The End Times and The Jab | Doug Wilson and James White
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2021
- In this episode of The Sweater Vest Dialogues, Pastor Doug Wilson and Dr James White discuss the end times and the jab.
The Sweater Vest Dialogues is presented by Canon Press.
Still a pre-mil, post trib, part calvenist/Arminian, Bible reading/studying person. Haha. Thank the Lord that it's not a salvation issue but it can affect how you spend your time till He comes. However, we see through a dark glass dimly. Let's keep humble and keep the conversation going.
Thanks for putting this up!
Couldn’t agree more!
Agreed. Just like dispensationalism, Calvinism and Arminianism are not and should not be the center of the gospel message. They are philosophical/theological arguments, both drawing on support from the scripture, used to interpret other parts of the scripture. We are called to do good works, called to make disciples (which means teaching other people how to live, not just what to believe), for the glory of God through his son our Messiah Jesus. If your particular flavor of scriptural interpretation comes before that mandate, you are no longer following Jesus.
Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture?
(Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?)
Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed?
Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10
Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously?
Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11?
Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14?
If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then?
John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.
Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11?
Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5?
John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive?
John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead.
Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29?
How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3?
How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?
Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context…
The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage.
What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..."
Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire?
Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?
Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?
When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?
What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?
Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?
Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55?
Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.
Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31?
What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?
What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13?
Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?
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Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation?
Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”?
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne.
Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
To know that we (Christians)will prevail is so encouraging in these confusing days.
Right won't be easy but God with us.
@@bobbyraejohnson The question I have is will we prevail or will Christ. Are we actually good enough to usher in the kingdom? I believe only Christ can. If I'm so wrong about this, why am I wrong?
@@troydeutschendorf3627 I can only agree. We aren’t good enough nor are we powerful enough unto ourselves.
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@bob 42255 exactly. I’ve never heard any pre mill say that we are gonna lose. They always say, God wins in the end.
I'm 77 and still learning!! Thank you for answering many questions iv had for years! 🎉
Next No Quarter November Doug will be lighting a Cesna on fire mid-flight, landing on the runway in the nick of time, and calmly walking away as it blows up.
Never looking back because cool guys never look at explosions.
Now there's an idea!
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
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Since becoming a post millennial I have had my entire approach to life changed. I live for Jesus and what I can do to serve Him with the time He gives me on this Earth. He put me here for a reason and it isn’t to focus on the destruction and doom potentially to come. Also dealing with the massive amounts of false prophets and the deception and confusion that comes with predicting and newspaper exegesis of Scripture.
It removes a lot of the fat in modern “Church-ianity” in my opinion.
I focus on Jesus for strength to fight back the evil beating on the door and to rely on Him in my day to day life. I know God has ordained all things and His plans are far superior to my insignificant and flawed assumptions. Don’t let the world steal your focus by worrying about a rapture date or consumed by the darkness that surrounds us. Just walk with Christ and conform to His image. Serve The King.
Love the talks guys, you are great!
Burn it all down Doug! 🔥 God bless!✝️
Great encouragment. Holistic worship of God is what makes the most sense knowing God. That means redeeming also the world for His glory. Let us facilitate beauty in that regard for once.
so much admiration i have for you James. And ever since i saw some short films of Dr Doug bully Christopher Hitchens, i became a fan. so much respect for you guys
What a great time in history to be alive and serving alongside Jame White and Doug Wilson. What solid leaders and servants of Christ they both are. Great video.
Very good discussion 👍👍
Encouraging and thought provoking conversation boys. Thank you from Australia
Finally the sweater vest dislogues are back 😃.
Love the discussion between these two godly men. May our Almighty God Jesus Christ bless them.
I'm ALWAYS encouraged by Mr. Wilson's teaching/commentary.
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
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The Sweater Vest Dialogues returns! Praise to our God!
Poetry and humour wrapped in one.. Logos is indeed rising.
@Alexej Svirid ,....You have spoken nonsense. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
III John vs 2. Brethren above ALL things I wish you prosper & be in health.
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@@4usgardens who's Paul Young? RC Sproul had a wonderful saying that I use all the time to counter heretical "findings". He said "if you discover something that has gone unnoticed by the rich, 2000 year old church, its a good idea you need to abandon the discovery". I'll use it here because I dont believe one man has a greater understanding of the Scripture than millions, perhaps billions, over millennia.
When times are dire, the Sweatervest Dialogues return!
I read your comment as Sweatharvest for some reason, lol
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I did the same thing 😂
Dire??? ROFL 😂
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
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In regards to our grand children, I can't wait to see you two discuss your differences on covenant succession and credo/paedobaptism! I'm full of gratitude for both of you and your service to Christ, it builds up His Church. Both of you are respectful of one another in conversation and it represents dialogue amidst Christians with different second tier differences. I'm currently Postmill because of both of you and others. Thank you
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
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Dr James White is my virtual teacher.
