Having an Asian Face in China
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Are you considering moving to China? Are you an Asian person that was born abroad? Asian Americans/Asians born anywhere else have a distinct advantage. They can blend in in China. After 1 million "hellos" and being told that foreigners can't film here or there, it's a nice benefit. However, at least in the ESL scene, it is a disadvantage. Chinese people prefer their English teachers to look white. Having white skin gives you a big advantage in the education sphere. Here's why.
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I've been back to the US from my visit to China for 10 days now and have had a chance to reflect a little on my visit. I love China (and Taiwan). I'm already looking forward to going back soon. I was in China for 3 weeks and almost exclusively in Shenzhen. I visited northern China several years ago but spoke zero Mandarin at that time. I've studied it for 5+ years now. As a Chinese-American, I want and will continue to improve my Mandarin (which is not my native Chinese dialect) because, quite frankly, it makes me relate to my Chinese roots more and I enjoy it. And as I continue to improve my Mandarin to the point where I am reasonably fluent, I will go back to China, but I know that my American upbringing will always be the basis for comparison.
Unless I was an ABC (American Born Chinese) from Manhattan, New York which is similar in noise and traffic to Winston's town of Shenzhen, I'd have a tough time living in China's cities much like Chinese farmers have had a tough time moving into the cities. The poor rural farm areas and the wealthier urban cities are both definitive China, but the lifestyles are vastly different. I found that I'm not a farm or downtown urban guy. I'm a suburb guy and there is the difference. 1st tier cities like Shenzhen are NOISY and CROWDED all day and night. I can't hang with it full time. China seemed to be either poor rural farms or fast and crowded cities...little in between. I'm sure there are suburbs in China, I just didn't get a chance to visit one.
But the hardest thing for me to deal with was the pollution. It reminded of the Stage 1 smog alerts I grew up with in the 70's in Los Angeles. During the smoggy summers, you couldn't see the local mountains nor the downtown skyscrapers and school kids couldn't play outdoors. I see that pollution problem now in China but worse. I coughed and hacked up a storm during my entire China trip. It wasn't just me...I noticed many locals coughing. Messing with my health is a problem. So, I'll be back in the future to see more of China with my ever improving Chinese, but I just can't see living there full time. Simplistically, it's just a quiet, clean air suburb thing.
So I embrace my Chinese heritage and at the same time, I love my American upbringing. Why can't I love both? Do I care if I'm not China-Chinese? Not really. Didn't have a choice, so it doesn't matter. So I'm both Chinese and American. It just is.
China might be your ancestral home but we're proud to have you in the States!
Great read Gary, the serpentZA videos featuring you were very interesting as well!
Well said Gary. I've travelled to over 30 countries and the big thing that I've noticed during my travels is, how people define who they are. Quite frankly, cultures developed because of provincialism i.e. lack of travel for hundreds of years. Some of this culture is great, e.g. music, art, architecture, food but the other side isn't. Racism etc.
People of any culture shouldn't think they NEED to blindly follow a cultural doctrine.
I don't think anybody should cling onto these cultures because they happen to share a skin colour or racial background, they should show interest because certain parts of that culture appeals to them. Embrace the good parts, and reject the bad. Look to other cultures to see what appeals to your sensibilities and embrace them.
I have 2 racially mixed children. We are teaching them about all of the good things about every culture. They are learning cantonese. But when the elders of the family start talking about superstitious BS you better believe I shoot that down faster than you can say adv China.
C milk, you will end up thinking about all of these issues as you bring up your little cutie.
Gary if you worry about air conditions I can tell you some places in China that have much cleaner air: No 1, Zhuhai, a city near the north of Macau, just a bay across Shenzhen, beautiful seashores and blue skies; No 2, Xiamen, an island city and a great tourist attraction, very close to Taiwan, No 3, Haikou on the Hainan island, basically its the Florida of China. These places are considered the most ideal places to live in China, and they are all very well developed. Just remebmber China is not just Shenzhen and rural areas, there are many uprising new cities that are much less crowded, I think you can find your ideal suburb place in one of them.
Hi Gary, Welcome back. I'm being in china for 30 years I see this is fastest changes in the world in human history which i can't catch up,so I hope you will come back you will see different.
I'm second generation American born Chinese. I went to Beijing to explore my roots and felt exactly this way. I then left for Taiwan and definitely don't regret the move.
When I was living in Harbin I had a friend who was born and raised in the US by Asian parents, he lived his whole life there. He also was qualified to teach English in the US. I recommended him to a school because he was looking for a teaching position. He told me that when he went in for the interview they took one look at him and said sorry, we can't hire you because you look too Asian. Even though he was clearly qualified for the job. I found out later they ended up choosing a Russian girl who could barely speak English. It's sad that this happens, but it's apparently quite common.
Funny thing is that Russians are also Asian (well, to be technical, those in the Eastern part of Russia).
Sad but true. "Image is everything!". My Caucasian Australian wife taught English in China about 15 years ago and experienced the same problems with students who had learnt to speak very poor and heavily accented English from poorly qualified teachers.
Shrapnel82
What the Russians did to Siberia and the people living in it before them... while maybe not as bad (big maybe).. is similar to what Americans did to the West and the people living there before them.
