THE QUEST TO CATCH MAINE'S RAREST FISH || For Wild's Sake: The Rare Trout Chronicles | Episode 2

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    Join us for episode 2 of For Wild's Sake: The Rare Trout Chronicles, season 1! A series which explores human beings relationship to the natural world, in hopes of gaining a better understanding of how and why we assign value to wild things and places. In a quest to illustrate rare and threatened species of wild native trout in watercolor, artist Chase Bartee and wife Aimee set off on a multi year, cross country adventure of discovery.
    We've made it to Big Reed Pond, a 90 acre, deep water sanctuary tucked away in a pristine old growth forest in the middle of the North Maine Woods. Now the real work begins; trying to catch a notoriously hard to find fish with a fly rod. Though the fish are believed to be doing well in this Big Reed, that wasn't always the case. We discover that the population was almost completely lost 2 decades ago after a careless and uniformed angler introduced a non native and invasive species of bait fish. The recovery effort mounted by Maine IDFW was nothing short of miraculous, and today the fish are once again thriving.
    But as we find out, saving the fish once may not have been enough, as these rare and precious Blueback Trout (Arctic Charr) are once again facing a great threat, this time from the very people who dedicated their lives to protecting them.
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    0:00 Recap
    0:48 Intro
    01:46 Reclaiming Big Reed
    07:00 But How Do You Catch Them?
    11:40 Finding The Fish
    15:20 We're Not Out Of The Woods Yet
    18:47 Difficult Conclusions
    20:43 Credits
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Komentáře • 217

  • @TightLoops
    @TightLoops  Před 3 lety +7

    *HEY GUYS! If you'd like to support this series please consider purchasing a highly limited and commemorative film poster from this series here!: **tightloopsfly.com/store*

    • @frogsnacks
      @frogsnacks Před 3 lety

      Next year you guys should come up to Canada and take a shot at some Aurora Trout/Char, if you really want a rare prize with a cool story.

  • @WildeFische
    @WildeFische Před 3 lety +40

    Your guys filmmaking is beyond anything I've seen! Glad you get to do such big projects. That's the direction I'm heading towards🙏🏼

  • @brandonstewart4349
    @brandonstewart4349 Před 3 lety +18

    Wow. Part of me was like “what exact flies did they use” 😂 but you guys are so much more than that. I am legitimately p****d off and now want to help anyway I can. Thank you for sharing in hopes of making the world a better place, period.

  • @rayvivdurgan3060
    @rayvivdurgan3060 Před 2 lety +3

    I was born and raised in Maine and have had the great fortune of visiting many of Maines hidden gems. I especially heart felt the comment by the guide that said just being on the water is all that is needed.
    Being in the element is priceless, it is difficult to understand the rational of
    the Maine government to put these areas and fish at risk. Seems they are oblivious to lessons learned. Great film Thank You

  • @washguy5982
    @washguy5982 Před 3 lety +4

    Wow! You guys are phenomenal documentary film makers, this is far higher quality than most CZcamsr’s

    • @jimmynoname4089
      @jimmynoname4089 Před 3 lety +2

      Honestly i think this is higher quality than most things on Discovery channel.

    • @washguy5982
      @washguy5982 Před 3 lety

      @@jimmynoname4089 good call! I agree

  • @nathanrains9292
    @nathanrains9292 Před 3 lety +1

    Hands down, the best YT channel. I can only imagine the effort it takes to bring these stories to life. Thanks for taking us along

  • @evanwilliams382
    @evanwilliams382 Před 3 lety +3

    Never expected some Arctic Char to make me emotional of all things

    • @willmaynard9016
      @willmaynard9016 Před 3 lety

      I know what you mean Evan, I think it's more the situation than the fish though.... Think I've got something in my eye.

  • @williambushey1977
    @williambushey1977 Před 3 lety

    I have been following Tight Loops from the beginning and as a Mainer this series brings me so much joy

  • @andrewschwerdtfeger5165
    @andrewschwerdtfeger5165 Před 3 lety +1

    Came for the fishing and stayed for the stories. Awesome production, can't wait to see more.

