Q&A: Advancing Quickly in Freemasonry
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Today we answer two different viewer questions. The questions are:
1) Does MS do the ever-controversial one-day classes?
2) I'd like for you to talk a little about how long it takes to move up to each degree, an estimate perhaps?
And if it's possible to move up faster than usual, and/or if it would be acceptable to ask for a promotion up in a short time, knowing enough to move up of course.
And perhaps related topics please.
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I may have spoken a bit too long for this video, but I have a lot I wanted to share, opinion wise, on these topics.
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I totally agree 100% with your veiw. don't rush this, it's to important. enjoy the journey so the treasure will be all the greater.
Missouri is just now bringing back proficiency testing in lodge, brothers will be again (required) to memorize and verbally recite the entire question and answer sequence prior to advancement.
Apparently, for about 25 years, the requirement was waived, and lodge dues across the state were lowered as a way to “be more accommodating to new members.” Interesting, cause.. 100 years ago, the expectations and monetary requirements were way higher then they are today and the fraternity was several times larger than it is currently. Not to say there aren’t a lot of rich Masons, but it seems overall the organization used to be more affluent and brothers more supportive of each other.
Now, after an entire generation was just handed the title, it is clear that very few of the newer members have improved themselves. Many who stay in struggle and most just quit the moment they get their third degree. The lessons for advancement in their careers, spirituality, and personal life, never realized.
From what I hear.. several of the older guys in the Scottish Rite have all developed nearly photographic memories. I know I’ve seen guys in their 80’s from blue lodge who are sharper than guys in their 30’s and 40’s. Not to talk bad about anyone, but.. I think there is something to it.
Agreed, the lessons are hidden, you can’t breeze through any of it, as at first glance, it is impossible to see the underlying meaning attached to literally (every single) detail.
Yea..i bet its a nail biting ride to get to the baphomet part.
Thanks for answering my question, Jared! Very glad you're back to making videos.
Me too :-) Thank you for the Q. I have a bunch of videos compiled and awaiting release. I don't dare release them in a flood and then find myself wanting for more Qs. I figure it's better to release them slowly and always be in-stock, so to speak.
I have been accepted and start my apprenticeship this Monday. I have been watching alot of your videos on what to expect and the ideals behind freemasonry. Although I'm in Ohio and not MS your videos have been incitful and informative. keep up the great work and thank you!
I'm grateful to know that the videos mean something to you. Enjoy your journey!
How did you started help me
I began petitioning in October 2016, Initiated to Entered Apprentice on January 27 of 2017 and moved up to Fellowcraft on March 23, 2017 (few hours ago actually.) I believe wholeheartedly that because of the time it took to get here, I am better for it and I am so happy that my Lodge does not do the one day degrees. Becoming Fellowcraft means more because I earned it and I look forward to Earning my Master Mason degree.
That said, I've been watching your videos since the week before I became an EA and they have been insightful and helpful.
Thank you for watching the videos and for the kind words and congratulations on your 2nd step!
Can African-Americans join Regular lodges or are we only allowed in Prince Hall masonry
@@rickthrust I think that rule went away years ago (and in my research there never was a universal prohibition on integrated lodges.) Probably depends on each Grand Lodge, but I cannot imagine any sensible brothers keeping that antiquated and (in my opinion) contemptible rule in effect. It goes against the idea of brotherly love and I personally would not want to be associated with the craft if such a rule still existed.
So what makes you so anxious to be part of the problem.. Do you like pedophilia.. Promoting androgynous behavior.. Sexualizing children..and deceiving massive amounts of people to offset the negative on to them and feed off of their emotional response?..at this point they are not hiding their symbolism. I just don't understand how you can look at the agendas presently being put out there and want to run to that and join the side you are joining...
Very exciting stuff!!! Am getting to learn a lot from your illustrations.
Thanks for joining us.
welcome back . good topic to cover . thanks
Well said. It’s about right of passage NOT rushing to failure.
Well said Bro Jared, in my lodge in England we wait up to one year between degrees.
The more someone learns, the better. Build a solid foundation!
Thank you brother Jared, I have listened to you presentations and have taken away some very good information that I apply to my masonic journey. You are very articulate and I want to than you for your enthusiasm as a teacher. I have often wondered about the "Drive thru Mason's" who take a one day eight hour class and walk out a 3rd degree mason?? Thank you for putting into perspective! I take pride in all the hours of work I had to put in order to now becoming a Jr Deacon in my lodge. Swigert Middletown Lodge #218 Louisville Kentucky
Thank you for all of your kind words, Brother. I appreciate the support. I hope I continue to deserve it.
There was a special dispensation from the GM for a FC/MM degree that happened on 2 days (9pm-12am) then the next day from (1am-3am) because he was going to his duty station for USMC
I appreciate your show it’s very informative, thanks
You are quite welcome, thank you for watching it!
I just love he ambience of you videos give a calming alert feeling
Thanks!
I agree !
I'm a Master Mason in Florida and it's the journey you take getting to be a Master Mason worth all your time that's what makes it interesting take your time and enjoy it don't be in a rush you learn much more
Well said. Thank you for the comment.
how long did it take you to become a master?
Thanks for your work on informing people on Freemasonry. This channel helps to dispel myths against Freemasonry.
Thank you for the kind words
What myths??
It took me nine months raised on 2014 as sublime degree of Master Mason.
Congratulations!
Thanks for this video. It is interesting the differences in Grand Lodges. I went through my examination for FC at the Lodges Masonic Education session 2 weeks ago and will be passed to FC this Wednesday. They do have one day classes here in PA, but the Brothers at my Lodge discouraged this path, although they said it was an option. I don't see how you can become proficient in the degree in an hour or so by watching someone else go through the degree. Additionally, the experience that is missed by not going through the ritual yourself is really tragic in my opinion. Knowing that everyone in the Lodge Room was there just for me and the experience of having the light revealed were awe inspiring.
