Why Brightness Drops When You Cut Saturation? - HSB vs HSL

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  • čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
  • Every time you decrease the Saturation with the Hue/Saturation adjustment in Photoshop, the "Brightness" value decreases. In this lesson, we will understand why that happens and explore the root of the cause by learning the differences between HSL and HSB color models. This tutorial will cover almost everything you need to know about how the color models work and how saturation, lightness, and brightness work in conjunction with each other.
    I hope this video helps you. Thank you so much for watching :)
    ► Timestamps:
    00:00 The Problem
    01:24 Why is This Happening?
    01:47 Understanding HSB vs HSL with Diagrams
    08:01 Solving The Problem with Diagrams
    11:35 Extremely Important Recap
    13:23 Reference for Further Reading
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Komentáře • 157

  • @chuengeddie6038
    @chuengeddie6038 Před 2 lety +60

    we surely want another episode about difference between lightness&brightness! please 😊

    • @PiXimperfect
      @PiXimperfect  Před 2 lety +7

      Thank you for the suggestion, Chueng :) Hope you're doing awesome!

  • @whatTheblue
    @whatTheblue Před 2 lety +64

    Such a detailed video, it felt like a college lecture but in a good way 😅, thanks a lot Umesh for such videos

    • @rounak8095
      @rounak8095 Před 2 lety +3

      Undoubtedly, Unmesh is our PS Professor!

    • @PiXimperfect
      @PiXimperfect  Před 2 lety +4

      Haha! I hope I didn't bore you. Thanks so much :)

    • @millolab
      @millolab Před 2 lety

      @@PiXimperfect but it’s not the correct explanation…

    • @user-dn1pu1bb1b
      @user-dn1pu1bb1b Před 2 lety

      @@millolab As the same to me , but I'm not sure where it is. Can you figure it out ?

    • @millolab
      @millolab Před 2 lety

      @@user-dn1pu1bb1b i posted the answer in the comments down here.

  • @punipun7
    @punipun7 Před 2 lety +35

    This is very interesting! Thank you for making this video!

  • @456berat
    @456berat Před 2 lety +6

    Thanks for answering my question :) It is totally make sense right now and also I learned that there are a LOT to learn over there. Thanks :)

  • @GranMaese
    @GranMaese Před 2 lety +1

    Dude, you are the best photoshop master there is. Period.

  • @bala1000mina
    @bala1000mina Před rokem

    Very rich in information! Thanks a lot Unmesh for covering this subject! Good luck man!

  • @FenrirDragonheart
    @FenrirDragonheart Před 2 lety

    You are sooo good at this, love the channel, i don't usually comment yt videos, but just had to let you know the effort and passion you put into these is quite inspiring and very apreciated.

  • @henson_prod
    @henson_prod Před 2 lety +2

    This is when curiosity leads to discovery. Thanks for the technical lesson, Unmesh! and Berat Özdemir as well for the inquiry.

    • @Cre8tiveWoman
      @Cre8tiveWoman Před 2 lety

      ADMIN HERE: On behalf of Unmesh Dinda, thanks for your support and for watching!

  • @Phil_Taz
    @Phil_Taz Před 2 lety +1

    As a prepress person, I learned about 'grey component' of a colour, which is the description of loss of saturation in rgb or cmy... That concept adds some clarity to saturation loss.

  • @ascstudioscuba
    @ascstudioscuba Před 2 lety +2

    Eres un grande, no me pierdo ningun video tuyo y creeme que nos son muy útiles a pesar de llevar ya años usando el phothosop. Saludos desde Cuba

  • @being_aslam_tiger
    @being_aslam_tiger Před 2 lety +1

    The most genius explanation ever on an online platform 👏 🙌 👌 👍

  • @Scott.Sandifer
    @Scott.Sandifer Před 2 lety

    I learn new software and workflow techniques in all of your videos.
    But this one had some excellent explanations of theory.
    Absolutely phenomenal teaching style. Thank you so much for what you do!

  • @marklutnes935
    @marklutnes935 Před 2 lety +14

    Wow! Thanks to the Turkish fellow for even catching this and thank you for finding and explaining the answer. First question that comes to mind is could understanding this make a difference in how we might work color on images? The second question is, in converting images between black and white and color, in either direction, does HSB limit the conversion?