  • @Matt-TheFinChaser
    @Matt-TheFinChaser Před 3 lety +3

    Well, that's something! You're definitely one of my best inspiration since the beginning, and every time you release a new content I'm like "How do they even do that? Always stepping up?!"

  • @vanlifeish5465
    @vanlifeish5465 Před 3 lety +1

    Absolutely loving this series! Not too many fly fishing channels are this good, keep it up!!

  • @haroldconner2645
    @haroldconner2645 Před 3 lety +1

    “ living the adventures “ through your films. Thank you.

  • @mattokeefe691
    @mattokeefe691 Před 3 lety

    Great piece. Restoration of something precious. A labour of love and chance. Not about catching but celebrating. Thanks very much

  • @xiao6826
    @xiao6826 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for providing all these that are so special and recalled my respossibility of protecting the wild.

  • @tightlinepursuit-samfetzer7809

    Another well documented video! Thanks for spreading the word on the delicacy of these fisheries. I look forward to each episode that comes out!

  • @sampoultney7373
    @sampoultney7373 Před 3 lety +2

    As a fisheries biologist here in the UK, with an Arctic charr (some would call it, obsession) passion, the points raised about just the fact they are there in the first place and don't need to targeting or personally fishing for them, strikes a particular chord. Glad they got them back from the edge.
    P.S. Glad you spelt charr correctly 😉

  • @ALYSSUMS_SHOW
    @ALYSSUMS_SHOW Před 3 lety +1

    Love the trout illustrations, they are works of art, same with the words - Mark

  • @nolanrodarte5997
    @nolanrodarte5997 Před 3 lety +1

    Loving the series🤙🏼 As a new fly fisherman and a nature lover, I can’t wait to see what you guys have in store for us all. You both truly have a talent for your work. Coming from California, thanks for all the great videos. Inspired.

  • @patagoniadrifters8369
    @patagoniadrifters8369 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks a lot for this new movie, and thanks for your thoughtful vision of nature and so much care! Love d once again how you expressed. Looking forward for more!!

  • @jimmcdonald9244
    @jimmcdonald9244 Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful story. Thank you from Australia. We are very familiar with non-native species invasion, the carp in particular.

  • @jimm5119
    @jimm5119 Před 3 lety

    I continue to be amazed by the quality of your work and the clarity of your message. I can't wait for the next episode!

  • @how_nate_rolls4603
    @how_nate_rolls4603 Před 3 lety

    Again…the cinematography and production is like nothing else out there right now covering this way of life and such good conservation effort story. Bravo for covering the efforts to restore and protect what we all here love. Very well done.

  • @ryanbaisden1288
    @ryanbaisden1288 Před 3 lety

    This is fly fishing, it isn’t a numbers game but a deeper connection to nature around. These folks aren’t shoving their gear in your face every second or constantly looking for our approval but instead documenting what drives so many of us being the desire to see nature in its purest form with leaving no trace. Conventional tackle may catch more fish but there is no connection like the slow pace and natural imitations of fly fishing. Wonderful video, truly inspiring.

  • @williamemmons8816
    @williamemmons8816 Před 3 lety +1

    Powerful video document. I have been fortunate enough to stumble into 9 of our blueback lakes/ponds. This has given me a great deal to think about. Thank you!

  • @mattw897
    @mattw897 Před 3 lety

    you guys are doing an amazing job, raising awareness to an issue so often over looked and understood. As an avid fisherman 15 mins from your base and a lifelong summer home in central Maine, i sympathize with your plight and would love to help in any way i can!

  • @IntoTheWildFlyFishing
    @IntoTheWildFlyFishing Před 3 lety

    Like always, these videos are breathtakingly beautiful, well done, and as perfect as can get. I look forward to each one. Thank you for doing all you can to help those native fish. In the Upper Peninsula, we try to do the same and protect our fisheries. Once again, keep up the amazing work!

  • @frenchbrit5098
    @frenchbrit5098 Před 5 měsíci

    I might never get to fish for bluebacks in Maine but just knowing they are there is what is really important.

  • @lisamejorado2028
    @lisamejorado2028 Před 3 lety

    It was such a pleasure (and shock lol) to meet you yesterday Aimee! I can't wait to watch more of your adventures. You inspire us all! If you ever need to plug in or a place to park, shower...27 Center is always available for you two!

