The Biggest Nerfs of the Street Fighter 6 Patch...
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The newest Street Fighter 6 patch brings us something that we all have been looking for (or fearing)...nerfs. Now, some nerfs are actually good and healthy for certain characters to deal with, while others...might just make them fall from grace. Kizzie Kay and jmcrofts talk about the nerfs done in this patch and who they think have been affected the most!
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17:32 that sim in the background was absolutely robbed. I'd be so salty about that round
Ed also is one of the characters that suffers from the improvement to Drive Reversal. He and other characters without a 6f medium get significantly less reward by blocking these now.
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! Not Ed! wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ed also has the 2nd highest winrate above 1700MR, after the patch.
I can understand nerfing some of the combo routes with Chun, but nerfing her neutral game on top of that seemed like overkill when she was already fair as a character in S1.
Ed is a big loser in this patch because the "universal" changes affect him negatively. They introduced wakeup drive reversal so ALL characters have a semi safe wakeup reversal, that's -6. Ed has no 6f medium AND they put 20% scaling on lights. His punish for blocking a wakeup drive reversal is barely more than a throws worth of damage for using 3 bars of drive rush and that's IF the light reaches. He was considered mid-tier before the patch, got nothing, so can only have gone down.
Been saying this,plus some of his ok MU are now harder like ryu damn.
Yup, he is the big loser of the patch. Hope he gets some buffs the 26th.
Yeah I really dont understand why they made drive reversal -6 instead of -8 on top of making it a wakeup option. All making it -8 did was hurt punishes for characters like Marisa and Ed. It's a really bizarre change IMO.
He's getting somethibg soon, capcom said that the patches are coming more frequently
I'm not an Ed player, but I could have sworn the general consensus was that Ed's biggest issue was that his jab (kick version I think) sucked, and that he'd be so much better if they buffed that. Well they did didn't they? So why do people think he's worse?
I really hope they don't nerf Ed's desync combos.
I can't do them yet, and I really don't wanna spend all the time to get them consistent just to have Capcom gut them.
And I'm of the opinion that the more difficult something is the more rewarding it should be.
It's not that tough to get consistent, and making your level 2 into a consistent full screen carry that gains you overdrive and effectively costs 1.2 to 1.3 super bars is really important to making the character competitive.
take a shot whenever they say "like"
honestly idk how they talk like that 8 times in one sentence to describe something hurts to listen to
As a sad Honda main, I am really happy that Bison arrives at the end of the month to complement my charge character line up
Man if you don’t find Honda to be a better character after the patch you aren’t a real Honda player. You just spam the two moves everyone hates.
Ed had the silliest reveal in the patch teaser video, he basically showed that he doesn't get punished for taking his turn with one button then does a nerfed backthrow into the corner
But at the same time I think Ed is actually in a good spot. There's someone on twitter who compiles matchup charts based on top 5000 players in ranked and their chart from this week shows Ed has the 2nd highest average winrate only behind ken. He does have a few bad matchups like sim but overall he seems to be performing he just isn't winning at the tournament level currently.
Brian_f just won a pretty big tournament with Ed. He has almost 0 representation on the biggest stage though.
I do not want them to change his reversal, it is intended to be like that as a balancing factor, it was the same way in V. In exchange the punishes you get on it aren't as potent and it has more forward movement than several other invincible reversals.
There were some Ed winning some events recently, think EndingWalker was one of them
@@Farside-sd8tjit was before the patch, isn't it ?
@@briquesbts nope. Post patch, I believe only Tachikawa finished 2nd at one tournament.
chun li aint deserve those random special move nerfs that made actually no damn sense
The jab scaling nerf and the drive reversal nerf are pretty whack. Mostly top tiers were abusing strong jabs, and that incidentally nerfs other characters with weaker jabs like Ed, Lily, Manon etc. Also, making Drive Reversal -6 means that if you don't have a 6 frame button you are resorting to a jab combo that gets scaled down. Shotos get the privilege of being jack of all trades and masters of everything again.
The damage scaling was nerfed on all lights from drive rush. Lower tier characters weren’t abusing this unlike deejay, Ken, chun. Combo damage does not get omega scaled off lights to punish reversal because it’s a punish counter. So the scaling doesn’t matter. Also zangief has the best drive reversal punish in the game. So shotos aren’t winning everything.
@@Pudge6929that’s why I don’t mash jab when I play Chun Li because I feel like jab is too broken. I try to play fair with her when I am online.
@@Pudge6929 The scaling for jabs went from 10% to 20% across the board. Akuma is insane and all the shotos are still very strong going into season 2. Shotos are killing it right now.
