Common Mistakes Using Wrong Garage Door Struts
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2021
- So many of you that watch my videos ask me where they can purchase garage door struts. If you can find a local hardware store that carries them then you are fortunate. The truth is, garage door struts are not commonly sold to the public. And there are very good reasons for that. But his video will cover some common mistakes when applying support beams to a garage door that are not proper garage door struts. Leave a question down below if you have a similar problem.
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No garage door company will sell you a strut because they want you to pay them to install it. I called numerous garage door companies in my city and none of them would sell me a strut. This is why homeowners use "tricks" to reinforce their garage doors.
That may be true Mr Mike. But there is a garage door strut that is perfect for confident, handy DIY'ers. Have you seen my lastest video on it?
There's a company out there selling a modular strut they ship to you that I came across online a few weeks ago. Don't know yet if it's the one SOS is referring to.
Thanks for the feedback John. Yes there are a couple of distributors that ship these types of struts out. DDM is one of them. I made a video about the other distributor on their sturt. They are from Five Star Doors.
@@sosgds I think it was 5 star doors I saw, they had a range of extra thick guage hinges I was looking at.
Mike did it ever occur to you the liability that you buy an item that can fall back on them for you not being a trained pro? You could literally sue them, no company in their right mind would do that! Now don't you wonder why your local hardware store doesn't sell this to the public??
If they would build the garage doors durable , we wouldn’t have this problem in the first place.
They do get a 3inch thick Raynor no struts
Builders typically want the cheapest door. Most homeowners price shop. Many places don't require windload doors, so just one strut is installed on the top section. If I recall, a 16' strut is about $25 each. That would add $100 to the cost of the door since the springs also need to be upgraded.
@@Eaglefreek300 New garage door sections are not cheap. I'm not going to quote the price I was given, because I still don't believe I heard the salesman right, even though I asked him twice.
@@Rextrent some garage door companies charge exorbitant prices. As a garage door business owner myself, I understand the costs involved, but some companies are absolute ripoffs. I don't know how they get customers.
The video is informational but could be much shorter and more focused on the main subject, which is strut not spring. Also, consumers cannot buy strut so please suggest the substitute that we can buy at Home Depot or Lowe's
Hello Tim. Unfortunately Lowe's nor Home Depot will sell the single piece struts for garage doors. Yet you can find a 3 piece strut to work for most doors from Amazon or Five Star Doors Struts.
Additionally, the video is designed to highlight the common mistakes from applying the wrong garage door struts. When you apply any strut it will effect the door weight and cycle life to the torsion springs. This the most common mistake. If this concept is overlooked or simply disregarded it will cause problems to your garage door system. Thus I emphasize the importance of the spring to save customers on their garage door repair investment.
Very very long video
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate your making the video to help others like me.
agreed, being concise is not his strong suit but if you can filter through all of his thoughtful wandering, its very informational
Of course, despite the long video, it is still informational and helpful. I am grateful that he took the time to make the video to help others.
This video was very helpful thanks 🙏 My dad has a house that he rents out and these tips will work great if I need to repair his door for his tenants
I'm glad it was helpful!
Your truth in customer service is amazing . Nice to see you go above and beyond for your customers.
Great info. See this quite often. Folks not really wanting to pull the trigger on a new door or selling and moving out soon. I've seen a canoe paddle screw to a door once! 😅👍🏼
A canoe paddle?! 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 Man that's ingenious!
@@sosgds 😅😁
It's always hilarious to see what homeowners can come up with for doing their own garage door jobs
Yeah it's also funny when your neighbor attempts open heart surgery and the tools he uses when he's does it. All us real surgeon's get together and make fun of them cause they don't know what they doing. I wouldn't use the term hilarious as such. Perhaps "unique" would be a better fit. It's not funny when someone doesn't know how to do something it's simply lack of understanding.
@@briantaylor2130 he was just saying, don't get on his ass. I'm sorry you have anger issues but you talk to your therapist about it. have a nice day and don't be rude to people!!
