Best Cabinet Paint Command vs. Gallery
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- Best Cabinet Paint Command vs. Gallery. In this video we will see which product is the best cabinet paint. This head to head will feature Ben Moore Command vs. Sherwin Williams Gallery. We will discuss coverage over red bondo on both colors in white and discuss coverage of both colors in Navy Blue / clear base. Which cabinet paint has the best dry time? Which cabinet paint has the quickest recoat time? Which cabinet paint is KCMA certified? Does it matter? How does the scratch resistance compare to? Which cabinet pant has the best chemical resistance? We’ll stick around to find out who has the best 1k cabinet paint between Sherwin Williams Gallery or Benjamin Moore Command!
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00:00 Introduction
03:47 Prepping and painting samples
04:20 After 72 hr dry time
04:48 Dry Time for both products
05:47 Re-Coat time
06:19 Price difference
06:51 Are they both KCMA Certified?
08:35 Which one covers better?
11:57 Scratch Testing
14:31 Chemical Testing
16:00 My Final thoughts / which one is better? - Zábava
Awesome video, not a lot of painters doing CZcams videos of this quality. Keep it up, you’ve got a subscribe from me. 💪
Thank you my friend! 💪
I tried Gallery for the first time a couple weeks ago on a cabinet job. I really liked how fast and hard it dried. I was worried about runs on the cabinet body as I heard it was on the thin side, but really had no issues, one small run on the first coat. What I did notice like you said in the video is that two coats often didn't hide the red bondo. If you put it on too thick the finish will crackle, so I think in the future I will plan on priming, bondo, 2nd prime coat and then 2 finish coats.
Yes definitely best to prime before and after bondo 👌🏻otherwise 3 topcoats required with extra white. If it’s an off white or creamy color coverage is much better
Thanks for taking the time to produce this. I’m doing my first cabinet job with the gallery product. I have shot a few test pieces and found the scratch resistance to be excellent.
You’re going to love it! It’s a fantastic product 💪
This is very insightful !! It'll help me to make good decisions in the future. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 🤘😎🤘
Wow! I liked watching the scratch test.
Yay thanks for watching 🤘😊🤘
Sweet test man! Been wanting to test these head to head myself. We've been using Command for awhile. Our SW can't seem to keep enough Gallery in stock for a full cabinet refinishing project. Liked and subscribed
Thank you 🙏 Yes it’s been a struggle finding deep base but seems to be more white base floating around now. I appreciate the sub and I follow you on FB and Instagram
great video, im getting ready to do kitchen cabinets i think im going with the command, seemed to get great reviews everywhere. great review.
Thanks for watching 💪
I've been using Scuff-X with great results!
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Gallery series is better imo. To me, scratch resistance is huge on cabs. 5 dollars more, and then having to tint primer for coverage over bondo etc. That command scuffed with just a credit card!
Yes great point scratch and chemical resistance is very important! However I would be interested in scratching the command again after 1 month as it’s a water based urethane alkyd and anything “alkyd” with oil resins will take forever to harden. Either way when cabinet painting we don’t have a month for things to cure/harden making Gallery the better of the two 💪
Great helpful video 👍
Thanks for watching 💪
Nice testing bro! I am doing similar tests with wall paints at my shop right now. I would be interested to know how both do for an oil exposure test like crisco or olive oil- emerald urethane failed badly compared to Ben Moore products- cabinet coat, advance and command in some testing done by Klappenberger & sons. Also a mustard stain test on the white samples will show which is more stain resistant and washable. Also let's see which one touches up better with a brush/roller. Film those 3 tests for a part 2 video please! Keep up the good work!
Great idea I’ve got the samples and am definitely interested myself!
Thank you
No problem my friend 🤘😎🤘
I never take a chance when doing cabinets.. ALWAYS prime with zinzer oil base primer. And use a paint with urethane in it. I use EMERALD SEMI- GLOSS WITH URETHANE. It sprays on like butter. Beautiful finish.
Oil is always a full proof choice if you and your customers don’t mind the smell. However Gallery is a better product for cabinets in many categories. Better scratch resistance, better chemical resistance and faster dry/ cure time.
Why are you still using Emerald when we have Gallery now?