I believe a light has gone off listening to this, thanks gents.
One of the huge things that played into our joining the church we are part of was this. Our church emphasizes the principle of "in all that we do, we must take into consideration, and make a priority how what we are doing, effects the two generations coming behind us." As we do so, our way of doing things, our emphasis, our actions change, and I absolutely LOVE it! As we pass this principle on, our children and their children will do the same. Quite a simple and profound thing.
BTW, you guys are pretty amazing together. Loving these videos.
Wow!! What an amazing church to belong to; what town are you in?
UA,....So, in reality what you are doing is ensuring that the next two generations will be as blind, lost, and deceived as you all are. The entire church is apostate and has no actual Biblical understanding. They sell a 100% different religion, jesus, and gospel than that of the Bibles. This is what you are making sure gets passed down to the next two generations.
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
@@tonybasoni8443 I’d love to hear more from you. Can you explain what you mean? I don’t mean any disrespect. I honestly want to hear from all sides.
@@kated4359 ,.....Yes, of course. The person I responded to is just really saying, whatever fake christianity he has been indoctrinated with/into, is what he will pass down to the next two generations. Just because he thinks it is correct, means nothing. The entire world is filled with those that think they have religion correct.
He in reality is only going to pass down all his deception, and false beliefs, no different than a mormon passing down all their false Biblical understanding. They too think they have it right and have been successful at keeping their descendants indoctrinated into their false Godless religion. What this person is proposing is the same, only a different false christianity.
It is Jesus that passes down the actual truth of the Bible to those that belong to him.
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
III John vs 2. Brethren above ALL things I wish you prosper & be in health.
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I held the pre-trib view most of my life. Last year I adopted the pre-wrath view after examining my eschatology. It was one of the hardest things I ever did to challenge my pre-trib view. I appreciate listening to other views. It helps me maintain balance. I acknowledge we need to not interpret scripture through current events and that others before us have thought it was the end of the world. We may seem to lose a battle along the way but it’s Christ who is already victorious. I will never again hold my eschatology so tightly.
What do you believe now, out of curiosity?
Honestly idc about if there’s a rapture or not. I’m a Christian and I’m not afraid to die for Jesus. I think people who focus on the rapture are people who are scared of being faced with the decision to either worship the beast or die.
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@@tvhead7074 i think people who study it are more interested than anything.
@@tvhead7074 it’s not always the case. It’s wanting to understand the scripture and trust what it says. If it does teach the rapture then we can believe it.
Appreciate the amount of quality content from you guys in these strange times.
DT,.....This is only quality content insofar as this is all a 100% fake antichrist christianity.
Delighted to see another one of these!
What an absolute blessing.
Best Revelation explanation I have ever seen is Bruce Gore's YT video series (60 - 50 minute videos) called Apocalypse in Space and Time ....Absolutely fantastic ....He traces interpretations from 2nd century to present, then interprets the book , lots of references ...amazing!
Thank you. I've been outside the church for 30 years, due to the prevalence of the pre trib rapture theory, that then became equivalent to the gospel. I was raised rapture pre trib Baptist, but after searching the text couldn't find it in the text. That undermined my whole view of theology and I went into a long period of rebuilding, searching, reading etc. I truly believe it was inspired. I ended up rebuilding and becoming a sabatarian, Calvinist and reformed. No organized church, yet, but I am comfortable and still changing. But, in no way will I ever go back to the view of Christianity that is so small and exclusive. God will do as he pleases. What is happening now, is His will. To think otherwise is a sin. We should be rejoicing at God's work everyplace. God should not be put back into our box. God is at work with all people, through His Son. The sickness we live through now, should be dealt with as we would during anytime. We shouldn't change our response to God's purpose and will for our lives. I do believe that this time is different, as this time involves the world, our planet, solar system, galaxy and universe are actually changing, of course, all according to God's will and plan.
Postmillennialism has changed my world view and my prayer life, thank you.
Lisa, I highly recommend and seek to encourage you to find a local body of believers to fellowship with. This is so important! Even if you find a church that you disagree on some theological points, you are much better off with a group of believers than on your own. I say this as your brother in Christ, who spent years outside of a church struggling and by God's grace found a church way better than I even thought I could find. Not a perfect church, because we all haven't yet attained perfection. My life has changed so much because of the help from these brothers! We must be in fellowship; not only is it a command from our Lord Jesus Christ, but it is also a grace and blessing from God. We need to fellowship with other believers so that our hearts are re-oriented to Christ (we stray so easily without realizing it)!
Humbly, your brother in Christ who loves you. God bless you sister!