  • @StrictlyDriesProduction

    As always, extremely high quality movie! I love all your stuff, it's a great blend between fishing, outdoors, artistic, poetic and road trip stuff. Nailed it as always! Thanks for sharing with us 👍

  • @drewc8065
    @drewc8065 Před 3 lety

    “That experience is really what people remember.” This is the reason to be respectfully to the natural environment. Great video guys. It was really beautifully done. The shot of the white berries against the yellow maple leaf is great. I paused the video just to look at it. You capture moments while telling a story. Thank you.

  • @johncharlesvenrastrom
    @johncharlesvenrastrom Před 2 lety

    Maine native and the only fish I haven't caught in these waters are blueback, lake trout and muskie, great and deeply appreciate the video and hope the best for the blueback population!

  • @andrewcyrus785
    @andrewcyrus785 Před 3 lety

    Lets go! So stoked!

  • @TitusLivy777
    @TitusLivy777 Před 3 lety

    Excellent! A real pleasure to watch.

  • @NorthernRetreat
    @NorthernRetreat Před 3 lety

    Another beautiful episode of professional proportion. It has NG quality all over it. Love the artwork too.

  • @livefreeorflytrying
    @livefreeorflytrying Před 3 lety +6

    Keep it up! So good. I didn’t know y’all were dropping “Planet earth season 5” lol

  • @mikedoherty3563
    @mikedoherty3563 Před 3 lety

    I hope you guys are as happy and real as your films are totally captivating and technically pleasing . Keep going, please.

  • @sunsetszn2953
    @sunsetszn2953 Před 10 měsíci

    This video is much bigger than just fishing. Thank you for sharing!!

  • @yujinny1999
    @yujinny1999 Před 3 lety +1

    Even as a single fly-fisherman, the more I watch, the more I think about my own place in the fishing industry and how even my actions and/or inaction impacts the environment and therefore the sport that I love.

  • @erinmichaud9111
    @erinmichaud9111 Před 3 lety

    Love! Great job. Looking forward to more!

  • @blueman5924
    @blueman5924 Před 2 lety

    Great series in so many ways. Thanks for sharing your world.

  • @chrisr3555
    @chrisr3555 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for coming to Maine and filming! Excellent video and narrative.

  • @c-nigh8091
    @c-nigh8091 Před 3 lety

    This video, just has the two previous episodes you posted, is the highlight of my week... Your work is just gorgeous !
    Merci beaucoup

  • @mjbaerwalde
    @mjbaerwalde Před 3 lety +1

    I dig these videos. And the outro song is pretty sweet.

  • @jeremiahgroves3708
    @jeremiahgroves3708 Před 8 dny

    Beautiful fish

  • @thebradfordcamps
    @thebradfordcamps Před 3 lety +5

    Way to go Chase and Aimee.....
    The best comment we have heard yet from one of our guests is "well, fantastic stuff but the soundtrack misses... when you get into Igor's plane there are only two choices: Jimmy Buffett or Jerry Garcia..." HAHAHA.
    This is very very well produced and has a message from the heart. Poetry in video format.

    • @er8434
      @er8434 Před 3 lety

      I heard you guys are the ones who pushed for less restrictive regulations for this body of water. Can't say for certain but that's what was said. I hope it's not true.

    • @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
      @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Před 2 lety

      @@er8434 You have much to learn of ecology. I suggest studying what happened in the Kamloops area of BC when they stocked barren lakes. Then you will begin to realize the dynamics of the ensuing generations and their problems.

    • @er8434
      @er8434 Před 2 lety

      @@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists I suggest you read more about this body of water before you starting spouting off. I don't really care what happend at some body of water in western Canada. The proposed/new regs are too liberal at this time. Every body of water is different.

    • @er8434
      @er8434 Před 2 lety

      @@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists You probably aren't even familiar with this body of water outside of this video. Fisheries like this one are extremely rare in the the US. Inland Fisheries didn't put enough thought behind these new regs.

    • @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
      @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Před rokem

      @@er8434 How many habitats have you ever managed? How many have you enhanced? Like I said. You have much to learn.