Been spraying lacquers for about 24 years. Gallery series changed everything . That’s all I’m using . Waterborne lacquer
It’s definitely nice to quit spraying solvents. I’ve lost some brain power from it, I’m sure of it 🤣
Is the Gallery series waterborne lacquer 1k or 2k?
@@noelle1314 2k
@@noelle1314 good stuff . Just prime with shellac and you’ll be good .
@@noelle1314 also tiny the primer to color that’s desire and you’ll have no problem
Thanks for this video! Im looking at switching to gallery, command is finicky and dries with microfoam stuck in the finish. I usually spray doors with graco hvlp and roll/brush shells. How does gallery do with brush and roller?
No problem! It’s not as good as Sirca or milesi brushing and rolling but it’s definitely doable if you put it on quick. We use a 1/4 or 3/8 nap microfiber for best results
I got some gallery to test for some cabinets I have to paint, but on the test piece I did, it looks good, but it doesn't seem so dorable. I did the credit card test and it scratches pretty easy, and when I try to clean the surface with a magic eraser it dulls the paint and lightly removes some of it. The paint color was tricon black, and I used shellac white BIN primer on it. I did 2 coats primer (sand in between) and 2 coats paint. What do you suggest I should do differently to have better results? I have using my quickshot with a 310 tip (not water down paint or anything, just using it as is).
We waited 72 hours before testing and probably should wait 21 days on dark colors before fully cured. If you over apply the product especially with dark colors it can take up to 30 days. My test was done 72 hours after application and I applied 2 light even coats over raw MDF which probably helped absorb the product and cure over time. If your applying over lacquered oak or Maple that will slow down full cure as well
Wow gallery seems like a tough product for a 1K paint. I used it for the first time two days ago and I’m super impressed over Benjamin Moore advance. I have six years experience with advance and may be 50 projects and I will be using gallery after using it just one time on cabinets.
What about using the sayerlac crosslinker with gallery to make a 2K. SW should still carry it in their catalog.
It definitely speeds up the process switching from advance and I agree great product! Ithe crosdlinker is coming soon along with a matching primer I’m told just not sure when. You can get the crosslinker through your sw rep but not a lot around locally
Yeah, that Sherwin Williams gallery series suggest a 3 coat application.
Yes we’ve been doing 3 with white colors or you can do two coats of primer with red bondo in between coats
I use Centurion 1k and Eclipse Evo!
Evo is a fantastic product with a wonderful matching primer. And the centurion primer worked great however we had issues with the centurion topcoat both 1k and 2k and I will never use it again too many good products to fiddle with that finicky topcoat.
Iv been using gallery for a year now. It’s the best paint I have used in 9 years. It drys fast (around 20 minutes depending on the environment. Sometimes sooner.)It’s thick. Sprays nicely in my Graco gx 19 with a 210 ff tip. Also sprays nicely in my Graco 9.5 finish pro with a #2 tip/needle. There’s a weird thing or 2 I don’t like about Gallery. If you leave gallery in your sprayer over night and use it the next day, it sprays weird and have a different texture. Pitting. So now I clean my guns out the same day. Gallery is about $130 a gallon. I get it for 94$ from Sherwin.
Definitely dries up quickly in your pump so cleaning daily is absolutely a must 👌🏻
Great video, very informative! I am about to paint my kitchen and have a few questions. I am gonna buy the quickshot to paint the kitchen but have no idea about how much sqft do you get to spray with the Quickshot everytime you fill it up, while utilizing the FFLP tip? Usually I roll paint the cabinets, so need to estimate how much paint I need accurately. Thanks for your help! ps. Planning on using the gallery series
Thank you for the feedback! The quart cup will get you through 10-12 doors per coat. So for two coats you can roughly paint 20-24 doors with one gallon. Most kitchens take 1-2 gallons of primer and 2-3 gallons of paint to complete
@mallerpaintingcompany5126 how well does this paint take on calk? And which one would you recommend so it's seamless
Both products will stick to caulk just fine. If you want to paint over it quickly you will need a fast dry like 1050QD otherwise it will leave a hairline crack if you don’t allow the caulking to fully dry. If you have time to let the caulking dry from Sherwin you could use 950A or Shermax from Ben Moore I like the Tower Tech or Allpro Elastomeric caulking. The slower drying products will tool much better but they are 1-2 hour dry time before painting
@mallerpaintingcompany5126 Oh wow awesome! I have no immediate rush on it drying fast. I can calk it and paint it a day or two later. So I will try those slow drying options. Thanks!