@@GarageDoorGuy59 Im sorry, what was it that I said, that leads you to believe I have an anger issue? The only thing I did was make a observation regarding use of words and how people should be aware of the words they choose when describing people or events especially when time permits that individual to do so. Being a homeowner myself one might be inclined to take offense to this, or portray homeowners as being incompetent and is something to be laughed and joked about.
@@GarageDoorGuy59 Furthermore I found useful information regarding garage doors in your videos as well .
Very helpful videos. I would like to know where to get the proper door struts. And by the way, your viewers are not "party people".
You can find door struts on DDM website.
And as for the latter point, it's a truth I am well aware of.
Thank you! Swapping sections is genius. I will check out my sections to guarantee they are swappable, that they are of the same dimensions, which I am willing to bet they are, as I have worked on this 16', 4-section, metal door many times.
My bottom section has cracks in the middle.
The left side cable has been coming off too easily.
I will replace that corner bracket, swap sections, and likely will go ahead and add one or two struts.
I guess I have a question at this point.
Even though I am adding weight w/each strut, given the damage to several sections, I feel this is best.
DO I need to consider new springs?
A local garage door parts company quoted a crazy-high price for one new section, and I doubt I will ever pay that amount.
A whole new door is completely out of the question, unless required to sell, if and when that day comes.
Thanks again!
Hope it works out for you.
Dear Santiago, love your videos!
You are a professional and a lot of people can learn a LOT from your videos.
Keep up the good work buddy :)
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Hello! Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate your support for the channel. It would be my honor to meet you also.
good information
I spent the last 2 days trying to buy struts , no one will even talk to you about it , I found some on Amazon for $200 a piece, I have been in the construction industry for over 30 years , I could have a strut made at my local metal fab shop for a fraction of this cost , I guarantee a piece of G16 galvanized framing channel would be more than adequate however the weight issue does cause concern , if you are an experienced framer you will know a whaler brace would do nicely , back to the drawing board as they say , I do have a question though , does a double panel insulated door have more stability with just one strut at the top ? Thanks for the videos and the honesty telling folks the way it is
First reason the door failed is the fact that the skin separated from the style
Excellent observation. The door stile was definitely one reason. Thank you for your insight!
I hate my 20’ overhead garage door system, I want a swing out , vertical center opening door. I am in the process of educating myself on the switch out. I hope that I can find a video on your channel.
Hello! So you are looking for barn style garage doors? Am I understanding you correctly?
Me too. I saw barn style and folding and automatic opening company. Of course price as customer built. ?
I wanted my 8 ft width flap garage door into room with 10ft width, glass french swing door so I can still use for suv parking as needed. But the guy had 8 ft french door in.
I am trying to have it back to my new suv.
10 ft french door is over $ 4000 homedepot nowadays and new beam/ framing needed. The only inconvenience is manually opening the french door but will keep the beauty of the garage room with beautiful view.
Dang, all it drive me . . . . so have ben sorting out. *
Yes this is a very irritating thing you can't buy struts anywhere easily
have a low-headroom 16' insulated metal clad door with the usual strut at the top. It works fine, but my new truck just clears the strut by less than 1/4" (too close for comfort). Any alternative products to replace the strut or perhaps one mounted on the top edge of the top panel of the door? I just need to gain about 3/4".
Thank you for the great question. In this case you would need to raise your track assembly to gain the extra height. To my knowledge I am not aware of a 1" garage door strut. But raising your garage door would also require changing your motor to a side mount or wall mount garage door motor. And that additional cost might not be a budget friendly than finding a 1" thick door strut.
I really liked your video here in the central valley California I run into similar problems.lol😂😊
Greetings from So Cal! How's it going in the Central Valley!
What garage doors do you prefer?
What garage door openers do you like to install?