  • @mattgauthier7216
    @mattgauthier7216 Před 3 lety +1

    I agree that you should not be able to keep them, as well as using trebles, but I think being able to use single hook artificials would make it best for all involved, the fish and the fisherman. Great video guys!

  • @arnoldzilban8274
    @arnoldzilban8274 Před 3 lety

    Incredible doc. And what a fish and illustration this char!

  • @jeremiahgandy8447
    @jeremiahgandy8447 Před rokem

    Such an underrated channel!

  • @grahamkay8711
    @grahamkay8711 Před 3 lety +1

    You guys are awesome so much looking forward to the next one 👍

  • @timk4809
    @timk4809 Před 2 lety

    Great film! Your videography, imagery and illustrations are simply masterful, but perhaps the most important part of your work is the knowledge and research that you bring to your topic. Your respect for the natural world is so very much needed today, and it's wonderful to see how you and your work reflect that respect. As a photographer, fly-fisher and conservationist, you push all my buttons! Please keep up your great work, and thank you.

  • @flyfishnewengland
    @flyfishnewengland Před 3 lety

    Really enjoyed this series. Care deeply about Maine and preserving native species. Plus, our friend Darrell is a handsome chap. ;) Keep ‘em coming!

  • @BlueLinerMedia
    @BlueLinerMedia Před 3 lety

    Amazing as always!!!

  • @mattsweet7918
    @mattsweet7918 Před 3 lety

    Beautiful video, gorgeous char. Thanks for sharing this great video. Best of luck on your continuing journey. Keep the wonderful videos coming.

  • @GilbertRowley
    @GilbertRowley Před 3 lety

    The timelapse waterfall to pool was such a sweet shot! Great series guys, keep it up!

  • @ColmMullally
    @ColmMullally Před 3 lety

    What a fantastic documentary, wonderful skill telling an important story. Brilliant, thanks from Ireland

  • @adventuretimefishinghunting

    What an amazing story! Totally captivating! Great Video series!

  • @glorifyhymn
    @glorifyhymn Před 3 lety

    Fantastic production quality and story telling!

  • @danieltyler2225
    @danieltyler2225 Před 3 lety

    Great info and awesome film!

  • @jamesbutler6261
    @jamesbutler6261 Před 3 lety

    Another amazing film! I think you made the right choice naming the pond. It’ll allow the public to hold Maine accountable.

  • @OlufsWaterview
    @OlufsWaterview Před 2 lety

    Great stuff. Hope the bluebacks stick around

  • @cephasmcpher67peteroutdoorspip

    I'm so grateful to the organizations in my area here in the Adirondacks. " Trout Unlimited" has done a lot in designating certain areas as catch and release, no treble hooks and promoting barbless hooks.

    • @TightLoops
      @TightLoops  Před měsícem +1

      Absolutely. Check out “Trout Power” sometime if you get a chance. They’re doing super cool stuff establishing genetic baselines for various heritage strains of brook trout in the ADKs!!

  • @CrazyAboutFlyFishing
    @CrazyAboutFlyFishing Před 3 lety

    Stunning and informative. Loving your films

  • @chrisyork3709
    @chrisyork3709 Před 3 lety

    Loving the series and as a Maine angler, thank you for helping to bring public attention to the situation of arctic charr in my state. I am mostly a spin fisherman and do much of my angling for smallmouth bass in central/ southern Maine rivers, but native species need to be protected (even at great cost). There is a place for other sportfish in Maine waters (brown trout, northern pike, bass, etc) as many are just too warm to support wild populations of species like brook trout and charr - but fly fishing only/ catch and release only regulations on places like Big Reed are a good thing and absolutely must stay in place (for the foreseeable future at least). If the fish rebound fantastically then maybe allow a bag limit of one or two but I fear that allowing all artificial lures will not just pose a problem with increased pressure/ likelihood of fish not surviving release after being caught on treble hooks but also that it will increase the chances that someone will do something incredibly stupid and engage in "bucket biology".

  • @CalledCollectiveMedia
    @CalledCollectiveMedia Před 2 lety +1

    This is just awesome. I am back and commenting again because you guys are fantastic. Your story telling is impeccably great! Like wow.