No prob!
Please compare the gallery to a 2k paint. SW claims gallery is the same quality. Really like to use the local available any time paint vs ordering. Thanks.
I saw a great comparison on You Tube of Gallery vs Renner it’s 40 minutes long. Also Gallery can be catalyzed with the Sayerlack hardener making it of the same quality.
I wonder how would PPG Breakthrough would fare in this test..
I would love to do a breakthrough test maybe vs Scuffx. I know a lot of guys use these products that aren’t traditional cabinet coatings but work well enough
Did you have to add water to get better spray flow or use the paint directly from the cans?
No thinning necessarily with either product. Both spray great from can
What tip size did you use on the quickshot?
310 fflp
Gallery for the W!
Yes 🙌🏻
Was the gallery in the navy a clear or deep base?
Yes both were clear base tinted to SW Naval.
Is gallery just a rebrand of kema aqua plus? used that before one one kitchen and worked amazing with my 3 stage hvlp
It’s actually a rebrand of the old Sayerlack and can be catalyzed with Sayerlack hardener so I’ve heard
No. It’s not close to Kem Aqua plus. Gallery kills Kem Aqua plus. Kem Aqua is shit. I used it for 3 years…. I really really hope the people that I used Kem Aqua plus on never call me back when it goes to shit.
What primer do you recommend?
Shellac primer is really good cover stain for bleed marks
BIN shellac or XIM urethane modifier primer work great.
Have you tried the evo eclipse? How does it compare to gallery?
Yes weve used a lot of Evo it’s a fantastic product with a fantastic matching primer. If I could still source it locally we’d probably still use it. I think they are pretty comparable as far as user ability and durability however we’re getting Gallery cheaper and can purchase locally with ease.
@@mallerpaintingcompany my gallery price is $125 and evo is $85. Evo can be 2k option.
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What primer we can use on the gallery paint?
Pretty sure the data sheet says SW extreme block primer. Sherwin White shellac is better for woods with tannins. Renner coatings and Gemini Evo make fantastic waterborne primers that we’ve been using as a sealer with great success aswell
@@mallerpaintingcompany thanks
I tried gallery last week on a large set of repaint kitchen cabinets. Gallery says its self sealing; No need for primer. But it fish eyed a lot. It took 4 coats. Next time, we will be using primer. We used oil primer for 200 cabinet sets. Ohio outawed oil primer. Now we will be using Extreme block by SW. Or shellac. What primer dyall like?
Yes it’s always best to prime! Our rep started by telling us no primer needed. But a month or so later he retracted and told us we better prime lol. Waterbased we use the Sherwood Gen 2 universal primer, Gemini Evo Primer sometimes extreme block. Also Renner has the best waterbased primer out in my opinion but still can’t get locally. Solvent based primer we use shellac or easy sands but try and use as little as possible or as needed for tannins.
Love the way the extreme block sands down
BIN it to win it! No other primer even comes close, I've tried many, keep going back to old faithful BIN.
unfortunately BOTH orange peeled a bit due to fast drying time I guess ...... durability is very important , but Emerald levels out much better .... I wonder how IT would compare ...... as for Advance , forget about it , might as well use oil if you're going to mess with that stuff
The orange peel you are seeing is from the cheap MDF grain raise a scuff sand between coats would have eliminated that. But either way emerald does level better as it’s a slow dry which should be a no brainer.
@@mallerpaintingcompany MDF "grain raise" doesn't "orange peel" , it "roughens like sandpaper when grain is raised , gets fuzzy" , there's a difference .....That orange peel is NOT from "MDF raised Grain" it's the paint not leveling well ....... no-brainer
What tip size are you using to spray gallery series?
