Do Mooer micro preamps and the GE200 sound different? | 005 Brown Sound and the 008 Cali MK3
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- Do Mooer micro preamps and the GE200 sound different? | 005 Brown Sound and the 008 Cali MK3
Hey guys! I've wanted to throw this together for a while now. I've always wondered if there was any huge difference between the Mooer micropreamps and the same models that are being modeled in the GE200. I only have the 005 Brown Sound (EVH 5150 iii), and the 008 Cali MK3 (Mesa Boogie Mark 3), but we'll compare them live and in a mix, and see how they differ!
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Stay safe man, quarantine for the win!
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I love how you play these reviews with a entry level guitar and not with a +2000$ modified custom artist edition guitar🤘🏼
🙌 that's just the one I like! I actually have an expensive Ibanez prestige that I never play anymore 🤷♂️just depends on how I feel that day I guess
So many CZcams channels demoing gear in all different price ranges often have a bunch of expensive guitars, studio gear and an assortment of amps and cabs. Most of us are envious but also having all that stuff isn’t practical, hence why modellers sell well these days and the growth in amp sim vst software & speaker cabinet impulse responses
Pretty awesome comparison! Both the micro preamps and Mooer ge 200 sounded great. Congratulations man!
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Thanks! 🤘🙌🙏
Best comparison I've seen by now
I was curious how the Mooer preamps held up to the GE200. I had thought about getting those with the Baby Bomb. But settled on the pedal, due to more options etc. Thanks again, this is my favorite new channel!
🙌 thanks! I know, I've wanted to do this video for a while and it kept getting put on the back burner lol
@@TaylorDanley, they made so many mini pedals it seemed very tempting. Also cool that they could fit in your pockets. As long as skinny jeans aren't involved!!
Dude, the baby bomv is amazingly loud, pair it with a 4x12 at 8 ohms and it is stupidly loud... I had a katana 100 and i couldn't hear it in the room with the baby bomb at 9 o'clock hahaha i had to sell the katana
Great reviews and comparisons. I'm thinking of getting the preamp live which is essentially all the preamp pedals in one and I'm thinking of maybe doing the ge200 instead. Both priced similarly. I've got time to make a decision but this video helped a lot. Got good tones out of everything. Keep up the good work!
Thanks! 🙌 good luck to you!
this is the video i looking for. thank you.
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Cool video !
You well answered to the difference between 005 and GE200
Thanks! 🙌
When that breakdown hit tho 😠 made me make that face
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Great vid. I wondered the same..
I'm glad to see someone finally doing this comparison, thanks man. BTW I just ordered the Valeton Coral Amp mini pedal, which looks like all these Mooer preamps combined into a single pedal. Would you do a comparison video between the Valeton Coral Amp & a couple of the Mooer preamp pedals? That'd be a cool video I'm sure.
Hmm, I'll have to check it out. Haven't heard of it.
@@TaylorDanley Yeah I hadn't heard of Valeton either until GuitarMax reviewed their TAR-20G 20w mini amp head recently. My hunch is many of the overseas pedal companies 'share' designs, build them into different products & see what sticks.. I even found info online that Valeton is a trademark of Hotone, which is somewhat affiliated with Sonicake? Anyways based on this I really do wonder if the Valeton Coral Amp is literally the same amp models from Mooer's preamp series rolled into one product. Here's the best demo I've seen on CZcams so far, I was impressed: czcams.com/video/5zHWYNANnbc/video.html
I have the Valeton coral and it’s a disappointment, can’t be compared to the Mooer micro precise tonal definition and clarity. The flamma preamp is probably the best deal on the market now, it’s sounds very close to the Mooer micros and you have 7 amps in a sturdy full size pedal for 100$.
@@sonofdirt I also believed that it was the same amp modeling repackaged under different brand names but it’s not the case, the Mooers are untouchable for the money so far, I own the Valeton coral, the flamma preamp and I had the donner devil 5150, the donner was a big disappointment, I was excited about it thinking it was a repackaged Mooer 5150 with a reverb, it sounded muddy and the reverb was horrible. The flamma is good, the BE100 is awesome and the 5150 sounds great very similar to the Mooer 5150 but it’s clearly not the same algorithm, they react and sound different.