I love these talks. Glad they are on the canon app as well 👌🏽
I think there should be duel cameras so we can see the responses to the other at all times. I'd love to see White's smirk at 16:40 when Wilson says that the consistent armenian is an open theist, a truth White has long expressed.
Every true Christian of every eschatological view knows that we are going to prevail.
The troops need to be rallied with clear, solid biblical teaching. Majoring in the branch of theology that is most debatable is not the wisest road.
We're so unused to suffering that when faced with imminent persecution, we think either the rapture must be at hand, or else we'll soon experience temporal victory (Give it five years). What we really need is a solid spiritual foundation that will help us face suffering with courage, maintaining our faith in discouraging circumstances.
Do you think those who hold to the pre trib view do so because they fear persecution?
I think that Christians in the West are so spiritually weak that we focus on our eschatological view (whatever it may be) in an unbalanced way. We should be focusing on obedience to Scripture's clear commands and on preparing for the obvious. I mean preparing ourselves and one another spiritually for persecution. I believe that, not because of my eschatological view, but because persecution is the Christian's lot; and we're meant to face it in faith. And any believer of any eschatological view can see that persecution is coming to the West. Actually it's always been here for those living a truly godly life, but few of us have been doing that. We've compromised so much that we don't even realize how worldly we are. But the Bible teaches that persecution is the norm, and we're getting to the point where we won't be able to weasel out of it anymore. It will be time to "Choose you this day whom you will serve."
Our hope is not here, It's not meant to be here, Scripture does not teach us to have our hope here. The Bible teaches us to have our eyes on the things unseen, on the things eternal. As far as eschatology, Christians agree that Christ will return, that He will judge all men rightly, and that His children will experience joy with Him forever. He'll reward us for the good He's done through us. He'll reign in glory, and we'll be victorious with Him. Absolutely no Christian needs Doug Wilson's view in order to have a joyful, victorious hope.
No one knows all the details and timing of prophecy; we do know that we're to be faithful and full of hope until He comes.
@@sharihephzibah3814 well of course. I agree with you because you state the obvious. What's to be expected of the West when life is easy by comparison. On the other hand, by and large those in the USA are benefitting from Judeo-Christian principles, so we know God's design works. And let's also acknowledge that in the West people do suffer from different kinds of stress and hardship. It's not all that obvious as what makes life easy is not necessarily healthy, so we are over worked (that is, for those who work), fat, stressed, and out of touch with what's really meaningful.
@@winniecash1654 yes, they fear persecution
@@tvhead7074 I sure it's true for some, but it's a generalization nonetheless.
I'm fixated on that Star Trek - The Next Generation Warp Drive on the top shelf. That looks really cool actually.
The dilithium crystals are still going strong.
"No fun becoming a Calvinist because it was very humbling".
Amen. My experience as well.
I would definitely agree. But when it happens, you start seeing the truth of it EVERYWHERE and you feel like you are seeing the whole world again for the first time.
@@douglasmcnay644 Hi Douglas. Yes, well said. It's like being "born again" after being "born again".
Excellent dialogue regarding eschatology. I really appreciate the recounting of how each came to hold their current position.
JL,....Neither of these guys understands the Bible and are of, and sell a totally fake christianity.
@@tonybasoni8443 I didn’t quite understand your response. I would be interested in hearing your reasoning. Thank you.
@@josephleary6008 ,....Although these two after many years of failing to understand the Bible, have now come to some correct understandings of scripture, still in reality do not understand the Bible. When Jesus saves someone and makes them spiritually alive, he does not take them though years of false teaching and false wrong beliefs. He takes them straight to the truth and correct understandings.
These two are just intellectual christians. Everything they believe and understand comes from their carnal unsaved minds. From their corrupt intellect and from years of trial and error. They are of the Godless worlds counterfeit christianity, not the Bibles Christianity. Their understandings do not come from the Holy Spirit, they come from their carnal intellect. From the minds of men, and mans version of christianity. This version is known as the antichrist version.
The entire church is apostate and has and sells a counterfeit version of christianity, an antichrist version. That is what they are discussing here, not the Christianity of the Bible. This is why they have spent years and years steeped in darkness and deception. Jesus does not bring those few that belong to him into darkness and deception, he brings them into the light. What Jesus saves those that are his from, is the church and all its false teachings and perversions of scripture. He does not snare them into it as these two have been.
@@tonybasoni8443 Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
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Glad he mentioned Blog and Mablog. I've been missing those.
I love these chats with the two of you. Thanks!
Love these two! They look so cute in their vests 🥰
I love, love, love these! Please keep them coming. Blessings to you and yours
When the prophet was telling the king and the people they were going to Babylon, it was the promise of 70 years of hardship ....but they were given directions for the ongoing living circumstances and future ...as you said God has a plan and the timeline is in His timing and method of progress
You mean like when Jesus said, "..you'll be persecuted & killed.. for my sake"???