I feel the same way you do. We have, rarely, done 2 degrees at one time. Normally during very busy years, like 2 years ago, where the only way to hold all the degrees we were conferring was to either meet at the lodge 3 times a week, or double up a few degrees.
The term Lodges Masonic Education Session intrigues me. What is that about? We do different schools from time to time but a proficiency is returned whenever the brother is ready to do so.
I had 4 others who's petitions were voted on and approved at the same meeting as mine. Four of us were supposed to go through the degrees in the same cycle, the lodge scheduled 2 extra meetings in June, September and October for our degrees, with 2 candidates doing their degree at the same meeting, but separately, i.e. essentially two consecutive degree rituals in one night. As it turns out the person who was to go through with me had some commitments and either dropped out completely or is doing the One Day deal in October.
Our regular monthly meeting is the 2nd Wednesday of the month. The first Wednesday is reserved for Masonic Education for Degree Candidates. We had our first meeting before our EA degree, and have at least one between each degree. At the first meeting we received a packet of information prepared by the Grand Lodge of PA that explains what we needed to know about Freemasonry, The history of the Grand Lodge and how to prepare for the EA degree. After the EA degree we were given another packet on the EA degree and what we needed to know. At the Masonic Education meeting we were basically tested as to what we were to have learned and also taught the parts we needed to commit to memory for the FC degree. There will be another packet given to me on Wednesday after I am passed to FC, and another meeting for Education in October before we are raised. Then we will get another packet after we are raised and another Education Meeting in November.
As I understand it, some jurisdictions require extensive memorization, but here in PA we have a small amount of memorization and the Education focuses on being sure we understand the concepts
Thanks again for the engaging conversation..
Bro. Keith, i took that comment down already, thank you very much for reminding me about not publishing details, it wasn't intentional. I'll just watch and listen more, comment less :)
fraternal regards.
Jagwinder Singh. i was not pointing out anything inappropriate in what you wrote in your comment. What I was referring to was your memory technique of writing down certain items you were trying to memorized. Here in PA, and I assume elsewhere, part of our EA obligation is to not write down, or otherwise put down in an easily understandable way, any part of the ritual.
Oh... i'm sorry for misinterprating your words Bro. Well it's the same in my lodge, most memorize it off texts found in their email, i prefer to write it down, and i destroy the paper once it's pretty much committed to memory.
In Belgium (regular grand lodge), there needs to be 11 months between the degrees, and you need to write a paper of some sort about what you think of the degree you have. So the fastest you can go from Entered Apprentice to Master Mason is 22 months.
I like it!
It took me 3 years, because you need to be 25 to be a Master Mason.
I find all this fascinating. I completely agree on the disservice. You guys do things very differently over there to what we do here. If we have EA or FC in the lodge, we only open in the 1st or 2nd respectfully and all business is still conducted, if lectures are on subjects above the degree then the lodge will be moved up appropriately and any masons lower than that degree will retire until the lodge returns to a lower degree allowing them to return.
Out of curiosity, when business is conducted in the EA, for example, can the EA's still vote on matters, or are they merely allowed to observe?
@@WhatisaMason I did not ask the original question, but our lodge opens on the degree that the youngest Mason in attendance can participate in. If voting, they can witness the process but are not allowed to vote. If there is a serious MM only matter (a rarity), they are respectfully told they can not participate that evening.
I agree with you on this. I am FC and have passed my proficiency to move to MM. I first began my journey in late 2018 and did not want to rush through (though some have wanted me to). Now I do wish I would have been able to move to MM sooner, but 2020 and Corona virus lodge rules have decided otherwise. I will get there and am glad for the journey. I would not have wanted to do a Mason in a day class at all.
I agree with everything you have said, took me about a year before I managed to become a MM and another 3 to get on what we call the ladder (officer)
Thanks for watching Brother.
What is a Mason no problem bro, keep up the good work, good watching and learning how the brothers over the pond do things 🙌🏽✡
It took me 3 months to get to my 3rd it all depends on how hard you want to work and how you learn. But it just comes down to the drive you have to sit down and read and understand the information.
Our lodge advances candidates based on "Suitable Proficiency" which can be different for different people. Most important to us is the understanding of the material and the effort put in. Having mentors helps a lot because the mentor can not only help the candidate with the material, but keep the lodge informed of his progress. While it's not necessary, the ultimate pat on the back is showing proficiency in open lodge by performing the first section of their respective degree from memory. We also include them in everything we do, so long as secrets aren't exposed. Masonry is a journey, not a destination. It doesn't make them any less of a Mason if it takes a little more time to progress.
Hear, hear!
Just got raised to my Master Mason Degree on June 27th, 2019. Galilei George Washington 810A in Kaiserslautern Germany! Under the American Canadian Grand Lodge (ACGL). Took me 5 months for the three degrees. Our German Brethren are required to wait one year for each degree, for a total of 3 years to reach MM. IMO that's a bit much but I also agree with you 100% that it shouldn't be allowed to be done in a day or even a weekend. Thanks for your videos, very informative and enjoyable!
And finish what I was saying with my grandfather that was in 1941 when he joined and he never got 33 until my birthday when I was born the 28th of October in 1987 he told me before he passed that the day he received 33 degree Not only was it so meaningful to him with being able to share that with his brothers Etc but it happened on the day his first grandchild was born
Brother J ...this is a very informative video ...I agree with your logic 100%....and at the same time the examples of why someone would be raised quickly one of them hits home to me and in general I think if a point can be proven maybe a few months wouldn’t hurt to advance quickly for a right reason but ...the health and welfare and critically ill getting his degrees before he passed that is a very noble gesture however in the same token it’s kind of heartbreaking that due to circumstances out of everyone’s hand he has not or ever will get to fully enjoy that beauty in the degree and will not get to exemplify the degree in it due to being critically ill it’s not a solution to that it’s a all around disservice and it gives me something to think about in uncertain times like this lockdown and social distancing that to me is presumably preventing me from getting initiated cause I went out and visited before the lockdown and now I’m not sure about things either with the health issues going around and how long this lockdown will last it’s a touching video and it should give prospective masons like myself something to meditate about ...
