said I do have my reservation's about this push for digital lines given that if the broadband goes down then so does your phone service and there seems to be a total disregard for those people that rely on their home phones that are used as a life line like in the case of disabilities from this push to digital only.
Digital switch over finally completed in 2012
Freeview won't be ending anytime soon heck you need a specific TV atm to use freely so yeah Freeview will long live
I bought my mum a Fire tv stick for Christmas as she mentioned watching complete series. She's never used it even after I set it up for and showed her how to use it!
Just another way for companies to track what we are doing.
And stop any way of recording TV.
They will take freeview from my cold dead hands.
Nothing will happen to Freeview until 2034
Whatever happens, I really hope the TV licence is scrapped by then.
loving the take off sounds
One small problem where's the fast high capacity fibre. I live in town and I only have slow copper broadband because I live too close to an exchange.
You don't need fibre to watch streaming TV. 10Mb is plenty.
Do I even want to know how they explained "you live to close to the exchange" to you? lol
@@Nodster I too have slow copper broadband, because I live on the doorstep of the exchange! ... No full fibre at this address until 2025 ... Openreach are obviously prioritising customers who are further away from the exchange, as they are affected more by distance.
Me too! I live on the doorstep of the exchange, and no full fibre until 2025, if ever?
@@marcse7en I know the rollout was initially based on interest in the area and the more people that wanted it they would be prioritised but I would have expected it to be past that point by now given how Openreach like brag about how well their rollout is going heh.
I always thought that those who live on top of the exchange would always be one of the first given they can be used as the guineapigs for the rollout to the exchanges given the cost would be much less than running the cable for miles, apparently not.
Gosh, i remember when i first bought a digital receiver with Freeview. I was a 14 and i bought my parents a box for the living room TV (huge 32” with the big back 😂) as their 20th anniversary present. I’m sure i got it from Tesco in 2005. Can’t remember the brand but it was black with a purple plastic front (might have been Bush). I was blown away by having more than 5 channels for free and was proud of myself for saving my paper round money up for it. The box was £80 at the time. Those were the days 😂 xx
What I don't like about this is that people (Myself included) are essentially being forced to sign up to a 2nd subscription in order to view 'free' TV. Soon you will need to pay for the licence fee and a BB/fibre subscription in order to view 'free' TV.
You won't need to sign for anything or buy a licence if it is free.
@@athek7081 it's not free though is it. You need to pay both the TV licence and an internet subscription.
Freeview will outlast the licence fee
@@PaulJaYmes doubtful, you think the licence fee will be abolished in the next decade? More than likely it will be added to taxes like they do in many European countries. EVERYONE pays their licence fee.
@@PaulJaYmes and this is irrelevant to my point that people are being forced to pay for an internet service in order to receive 'free' TV
If they were to provide free broadband internet for everyone using this Freely service which is designated for Freely use only, then it may work. However, if they don't, then calling it Freely when it won't be free is a con.
There's not been much public mainstream coverage of this issue, but when it does become more mainstream, i can see there's going to be a lot of push back from older viewers, cost of living campaigners, and environmentalists, considering the environmental concerns about having to ditch perfectly servicable TVs, for something that isn't really nessesary.
Not to mention that streaming services by the big networks (mainly in the US and excepting Netflix) haven't turned a dime in profit, and likely never will and will most likely be switching them off sooner rather than later. This Freely system is basically going to be another streaming service that's going to end up in the pile with the rest of them. Also worth noting in this vein, is that people are starting to ditch streaming services in the US and are going back to broadcast.
SortOfFreely perhaps, I agree, you've got to have some level of broadband to use it and that won't be free. Along with the license as well.
wouldn't know of theses changes were happening without you
Glad to help keep you informed!
How are the 23 million soon-to-be obsolete Freeview TVs to be disposed of? Presumably as yet more landfill, or fly-tipped at the roadside. Another parallel issue is the migration of landline telephone services to an internet-based protocol which will, in itself, require anyone needing a landline to have a broadband connection installed (with its extra, monthly service charge).