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It is such a privilage to sit in on conversations like these! Thank your both!
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Still unvaxxxed. Still not even considering it.
Same. Cheers.
Unvaxxed by the grace of God
Will you be travelling internationally? Does your work require it? I'm asking because it is getting more difficult to operate in society without the card of compliance. I usually don't get sick and the only thing covid did to me was a headache and sore throat. I don't need the vax, but I wonder how long we will be able to sustain this in society. I'm interested in hearing other's thoughts.
@@PilgrimNinja I'm a missionary in northern Nicaragua. I hear what you're saying. Traveling home to see my family has been super complicated, but currently Even if you do have the vaccine you still have to have an expensive negative RTPCR covid test. Currently the only difference is that If you're unvaccinated the test has to be completed within 24 hours, whereas if you are vaccinated the test needs to be completed within 72. It's all garbage.
@@PilgrimNinja I'm glad I'm retired so I didn't have to choose between getting the jab and earning a living, but covid is never going away. There will be endless variants and endless booster shots. I expect to eventually end up in a quarantine camp. My family are all vaxxed but they still may not want to see me at Christmas.
I thoroughly enjoy listening to your show even though we don't share the same Eschatology and Soteriology. I'm so thankful that we have educated and articulate brothers in Christ such as yourselves and Durbin. Great show!!!
Not yet that is
@@user-jk2po3cz7d The arrogance
@@lukusmaximus how can four words lead you to believe if someone is arrogant or not?
MMKC,.....What you do share with these two guys is their 100% fake christianity.
@@tonybasoni8443 what is this fake christianity
I can see us all up in heaven, humbled by the views we held so staunchly as truth, finding we ALL got it wrong!
Right on! It matters that we are on the winning side. Even though we may be fodder in the early stages of the battle! The victory is His! Amen!
I have a hunch that the pioneers of faith will sit back and just say, when all of Christ's own are with Him in Glory, "brothers and sisters...y'all made all of this WAAAAYY too hard!" Lol. Humor and joy will be in heaven, and I can see this as being a source of laughter and conversation
Great convo. Loved it.
It is amazing to hear you both talk of the different roads one takes to get to where you are today. How true and interesting. I was a 4 pointer for years, yet learned that being a 4 pointer, and not believing in limited atonement, made God the servant and man the Sovereign when it came to salvation. Not to mention, that a dead man not quickened by God, could actually will to go to Christ, making man a super sovereign dead man. One must be quickened ( made alive) simply put, born again by God, then in the live state drawn to Christ by the Father. I am still working toward on my study of last trump, last days, when Christ comes physically with a physical rapture and bodily resurrection of the dead saints.
I love these
YES!! the sweater-vest mafia dropping more fire !!
Whenever I here post-mills talk I'm reminded of things like Haley Mills in "Pollyanna" and the old John Connolly song "Rose Colored Glasses".
It’s Back. Praise God these men know that dialogue between denominations is vital.
THIS IS SO GOOD!
These men bring me much solace. Like wizened distant uncles at the family gathering that we don't get enough time to see. Thanks, gents.
Do they bring you ‘ solace …scriptura? ‘…. Like what I did there… lil reformed jokey joke.
@@willire8811 epic
@@natebaumgartner9958 😎
Thank you gentlemen.
Great discussion 😎👍
You guys should address Todd Friel and how he’s been on a terror trying to shame Christians for questioning mandates.
Todd's an otherwise faithful man, don't you worry, God will address him much better than these gents would be able: just pray for him on this perceived error
[edit] forgot to mention, Dr White _did_ address much of a recent DL to Brother Friel's misapprehension -- pretty easy to find on the A&O channel
Who in hell is Todd Friel?
@@johnbrooks7144 not your personal search engine, buddy -- you need to download the internet onto your computer and install 'Ask Jeeves'
@@ChristyOFaghan I didn't ask you and you're not my buddy either but I can tell you right now that God does not call his people to blindly obey a collective of unlawful satanic people who call themselves government and claim a right to the life and property of everyone they can dominate by terror and brute force. The Holy Spirit is not directing any Christian to obey Satan's disciples just because they are de facto recognized by Satan's media as installed in some secular office.