@@brianaragon1992 shotos are strong this season but in all fairness I can think of 4/5 character that aren’t shotos who are also super strong rn. Shotos in sf have generally always been pretty strong.
Ed came out okay tho, with the 2nd highest winrate above 1700MR after the patch.
imo, the biggest Dee Jay's L is the heavy back kick reaction change, that literally killed one of his most hard and fun combos to do when juggling with the knee
Honda getting buff off of target combos while being plus in your face? A new really good low crush? The changes to parry making strike/throw characters way better? Honda still chews drive gauge with headbutts and if you whiff a parry and get command grabbed you take like 30%
I'm not saying they did right by Ed this patch, but I don't think every character necessarily needs to get changes every patch. If a character is already fun, then what does it matter whether they receive changes or not?
My boy, Ed, was done so dirty by the universal changes. He's still fun, though.
Ed is considered by Japan to be high tier. Nemo thinks he is top 3. He is far far better than characters like Manon. Ed also has the 2nd highest winrate above 1700MR, below only Ken.
@@Aggrofool Can't speak for Japan's opinion, but high win rate doesn't always equal good.
Ed had one of the lowest play rates, this means poor MU knowledge compared to other characters, but more importantly this means that it's harder to get a good sample size, if a pool of a 1000 people exist, and we take 500 people from it, we probably get some top 500 players and some bottom 500 players. If we only take 50 players from the pool it will probably be average a higher or lower win rate. I mean, look at Guile, feels like he's on the opposite side of the coin.
My point is that it's too early to start bringing up win rates, reset is too recent people still need to figure the patch out, I'd wait for the 1800 mr list.
@@Aggrofool In Master, the game uses an Elo-style rating system and skill-based matchmaking. You can't really read anything into win rates.
Well, Ed is still just Ed because he was just released a few months ago. I feel that Ed shoiuld remain the way he is because it is very rewarding to win with a character that gets no handouts. He works or his wins and earns each one. That makes him fun to use, and also his high level execution makes him the most complex cgharacter in the game. So different from the crap he was in SFV.
Damn, these two weren't really informed on how bad they slammed Ed with the universal changes this patch. All the Ed mains in the comments though since he's in the thumbnail lol
Ed is considered by Japan to be high tier. Nemo thinks he is top 3. A few pros switched to him including Momochi, tier-ho Tachikawa and ChrisCCH with great success.
Ed also has the 2nd highest winrate above 1700MR, after the patch.
They're learning from Ken players to keep saying their character is bad when it's top tier lol
@Aggrofool Ed has always been a very good character but Ed mains wanna be like Ken or Ryu mains always trying to downplay an "hOnEsT" character.
@@Agent_A_Graham Meanwhile Ryu being at the bottom of all Winrate charts and getting clumped together with the top tiers lmao
@@Talking_Ed I meant in overall lifespan, and Ryu was not bottom tier for the majority of SF6.
Yoooo, tearz. While I did play 99 a lot on release (own a cdz), it was a not so great kof after the terrific 98.
Iori and Kyo themes slap though. So did the backgrounds, art, stages, and music in general.
The most aesthetically pleasing kofs play the worst for some reason (96, 99).
13 tho? What about 13?*
But yeah every time they try something new it becomes bad to play for a while… like 2003
*12 doesn’t exist
@malcovich_games what about 13? Best kof ever along with 98, that's what's about 13 😂.
But the art in 13 is atrocious. Not talking about character select or the sprites. The dialog art and endings art is hideous. So out of place compared to the rest of the game.
They should have used to artist that did the ex games and 2k2 um character art. Or the standard 13 artist from character select screen.
@@bigshorty4855 Oh right they have a different art style for its story mode lol... I almost forgot. But yeah this is when it looked better and the gameplay is great too.
Drive System is basically this game's nervous system because Drive Reversal will probably keep Bison from being broken (unsafe specials with Psycho Mines).
I think they will eventually resort to doing individual character tweaks but not anytime soon. They can't really keep this game balanced with how drastically different characters can play around Drive Meter.
Deejay is normal now. A good character. Was stupid before
I was laughing at everything Kizzie was complaining about that got nerfed, and im like THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT lmao. Mans was sad about brain dead low risk high reward options getting TONED DOWN to add more risk. Be mad if they took away the sway that he never had before. Deejay plays with risk and reward now. 🧠
I don't think I've ever heard the word "like" so many times in 20 minutes.
Its an equivalent of "uhm" dude. Its a default sound to help keep a thought going.