Use a 308 works very well
310 fflp is my favorite tip for cabinet doors
i hate command and love it. sometimes it works amazing other times its a hot mess. for some odd reason its the only paint they causes micro bubbles even when brushing these mini bubbles form and because it dries so damn fast they pop and leave behind bubble rings. ive tried many didnt thing and idk what causes it but ill never use it again. shake the can and watch all the bubbles form. it could be a humidity thing here in jersey but its happened in warm and cold
Yes I do believe that is a humidity issue. We’ve had the same issue with centurion several times
Same. The microbubbles are a total job killer. I've used command exclusively for about 3 years. Spraying with graco 9.5 hvlp in negative pressure clean room. Sometimes minimal bubbling, sometimes dries like there's sand in the paint. Also have used titan 540 with 312 tip, not as many bubbles but still there. Command also cracks over caulk no matter how many days it's dried. I'm wondering if gallery also has microfoam/bubble problems?
I've had micro bubbles only rolling with Command, usually only in white, 1x and 2x bases. I always use a 410fflp tip out of my airless for Command. No cracking over fast dry caulking like top gun 250, 1050qd or quick2coat. When rolling I use cabinet coat with some extender, no bubbles ever.
What primer is compatible with Command? I heard you shouldnt use water based primer on Mdf?
Cover coat or BIN will work great
You can’t see anything with your light reflecting off of it
I have a paint stick with command on it , will not mar using my fingernail or a credit card , ZERO marring , BUT , this paint stick sample is a year old !!!! ..... The problem with these tests sometimes is some of these paints require a long time to fully cure and harden , I'm talking a month ...... "24 hours" ain't gonna cut it , so I can see the SW certainly did better immediately , but try it again in a month and see what happens ..... they say "two weeks" , but in my opinion these kinds of paints just keep hardening and it will even be more durable in a month or a year ...... I've had these paint stick samples for a long time , every time I check them they seem harder and "stuck better" , I have a sample of Breakthrough on a damn ceramic tile you cannot scratch off !!!!!! no joke
You are correct anything with oil resins will take longer to harden. But the data sheet says cured in 72 hours on command and I waited 72 hours to compare. However that’s without colorant we all know adding colorant extends the cure time so I would think the white should have not scratched after 3 days? But your right probably would have performed better in scratch test after 1 month but when painting cabinets waiting a month for full cure is a disadvantage in my opinion
@@mallerpaintingcompany I understand , try putting samples on paint sticks , and just store them away , you will find they get even harder after "72 hours" , I know it sounds strange and maybe this is all just my imagination , but seems like every time I mess with those sticks , and I have a ton of samples , they seem to be harder and harder ...... The Breakthrough sample is like a damn rock !!!! lol but I put that one on kinda thick too .... I think Command is similar to Breakthrough (from what I understand)
@@mallerpaintingcompany and yes I understand no one wants to wait months , but there is durability there after 24 48 72 hours , I'm just saying it gets even MORE durable after a month , two months , six months ..... but it's durable ENOUGH after a few days
This test is EXTREMELY flawed. Comparing solids between a paint and a spray only cabinet finish is hilarious. Sanding them both between coats at 45 minutes would show the Gallery producing a factory finish. Also flipping them after an hour or so would show huge advantage to the Gallery. I could go on and on. Price goes to Gallery when you see how much time that saves.
To your first point I’m comparing both brands best quick dry product in a head to head as these are both paint companies best product for producing a set of cabinets in my opinion. Yes the Gallery is a water based acrylic lacquer and command is a waterbased urethane alkyd however BM doesn’t have any other options to compare. Second point - Sanding between coats would show them both have a factory finish.3rd we hang and spray both side at once but you are correct if you were to spray one side at a time Gallery would have the advantage if it covers in 2 coats the command covers much better and would argue it might go quicker only needing 2 coats per Gallery’s 3 coats as gallery does not cover as well 4. Price per “gallon” goes to BM command. There are flawes in every test this was just my test and what I was interested in seeing.
C2 paint/primer is the best, bar none
What is C2 paint?
C2 Paint?
The c2 paint that fails miserably in all my own tests and on Klappenbergers youtube channel, even as a 2k it cant hang with command, advance and cabinet coat. And emerald urethane washes off the samples like its chb. 😂