For your information all the Caesars are dead and headed for hell and ours is a rule of law, not "authorities". Please do show me the "magistrate" who wields the sword to punish evil doers? The government sword - I have a "sword" too - today persecutes the righteous and can't even see evildoers. So, categorically, the Holy Spirit does not convict any Christian to obey unlegislated edicts particularly when such edicts are based on a mere media mantra repeated endlessly as if by their many words they can create a covid pandemic, in fact a government-established religion by another name. However, there is no covid pandemic. There has not been a pandemic since the 1918 meningitis pandemic of 1918 that was caused by an early meningitis vaccination experiment conducted on troops later sent overseas. It was called the "Spanish Flu" to deflect attention from the fact it was caused by Rockefeller pharmaceutical experimentation on live human beings. In this current media event, mortality rates have not increased. In fact, fewer people than usual died in 2020. Statistics courtesy of America's Frontline Doctors and thousands of other actual doctors, the kind who cure disease and heal people, and their empirical statistics. The Holy Spirit is not ignorant of reality. The Holy Spirit cannot lead the faithful into error. The Holy Spirit does not deceive Christians.
Ok "buddy"?
Also, I do not run "Windoz" and I use Brave and Startpage, not "Jeeves" when I want to find something posted on the internet. For unexpected results and a look into dusty corners I use GoodGopher.com. I am back to my initial refrain, "Who is Todd Friel?" and again the answer to my rhetorical question is another Elmer Gantry, a John Piper who says a Christian should stand by and let someone murder his wife and children because he doesn't know the state of the murderer's soul when the right course of action is shoot the attacker, he is going to hell anyway.
I love that...'what if we're the early church?' Brilliant.
Mind blown 🤖🧠💥
Really good conversation!
As Brother Paul Washer states, "on the day Jesus returns you'll know everything about it, but you'll spend an eternity of eternities of feeding/basking over the glory of the gospel".
14:08 - _Why should I not believe that God can save the whole world?"_ Because God has said he will not always strive with man. God has said there is an end of the age. Jesus says there is a coming judgement, and to flee the wrath thereof. He says it will take (almost) everyone by surprise. Jesus asks, _"When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on earth?"_ It's a rhetorical question. The answer is "no", or "almost none". God says that he will send strong delusion, not strong revival. God says that this earth and universe will be burned in fire, not made glorious. It will be burned in fire, and replaced by a completely NEW world. Jesus says that his kingdom is NOT of this world. God says this world is passing away. God paints all of human history as the loss of the many, and the salvation only of a remnant.
None of this paints a picture of a Church becoming ever more victorious over the world, and reigning over it. They are surely not suggesting this, are they? Didn't we used to call this "Kingdom Now" theology? God didn't say he was going to save the world. He said Jesus would save *his people* from out of the world.
Great comment. I appreciate it as I am a pan-tribber myself. I just want to point out that post mills believe that the gospel will overcome. Kingdom now theology is about us conquering those 7 mountains (arts, govt etc) and then spreading the gospel. But then I ask about post mil, “wouldn’t converted persons then have to take over these 7 areas in order to rule the world?” I don’t know. It’s a little confusing to me.
Agree, most of believing Christians will die for their faith. I believe the dead in christ will be raised incorruptible when Christ returns and be with Him during the 1000 years. Many pastors/churches are not preparing their folks for the tribulations that Jesus spoke of while He was with us in the flesh. Read your Bibles daily, pray to the Father daily, walk with Him who loves you...Shalom!
I'm just wondering, if the new heavens and new earth occur when Christ comes back at the END of the millennium, why is there a millennium? Wouldn't that be the beginning of an ENDLESS reign?
@@judylloyd7901 I think because he planned for 7000 years. A day with the Lord is as a thousand years. Men work 6 days and rest on the 7th. Hence 1000 years of rest on THIS earth. The one Adam and we sinned on. Jesus will take the curse off. Plus believe it or not after 1000 years of people seeing all Jesus does still rebel when Satan is loosed at the end of the reign. There will be billions that will come against Israel. Because Satan is loosed they will be deceived into thinking he is the good guy. This time the Father in Heaven literally vaporizes them with fire! 🔥
Revelation 20:7-9. Then the white throne judgment happens. At this point there are only saints left and will see the new heaven and earth and new Jerusalem coming down.
And we live happily ever after.
2 of my favorites right here, love these guys. They both have had a tremendous impact on my thinking in the past few years. My only critique is levied towards Dr. White though. I'm not sure which iPhone 5 he's recording with, but the man needs some Audio/Video upgrades! 😆
BK,.....They may have had a big impact on your thinking, but what they have caused you to think and believe is not the Christianity of Jesus and the Bible. It is the fake antichrist christianity of the Godless world.
@@tonybasoni8443 I find responses like these usually originate from an Arminian (non-Cavinist) pre-millennial mindset (living in the end times, rapture happening soon, etc.). Would you say this describes your theology?
@@BenWillKing ,.....Actually, it is the opposite of my theology, and could not be more wrong.
@@tonybasoni8443 Interesting. Then you would need to justify (support) your claims of “fake antichrist theology”.
@@BenWillKing ,.....I understand that these two gentlemen are excellent speakers and present scripture with authority and seem so right, but they are not right. They are correct about many things, this is true, but that is what makes a false teacher so successful and hard to spot. No one notices all the leaven they add into the mix.