Love your channel bro! i hope you can compare Line6 HX Stomp VS Mooer 005
Thanks! I'm sure I will get around to that. I've been meaning to redo the video where I compared the 005 to the axefx3 (5150 block), and compare it to the actual 5150iii model.
Muy buenas Taylor me gustaría que subieras otra vez el enlace con los IR para la mooer GE200 de este video
That's fun how it came to the comparison of 5150, I did like the Micro in the mix a bit more, but suprisingly it sounded much worse (my opinion) than GE200 once soloed - ge200 had more clearance for me, but in mix it had too much muddy mid.
The GE200 has a 5 band eq for everything I believe. I don't know if you have the GE150 but it would be cool to hear a comparison of that and the 200. Also maybe include the micro preamps.
I dont! It does have a few different EQs, including a 5 band!
I like the design of the Mooer Preamp Live with its hands on control layout and visual feedback with the leds surrounding the endless encoder potentiometers. The tone capture seems cool too and mobile app & editor software.
I know, I almost won one on a bid on ebay, but didnt make it. They're really interesting units.
Not too different on the Brown sound , but the Mark III , vastly. I’m not sure if it’s just the cab or what but I liked the GE200 better. This was in the mix. All by themselves they all sound great
I think the micro preamp pedals sound better than the GE200... more note clarity and less fizziness
Yeah, that's what I noticed too
@@KingCrimson82 from what i remember of Taylor’s demo of it, the Preamp Live’s models sound identical to the Micro Preamp pedal series. It also has the added advantages of poweramp simulation, IR loading and if i recall correctly a boost
Great video!!! Ty!!
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I like all your videos. I hope you will get a lot more subscribers and views.
every video better!!
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Advise for you guys if you are looking into playing these live in the return of the effect loop of a tube amp, I have an array of tube amps from a marshall jcm2000 to a peavey valve king and also a low watt blackstar ht5 amp, For à reason that I don’t get the Mooer 5150 sounds completely different from sterile and fizzy to absolutely jaw falling sound in my head depending on what amp you are using it with, it’s a hit and miss.
Well done man! Great playing as usual. The only problem is that now I have even Moore Moore modules I need to consider to purchase. I'll tell you what... Just send me all the ones you don't want to keep and that will be a great starting point... You know like a Level 50 player giving some poor helpless noob an EPIC weapon! Yeah... Just think of it that way. 😄
😂 the Diablo co-op method...
I think micro pedals sound better, richer and with greater amount of mid frqs. GE200 sounds good but quite scooped with the EVH emulation and "fuzzy" with the MKIII... should be interesting to compare GE200 with teh 011 CaliDual micro pedal
Agreed. I didn't think there would be any difference, but the micropres for sure sound smoother
Thanx! Pretty useful. Ain't planing to test GE 150?
🙌 no plans too, but with everything that's going on I'm not planning on acquiring anymore gear until things start to turn around.
@@TaylorDanley Well thats logical. We are quite ok here in CZ, so I will probably order the ge 150 next week. You know, buy test and sell most probably... but the 005 was same idea for me and I have play many gigs with it afterwards. Sounds pretty awesome... anyway stay safe bro!
@ haha, yeah I always tell myself In going to buy,test,sell and I never really nd up doing it!
@@TaylorDanley I would love to stockpile gear, but money have to be rotated :) so I sold today the mooer 005 and will some other stompboxes. Keep rollin baby :)
I bought ge200 couple of days ago. Now it's expression pedal looks different than before. Is this new version ?
Mooer updated it 😁
The one on the video is the old version (I have one too)
Enjoy the sounds 👍
Now corona virus is playing us.. 😔
Sninyy guitar you got there. Wonder what guitar polish you use?
Elbow grease!