It's not free view all the time we have to buy a Licence
It free to view without subscription.
Stumbled on this vid, but thanks for dropping it, its brought back a lot of nostalgia for me I didnt realise so many people still use this. I cant see it disappearing anytime soon then and fair play, its out lived vhs, dvd, bluray etc and and landlines as well now, pretty impressive.
Landlines are still needed for WiFi. We tried ditching the landline when we moved but you need it for WiFi
Really informative video, this has just made me think, this kind of seems a bit rushed, and I’m also worried about the accessibility implications, how will their implement audio description, and all these devices will need to have accessibility such as screen readers for us blind people as well as contrast settings and other stuff. How are they going to convince TV manufacturers that make TVs that run fire tvOS, Roku and Google TV to make these devices and make sure that Freely is accessible with native screen readers
They already mentioned how on Freeley page
No!!
Another thought is that you probably won’t be able to record commercial channels, so will not be able to skip adverts like now. I don’t watch much terrestrial tv now because of the amount of ads I don’t watch commercial channels. I stop watching prime because you now have to pay more for ad free. I just can’t afford it or justify the cost of all theses subscription services to watch all the programmes I perhaps would watch.
It will only cause people to start sailing the high seas the way these companies are going with some of these subscription charges.
Netflix are about to retire the "basic" tier that is the 1 device standard definition for those that are on that tier, they have already removed the ability to switch to it or sign up for it and no doubt this is being done so that in the not to distant future they can increase the price of the standard + ads plan.
I’m disgusted with Prime. Paying for a Prime to find they’ve started putting adverts in even though i stream to get rid of adverts. They now want you to pay more to get rid of the adverts! Not happening! I’m thinking of cancelling. Can see Netflix doing the same.
A set top box will be provided, they're just not launching with them. Upgrading a perfectly good HD TV will be daft for many and a STB will be much cheaper than a new TV!
The challenge here will be the affordably of a broadband connection.
Apparently they're not launching a set top box which is a retrograde backward step.
Definitely. There is no way they could get away with not making STBs available, for several reasons but if nothing else from an e-waste point of view, it would be a disgrace.
IMO it's crazy to buy a new TV for its integrated streaming / smart services (Which is all Freely is, really). Look at the number of smart TVs which aren't even that old, but have now lost access to several of the catch-app because they are no longer supported. I have a Panasonic TV (which was not cheap at the time) but now cannot access ITV X or 4OD approx 7 years after purchase.
@@richardmitchell3136Well Freely are not launching a set top box
@@anthonyperkins7556 Correct, they aren't launching with a STB. Obviously they have deals with TV manufacturers and want to flog as many new sets as they can. There will almost certain be a STB available way in advance of us being close to a time when Freeview is switched off (Which will I expect will be much later than 2035).
@@anthonyperkins7556Not initially
In this, the era of wireless technology, which started from radio broadcasting (the wireless) to wireless analogue tv to wireless digital, whilst the technology is admittedly better, going on a fully nationwide wired network is surely backwards. JPMorgan and Tesla all over again. Its all about the business model
OMG, I'm really scared! I don't watch near as much TV as I used to though.
There is over 30million who still has no WiFi they don’t want it, the elderly
it just seems the big 4 TV Channels just wanna be a streaming platform. and its just all streaming but people do like going on freeview and not having to scroll through to find somthing to watch
My LG TV, which supports Freeview Play, can already integrate Internet based channels into the main programme guide, so I can see no reason to scrap that TV, which is only about a year old, and get a new one. You would think it should be technically possible to roll out a software upgrade to make it compatible.
One way for Freeview to stay on is to become a all-HD service (yes every channel is in 1080p@50 in DVB-T2 HEVC), that'll speed up Freely's adoption.
Freely being the main service would only make sense if they had the CDN and infrastructure to run a streaming service.