Here is the situation. There are two Christianitys. One of Jesus and the Bible, and the other a counterfeit version, an antichrist version of the Godless world, (the beast). The fake one looks exactly like the real version, but it is not, it is laced with leaven, (false teaching). What the church puts forth (sells) is the antichrist version, that is what these guys are snared into.
One Christianity is of the spiritually alive, of the few Jesus came to save/redeem, his chosen ones, his elect. And the other one of the many uncalled, unsaved, spiritually dead people of the world that have taken the kingdom by force and entered in through a different door.
The Bible tells us that the church will fall away, and it has long before our lifetimes. It is totally apostate and in the business of selling the Godless worlds version, the antichrist version, that simply means, a replacement for the real thing. These are those who believe in the false manmade freewill gospel and fake rapture, as well as those who believe all kinds of other false doctrines like the two gentleman in this video.
The entire churches real religion is scientism, that is the Godless religion of the whole God hating world, (the beast). What the church sells is scientism's version of christianity, not the Bibles version. It is a replacement for the Bibles version, it is an antichrist version. Unsaved mankind's version
Calvin's five points are 100% correct doctrine, and he understood mans condition and salvation, however, I am not a Calvinist. There of course is no such thing as a rapture, that is a 100% unbiblical manmade CONNcept.
We can take the long view. Amen. Praise God.
great show as always
That is one of the best points that I have ever heard: Christians never think about the future of their grandchildren. Bravo, amen and God bless!
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble." Matthew 6:34
@@aguy446 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children’s children, (pro. 13:22a
@@pkp7743 Yes, clearly, the sin of worry and the virtue of planning are not the same thing. When I travel across the country, do I plan it or do I just wing it? Ask anyone with small children if they’ve planned for their education of whether they just are waiting for the Lord to drop sacks of money from the sky some day? Thanks, yours was a good reply. I would also add James 4:13-17 in which James admonishes those who would presume that they are the lords of their lives, but instead ought to submit their goals and plans unto the the Lordship of Jesus Christ, as it is befitting of any Christian.
@@aguy446 Please read the reply below and then please read my comment to the other reply to your comment.
@@theauthor8901 I’ve noticed this alarming trend too, particularly in American Christian’s who deny the climate crisis whilst simultaneously facing increasingly extreme weather events!
Other than audio issues, a great discussion.
I love these 2 men...great examples of elders.
Thank you both for this great discussion!
Dude, love that light up warp core!
I was extremely blessed, a privilege to listen, thank you two very much.
David Chilton.
I was a sophomore in college when I decided I wanted to read a commentary on Revelation.
Went to the library and The Days of Vengeance - Chilton, look interesting.
Up until that point I only knew of pre-millennial dispensationalism, as was the position of the college I was attending.
He was my introduction to other eschatological views.
Although I do believe he made some fairly long stretches in some of his interpretations.
That same year my brother-in-law sent me a tape series by some guy I had never heard of, RC Sproul, Chosen By God.
What an interesting, but great, year that was for my mind.
We just needed it to get a little colder out to justify the sweater vests again!
I love learning from other positions! I love both this guys. The only concern is seems they reach their positions from reading books and not lead by the Holy Scriptures.
I know that’s what change my position from post trib to pre trib.
Its interesting, because I moved my position from pre trib to historic pre mill when I compared what pastors, books, and theologians were claiming against the Scriptures.
Peace in the Truth of our Lord, who will return and do all that He has promised.
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
III John vs 2. Brethren above ALL things I wish you prosper & be in health.
**type in Dr. John Bergman utube. Greatly improve health/is a choice
What a great conversation. Thank you for this!
Paul Young discovered errors/women submit--Eph. 5:22, I Tim. 2:12 czcams.com/video/iqZQLAvgIWc/video.html
III John vs 2. Brethren above ALL things I wish you prosper & be in health.
**type in Dr. John Bergman utube. Greatly improve health/is a choice
I now have a vested interest in a sweater without sleeves. It has an appearance of wisdom to the wearer. I'm in ...time to get a sweater vest.
As these 2 prove,looks Can be Deceiving
Thank you for this discussion. I've had all of an hour to find out there is yet another point of disagreement which is pre versus post millenialism. So before watching further, I looked up what those are. I think I am a historical pre-millenialist, then. And I do see what you're saying just before 33:09 about the Christian soldiers needing some hope of winning. But I don't see it as us losing. We lose for a bit and then are raptured to be kept safe and then some worse mayhem occurs, which may jostle the remaining non-believers enough to get them to believe. Then God Himself, Jesus, returns and wins for us. I believe God wins the war, not humans. I am still learning but this seems closest to what I've read so far in the Bible. And, also, my experiences and knowledge of humanity prevents me from believing we will be able to do what the post-millenialists believe. Making a good world - the Kingdom - ourselves? Not from what I have seen of humanity.