Thank you for the light that keeps popping up in my suggestion box brother you will be blessed 🤘🏼👁👌🏼🤝💡
This is a great viewpoint. I am enjoying my time as a FC. My lodge is pushing us through faster than normal, because we are all service members. I wanted to go through each degree slowly and I wish I was able to get to a lodge closer.
@Richard Corrigan Good morning, Brother. I was a little alarmed at your post, specifically the fact that your Lodge is pushing you through quickly. You are relatively new to the Craft and perhaps don't want to upset anyone but you should realise that if you do not want to take a particular Degree, then you don't have to...it's YOUR choice. Although we are a close knit fraternity, each Degree taken should be a personal experience and as such should suit the man taking it.
In a fair number of Lodges, the Master, if it is his first time in the Chair, is the figurehead...but that's all. The Lodge is often RUN by the Secretary and/or DC. If it's convenient for them to have a Degree ceremony, then that's what happens and the Master dutifully complies. That is wrong wrong wrong. If YOU are happy being a FC and studying such of the liberal arts and sciences as may lay within the compass of your attainment... then stay that way and when you're happy to move on, do so. Let the entire Lodge know your feelings. DON'T let ANYONE push you faster than you are comfortable with. Freemasonry is a marathon, not a sprint. That's what happened to me and it is to my eternal regret. Thankfully, it all worked out in the end... but I wish the journey had been a little slower.
Best of luck, Bro.
@@TheRealist2022 bro, my comment wasnt meant to be negative. I apologize for that. I feel like being pushed through faster, forced me to study harder and take it seriously. I had great support from some amazing brothers.
First, I would like to say that I really enjoy your videos. They are professional, informative, and worthy of the Craft. Second, I want to say that I am a Master Mason under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of Alabama and I'm honored to have you as a Brother.
For the new Masons out there; Take the time to learn your degrees. Don't rush it. Enjoy it. Relish it. So much to learn there.
Take care and God bless.
Thank you for all of your kind words Brother.
Bro D I was told by an experience Brother to take my time to learn and savour your masonry They were the best bit of advice I received and it has held me in good stead
I couldn't agree more. Great topic
Thank you
I live and practice in Texas. We do not have one day classes or classes at all that I'm aware of. Brothers of a higher degree will counsel or practice with someone in a lower degree. The way I was taught was it's up to the person to practice their work, and how fast they learn is up to them.
Interesting, I thought I had been told by others that one-day-classes (making you go from EA to MM in 1 day) was a thing in TX. Perhaps I am recalling incorrectly. Either way, I thinking learning, slowly, from someone higher or who has been in the Craft longer, is the way to go.
Hollow Point can I become a mason
Justin Darden Sure can. Go to your nearest Lodge and ask for a petition. They'll fix you up.
What is a Mason I guess some districts may have classes, but I don't know of any in our districts that go that route.
I agree with every single thing you said about the one-day-classes. My GL, Indiana, does the 1DCs but I was fortunate enough not to be initiated, passed, and raised in that manner. Granted, it's up to each lodge to decide proficiency. My lodge doesn't require it so I never learned it. I wish I had and I still plan to, but I think I would be been much better served to have been required to learn it.
There's a brother in DC that I speak to regularly and they are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't know about their laws on the matter, but at least at his lodge, they only have 1 conferral of each degree per year. They structure it so that it will take you a minimum of 3 years to be raised. By then, you are really a part of the lodge. On the other hand, we have about one degree per week. The only exception is that Master Masons can't be raised together. At an event where more than one are to be raised, the second section is performed individually. I think there's some loophole for the 1DCs, but I try to avoid those anyway.
You don't need to make a video about this question lol: when were you master of your lodge and do you remember how many you raised in your time in the east?
Thanks
I was WM in 2014 and again still in 2016. In '14 we raised 8 MM, the most in Mississippi. I don't recall off hand the numbers for the others. From Aug '15 to Aug '16 we've conferred 16 degrees: 9, 3 & 4, respectfully. We'll have at least another 3 EA's this calendar year (one tonight, actually, and 2 others that are being investigated, so that's speculation on my part that they'll be accepted).
Brother, I agree totally with you, 45 years ago I was told if I wasn’t 100% ready I wouldn’t move up. So I put in the work. Recently I was visiting a lodge and two FC brothers were going over their work and obviously put in the time, they were ready. I knew someone who became a Mason in a day, it went against everything that we were taught about being a Mason he didn’t have a clue about anything. This was done from what I’ve been told membership was down. My interest in Masonry was because my grandfather was a Mason and when I was Raised I knew I went through the same things that he did. I hope this MASON IN A DAY does not become trending. It ruins the backbone of our craft.
I am a member of a lodge in Indiana took my MM on June 4 2005. In Indiana we have been doing one day classes since I think 2000 I fill that the have their place for certain situations. I have tacking new candidates to a one-day class as their mentor for the class and I have participated in a one-day class. But as a brother that did it traditionally as we say in Indiana you lose something by watching the degree with your mentor sitting beside you. Many brothers who took a one-day class have told me that they I feel like they've cheated themselves bye going that route. Looking back I am so glad that I didn't take a one day class. For me part of the journey was the anticipation of the next degree after I became proficient for the degree I've already taken.
Just got my Master Mason degree Mt Morris Masonic temple #535 thank you for all your videos brother
Watched them since I joined this wonderful organization
Congratulations Brother. Welcome!