So this is going to be the TV version of digital radio which still hasn't met the threshold to shut down the analogue radio network. The vast vast majority of people see no benefit to freely over freeview. Any channel with a public service element won't be able to switch over untl the vast majority of people have sufficient broadband service to support it. It looks like a TV business totally out of step with their viwer base.
I have Freesat recorder. No time sharing. .
I already use just streaming with a Roku box (because the only live TV option in my apartment is Virgin) so moving to a Freely box instead works for me. Things like the single EPG will be better than the Roku app based attachments. I’m looking forward to being able to buy a Freely box. I think the boxes will be the solution for a lot of people with good working Freeview TVs and existing reasonable broadband connections as long as the price is reasonable.
Probably still be around till 2050. Have to say that the name Freely doesn't inspire. Just checked out their site and at the moment, clicking their TV guide just takes you to channel 4's site. I suppose ties in with BT's new digital push to get everyone onto a router instead of the old phone.
Go Freely.
Never even heard of Freely until I watched this. Despite having a Virgin connection for Internet, I have no interest in using them, or Sky, or anyone else - I'm fine sticking with Freeview. I probably spend as much time on CZcams as I do watching TV!
Surely, Freely will be available as an app, similar to Pluto TV etc. and what will happen to satellite TV? There didn't seem to be any mention of this. The only broadcast TV I currently watch is live football, if it wasn't for that I could ditch the TV license fee.
I have had Freeview since 2003.
I had digital terrestrial when it was called "On Digital" in the late 90's! ... The blocking was so bad, some nights it was unwatchable, and I had to switch back to analogue!
I can’t get Freely, and I am not getting a new TV unless I have too.
There's always a freesat box option hopefully.
This is news to me. It will go the same way as radio going DAB , flipping awful signal strength. Why are we terminating terrestrial TV?
I don’t want live TV over internet. This will increase the power consumption for servers by fourfold, we already are close to having our power demands not met.
i never used Freeview, but it was important to lots of people. RIP.
"Was important?" ... "RIP?" ... Millions, including myself, are STILL using it!
How can anyone say that they have never used freeview?
@@bigbabatunde1218 sky? also i didnt have any freeview compatible TVs
How can you say RIP to Freeview when millions still use it, it be way into 2040 before Freeview kick the bucket.
I use Freeview via an aerial everyday still 😊
I remember the Digital TV Transition
I have a personal problem with online only channels: AUDIO DESCRIPTION! I’m blind and currently, if watching a live channel online, there’s no AD. You can get it on catch up and streamingng but not live however, I can get it if watching on Freeview or Sky live broadcasts. They really need to sort that out so as not to leave blind people like me behind. Also, this Freely thing hasn’t been well advertised at all, how are people meant to change over without any instructions or advice!?
Any updates on the life of Freesat? Don't hear much talk about it.
That’s going to be the really interesting one; particularly for the hundreds of thousands of Freesat or similar boxes in Ireland taking full advantage of the free overspill signals 😅 Flicking the service off isn’t going to go down well in Ireland and in the 80’s and 90’s it was a political issue.
@@richardbutler4488 Good point
I know Sky is going to retain it's channels until at least 2028. I have abandoned my Freesat receiver now as some channels have dropped off the platform, so have reinstated my old Sky+ box as it retains those channels, even though I don't have a Sky subscription. The FTA channels still work, as does the EPG!
Freely needs a app for it to have any appeal
We Are Not Ready for This!
Streaming services is killing our entertainment and its time to STOP!!!
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My powered aerial is not working so I am just watching CZcams, iPlayer (mostly Doctor Who Classic Series) and DVD/VHS. So I have quit Freeview and gone broadband 11 years ahead of schedule.
If they add more hoops to jump through, and associated fees, I'll probably drop having a TV altogether. I find the internet useful but I have a laptop and the local cafe has free wi-fi so in retirement I may just collect some DVDs for TV based entertainment using my existing kit.
Unless everybody has fast enough and reliable internet access everywhere without having to pay a monthly charge for the speed and bandwidth then there is going to be plenty of people who just opt out. Pushing ahead with this feels like it's accepting there is no longer a public service eleiment to TV. I'm interested to see the implication on radio if that is the case.