Well said and that's my understanding also.
Super fun episode!
When the government arrogates to itself any divine attribute (i.e.: omniscience) by saying that they KNOW that the benefits outweigh the risks (when they cannot KNOW that without being omniscient, since they cannot KNOW long term risks, since those aren't know-able risks to anyone except the Lord alone at this point), then they are essentially saying, "Caesar is Lord" in the same manner that Caesar meant it to be said in the 4th Century. That is, they are attributing a Divine attribute to themselves that (omniscience). God alone is omniscient. So, there you go, guys. We're already there, literally, per US law. Three members of POTUS's cabinet signed paper saying they KNEW this thing. In the prior administration, to boot. So, there's another paradigm shift. They were required, by law, to say that they KNEW this in order to legally allow these serums to be given. The law presupposes that they're being honest. But any logical person can know that they aren't being honest. Because no human knows the future.
Without omniscience how did they KNOW the benefits of introducing seatbelt laws??
@@aallen5256 seatbelts have been tried and tested for 60years or so..
@@adevore1971 mandatory seatbelts have been law for fifty years. My point was about OPs suggestion that governments can’t know anything without being omniscient. Experts exist.
@@aallen5256 are you implying that experts say the jab is safe?
@@aallen5256 Omniscience is not required in order to know something that is know-able. It is only required in order to know something that cannot otherwise be known. If automotive seatbelts had never been invented, and you were to say that you knew that they were safe, then you may or may not be correct in what you claim. But you still cannot have known for certain that they were safe, because you'd never had to opportunity to observe their automotive safety firsthand in order to make that determination. You simply don't have the knowledge. So, you can't honestly claim to have that knowledge. Even if you were an expert on safety belts. Being an expert does not presuppose omniscience.
Great job guys. Let's be honest here, they are selling us this jab with the "now I'm a good person. Loving my neighbor" language. There is no doubt my redemption is in Jesus ALONE not some jab crap.
Good conversation brothers!!
God bless 🙌✝️
@40:33 that's a great way to end this already great discussion.
Basically, with the Forced Cookie situation as Christians we are presently faced with a "which lie will I personally choose" decision or something similar maybe soon... And I don't even have a basement.
More collaboration please
I look at the Vietnam War. One side kept fighting, thinking each small tactical victory was a major turn in the corner. After years of not getting that "big victory", they gave up and helicoptered out off the rooftop.
The other side was prepared to lose battle after battle, but kept coming back. Particular victories didn't matter, they saw themselves as the rightful owners of the nation. They would say that they would succeed through being "like ants under an elephant's feet." After decades, the gates of Saigon fell.
Who had the long game in mind? Who was willing to "lose" to win? Who believed in an inevitable victory? Who won?
I grew up in defeatist dispensationalism my whole life. The death blows to that was:
1. Repeated failed predictions of the end times.
2. Reading church thinkers from previous centuries.
3. Reading the Bible and looking at problem passages that never made sense under premil interpretation.
He will have the full victory, the earth is the Lord's and everything in it. He will reign until all enemies are placed under his feet.
Curious to hear what verses you think don't make sense using the prelim interpretation? Also what do you mean by He will reign until? Does Christ's Earthly reign have an end?
@@whodeytko I think they are referring to Psalm 110:1. But I don’t think it means that Christ will stop ruling lol.
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Does anyone know what movie James was referencing that Doug was in that helped change him?
On Earth as it is in Heaven
We must study and get our eschatology correct, because, God declares the end from the beginning. Therefore, if we have an incorrect understanding of the end, then, we will have an incoherent understanding of the beginning/middle/end.
It is fascinating that Dr. White basically admitted 2 things:
1) He didn't approach eschatology with the same fairness as he does other subjects like Islam.
2) He admitted his belief in postmill is escapist.
Wow! Just wow! Also, he consistently made arguments against postmill and didn't seem to realize he was doing so. 🙄
I think he's just trying to pick Doug's brain on some obvious retorts to Doug's unguarded optimism at times.
I would pay good money to see Doug tell MacArthur to his face that he only derives his eschatology from newspapers.
Although I do not agree with everything Dr. MacArthur teaches, he has done a lot in the fight against exposing the false church movement. He's a man and therefore not infallible. He has errors. Just as Luther had plenty. Do not treat him as a villain and disrespect as he sure does not deserve it.
@@adampetersen4795 I'm not. I'm saying that Wilson and White are way out of line for saying that the premillenial view is based on newspapers. It's a strawman of the most extreme variety. MacArthur handles scriptures, not newspapers, and he handles them well.