David Guiling can I be a mason?
What is a Mason can I be a,mason?
David so are you a metaphysician?
Hi Jerald (I hope I got the name right).
I am watching these lectures for a while and found them very helpful, thanks. I was introduce into the Order on Saturday last week (15th 09), which to me was a great experience. I am now a member of the Lodge "Pforte zum Tempel des Lichts" in Hildesheim, Germany.
As to the topic is concerned, I feel it is important to turn the perspective. It does not matter who one is, when he is introduced to the fraternity. The right perspective is to be part of it and grow with the brethren in the lodge, regardless what title you have. If one is searching for titles instead of enjoying the fraternity and the brethren, he is definitively at the wrong place.
I know this from having been an Odd Fellow in Germany. They do not teach, there is no obligation to learn. One is furthered through the degrees almost automatically. The result is: They are no community, they are not united, true love is very limited. If problems arise, they were not sorted out in brotherly love but in dispute. At the end I decided to leave and search for an alternative. Happily enough there was a Free Masons lodge another block away.
Do they teach, yes they do. Do they require learning, you bet they do. Does it take time to be advanced, of course it does. I am very happy with it and I would not agree to anything different. If one expects a life long relationship to Free Masonry, he should be looking for being part of the community and seek friendship in the lodge. If not he is the wrong man at a right place.
You got to pay for what you want, learning and recieving lectures, does not cost a thing.
Love Roland
Thank you for sharing your insight, Brother, and congratulations! I hope you enjoy the rest of your degrees and the rest of the learning to be found!
Thanks Gerald. Yes I do. It's great time. I will follow your lectures and come back in case of questions, Love Roland
@megamediker His name is Jared... but he's too nice to say... Brother.
I have a question I have always wanted to ask you..
I have a good reputation, I had some trouble as a young man but well over a decade ago and have become very much involved with my community and the kids in my community and eventually emailed the Kansas Grand Lodge and they pointed me to the lodge in the town about 10 miles down the road, when the town I live in is absolutely twice the size at least!
Anyway, I have emailed them before a few years ago and never heard from them...
I emailed he recently, and they still haven’t responded...
Should I take that as a sign...? Should I give up....? Should I try to find a way to take the degrees on my own in this day and age....? Should I maybe try to contact my local city lodge.....? I don’t want to go against the Grand Lodge but I can’t help but feel like the fellas around me at least in the lodge locally aren’t suffering too bad for members, it SEEMS at least......!
Any recommendations...?
Respectfully, I have a question for you. In another video, you have stated that in a way you are a "one day mason" in that you received your 4th through 32nd degree in one day. I bring this up not to call you out, or cause some public uproar or embarrass you in any way. I love and respect you for your channel as it has so helped me to make the decision I have made to devote myself, my time, and my monetary means to become a brother. But I'd like to ask, is it merely the haste of the initial three degrees you would keep at a bit of a slower and more intentional pace, or do you also regret going through the 4th through 32nd degrees in the manner that you did? Again, I have not asked this in a spirit of antagonism or disrespect and I truly hope my line of inquiry about this topic hasn't come across as such. I dearly appreciate your time and efforts in trying to give information about the brotherhood and do not at all wish to minimize that or be unappreciative of those efforts in any way. I am but a humble student and do truly want to understand better. Thank you again for all you do and all the information you give.
I appreciate the candor and care you took in crafting your question, but I assure you it is nearly impossible to offend me. I took the 4th through 32nd degrees in 1 day because that was the only way it was offered to me. There simply are no other options, locally. If I wanted to receive every degree "in full", and slowly work my way up the Scottish Rite degrees, I would have had to incur an amount of travel that neither my work nor bank account could accommodate. This, in part, is why in other videos where I exclaim the value of going slow that you should do so "if you have the choice". I hope that helps clarify things a bit!
And that's where the problem always comes with Freemasonry. Everybody want everything so fast when I wanted to take the time to make sure that it's right.
Hi brother Jerard. I enjoy your videos.
Thank you very much, Brother!
Completely agree with your view, freemasonry is a journey, and we should take our time with it. I belong to a London lodge, it took me 1 year per degree. But I knew my work inside out. Well worth the wait, because I can now go through the offices with relative ease.
I think what concerns many lodges in the USA is that if they require someone to take 1 year between degrees that even less people will advance from EA to FC and ultimately to MM. They instead seem to feel that if they can make the person a MM as quickly as possible that he'll stick around.
Do you see a different mentality where you are in London?
What is a Mason we have a very similar mentality, if we don't get EAs progressing quickly enough, they tend to loose interest. We usually try and progress from EA to FC and MM in consecutive meetings (over the course of the year). But unfortunately my lodge only meets 3 times a year as we are a relatively small lodge adding extra meetings would skyrocket our dues (which are already considered high in the UK), but this this is gradually changing as we are attracting more members, so hopefully we can add another meeting or 2. Out of the 3 meetings, one of the meetings is an installation meeting, it doesn't give us enough time in the year for other work as such.
In my case there was an initiate at the next meeting I was initiated, which lead to me taking my FC the following year. I suppose I was strongly committed to becoming a MM and progressing.
What is a Mason ohh FYI I stumbled across your channel yesterday, fantastic content, keep it going brother!
Even as I'm just starting my journey into light, the idea of doing it in one day kinda disgust me.
Take your time, enjoy it.
Hail Satan 👁️
Thank you Sir, though am yet to join I already see myself as a Mason. am learning alot from your wonderful videos.