Generally speaking, on about a 16 foot non insulated garage door, how many struts per panel should the door have? I have a five panel door and it already has three struts. I want to add an additional strut, which I doubt will add too much additional load to the door or the spring. What is the best position for the strut, at the bottom or the top of the door panel, and closest to where it connects to the next panel?
Great question. Generally, you want one main strut on the top door section. Then you can apply an additional strut on to any section that requires it. It can be applied along the middle of the door section. Or you can do what I do, and apply the strut along the hinges of the door sections. The holes to the door section can provide a guide to apply the strut easily.
The motor caused the top section to bend when the door is up the motor rail must be 1 1/2 inch above the top of the garage door ! More then that puts force downward bending the section . Most motor manuals have that information in them ! The motor was installed incorrectly . All locks need to be made inoperable if become locked can bend a section to or worse ⚠️
Thank you for this excellent insight!
A lot of what you mentioned did happen to this specific garage door system. Additionally the four setting was too strong for this opener thus causing that damage to the top section.
We appreciate your feedback!
@@sosgds Your welcome Me and my Judy are in the Overhead Door Business for over 40 years . Jude passed away last November she was excellent in helping me better then most installers . I’m a perfectionist and Started working for Overhead Door Corporation was taught correctly. Most Companies & Homeowners Don’t have any how much is involved in doing things correctly and all the Engineering also the Liabilities go into having a OHD Business . Also Dangerous even the vise grips should be put next to the outside of the End Bearing Plate so when winding the Springs the tube doesn’t cause injury or death . I see nothing on You Tube showing that placement at all . Anything added to the door changes the weight of the door and effects the proper springs . Or if set screws are tightened to tight causing the Winding Cones to Explode . Just a few things that I see and many more Mistakes on You Tube . Have a Great Day 🌞
Those metal studs might work but they'd definitely be stronger if they were screwed back to back into an I beam and then bolted to door with the tall axis of it's cross section perpendicular to the panel rather than parallel.
Thanks for the feedback John. I will say it definitely added extra heft to the door. I didn't take them off. I just installed new springs to accomodate for the weight.
I just had my garage door replaced with an insulated, hurricane proof door, but what they didn't warn me about is that these huge 5.5" thick strugs would be isntalled. Now I can't open my car hitch cause they are in the way. Really only one is in the way, is there an alternative option to replace one of the struts with something that's not so deep?
The section on my garage door where you attached the opener bracket does not have any metal behind it! It’s in the center of a 14’ door there is metal to the left and right of this center point,
One suggestion was to attach the bracket up to two feet max from the lift point
What do you think?
Thanks for the question.
What type of garage door operator are you installing?
If proper garage door struts aren’t available to the public then yeah, I would’ve prolly used sticks of uni-strut and it would’ve been fine. I’m not messing w/a spring though. Those are dangerous.
I have a Wayne Dalton 9005-5 insulated door with 8 built in struts and one more larger one added at the top. There is no wind rating sticker. 1999 custom house and 10 miles from the coast. Is this a wind rated door?
Hello. Based on what you have described it does not sound like your 9000 series garage door was wind rated. That top strut should have been applied to the other sections. Of course you can install additional struts, yet it will add weight to the door which can affect your spring cycle life. Thus you want to replace your springs if you plan on altering the door in any way.
When installing a 16 foot top section door strut, how many screws are used? Is it only on the ends and the middle?
Great questions! I like to use 8 ... Two at the ends. 2 in the middle. 2 more just one top one the other door stiles.
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SOS Garage Door Services 😄🤩🤩
Thanks Rafa!
How much would estimated 10×7 garage door with insulated and temper glass one panel?
Thanks *~
Hello. That question would depend on which contractor you are dealing with. Take into account that every brand and manufacturer has a different quality of garage doors.
My door has a 3" strut. The ones 5stardoors sells are 2-1/4″. Does this matter?
Hello. You should be fine with a 2 1/4" strut.
Struts aren't available so we have to find alternatives.
Hello. Try this site. Their struts are easy to install.
www.fivestardoors.com/garage-door-struts/
Menard's sells the struts individually, currently about $75 for a sixteen-footer.