  • @coolcatswearinghats
    @coolcatswearinghats Před 3 lety +1

    Love it!:)

  • @TheAutoworks
    @TheAutoworks Před 3 lety

    Nice, super pumped.

  • @juddoutdoors7015
    @juddoutdoors7015 Před 3 lety

    Another amazing video! You do an awesome job at story telling. Nice work. Enjoying the series a lot. Thanks for putting in the work!

  • @billanderson2134
    @billanderson2134 Před 3 lety

    Educational, enlightening, inspiring,beautiful
    Well Done!

  • @tomaszclifford
    @tomaszclifford Před 3 lety

    You are great!!! Love your movies guys :)

  • @darrenjackson8721
    @darrenjackson8721 Před 3 lety

    Love love love!!! Great job and thanks for sharing such passion! Darren/Nashville

  • @jacqueline7118
    @jacqueline7118 Před 3 lety

    Wow, what a fantastic episode 2. Very informative and creative, thanks very much for sharing. :) :)

  • @Itztheadventurez
    @Itztheadventurez Před 3 lety

    Best Fly fishing content by far just saying!

  • @CalledCollectiveMedia
    @CalledCollectiveMedia Před 3 lety

    That right there is what it is all about let’s gooo! Thanks for your hard work you are doing import things! Aimee has a reel knack for those still images!

  • @rickricky5626
    @rickricky5626 Před 2 lety +1

    a beautiful fish.....a real char.....a landlocked jewel.....a canary in the coalmine,,,,,an important indicater species,,

  • @justinbergmann1967
    @justinbergmann1967 Před 3 lety

    Satisfactory!!….

  • @j.p9655
    @j.p9655 Před rokem

    You guys are incredible. Always just perfect films. I wish the PNW would consider utilizing these strategies to save its fisheries.

  • @patricknoveski6409
    @patricknoveski6409 Před 3 lety

    Ive watched from that first trip to Montana.
    Its amazing how you've both grown into this very cool Journey we are all on with you now. Cant wait for the next one.
    As for the political regs, just follow the money 💰. Grrrrr.
    Thank you for including us as you Go.
    Peace.
    P.j. Calif.

  • @criagfurness8305
    @criagfurness8305 Před 3 lety

    world class documentary

  • @ghostflow9029
    @ghostflow9029 Před 3 lety +1

    You guys make amazing videography. Your work is next level. As a photographer I’m inspired by your work, keep it up 👍

  • @richardsousa2625
    @richardsousa2625 Před 3 lety

    Good luck you two!

  • @ejmedvecz9319
    @ejmedvecz9319 Před 3 lety +2

    You guys are fu*king rockstars. Dope sh*t I love it!

  • @tacticalflyfisher3817
    @tacticalflyfisher3817 Před 3 lety

    I did my master’s project on a population of introduced Arctic char in Colorado. During that time I researched the distribution of char extensively and thought a lot about the imperiled remnant populations in Maine. Thank you for beautifully sharing part of their story and highlighting their value and plight. I look forward to the rest of this series. It has had an incredible start. Good luck to you both in MT.

  • @baggetja1234
    @baggetja1234 Před 3 lety

    Great video I hope it gets 1 billion views

  • @healerondemand3464
    @healerondemand3464 Před rokem

    If anyone is going to catch ‘em. You know it’s going to be Amy. She’s like a fish magnet.

  • @4amwaj
    @4amwaj Před 3 lety

    so good

  • @davidfreudenberger9390

    Very thoughtful

  • @laird770
    @laird770 Před 3 lety

    Great job narrating Steve Rogers

  • @WildBlueDiscovery
    @WildBlueDiscovery Před 3 lety

    Wow......what an awesome trout species!!

  • @corbeilyves5489
    @corbeilyves5489 Před 3 lety

    Thank's

  • @backpackingireland8624

    I’m hooked 🤩 Great story . The task seemed impossible, certainly wouldn’t happen in my next of the woods ! Loving the content, 1st class 👌Atb Tony 🇮🇪🇮🇪

  • @ctowndrippnw1926
    @ctowndrippnw1926 Před 3 lety

    Such a great video I love this series! I’m gonna need you two too hurry up and get over here to Washington State, and for you to check out the elwha river it had the largest damn removal in the United States and by 2022 natural salmon fishing and steelhead fishing will be aloud!