I'm grateful to know that the videos have some use and value to you. Thank you.
most certainly has a valid point
Thanks
I understand exactly what your saying Brethren. When I went threw the 3 the same night and after while when I studied I thought it wasn’t right why skipped It wasn’t easy and it did not discourage me from pushing forward but made me want it more and one day if able I become GM OF MY LODGE I PROMISED MYSELF TO KEEP IT THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE THE EASY LACKS TRUE KNOWLEDGE TRUE UNDERSTANDING WHICH TAKES TIME. There is no short cuts in that or we will skip and lack thangs again ✌🏿 #SonsOfSolomon#1222
People who went through 1 days classes can certainly become a benefit to Freemasonry, just as much as Freemasonry can still be a benefit to them. I just think the longer road is even better.
I am learning so much from your videos. You should be the spokesman and instructor for every Grand Lodge in the US. Your very professional with your delivery of the information, your ability to break everything down to simple terms is awesome. I follow one other guy on the subject of masonry, between you two guys I am on FIRE!!!! and ready to get in a lodge and get to work. This COVID-19 is really really raining on my parade right now. Because according to the Grand Lodge of California all Masonry activities are paused, BUT!!!☝🏿they are trying to use technology to enable important meetings. What can I do right now, to educate myself on Masonry during this down time? Thanks in advance and please keep up the AWESOME!!!!! Vids👊🏿
If I ever get to be a freemason and I find out people are getting master mason without much time spent learning and they get that in a day week or month then I'm gonna leave that place. It's about the journey not the destination. That's like getting black belt in BJJ when you are only a white or blue skill level.
I can't even imagine how butchered the degrees would be if you could walk out in 1 day as a master/knight templar/32° where I live there were about 9 mandatory degrees to get my 32 but because those were spread over 3 reunions I saw another 4 or 5 at normal monthly meatings
It is already hard enough to walk away with any real instruction - the quicker we make it, the worse it gets.
100% agree my brother I've seen to many overnight masons who water down the craft who eventually do us a disservice
My grandfather told me that he spent seven years as an inter printess 5 years as a fellowcraft almost 8 years as a Master Mason before he went into Scottish Rite and worked his way to 33 degree so I totally agree with you that there's no way someone should have the ability to do all of that in one day because the knowledge that my grandfather could give me without going too far that in itself felt like I was back in school after I had just cut out of school and went to Grandma and Grandpa's house but I did go and accept the invite to a dinner with one of my best friends who I assume we'll enjoy to call brother within the launch in Lake Worth Florida
I presume that means you went to a lodge dinner, or perhaps just dinner with a friend you know to be a Freemason. Either way, good luck! And whatever happens, I hope you keep up with the history of your Grandfather - that's a great legacy.
@Join Ran it's Entered Apprentice. Not inter printess.
Hi Jared,
How long you think it takes in average to be proficient for each degree?
Greetings from Mexico and congrats for your great videos.
I have never tried to put a solid number on it. There is the time you spend with your mentor who tells you the words you must learn - but then there is also the time spent repeating that to yourself as you attempt to memorize it. One hour with your mentor could easily turn in to many hours of self-recitation.
Here in Canada during WW2 there was cases where several hundred brothers would get there EA in the morning study for a few hours and do there FC by noon.Then they were made MM by night. The next morning they be on a train shipped off to basic.
Not sure I really get the point of that, but I am sure similar things were done here too.
What is a Mason because they were being sent off to war. So they were rushed through all 3 steps in there mother lodge before being shipped out.
Right - but - why? What benefit could it be to be a MM before going off to war? That's all I am suggesting - better to do the duty, come home, then learn - rather than go around as a MM and having no clue what that really means. Please don't misunderstand me, I served in the Army myself - this isn't a slight on military service - just a question of the practice of making MM's before they go off to war.
Quick one... if I am visiting a country can I be initiated in their lodge then continue rising up the ranks in my home country?
I am not sure about the rules of every jurisdiction, but...
Here locally you could request for another lodge to do "courtesy work". This means your "membership" resides in one lodge while another does the actual degree work. Sometimes lodges will do this for free, sometimes they will ask for a part or all of your degree fees.
So - potentially yes, but you will have to ask both lodges involved what the process would have to be.
You are so right brother, in Italy in the Grand Orient of Italy we need one year minimum. And average you take two years each degree.
Jared, another great video.Here in England (and Wales) Both falling under UGLE, Scotland and Ireland have their own Grand Lodges, so can't just shorten to UK. According to our constitutions, a prospective member must have his application read in open Lodge, that application then posted on the summons for the next regular meeting, when the ballot may be taken. He may then be admitted at that meeting, but in my experience it would be the meeting after. A minimum of 4 weeks between degrees conferred, unless by dispensation, but it must be a spectacular reason to get that dispensation granted. Heir to the Throne and being a Prince of Royal Blood are a couple of the English acceptable reasons.In my Province of Essex, Lodges typically only meet 4 to 6 times a year. So a Freemason in a day, basically not possible. Candidate to Master Mason in a year, possible.Jurisdictions got to just love them, just for the diversity they bring.
Did you say it is typical for lodges to only meet 4-6 times per year? How do you stay proficient? I have been doing my best to have other brothers sit in the East as practice, since this is my 2nd time as WM, and last week I sat there for our Stated Communication and stumbled a few times because it has been a month since I had done it myself.
Please accept my apologies about the UK gaff. A testament to my poor geography skills, to be sure.
Yes, in my area we only meet between 4 and 6 times a year as a full working Lodge. My Lodge (Trinity 1734) meets October, November, January, February, March (Inst.) and April. From October to the End of April we do hold a weekly Lodge of Instruction, where we rehearse and practice the work.There is also plenty of opportunities for visiting. some weeks I may be out every night.We meet at a Masonic Centre along with 17 Other Lodges, 6 Royal Arch Chapters and 6 other Orders. Check out the website www.rochford-masonic.org.uk/# . Less than 5 miles away there is another centre which hosts 48 other Lodges, more than 20 Chapters and many other Orders. In Essex we have 27 Masonic Centres.Stumbles are good because it shows that we are human. ;D
My grandfather was a mason I believe was 32nd degree. My father did not choose to join. I am interested however, I got a dwi when I was younger and I've been told by non-masons I will not be able to join because of this is this true? I live in dallas / Ft Worth not sure if that matters at all but I am interested I want to know if this automatically disqualify me?