That's a great deal. Do you know of that's a Black Friday price?
As a garage door technician, for the past 23 years, it’s a dog eat dog market out there. Companies are charging beyond inflated prices, and then bragging about it. It’s honestly a shame. Wouldn’t be the same if the tables were turned, but nonetheless companies are flat out ripping customers off. If $75 is a “good deal “, which is $4.69 a foot, then it’s just bad bad news to know what is really being charged. I’m not saying $75 is a bad deal, but definitely not a penny more than $80. Anything beyond that is just crazy to me, and I’ve been in this industry for over 2 decades.
Struts do not fix garage doors, they only prolong how much longer they are going to last.
Companies are making a killing selling components, the mark ups are beyond unfair, and people are loosing trust in techs because they flat out know they are getting ripped off.
Like the old saying, pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered
If you find yourself having to add struts to your door, it’s time to look at replacing it
The garage door is the biggest moving object in your home and it can and will fall on your car, or even worse get someone seriously hurt.
This is a great channel, the creator comes across as an honest man, but what’s really fair is my question. If $75 is a good deal, even Black Friday special, then heck I’d hate to know what’s charged outside of that. $5 a foot is beyond fair for a 2” galvanized strut, $7 at most a foot for 3”.
Garage door companies want you to buy their strut of course. Light weight steel framing studs are plenty sufficient. Just watch out for making your door too heavy for the springs and motor.
How much sag in a 16' wide door is acceptable when open?
This is a great question. I prefer no sag. Yet I have seen on custom wood doors a visible sag which is usually an indication of heavy weight. I have also seen it on non insulated garage doors. The 'sag factor' will usually fall back on the integrity of the garage door. And cracks or damage to the center stiles is a good indication that their door needs support.
Were there no struts on that door originally? Whatever the case, the homeowner just didn't do enough homework. Just they underestimated the lateral lack of strength of what was said as those being metal studs for sheetrock. The main point is that the real struts are not cheap. And ordering the right part for the door, when an average person starts to consider the project, who has never had to consider this before. I am looking into this because my daughter bought a house with a two car wide metal door, and it appears that someone had hit the door with their car. Thus the bottom section of the door has at least one of the struts slightly bent. I am looking to either replace the bent one, or trying to take it off, heat it up where the bend is, and try to straighten it.. Or, if I can cut that section out, and put a metal cast across the place I cut out, with a solid hunk of metal., with plenty of good sized bolts. I can't see spending $200 or more to fix it. The right length and spacings part is likely over $100 itself. And having it shipped, would likely cost twice that given the length of the thing.
Thank you for sharing your experience. A garage door contractor might offer you a deal on a strut installation. Hope it works out for your daughter.
One minute into this: adding struts without installing correct ippt spring, will have domino effect. Killing the GDO. and possibly Killing someone who is trapped underneath the door (child, dog ).
Plus pulling spring pad off.
Dangerous stuff to play Garage Door DIY repair man.
Kinda like packing your own parachute If you don't know what your doing
Excellent insight! Incorrect springs will cause a number of issues with the garage door system.
Can you tell me what are the dimensions of the door??
This door was a 16 by 7.
I have a pre-existing garage door strut at the top of my garage door (and one at the middle and bottom) but at the very top the door is sagging in about 2 inch from level and has developed a hairline crack in the skin across the very top of the sheet metal skin due to the sag each time it opens/closes. (basically the 10:45 onward segment) Since I already have the stock garage door strut attached, should I just replace it? I'd think it would do the same thing again. So why wouldn't adding on an 8ft bar of perforated angle steel not be a good idea? I've seen it work well in many videos. Everything else on my door works ok. It's just the top sag issue right now which seems to be most common for people because that is where all the pull is focused.