    • @PiXimperfect
      @PiXimperfect  Před 2 lety +4

      It helps you better understand how HSL works when you are working with the Hue/Sat Adjustment and how HSB works when you're picking colors in Photoshop. Understanding both models also makes it easier for you to work with other design programs that give you the option of RGB, HSB, and HSL, among others. Neither HSB nor HSL limits anything; both have the full range of colors, and the difference is how the values work together to bring a particular color.

  • @renderdriver
    @renderdriver Před 2 lety +1

    Great video! I love the way you explain!

  • @muisadinam9615
    @muisadinam9615 Před 2 lety

    This is so crucial, people should learn this at school. Unmesh you're doing a great job. Thanks a lot!!!

  • @omarrkhan4424
    @omarrkhan4424 Před 2 lety +1

    There is no way that I can understand all this just by watching once, indeed you are great teacher umnesh, keep rocking 🔥

  • @winterassociation5739
    @winterassociation5739 Před 2 lety +2

    Yes! I want more technical stuffs. thanks in advance ☺️

  • @marktamparong8618
    @marktamparong8618 Před 2 lety

    Wow this channel just went down the rabbit hole. Thanks Unmesh!

  • @bluskydesign3575
    @bluskydesign3575 Před 2 lety +1

    Well explained i had this question a lot time ago thanks for bringing this up and making people aware about it . 🔥🔥💥

  • @donTbeviL
    @donTbeviL Před 2 lety

    Of course we would love to see a more detailed video about color models! Thanks in advance 😊

  • @tipstrickstutorials5704

    I love all of your videos and the way u talk especially now a days... i was looking for Years for these three things/videos in Ps (1) Save your photoshop life with three history tricks (2) what is overscroll in Photoshop and (3) Disable this for faster retouching in photoshop. Thank You and tons of LOVE from PAKISTAN

  • @100merijung
    @100merijung Před 2 lety

    This was a great technical based lesson tbh. Thanks man!

  • @nayansajjal1698
    @nayansajjal1698 Před 2 lety

    Nice to see you brother...keep good working

  • @troycemedia
    @troycemedia Před 2 lety +1

    Keep up brother your works makes me create more

  • @syamkira
    @syamkira Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the detailed video.

  • @LittleMage1
    @LittleMage1 Před 2 lety

    Thanks a lot for yet another amazing tutorial 🤗

  • @AllisonLuri
    @AllisonLuri Před 2 lety

    Yer explanations r da best. Thx!

  • @meertin298
    @meertin298 Před 2 lety

    Wow, you explained that really well

  • @Sathyamk
    @Sathyamk Před 2 lety

    Ur just awesome..learnt something new today

  • @tipstrickstutorials5704

    Each and Every video is full of Tricks and Tips... Thanks for the video and response to the Email

  • @zain9842
    @zain9842 Před 2 lety

    Yo, thank you i really needed this video in my life
    Who would've 've thought that lightness and value were different

  • @Heiko_K
    @Heiko_K Před 2 lety +23

    thank you for this video. The question lingering for me, after having understood the difference, is the purpose of it all. Why do these two models exist? what is the practical usefulness of having these two color representations? and why does Photoshop mix the two up when choosing and checking the values, which in turn lead to this confusion? Thanks and have a great day, Heiko from Germany.

    • @LionOfKingston
      @LionOfKingston Před 2 lety +1

      To have something stand for what it is and not for what its not...

    • @Heiko_K
      @Heiko_K Před 2 lety +1

      @@LionOfKingston ... I'm not quite sure how to take your reply.

    • @ABCprogamerXYZ
      @ABCprogamerXYZ Před 2 lety +5

      Hey, i am not sure, but i guess it's for real or unreal editing of colors. In real world the saturation of colors decreases with very bright and very low lights. When editing photos HSL can help in achieving correct colors. HSB would be for a more artistic and unreal approach. Greetings

    • @Heiko_K
      @Heiko_K Před 2 lety +1

      @@ABCprogamerXYZ thank you. I get it. although it's not really important since I don't work in a way in which the values are important to me, I still wonder why the saturation tool then uses the hsl model whereas the color picker displays the values via Hsb (or was it the other way around?). but as i said, not really important I was just wondering...