It does matter where you are, as each jurisdiction has different requirements. For example, here in MS if your DUI was a felony then we cannot consider you - which is a point of contention with many lodges, as we have interviewed people we thought would make good Freemasons, but because of one mistake ages ago they cannot be. Other states have different rules, so you will have to reach out to someone local and ask them.
I'm only an interested individual at the moment, but I totally agree with your points in this video. I think that the apprenticeship stage is undoubtedly imperative for building the proper foundation necessary for optimal growth in the masonry. As an outsider, I find that stage very exciting. The thought of learning new ways of doing things, and seeing the world in new ways is quite thrilling.
That's a great attitude to have. It's just like anything else, isn't it? If you do a good job learning the basics you'll be even better at the advanced things later.
Definitely!
freemasonry is the greatest export of the british empire and still going strong inside it
I believe while getting your degrees that they should explain the meaning behind the lessons as well as making rank important and working hard for your degrees. ( for the lodges who like giving the one day master mason deal )
Thank you master 🙏🏼
I want to know if you could freely discuss politics, theories, and ideas with your brothers during a diner.
Could you tell me what is usually the topic in your lodge?
I can do a video on this. Thanks for the idea.
What is a Mason I will subscribe to stay informed.
Thanks mate.
It is forbidden to discuss both religion or politics at a Masonic meeting. The reason for this is because these subjects are the most divisive subjects that we know. Freemasonry is about men coming together for good works.. not dividing them. We have ur own private religion and politics.. and each Mason respects the right of everyone else to their own private views. It's called tolerance
The realist I guessed that politics and religion would be bothersome to talk about in a lodge, whereas it is subjective.
That is the reason I asked, just to make sure.
Great question, allowing me to give a concise and truthful answer. Thank you.
Jared, first off, thank you for the plethora of time you've taken and devoted to your channel. I've seen 95% of your videos and I appreciate all of them. I am not a mason but have researched it over the last 10 years so I think I'm past the idea that my interest is just a fad. I believe I'm going to put in my petition here soon that one of your brothers gave me. Speaking of the "one day" or "one weekend" mason...I thought that's how the Scottish Rite of the Southern jurisdiction conferred their degrees? Granted, that's on the premise one has received their Master Mason's degree the "right way". P.S. Why are you not active anymore on this channel? I've been hoping to see you but you must be busy with plenty other things in life probably. Anyhow, Godspeed good sir!
I’m prince hall and I’ve never seen more than one degree at a time even at new lodges that need numbers in Illinois. People go look to make sure they do it right. I loved joining the red house because it’s kinda a continuation of the blue house but totally different at the same time if that makes sense 🤦🏽♂️
Is it true that you need to have a kind of "CEO" type position to be accepted in Freemasonry? I am a blue collar type guy right now in life, but would be interested into joining in the future sometime.
No, that isn't true at all. You could be a paper-boy, work the counter at a fast-food joint, scrub toilets, be a manager, be a CEO, or own the business yourself. Any of those persons can be Freemasons.
In my lodge we have entry level state employees, retired CEO, college students, mechanics, college professors, elected officials, janitors, delivery men, teachers, and just about everything in between. Honestly, in lodge its hard to tell the difference between a millionaire and a brother making minimum wage
Sounds exciting:-)
Thank you!
You are very welcome, thank you for watching!
It took me 8 months to be raised to the sublime degree of a Master Mason from October to June.
Thank you for taking the time to clear things up. I do have a question... Who does the Masonic group worship?
We offer prayer in the name of deity, but we do not profess a religion because we want all Brothers to be allowed to worship however they see fit, but there are no "worship" services in the Symbolic Lodge. However, in some appendant bodies, like the Knights Templar in the York Rite will have very Christian centered worship services.
Yep. You can be any religion as long as you believe in a higher power.
Stay facing East my friend. :)
The treasure in a quest isnt the trunk of gold at the end of it but what you gain and learn about yourself during said quest. Greetings brothers from PHA MM Bro Givens, Stanely Y Beverly 108 Suisun City California.
Well said!
didnt manly p. hall get a "quik pass" ......im curious ...i ran into a mason (who was in a masonic bike club) and he said that if i can prove my great uncle was a mason ..and contact his initiating lodge(in paris illinois) that may help my chances in joining but i emailed them a few years ago and have never heard back ...can you or any initiated masons offer some info please ?? thanks
There are quite a few people who would suggest you look away from Manly P. Hall. Freemasonry was just one thing he was in to, and it came a little later than other things. He's a guy with ideas, some of which are good, some are nonsense, and most of which were developed prior to him being a mason.
Anyhow, the fact is it would be extremely odd for a Masonic Lodge to turn you away. If you don't have a criminal history and can pay the dues - you are 90% there. Yeah, a Lodge that has had your family as members would likely enjoy continuing that legacy. You may run into members there with memories of relatives, stories of things they did at/for the lodge - all of which a lodge just a few miles down the road might not know anything about - so it can have value - but I would suggest not letting it limit your ability to attend. So, if there is a convenient Lodge, one you know you can attend regularly, then do that. Once you are a Master Mason you can always join that other Lodge (most jurisdictions permit you holding membership in multiple Lodges). Some folks would say to go the other way - to let the Lodge your family has been a part of to teach you and give you your degrees... I say if it isn't convenient for you, you'll never reach MM and the point becomes moot. You do you. Hope it helps.