By 2035 Sonny and Del Spooner will be fitting these new boxes.
If you have to pay for internet to be able to use it, it's not free, is it?
THERE'S NO HOPE!!! THERE'S NO ESCAPE FROM THE RISE OF STREAMING!!!!!!
There is a 0% chance of the entire UK having proper broadband by 2035 and without broadband being everywhere the forced adoption of streaming will fail.
I think current smart TVs could be upwards compatible with a software patch, add freely as an app in the menu screen
You will need a new Hardware adaptor to access the streaming service to your smart tv like a fire stick, i have doubt people will want to go out to currys to buy a new smart tv.
Yes I do.
Everyone TV are deliberately rushing this through without considering the consequences for those can't get decent broadband or mobile internet.
If I was in charge of the Govt, Everyone TV would be ordered to slow down and I would upgrade the existing Freeview to DVB-T2 transmission to accommodate more services, which it can do in HD and SD format, though ideally I would prefer services to go HD where they can, OR like TPTV, if they can't go HD, then I would let those low budget channels go MPEG4 and i'd up their bit rates considerably and drop transmission prices for them to give better pictures and sound and I would allow existing channels to use high quality Dolby AC-3 audio, regardless of whether they are standard definition or high definition.
i think that once freely launches the BBC should maintain a bare minimum service on freeview, broadcast in black and white to Minimise bandwidth usage, Freeview can be then de-regulated for other channels to attract private sector broadcasters
Why would the BBC Broadcast in Black and White, no way 405 line is coming back anytime soon.
@@scottpeacock5492 in digital colour transmissions, they have to transmit three versions of each pixel, R,G,B RED, GREEN, BLUE.
If they transmit in black and white it would save space, black and white. It would go from something trinary, to something binary.
The goal is to keep digital television and analogue radio going for emergencies
@@scottpeacock5492 it's a way to compress the image even further.
@@edmundprice5276 There is no plans for freeview to continue beyond 2035 and even if there was an emergency, we have an alerts system on our mobiles.
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if the BBC goes online only, then why do we have to pay a license fee? They cant have it both ways. They either have a license fee to support the transmitters or go online and scrap the 100 year old license fee
A lot of these Smart TV's secretly run Android to have their apps work, so older hardware and updatable software will always lead to this.
Not a chance. Nearly all TVs are at the very apex of the built-in-obsolescence curve.
Yeah, find me a smart tv that doesn’t have an absolute dogshit cpu inside. My TV literally takes 5 minutes to boot up. Once it’s on it’s okay, but it’s barely JUST usable. So given that, I highly doubt that my TV will be getting an update for Freely
I work in TV retail. I've seen Sony new model Android TVs that were missing their catch-up apps while last year's models still had them.
It was a licensing issue. If it isn't the lack of modern decryption support (looking at you ITVX) then the only other real reason is licensing. Almost always.
For the Freeview system it has been worse. More than once the BBC has 'upgraded' their broadcasting system in the past and vast swaths of the earlier CRT based Freeview TVs unable to receive any broadcasts. It goes like this - The DVB spec gets written, the manufactures build to that spec and then the BBC decides to force a increase in the spec. The manufactures just shrug and say 'not our fault'.
That being said, I did once get our Sony representative to cough up the money for a firestick for a customer who couldn't get ITVX on her relatively new smart TV.
Also, don't trust ANY of the manufactures to make smart decisions on design. For example, I have it on good authority from a engineer who was trained by Panasonic to repair their DVD recorders that the error checking on OTA firmware updates was poor enough that a 'too strong signal' could corrupt the download and brick the machine! Oh, and the ribbon cables that connected the proprietary, custom to each model DVD drive were 'not available as spare parts'.
I would of thought routers would be incorporated into the tv itself, where you get to choose which network provider to go with. But I guess if the tv goes on the blink and needs to be replaced, it could mean being without internet for some time.
Freely should be 4k only.