Hello. Great question. The truth is you can make every effort to reinforce your top garage door section, and it will work for a certain period of time. Yet in time and with more wear and tear the integrity of the garage door will fail. Thus applying a strut or even perforated angle iron can be a viable solution, it's still a temporary solution. Additionally, the crack to the top section can create resistance to the door. Therefore, if you are able to invest into a new garage door now, it might save you time and money once your garage door suddenly fails. Hope this helps.
@@sosgds Thanks for the advice. The crack was there when we moved in 20 years ago and only recently did the door start having issues because of the slight bow at top center. I think that reinforcing it at the top for 4ft each direction will be the first course of action to minimize, if not entirely eliminate, the deflection. There is no other apparent damage and if a $40 piece of metal gets me another 5 to 10 years I'd say I got my moneys worth. Investing in a whole new door right now is certainly not necessary. I'm also not into the new school of our "throw-away society". If things are able to be fixed and mended that's typically what I do until I know the time and labor isn't worth the effort (like with most German cars for example) 😆
ewww...galvanized spring....
The door at the end looks like somebody tried breaking in.
do Unique garage doors suck?
I saw that new Unique doors are 24 gauge.
Hello. Great question. They claim their doors are 24 gauge. But they band like a 26 gauge. Many have debated that claim.
@@sosgds what do you mean by "band" ?
@@kkp4297 sorry "bend".
What’s the name of your company?
Hello JB. SOS Garage Door Service. 😁👍 Thanks for the support.
What did that cost the customer?
Hello. The cost could vary in your area but it ranges between $250 - $350 depending on the door needs.
You didn't know what a metal stud was... But.. Who am I to judge..
Hello! Nonsense the internet is a breeding ground for judgement of all sorts, but I thank you refraining. And thanks for the comment!
Made me laugh.
Those are metal studs….
Where are you located at???
Hello. I normally don't disclose the area where I'm at through this medium. If you like you can direct message me through my Instagram social media or even through my Facebook page. You should be able to find me under the same company name SOS Garage Door Service. Thank you.
Not trying to be negative, but as a professional in the trade, why would you jeopardize your business, and your reputation? I mean you know you are liable if something fails with that door? Even though you didn't add the 'metal drywall studs', you are taking full responsibility for that door functioning correctly as well as it's integrity, I mean if the homeowner is a cheapskate you should really consider not taking on jobs that could put in question your reputation
Hello! That's a very valid point. You're not being negative at all. These questions can help the community when something like this arises for both customers and contractors. Before any work is performed a contract is signed. The contract will set the scope of work, limitations, exclusions, and above the release of liability. Therefore the customer knows this beforehand. Thus if and when another issue manifests that is not related to the service performed then no one feels blindsided or bamboozled. It was all established in writing. Thank you for pointing this out. It allows us professionals to do our homework and protect our reputations. Thanks for sharing your feedback.
Bro….you talk too much….get to the point quicker….
Have a cheap fix instead of garagedoor being fixed with a good support system and sagging ,gaps and just a bad deal .
Hello. I'm sorry are you asking a question?
your hat is the problem...lol ....j/s...sorry, but you got it ..wrong springs everyday!
So you're saying I should just stick with a good'ol John Deere cap? Noted!
Fact is Wayne Dalton doors are complete cheap junk.I have two 8 foot insulated doors and both top panels have failed.One bent in middle where the arm attaches,the second doors top panel split and bent where arm sttaches.Less than 4 years from install.Wayne Dalton has offered zero help.Garbage DONT BUY!!
I'm so sorry to hear you're going thru this situation.
How did the damage to these sections manifest?
Are you speaking to a Wayne Dalton dealer or the actual manufacturer?
Way tooo much talking - is this an infomercial ??? just show a video of what you actually did.
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Edit out all the excess talking. Get to the point and be succinct.
Couldn't take all the blah blah
Get to the point !
Thanks for the feedback.
You have no Idea what an aluminum stud is????
Not at first but now I do.
holy heaven, You talk more straw than my wife, my mother-in-law and my grandmother combined.....
This video should have been no more than three minutes.
Well said! Thank you for your feedback!