    • @user-dn1pu1bb1b
      @user-dn1pu1bb1b Před 2 lety

      也可能是Adobe故意制造这种混乱

  • @eissua1
    @eissua1 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi Umesh,
    Two subjects I like to hear your story about:
    - Good monitor for photo editing only (2K vs 4K, do you need a 4K?, colour calibration hardware vs software etc, what is 'good enough' for us enthusiasts).
    - Sending of for printing (colour gamut warning, ways to solve it, proofing etc etc, what to ask printer companies).
    Again, not overly complex or super expensive. Just 'good enough' for great results. All within a medium budget range.
    You know what I mean ;-)

  • @LokiDaFerret
    @LokiDaFerret Před 11 měsíci

    Nice explanation!

  • @codepen9151
    @codepen9151 Před 2 lety

    Sir you are unique and best teacher 🤩🤩

  • @n3squ1k666
    @n3squ1k666 Před 2 lety

    Simple things explained simpler, omg what a guy :D

  • @viratyogi
    @viratyogi Před 2 lety

    we surely want the video HSB VS HSL and Lightness VS Brightness. Please make an in-depth video about it.

  • @marcusbunce3406
    @marcusbunce3406 Před 2 lety

    This is why a calibrated monitor is so,, so important
    great explanation

  • @jfmezei
    @jfmezei Před 2 lety

    much appreciated. thank you !

  • @GiTr14
    @GiTr14 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks for the video, very useful information. Please make dedicated videos explaining which tools use Brightness and Lightness in PS. It seems Hue/Saturation and Desaturate (CMD+Shift+U) uses Brightness, but gradient maps and Blend If uses Lightness. Maybe that information can explain the differences when converting the same image to B&W using the different alternatives.

  • @Enra000
    @Enra000 Před 2 lety +1

    unmesh still going strong with the grind! 💪

  • @Puleczech
    @Puleczech Před rokem

    Thanks man!

  • @vaibhavaggarwal3814
    @vaibhavaggarwal3814 Před 2 lety

    Please create a dedicated video on differences between Lightness and Brightness. Thanks a lot for your videos.

  • @parthapratimhalder2629

    Nicely explained, Thanks. Please make a another video about Brightness vs Luminosity for us.

  • @sarthakdhiman2743
    @sarthakdhiman2743 Před 2 lety

    Amazing 😍

  • @Yahia587
    @Yahia587 Před 2 lety +1

    How you know all these things !!! Impressive

  • @kunalramani1424
    @kunalramani1424 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @travelonhistory
    @travelonhistory Před 2 lety

    Great technical video Unmesh, a practical example would have been great to actually show us on a picture, when to use hsl and when to use hsb🙂✌️

  • @mrmind990
    @mrmind990 Před 2 lety

    Ramesh Bhai I watched your whole videos from 3 years or later. You are the master of photography 🕵️😂

  • @trucquynhnhu613
    @trucquynhnhu613 Před 2 lety

    thanks ban chuc ban nhieu nhieu suc kheo tran trong

  • @mdshakir3797
    @mdshakir3797 Před 4 měsíci

    i love this video

  • @gopimk3122
    @gopimk3122 Před 2 lety

    Superb

  • @shoukathali5768
    @shoukathali5768 Před 2 lety

    You are a doctor about Photoshop 😀

  • @MojtabaRz
    @MojtabaRz Před 2 lety

    👌👌👌👌Amazing

  • @1194pa
    @1194pa Před 2 lety

    Good woek😀

  • @kizune1
    @kizune1 Před 4 měsíci

    What helps me remember is HSL is like a bright white light in your face that won't allow you to see colors at all in your surroundings unless you dim or subtract light. And HSB is like a white paper in your face that allows you to add ink or paint until you get saturated colors. Kind of reminds me of RGB vs CMYK, or additive vs subtractive colors.

  • @i_shubham_mehula7638
    @i_shubham_mehula7638 Před 2 lety

    damn... this solved my greatest problem...i used to tweek the brightness and contrast everytime i decreased the saturation

  • @SuperMarioBrosFan001
    @SuperMarioBrosFan001 Před 2 lety

    I have a technical background so I'm used to interpreting these kind of diagrams, and I think you've done an excellent job to explain this in plain English and demonstrate it with visuals. Loved the video!

  • @Gioog1e
    @Gioog1e Před 2 lety

    Now I understand well why we are using a grey solid color adjustment layer as a brightness check layer, instead of desaturation.