Sounds like you know which Lodge he was a member of. I'd suggest a phone call. Depending on the person on the other end of the email they might not check it hourly, or daily, or even weekly - and who knows what emails any email service might toss into spam.
@@WhatisaMason thank you very much for the help !!
@@WhatisaMason i have a few books by LON milo DUQUETTE what are your thoughts on him?
From start to finish it was a 9 month process for me, about 2 months between each degree...had to perform my MM proficiency during the DDGM's annual visit...which was nerve racking!...In MS how spot on do you have to be with your proficiency? I was a little surprised to hear that NS grand lodge states that its acceptable to trip up multiple times and still get the tap from the WM.
I think might do a video to answer that question, if you don't mind waiting for my reply.
for sure man! love to hear what you have to say
You may have to realize that the WM may know something you don't. We had a brother that was going through chemo and was having problems both recalling and speaking. We are usually stringent on proficiency, but in some cases a word perfect proficiency should not be required
It is beyond me why anyone would rush. Surely a thorough understanding and application is what should be sought prior to progression. There is no point in simply being good at reciting through repetition without a true understanding of the context and ability to apply it in your life simply to call yourself a MM more rapidly....
Hey, for it how to spell your name right last time and you got into me. Anyway, I am a new M.M. and I want to learn something besides ritual, or what gonna be for dinner. How can I approach that in lodge?
I'm aware of informing people of the correct spelling of my name, but not of "getting into" anybody about it. Please accept my apologies if I came off harsh, it was not intended as such. I'm sure many people can't get Diego correct either.
As for your lodge, I might suggest a one-on-one with the Master. Let him know of your interest and ask if there is any amount of time he might be willing to provide you for presenting some level of education, a discussion, etc., during your meetings. When I first did so in my lodge, we simply stuck it right before the reading of the minutes at the end of the meeting. It might help if you are able to do some research ahead of time about any materials your GL has that would be considered "approved" - so there is no issue about the content of what you are presenting - at least to get started.
I am not a Mason. I am, however, a member of other orders. The work in these orders is sequential, ie. lessons are built one upon the other, for the simple reason that the education would be incomprehensible otherwise. The lessons are not just academic, rather they are experiencial, hence the knowledge obtained in a short period of time would essentially be useless. I am currently petitioning a Masonic Lodge and, even being experienced in similar orders, if accepted, I don't expect and don't desire a one day conferral. Great videos BTW. They've helped me understand Freemasonry a lot better.
Great channel:)
Thank you!
Nice work. GMR S.W. Lodge Warringah New South Wales Australia.
Thank you Brother!
I want to join can you give me ur number
Absolutely agreed
I have a question. If someone has lived a bad life,but cleans up their act and decides to become a good person seeking wisdom and strong morals,can that person become an entered apprentice?
In some cases it depends how bad their life got. For example, here in MS you could have all the arrests and convictions you want, but the moment you have a felony conviction we cannot accept your petition.
But, if you avoided that felony conviction then we can consider your petition and shrug off the "oh, that was 10, 25, whatever, years ago" and recognize that you're doing better.
Regarding the felony block - no need to ask me about it. I'm against it, but it's the rule and I, by myself, can't change it.
Are there any podcasts on Freemasonry that you recommend?
I would hate to list them out, for fear of forgetting one.
What is a Mason That's understandable. Thanks for the content!
bro jarred! can you answer this question...whats the difference between aBRIGHT MASON and a LEARNED MASOM?
I have never heard those terms used before, so I am not sure what they are meant to refer to.
In my jurisdiction there is an option to give a "short form" proficiency for the EA and FC degrees. MM must be full form. In this way it's possible to receive the third degree with very minimal work.
As a candidate's coach, I teach full form only and I do not understand the allowance for this "quick progression" and have only ever seen it hurt the Fraternity.
We shouldn't be letting our EA's cheat themselves out of the experience of learning the work to be Passed and Raised.
My brother whats the blackbooknext toMorals and Dogma?
It is the Ritual and History book for the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, which I got along with this correspondance course: www.scottishritestore.org/master-craftsman-scottish-rite-history-and-ritual-with-ritual-monitor-and-guide.html
Is there any online application to join in. because I live in India where there are no free mason lodges. I really want to follow free masonary. Is it affordable for a middle class.
www.masonindia.in/index.php/how-to-join-freemasonry/
It's been proven that the one day classes flat out don't work. They just don't comeback to lodge after the class. Our grand lodge usually holds a weekend class for all the degrees once a year. They voted to end it last year tho. It took me about two years to get all the York rite degrees and about 6 months for my master mason.
As much as I dislike One Day Classes... It was actually researched in my jurisdiction and 1DC men are actually MORE active and have a higher retention. Don't ask me why.
Yeah that is strange. Must be different depending on where you live.
That is interesting. I too would have expected to lower attendance and find it interesting that in others it is higher. Neat.
The only thing I had ever heard of was returning the third, which means to be raised to MM within a year
I took the one day class for the FC and MM due to time constraints at work here in Indiana. I'm happy to announce I will be SW next year at my lodge, participated in all charity events and Lodge of Instruction...one day class has not prohibited in any way on my Masonic learning and eagerness for fellowship. Though some of the old timers in my lodge do not necessarily agree with my statement haha
Thank you brother. It took me a little over a year here in Canada to become a MM
If you don't mind sharing was that time a requirement or due to your schedule or something else?
The timing was based on having enough brothers to do degree work and my ability to get prepared. We also had some new candidates join the lodge and wanted to give them a chance to do some degree work. I have honestly not read all our bylaws but the feeling I get from my brothers at lodge is we are not interested in rushing anyone through.
@@WhatisaMason In Ontario it can be as soon as 3 months (sometimes sooner with "emergent meetings") or as long as... well, forever. It's up to the candidate to become proficient. However, coaching and mentoring by brethren, and checking in, usually informs us how long we have to become proficient for our parts also;)
Totally agree with the disservice of fast-tracking progression. There should be penalties for doing such a disservice to the craft, etc.