For my main Sim, they fixed drive reversal from 1 to 2 hits. The improved lvl 3 range. And of course the heavy round house combo. But honestly they didn't do my man no justice. I am currently Diamond 3, and I want to improve till I hit master. But I'll probably end up trying Blanka sooner than later.
Small clarification, they didn't increase the lvl 3 range, they made it cancel faster from yoga flame specifically, it's still posible to whiff yoga flame into lvl 3 and the drive riversal's first hit now knocks down so you can't get comboed if it tardes with a fire ball
As long as they keep buffing Ryu I’m happy😊
Akumas having 900 HP isn’t going to cut it in SF6 imo, just like in SFV they had to give him a 25 HP buff half through season 2 when he was released (2.5 patch). Getting a bit tired of seeing “Well Akuma has always had low health in SF”, when that’s not what people are implying when his health is too much of a disadvantage in SF6. No one’s saying he needs to have 1000 hp or that he never had low health, hp has been adjusted to better balance characters into the system mechanics of each SF game. It’s not like HP has stayed the same across every SF game.
The Chun nerfs weren't fair at all. Isn't like she was every slot in final 8 or something. Did they nerf Luke, Ken, or JP to the same degree and detail they nerfed Chun?
I still see Ed coming in second and causing havoc in tournaments… not jp havoc but he’s still hard to deal with if your dealing with a good Ed
Rather than nerf everyone's damage, they could just buff everyone's HP by a flat percentage, serve the same purpose, but feels rewarding rather than punishing.
Honda changes are much better. That pushback on his buttslam isn't anything special because most people at high level can easily avoid it.
Deejay is still really strong and fine despite what some might think. It sucks his damage got toned down (100% predicted this nerf was coming), a route or 2 is gone, and is easier to punish him, he still has:
Heavy Maximum Oki from anywhere on screen
Good damage (more fair this time)
Good neutral buttons
New routes are actually nice
SA1 being actually useful is a nice buff. Does it comensate all his nerfs? No, but is it a cool, nice buff to try to compensate for some nerfs? YES
I understand toning down deejays damage ( I think the 20% scaling on heavy punch was a bit harsh but oh well) but taking away combo routes was a bit much imo
@@KingJinzo2125 tbf about the combo route, it only used one move and it was mainly just to maximize damage output, and I didn't use it a lot. Losing it sucks, but it's not the end of the world. Every other combo he had, he still has. Plus you got new combo routes so it's not a huge loss imo
I’m late to this video and just wanted to say props for using Karin’s Alpha 3 theme !
Ed is the second best character according to a matchup chart of 1700+ players.
I’m upset they will beat on chun li like this, first time she where she’s supposed to be , her and Ryu but no no , wtf do capcom want?
All I heard was like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like ...
17:29 onwards is painful
Who ever is programming Sim must have been blown up by him in Alpha3 and still holds a grudge.
I think Cammy belongs on this list more than Chun or Ed. She got very little and lost a lot. Jabs are an important part of her kit and those got nerfed. She lost her niche as the anti-zoner rush down character with the spin knuckle nerf. She basically does does nothing great now and feels irrelevant compared to the other rushdown characters.
She has arguably the best corner carry now of all the rushdowns thanks to the target combo change. I'm still maining her and the spin knucke nerf isn't that bad if you do it as a read rather than a reaction. A lot of shotos still struggle to fight her, and even Akuma feels less threatening when I'm playing Cammy. I'm not feeling the nerf to jabs as much because I use cr.mp to whiff punish people. Jabs should just be your way to go into spiral arrow for knockdown and oki, they're not really your main source of damage.
She is still fine but she is kinda just an okay rushdown characters now. She lost her niche and all the rushdown charcaters basically do what she does but better. She is similar to season 1 Ryu he was fine but almost pointless compared to the others in his class.
@@lawnbb12372 She has more anti-airs than Rashid and Kimberly and better corner carry. She has better whiff-punish and poke buttons than all the other rushdowns and her level 3 super is still the best in the game since it can punish nearly anything from fullscreen. She has 3 different anti-air DPs that can anti-air from further away than most characters + spiral arrow is one of the best specials in the game with good corner carry and is safe on block if you space it right. She has the fastest divekick in the game and spin knuckle still works against zoners when done right.
She did get nerfed but she is still the best rushdown, as you can see from the character usage stats in MR and higher.
Akuma was nerfed before release. Gave his ass low health, and I could’ve sworn akumas teleport was supposed to be projectile proof.
Idk about the teleport but Akuma has always had low health that’s the trade off for having access to all of his toola
@@willhall7791 or what they could do is make his raging demon unavoidable .