Another thing to take into consideration is that if you get one of the mini pedals and aren't super happy with the sound, there's really not much you can do aside from running it into an eq pedal of some sort to try and get it to where you like it. With something like the GE200 or Preamp Live, you can always switch out the cab which can make a HUGE difference.
So, while the mini pedals are a bargain at $100 for (basically) a 2 channel pedal, the GE has a LOT more versatility and if you grab an Ownhammer IR pack (or similar) it can make it even better.
Yep, 100%
You can also get the Mooer Radar (cabinet IR loader pedal) to go with the mini preamps if you don’t want all the bells and whistles of the GE200.
GE200 sounds like DVD and the mini preamps are like Blu-ray.. the detail on mini preamps are amazing. But I think you can get most on GE200 by choosing good IR to compensate the lack of detail... I think .. haven't tried it. Because I use the stock... Maybe you could do it on new video?🤔😁
😂 interesting comparison. 🤔 yeah, maybe. I do this in my shootout videos usually
My brown sound 3 micro preamp and the the 5153 model on the GE200 were identical to my ear through the same impulse but the stock impulse on both is for sure a little different. I have the opposite finding with my micropreamp vs the ge200 in that the mini preamp is super loud where as the ge200s output is about normal .
Hmm interesting. I wonder why mine was so quiet. The mk2 was super loud.
@@TaylorDanley Maybe they changed something between runs cause mine is one of the earlier ones thats not named brown sound 3 the name on the pedal and the box is fifty fifty 3.
005 Brown Sound definitely had more balls than the Ge200 in that instance. I don't know if that's the differences in the modeling or settings dialed in for each. Both sounded great though.
Then the MKIII came in and sounded pretty thick and raw, while the Ge200 sounded more polished and mix-friendy. I felt like the Micro preamp seemed to have more depth at first, but I started liking it less as the track went on.
But I've also been playing guitar through for almost 9 hours straight and my ears need a break......... So they can't be trusted right now anyway
Great job on the video though. You've been pumping out content like you're on a mission the last several weeks, and I'm loving it. Can't wait for the next one!
Thanks 🙌 yeah, trying to keep up a 3/week schedule for the rest of the year to see how it affects my channel.
You should ALWAYS list your signal chain so we know what we are hearing. You are sitting in front of a Mesa 4x12, is it coming out of that ? Is it all direct ? is it a blend ? Is it a camera mic picking it up in your room? I would suggest you list the signal chain in text on the screen at all times while you are playing so we know and can skip around and still know what we are hearing. Thanks
Escuche ambos
Con audifonos
Y se me hace mas natural el micro preamp.
De todos modos siento que tendria mucho sentido
Ya que los micro preamp destacan por el tema de simulacion del cabezal siendo el gabinete un "extra".
Por lo que la atención en ello es mas evidente.
Mientras que en un multiefecto
Mas que tener un enfoque hacia el parecido a los amp o gabinetes
Es el tema de lo que te estan ofrenciendo en cuanto a
"cantidad de cosas"
Ambos estan bien
Pero por ese % mas
Se me hace como mencione, mas autentico los micro preamp.
Al menos esa es my opinion
Y lo que capte al escuchar, cada oido es diferente.
Tienes razón...
Es un hecho
Incluso yo he visto
Muchos videos
De preamp mooer
Sea el 001, 009, 011
Entre otros
Vs el cabezal original
Y es muy impresionante
Es lo mas cercano de uno real.
Aqui yo percibo cuando el sonido es individual en ambos
Percibo que el mooer g200
Suena mas artificial
Y el preamp mas natural
No me extraña que se parezca mucho mas los mini preamp.
Is the ge150 as good sound wise as the ge200?
The big advantage of the ge200 is you can load the samples (amp and pedal captures) from the mooer studio website which really gives it a lot more options. But stock sounds, pretty much the same
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Can you compare the preamps to real amps.
If I get my hands on the real amps, yes
is that the same ir?
No. You can't load custom IR's into the pedals directly, and my feeling is that MOST people are looking at direct comparisons.
You CAN however use it without the cab sim on, and use something like a radar to load a custom cab.