@Xanith Terrek Sadly the penalty is borne by the Candidate.
hello so if I just got out of high school I got a part time job you think I'm able to join and be able to pay?
You do not need a big fancy job in order to join. If you can pay your dues and your money is earned legally, that'll do. The rest is all about your own moral standing - so money isn't enough, if you will, but you don't need much money either.
What is a Mason Thank you I'm going to subscribe you got some great videos!
Awesome, thanks!
Would you possibly know a few reasons why a lodge might go dark?
I can think of several reasons, but usually it is the simple math of too few people in the lodge.
You might also be referring to going dark for just a few months per year, not fully closing the doors. In that case it could be because too many Brothers are out traveling, or it could be due to the weather (too hot and no air conditioning or too expensive to heat the building in the winter).
What is a Mason thanks for the quick feedback much appreciated. it is declared black for a couple months a year regularly, and I was just curious
I agree with you,a new member should be proficient in previous degrees
Hey Brother, coming at you from Ipswich lodge Caledonia no.14 of the UGLQ where i am a EA, I had a quick question I've been throwing around.I'm absolutely in love with Freemasonry and want to connect myself more strongly with the order, I want to work in an environment that surrounds me with Freemasonry and be in more contact with other Freemasons, learning all I can. what kind of jobs are available within freemasonry, in regards to serving the order?also, subscribed, your videos have been clarifying quite a bit for me! thank you!
I shudder to think how we might differ from the UGLQ. I've seen the many videos from out that way, very beautiful buildings and regalia.
Jobs inside of Freemasonry... if you can wait a while for the answer (there are many other videos queued right now) I will put together a video to answer you.
What is a Mason wow! a whole video for a response! thanks very much Brother (:
Agent π ...... that is so crazy that I'm having trouble repressing my laughter.
He's been banned from the channel.. Mercy.
A wise decision Brother
the trick is how do you return to the old ways after a change to make things easier? Then you will always have this subgroup of men who we regarded as the ones who "didn't do it the right way" or the full way et cetera. Once that line is crossed it would take a long time to change legislation back. Years Id fathom.
Indeed, once bylaws change it would be hard to convince the body to change them again.
So if apprentices are first floor and masters second floor where do grandfathers sit?
Wherever they want. Don't mess with your Grandfather.
This very cute :-D
Does one have to be a mason before they can be a shrinner?; Or are they two totally diferent things?
In most places you do have to be a Freemason first, but some places are accepting Non-Masons.
@What is a Mason Really? How can that be? It just wouldn't work. You HAVE to complete the blue Lodge degrees.... surely.
If I ever was an Honorary member, I would treat it like school 3.5 GPA Honor role student. Thank you.
How much memory work is involved? That really concerns me from putting in my petitioning
Do not be concerned, there will be someone to teach you and you will have plenty of time to figure it all out.
It can seem daunting and I am not great at memorization myself. It absolutely can be done though. If you want it there will always be a brother willing to help. They won't let you fail.
Newly initiated not even 24hrs here! Your videos have been a help before and I'm sure will be for sometime to come!
Congratulations! Welcome to the fraternity and thank you for watching the videos, I appreciate knowing that they mean something to you.
Where are you now at this point?
Agreed
That symbol in the middle on your fire place has been following me my whole life what does it mean?
Can you be most specific? Which symbol are you talking about?
What is a Mason The three circles on your mantelpiece above the fire.. The symbol goes throughout ancient Ireland 🇮🇪... The one with the 3 circles... I feel very spiritually connected to these
Any advice would be much appreciated!
Thank you for reply.
Man, I really really hate to disappoint you, but all I know about that is that it hold 3 tapered candles. As far as I know it was bought at Walmart decades ago... It may have symbolism in it, but it wasn't bought or used for that purpose.
What is a Mason Oh ok.. No problem brother, If you have the time check these out irisharoundtheworld.com/celtic-symbols you might see it there.. they have explanations to what they mean but I feel they have a lot more meaning to them
Thank you for your time, Peace be upon you.
I agree with you 100
Thank you for answering my 2nd question in the video, you did it Perfectly.
The other question i have is,
What if someone joins a lodge and attends for a few months as a 1st degree.
Then moves out of state and wishes to attend the lodge in his new state.
Would he have to apply again in order to attend the new lodge ?
& does One need to be a Master Mason to attend lodges only in the U.S
Even in the U.S. it's by Jurisdiction. Iowa changed legislation to allow the Master to open business meetings on any degree he deems fit just this last weekend. Until now, only Master Masons were allowed to attend.
So as an EA he can, of course, prove his status (presuming he's learned how to do so). We (Mississippi) do not issue cards to EA's. He could, also, get a letter of good standing, signed by the Sec & WM w/ the lodge seal stating he is an EA. If he is moving for good this letter serves as his way to petition that new lodge for affiliation.
So, he is allowed to attend the lodge (presuming they open in the 1st degree), but there are things he'll have to do to prove he is an EA, just as a MM would have to do.
So that answers your other question. Lodges can be open in any degree. Here in Mississippi we conduct all of our business meetings in a Master's lodge. Therefore you'd have to be a MM to attend that meting. Others, as another person mentioned, hold (or have the option to hold) their business meetings in lower degrees.
1 time a month we're sure to be in a MM lodge. The rest of the time we might be in a EA or FC, just depending on the needs of those present.
The very thought of someone getting all those degrees in one day makes me not as excited to join. This absolutely needs to stop.
There is much you can learn using your eyes and ears.
God gave us two ears and one mouth.
There is no substitute for returning your work.
Agreed
You should check out the 'Short talk bulletin' podcast. It's done by a brother in my district, very informative.