My apologies. I see now what you meant. I have great respect for the Doctor, even though he's flawed in certain aspects. Tis was a kind of knee jerk reaction😊
@@adampetersen4795 No worries! I wasn't very clear in the OP. You have a great day as well!
Your civil dialogue between each other warmed my heart this morning. Thank you.
I wish I knew what they are talking about. What I could pick out was very interesting, and I can see they held a great conversation. It's just so many of the terms were never clarified. I guess this is for advanced intellects, not me.
Watched beginning to end. Heard everything you said. What did you say?
Talking a lot and saying little. Especially regarding the title of the video
I watched this video at the perfect time. I have been wrestling with Critical Justice Theory among family and friends. I was alarmed by this "thing" that has arisen from the abys. But I was seeing it in a completely wrong headed way. A recent post on Wilson's blog began my rethinking on this issue, doing a demolition job on the outright fearful, and thus sinful alarm over the whole matter. I was viewing CJT as some type of rebellion against a otherwise decently operating secular system. And this decently running secular system owed its decently running nature to the influences of Christian theology. It was a sort of thing were I thought just enough people within both past and present society were sanctified to allow for societal advances ... whatever so-called "positive advances" there may have been - i.e. the abolition of slavery, advances in scientific knowledge, the germ theory of disease, telephones... whatever one might call a positive advance that makes life "better". I viewed bad societal things (i.e. abortion on demand, corporate corruption, undeclared wars, flat tires, whatever might be seen as a negative) as just the result of there being just enough unsanctified people to cause cultural cancers. Now that may be a too simplistic way of understanding societal goods and evils, but something like that is much nearer to the truth than the CJT idea of innate systems of oppression revolving around group identity and that everything can be viewed as propping up oppressor groups, even if they may marginally help oppressed groups. But this video put the keystone in the reconstruction - Secularism was doomed from the start. CJT is not the corruption and decay in the otherwise rising health of secular societies... it is the inevitable result or unavoidable step that secularism was bound to induce. Actually I should put it more strongly.. bound to PRODUCE.
Thank you!!! Both of these men of GOD have taught me so much!
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III John vs 2. Brethren above ALL things I wish you prosper & be in health.
**type in Dr. John Bergman utube. Greatly improve health/is a choice
Whats the name of the document received for giving the pinch of incense? I cant spell it close enough to get a google result.
Replying because I have the same question and want notifications on the answer!
Can someone tell me where to get a copy of the "Safe and effective" image?
"All our Daigons are falling down" Amen
I can’t believe there are so few home schoolers! Way before salvation, way before children, my wife and I knew, before we met each other, there was no way we would hand our children to any school system. Hard to believe it is not obvious to all people-especially saints.
I listen to several conservative podcasts. They are "fighting for the same thing I am" but they do so without Christ. So they have their own Utopia, just different than the Marxist utopia. Christains need to address the culture prophetically (Biblically - so the SECULARISM of "both" camps is addressed.)
There is people that are Christian and just don't put it out there. So just because they don't mention jesus doesn't mean it's secularism.
The extreme left and right both want the same things. They're too dumb to see it.
@@aguy446 That isn’t true as the two “extremes “ have totally different premises and two different ideologies that are diametrically opposed to one another. So, they can’t “both want the same thing.”
This lie is told because the lie it’s premise is based on is Hitler and Nazis were the right. It is also based on the lie that those who claim to be the right are liars and their policies were tyrannical. But, they claimed to be, x, and so the ignorant (maybe even on purpose) say, see they’re “the right,” so they are the same.
The lie that it is circular is stupid, too.
Lastly, the lie is based on heathens, hedonists, and the morally debased who think that any laws that keep them from being lascivious is tyranny. I can’t be a sexually, immoral heathen they must be tyrants.
So, no; they both can’t be wanting the same thing .
@@aguy446 one extreme wants to sacrifice personal freedom for percieved security, and the other extreme wants to protect and regain personal freedom at all costs. Two very different things
The future, for all who believe, is life everlasting. The future, for all who believeth not, is DEATH, death for evermore, unending. This is the message for all times.
"...limited atonement sounds like tiny atonement". hmmm.... Perhaps this is also my struggle with the idea. Something to consider.
I'm definitely leaning toward postmill. But most Scholars believe the Book of Revelation and the Book of John were written after the destruction of the temple in a d70. So how do we get around that??
No way, I'm not going to lose, I'm waiting till Christ's promised return, and His final and ultimate victory in which we gonna share.
does anyone know the film thats being referenced at the start of the interview
I am even more optimistic than what is presented in this wonderful presentation, being neither a Calvinist nor an Arminian. I am a Trinitarian Restorationist!
Come on guys we’re going to lose!!! Lol made me laugh
excellent