@@TaylorDanley that is very strange... i used to think that amp modeling technology is the same betwen the two, and the only difference would be cabinet emulation. I didnt think that micro preamps had an IR going on so i thought that ge200 would sound better...
Would be really intresting to hear them both with some aftermarket IRs
Try to combine micro preamp with mooer radar.... The sound will be way more different with cab simulator.....
They definitely would
It's interesting, the the Brown sound and GE200 are nearly identical.
With the Mesa pedal, it has a real Decapitated type of tone (which I would have expected from the Brown sound, not the Mesa) and then the GE200 sounded a lot less exciting. The GE200 must use a sad stock IR cab.
Should be ordering the Hotone Ampero later today finally. Great reviews man!
Side note, Panasonic MFT cameras? Say G85 or GH5? What lenses are you using?
Thanks 🙌 Yeah, could totally be the IR in the GE200, who knows.
Yep, I use a GH5 and a G7 (b roll usually) lenses: most of what you see is a Sigma 1.8 18-35 ART w/viltrox speed booster (EF>MFT), and then I have a panasonic 7-14mm I use on the G7 when I have 2 cameras going (unboxing vids for example). Randomly, I will throw on some vintage glass for shits and giggles. If you notice on my last viewer commentary, the picture was a bit different. That was a SMC Takumar 3.5 28mm (adapted to EF and connected via the speed booster).
@@TaylorDanley Nice man, MFT is totally the way to go for CZcams and video in general. You switched from Canon I take it? The 7-14 is a beauty lens. That's awesome, you're another camera nerd. Well met good sir!
Thank you for using a lot of manual focus or at least stopping down, nobody cares about the damn blurred background (now called Ton-eh). Giving yourself some depth of field to work with lets the camera not have to work so hard. The autofocus for close-ups though.... You'll need to go Olympus to get PDAF. The one major flaw with Panaphonic.
Cheers man!
Ge 200 has that inherent cocked wah sound that can't be gotten away from. I got rid of mine within a couple of months; very unpolished modelling imo. The micro preamps are a bit better though.
I notice that a lot, but it's usually because I've accidentally touched the pedal, engaging the wah lol.
Fun fact, Craddle of Filth uses the 005 with the Radar as their live rig ... calling the preamp unpolished sounds weird if a band of that level traded their big rigs for that, its not as if they can't choose what they play with.
@@MarcAndreLevesque I agree, but also keep in mind that a band of that size (or really any touring act) has an incentive to keep their gear as minimal as possible. Less gear = more money for the band. Less labor setting up rigs, less weight in the trailer, less liability of something happens to said trailer. I'm sure, in part, their decision was based on this as well.
@@MarcAndreLevesque for starters I know that CoF use them. Secondly, I said the ge200 is unpolished. Thirdly, bands have used modellers live since their inception; just because a band uses them live doesn't mean they're any good. Often it's size and convenience that's important to them. CoF is no different.
Mooer 005 🤘👍
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On the mark 3 Ge 200 is very bad..I was thinking to buy .But now i dont want to...
Eff mooer..... 9:13 Where can listen to your music sick riffs man
Thanks 🙌 theres links to my band in the description.
It is a Peavey5 150 3 NOT 51 50 3 :) Everyone gets it wrong lol
In the ge200 you have both, one is the PV5050 (5150), the other is the EV5050 (5153 evh). The 005 is based in the 5153, the aesthetic of the pedal was so close to the 5153 that mooer had to change and put the label "brown sound". The first version of the pedal was printed "FIFTY-FIFTY 3", and they probably had to change to prevent a lawsuit
Darala Darala Darala Daaaa Darala Darala Darala Daaaa - I'm pretty sure the ge 200 is capable of puting out much more than that
ge200 has alot of fizz , pedals are clearer
Those micro preamps sound like CRAP going through a power amp. The ge series sound like real amps tbh. Getting the preamp live soon;) hopefully it’ll sound great!
All i hear is SAND... Mooer doesn't sound good for my ear. Maybe you can make it better with EQ, but as it is it's not good.