It WAS projectile proof but they took that away since they gave him a command grab follow up. Take away the command grab if you want his teleport and raging demon to be good
That Aki new outfit looks like viper
Why do I feel like these guys are smoking crack or something? Chun is still very good. Some of the “top level” players need to come back to earth because whatever they’re smoking has them high as a kite.
Mandatory Deejay downplay :)
Commenting on every video requesting Makoto’s BBCF combo trials, video 110.
Give up
What specifically do you like about Makoto?
Yeah, unfortunately cant take this discussion very seriously.
Y'all didn't mention JP, and I can't take jmcrofts seriously when he speaks on Honda 😂 his video on Honda being braindead proved its own title wrong.
No matter how they nerf ED and how slow his move is, the real problem of him is his short arm
His range is good enough to destroy Marisas and all grapplers, as shown by his insanely lopsided winrate over them. See stats by Cat Cammy
NGL some of these picks are troll
No body talk about JP... Uhh because now he's garbage and you all are happy about it...😢😢😢😢
He is not.
I wouldn't say garbage, but he is absolutely middle/top-middle of the pack at best. They've nerfed pretty much every good part of his kit, which admittedly he deserved some solid nerfs after early S1, but i think they went a little overboard. Nerfed 5HP/2MP/2MK hurtboxes, 2HP invincibility removal made it so his anti air options are pretty shit, not only trading incredibly often but also having a weird blindspot where his 2HP doesnt reach, but his 6HK is too slow. Lv2 nerfs to the overall damage he gets, his accessibility to his old routes, as well as they changed the juggle points on it, so you no longer can do a double DI, or a DI into reset. Amnesia damage nerfs, portal damage nerfs, drive gauge pressure nerfs, nerfs to drive/SA gain during SA2, and yet mfs will STILL complain about him. It's actually wild.
Edit: Oh and 5HK, 2HK, 4MK, OD spike, SA1, SA3 oki and other nerfs surrounding SA2...
I bet you this Honda take ages poorly. He is a better character now. He has everything he needs to compete now. Is he a top tier now? No. But he is definitely out of the basement. We're going to see Hondas perform better in tournaments. Count on it.
Thanks 🎉
Another issue Chun Li has this patch is the fact it’s harder to drive rush after crouch medium kick. I swear I am dropping DR soo much after season 2 it’s insane. I feel she was fair in season 1 but season 2 they made her harder to play for sure.
Lol I know what you mean. You do a crouch kick to DR but she just stands there blue colour parry.
@@84jordie that or she just does nothing. It’s just way harder to drive rush combo with her this season. Like everyone else is doing these badass combos with other characters meanwhile Chun Li just pokes you repeatedly until you die because she can’t even drive rush anymore
Nah Chun Li is cooked. The damage nerfs are huge. She's mid now. Easily.
RIP Dee Jay, the upkicks change really is a heartbreaker. I do not want to hold those spaced -6 moves like Juri store or Jamie rekka, but now I have to? Fuck that shit, we Bipson mains in a week or two.
No word for jp , kinda weird
I legit stopped watching the video because of the agonizing amount of use of the word "like" from you guys.
That deejay downplay gave me brain rot. Please go back to guilty gear lmfao.
Ed was doomed from the start because he was designed to be a whiff punish character, in a game that’s so unga bunga that whiff punishing is no longer a valid strategy.
Watch punk play. It's all whiff punishing
@@Puntersnatch brother punk is a top 0.0001% player in the game and he plays cammy and akuma, it’s not just whiff punishing he also is able to start offense whenever he wants with those characters. Ed is nothing but whiff punishing, he can’t start offense, his defense is trash, has no plus frames, etc. yes punk does whiff punish a lot but not only does he play characters that get to do more than that he’s also not an average player
@@Puntersnatch Realistically 2% or less of players will experience anything Punk or pros actually go through or get to do in game. 98% of people will be experiencing a meta that's different because the mindset of players won't usually allow one to just imitate world tournament level play. So what Squidward was saying
@@Lucy2Juicy I would like to play footsies with my opponents, but if nobody wants to play footsies with me then I have to change my entire strategy, and Ed has no other viable strategies.
@@SquidwardProfilePic learn to anti air better and they'll have to play footsies
Idk all these ed players dont know what its like playing an actual low tier character lol. The character is a perma mashing, fireball throwing ,donkey which is why people play him
nah u jus suck.
:/ fuck my fav character
Ed is not weak.
Ed was top 5 before this patch
Kizzy was struggling to get a word out the whole vid, bro needs a script. Borderline unwatchable.
He said "like" so many times. He definitely could use some public speaking classes or a script. He's super knowledgeable though.
I personally think that nerfing characters is for lazy people who don’t want to lab
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