  • @DANIELMILNOR505
    @DANIELMILNOR505 Před 3 lety

    Well done filmmaking. Good story, camera work, etc. And the illustrations are outstanding.

  • @nathanclark4674
    @nathanclark4674 Před 10 měsíci

    Thanks for this video. Maine should take a lesson from Lake Sunapee in NH where I live. Sunapee also had an indigenous population of arctic char that were so abundant that the shoals they spawned over each fall turned golden with the color of the fish stacked up. Through overfishing to supply NYC restaurants a hundred years ago and the introduction of lake trout and Atlantic salmon, the remaining population of native char were eventually consumed or cross-bred out of existence. A needless and tragic result from lack of foresight and natural resource management.

  • @ncbirdwatch5992
    @ncbirdwatch5992 Před 2 lety

    I don’t like the concept of loving something to death. Thanks for bringing this fishery problem to light and for naming names.

  • @hemop8752
    @hemop8752 Před 3 lety

    awesome

  • @RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors

    Just getting caught up 👍
    Awesome series 👏
    Thanks for the great effort you put into this

  • @ProbablySkunked
    @ProbablySkunked Před 3 lety

    This is fucking amazing. This is the content we all need. Especially loving that its East Coast content

  • @ericarchey6271
    @ericarchey6271 Před 3 lety

    I truly love your videos, movies really. The production is far better than anything I’ve seen. Chase’s narration and Aimee’s angling prowess is a blast to watch. I know you’ve probably heard this a thousand times, but how is your production company not called “ChasingAimee” ?!😂😂 I know. I know. You’ve heard it all before. But seriously…. Keep up the amazing work.

  • @thebradfordcamps
    @thebradfordcamps Před 3 lety +1

    This is a wonderful TL production!, it was so well done.
    But I want to also add that the video’s ending message that ”the fisheries dept doesn’t care about the fish they only care about the fishermen” is not quite complete. The person that drove the 2010 reclamation is the same guy that subsequently relaxed the regs to allow for trolling and lures. The decision to relax the regs was based on years of post-reclamation data of fish growth and qty, compared to the available feed in the pond, it was a huge, careful, concerted effort involving aging, live netting, underwater camera work, and radio "collaring fish. The biologist spent a lot of time following up on the reclamation. The info collected showed an imbalance and a possibility that the existing population of brook trout and bb trout will become malnourished or even crash. So a thinning of the herd was recommended. This scientific adjustment was not adequately portrayed in the video. The result is that the biologist is getting a lot of knee jerk negative reaction to his science based moves to protect what we have there. He broke his back to save that pond and he succeeded, but as they say: “no good deed goes unpunished “!!!
    But he has thick skin and the pond will stay healthy. Thanks all for the passion shown, its been a great ride for that body of water.

    • @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists
      @BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Před 2 lety

      Bradford, thank you for standing up for the real science. I was wondering about the rebound after the initial stocking of a barren lake. Your comment belongs at the top of this discussion.

  • @ALYSSUMS_SHOW
    @ALYSSUMS_SHOW Před 3 lety

    here in Northern New Mexico we have many trees that are endangered though id like to write of the pinions who at just ten years old they are only a foot at most. So a big old tree is like a young maple back east in size. A five hundred year old tree looks like a bonsai made by a giant in these wide open sky. So I was asked by a friend I was helping to take one down. four inches round. Right next to another just a little bigger. My artist eye saw them as lovers though the Gardner my friend he was like the gentleman in your video and new that in taking down the one the forest would be more healthy and in a way the one remaining tree holds the souls of them both. So same for the pond the lake the ocean..to be bold enough where its not just a notion or idea. Thankful We the World do have such heroes as your videos are showing us. Great show, plus the editing the videographers are artists and the content is needed. Thank you

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      @ALYSSUMS_SHOW Před 3 lety

      I also appreciate the music, that its subtle and not overpowering. The piano is like water..anyway again thank you -Mark Pilato