  • @bokasonic
    @bokasonic Před 2 lety

    Thanks for this video, very interesting. This made me think what's the best (and proper way) of making an image black and white so to retain the values of the colors. Looks as though this adjustment layer is not the way to do it. Could you help with that?

  • @alexander_shabanoff
    @alexander_shabanoff Před 2 lety

    Nice bubblegum for brain) thx

  • @jazzew
    @jazzew Před 2 lety

    Wow...I think a more thorough video will be awesome! Showing some examples in photos and illustrations! :D I can't remember which model I use, I just use whatever is right there in PS by default. Ha ha! But, now that I see it there, that's amazing and still a mite confusing!
    So when the brightness is 100%, but I have a somewhat saturated colour, that will end up looking darker because, of course, that colour is darker than white. I'm sure there's WAY more to it, but is that kind of on the right path?

  • @LionOfKingston
    @LionOfKingston Před 2 lety +2

    The Einstein of photoshop

  • @yashvardhansaini7178
    @yashvardhansaini7178 Před 2 lety

    It'll be great to get a detailed video on this topic, looking forward to it.. And as always, an awesome and informative video :)

  • @lordbalbero348
    @lordbalbero348 Před 2 lety +1

    What would be kinda cool, is a picture that transforms itself into two completly differant ones, if you go back and forth between complet desaturated and color.
    Differant Hues can still have the same look in gray, so a picture could evolve into a complet differant one, as soon as it gets more saturation.

  • @vladimirioan9182
    @vladimirioan9182 Před 2 lety

    Hello. Thanks a lot for this outstanding video! I would like to know why do we use HSL adjustment instead of HSB(V) or is there any HSB adjustment? And by the way... is there any way to adjust the saturation using curves? THANKS!

  • @AIWarper
    @AIWarper Před 2 lety

    Awesome channel thank you!
    Do you happen to have a video on adding smoke to a photo? Say I have a person with a cigar or a vape pen how to add smoke / vape that looks realistic?

  • @Mxxm2024
    @Mxxm2024 Před 2 lety

    This man can solve the problem of existence and quantum physics

  • @viniciuslucke6757
    @viniciuslucke6757 Před 2 lety

    If you pause whenever the color picker is on the screen like say at 1:41, you can imagine the HSL double cone and the HSB cone represented in the main square. It just takes some creativity in folding it with your mind. To imagine the HSL double cone, you pretend that the leftmost black point is moved all the way to the right and the square is no longer a square; it's a right triangle now. You're looking at a slanted representation of a section of the HSL double cone, with all the greys having been moved to this 45-degree diagonal and all the saturated colours sticking out in varying distances from the grey axis. The distance being the saturation of course. Now to view the HSB cone what you do is, instead of moving the leftmost black point all the way to the left, you move the rightmost black point all the way to the left. This cone is not slanted like the other one; it's standing straight and the grey axis is vertical. Another way to go about this entirely is, instead of imagining sections of cones and double cones, just reset and look at the square we started with. Luminance is vertical and goes from the bottom of the square to the top vertically so values are mapped horizontally (i.e. 50% on the vertical scale of grey is the same height as 50% on the vertical scale of any saturated colour), whereas brightness is L-shaped and follows half the perimeter of the square, going from the rightmost black point all the way up and then all the way left to white, so mapping is slanted 45 degrees (i.e. 50% grey on the diagonal scale of grey is the saturated colour on the top right colour because we're tracing lines diagonally).

  • @ColourNation_Studio
    @ColourNation_Studio Před 2 lety

    Hi Umesh Super good information. Always you are great. I am indian wedding photographer when I edit .cr2 files in Adobe Lrc color bleeding is big problem. How to increase saturation without color bleeding ? Please this is a problem for many photographers.

  • @Nasrullah0
    @Nasrullah0 Před 2 lety

    I just can't explain with words, I got the idea easier than saying my name.

  • @veronica4513
    @veronica4513 Před 2 lety

    We stan the coco shirt😚🤌🏻

  • @TiGerRtalk
    @TiGerRtalk Před 2 lety

    we want learn thing about color😍😍

  • @TheMihig
    @TheMihig Před 2 lety

    Which of these two color modules you would say represents real life colors more accurately?

  • @qlum
    @qlum Před 2 lety +1

    Technically, on a screen the image gets brighter not less bright.
    As a display is made up of red green and blue subpixels, fully saturized red would be 100% red color 0% blue %0 in other word the screen produces / lets trough 33.333% of the light. So the 50% brightness gray is brighter than the original red, even if it may not seem that way.

  • @KahunaMexico
    @KahunaMexico Před 2 lety +4

    I have been teaching color theory for a few years, in a physical way, but now that I am starting to teach color in digital media this will help me a lot, I had never considered that difference. Thank you very much Unmesh! I love when you explain theoretical concepts!!
    Do you have any video that talks about color LAB? In addition to the web you shared, how to use it in Photoshop? Thanks!

  • @stephenprakash7596
    @stephenprakash7596 Před 2 lety

    can you make a dedicated video on how to match perspective.i'll be thankful.because while creating my composites i do such mistakes.

  • @dr.ijeziedesbois
    @dr.ijeziedesbois Před 2 lety

    You need an honary doctorate degree (if you don't have one already) lol. We need more teachers like you.

  • @allanswers4955
    @allanswers4955 Před 2 lety

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @eugenekhristo7252
    @eugenekhristo7252 Před rokem +1

    Sometimes it is very confusing when jumping between HSB and HSL. Why not to get rid of one of the model altogether😅! HSL for me feels more intuitively understandable.

  • @XDarkmage1
    @XDarkmage1 Před 2 lety

    How to set the bright level of my monitor properly to work with Photoshop? What is the best settings?

  • @nisanxlilova1102
    @nisanxlilova1102 Před rokem

    cool

  • @BubbleGendut
    @BubbleGendut Před 2 lety

    Great subject. So why does Photoshop use two different colour models? HSB is the more intuitive

  • @19hertz
    @19hertz Před 2 lety

    Instead of defining saturation as colour intensity I find it easier to define it as how much grey is added. Then lightness is how much black or white is added.

  • @alexandra9298
    @alexandra9298 Před 2 lety

    Please make a video explaining value and lightness. This confuse me and i also couldn't find good sources that explains it

  • @qenbered5762
    @qenbered5762 Před 2 lety

    Is there any equivalent channel on CZcams for Illustrator?

  • @mzituhin2017
    @mzituhin2017 Před 2 lety

    Working of Adobe Software Graphics design, digital marketing, digital Image editing and Video editing can these be done on Macbook Pro?

  • @mr.h_arab
    @mr.h_arab Před 2 lety +1

    please make comparison video

  • @MinkowskiHermann
    @MinkowskiHermann Před 7 měsíci

    Hi Umesh,
    is there any way to saturate image in HSB way? I mean so the brightness doesn't go up.

  • @pedroschg4
    @pedroschg4 Před 2 lety

    at 10:40 whats the lightness in HSL for the point left, befor decreasing the saturation?

  • @hadyanfakhri5967
    @hadyanfakhri5967 Před 2 lety

    If ling ling can practice for 40 hours a day, Unmesh can make video on the same day as well as edit it on same day and upload it on the same day with best quality of course. Unmesh is ling ling of photoshop.
    9:57 you can see that the date was on 3 May 2:20 PM.

  • @ringingthebells307
    @ringingthebells307 Před 2 lety

    Pl। make seperate video when to use hsb or hal in photo editing

  • @shablabh
    @shablabh Před 2 lety

    oh damn

  • @braad3885
    @braad3885 Před 2 lety

    by the way, what's the song name at the ending?

  • @kittyinasock
    @kittyinasock Před 2 lety

    Is there a difference between brightness, exposure, and burning when something needs to be darkened?

  • @onkar5404
    @onkar5404 Před 2 lety

    that biceps be looking juicy though!

  • @vedanshiM
    @vedanshiM Před 2 lety

    Could you explain the difference between brightness/lightness and levels/curves?

    • @egokhanturk
      @egokhanturk Před 2 lety

      There is a video about levels vs curves already i guess

  • @tobiasreckinger2212
    @tobiasreckinger2212 Před 2 lety

    We should use CIELUV for everything related to human Vision

  • @HaroldEscalona
    @HaroldEscalona Před 2 lety

  • @pradeep2264
    @pradeep2264 Před 2 lety

    ok how to do Hue sat in HSL model. why it is not the default