You would not call Caucasian Americans, Native Americans?
Raising Shanghai
I used to work as an English teacher in South Korea. Same thing in South Korea.
I talked about this with some of my bosses there. They ran schools to teach children English. It was the parents that paid for the tuition and wanted their children to learn English. Yet almost always the parents spoke no English so were in no position to test the English teachers. All they had to go on was appearances. That is why a Russian who speaks broken English is more marketable than an American born Chinese person or an American born Korean person.
Yes.. it is messed up... but sadly sort of understandable.
DavidRsaid
Before now I had not heard of Kennwich Man. So I looked him up on wikipedia and this is what I found :
In June 2015, scientists at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark determined through DNA from 8,500‑year-old bones that Kennewick Man is, in fact, related to modern Native Americans, including the Colville from the region in which his bones were found.[9] The international team of scientists had confirmed that finding to the Army Corps of Engineers in 2013.[9]
Chatters, the discoverer of the bones, had long changed his conclusions after finding similar skull shapes among confirmed ancestors of Native Americans.[9] The results did not surprise scientists who study the genetics of ancient people, as almost all Paleoamericans "have shown strong genetic ties with modern Native Americans."[9] Analysis showed that Kennewick Man is “very closely related to the Colville" tribe in northeast Washington.[10] The results were published in Nature magazine.[11]
Thanks so much for making this video, guys! I'm a Korean adoptee who's lived her whole life in the States. I went to the Qinghai province to study Chinese for a semester, and DUDE! It was the wildest experience. I pretty much experienced everything you talked about. It was difficult for me to make Chinese friends there because most of them just could not understand anything about who I am, haha. They either didn't believe I was American, didn't believe I wasn't Chinese, or just plain in awe of what I am (literally had many people stare at me with mouths open when they heard my English/terrible Chinese. Granted, I was in a more undeveloped place in China - but yeah. Real struggle!
It wasn't a bad experience though. I met my now fiancé, made great friends, and plan to go back and work this year. So for Asian foreigners, definitely go, but know your experience will be different from your non-Asian friends.
TBH, China has really huge cultural and wealth gaps among different regions, they almost like different countries, Qinghai is probably like Mississippi of the US when it comes to the awareness of outside world.
Went to China two summers ago. Got food poisioning after the first week. I've never craved for american food soooo much in my life. I'm american chinese. Also, the waitresses looked at my as if I'm crazy whenever I order cold water....fun times....I've realized I'm as American as it can be that summer.
And great video guys! keep it up!
Jack Lin are you sure you didn't get sick from drinking the tap water? That will get you sick big time
@ luke skywalker
You got it half-right. What you should have said is: "America is increasingly becoming a place where everyone is a minority." In the very near future, there literally will not be a "majority" anymore. No one group will hold 51% or more of the total population.
EDIT: Except women, who always were and always will be more than half the population because women live 6 years longer than men, on average. Women also earn a lot more college degrees than men in all recent years, and the trends are accelerating over time, not decreasing. Many publications have talked about the "crisis in America's boys", and it remains to be seen what comes of that. Among older generations, conventional wisdom was that men would have more lifetime earning power than women, but a lot of that is based on things that don't apply anymore, like a large base of manufacturing and other traditional, blue-collar jobs that were dominantly held by men, much of which simply don't exist anymore.
@@StochasticUniverse Affirmative action benefits White women, so there you have it.
BenjiAlex and the ice cubes even in ice teas.
Tyrion Lannister: "Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you."
its a game of thrones reference
+Ray King, about "don't forget to tie your sneakers before you go out" I am with you, laughed and said wtf did I just read. An was never said in game of thrones either.
did that help the 40+ million Chinese killed by the CCP?
ahhh fragile wumao, cry me some more running dog tears :D
Greg Ward
Actually it was said in the very first season -- might be the first episode, even. It's when Tyrion is first meeting John Snow at Winterfell and continually calls him a bastard, which pisses off Snow, until Tyrion explains himself with the above quote.
As an Asian-American, I practically went through the same situation in China where schools turned me down because I looked “Chinese”. There was this one time a school said they were interested in hiring me but I would have to be hired as a Chinese local (meaning I wouldn’t get the foreign teachers package). Of course I said no. Luckily I was able to find a job through a good friend at his school (he was French). After some years, I also climbed up the ladder and became supervisor for the foreign teachers. We did get many strange foreigners from strange parts of the world but luckily, I was able to weed out the very poor ones that were going cause trouble. Still, our school had preference for non-Asian looking foreign teachers because the parents expected white teachers. Funny thing, our boss himself was Hong Kong Chinese! As for being Asian-American in China, I majored Chinese in university have been living in China for more than 10 years and the experience can be explained as a double edge sword where there are benefits and disadvantages. When my wife and I were dating, we didn’t stand out because we looked like an ordinary Chinese couple though people would stare at us in confusion when we’d speak in English. Also, I feel that as an Asian-American or Asian person for that matter in China, you’re expected “to know” Chinese and know it “fluently”. I’ve seen this happen with my international friends who were from S. Korea, Laos, Thailand etc. Since I majored in Chinese in university, my Chinese definitely improved a lot in these 10 years because I was expected by the locals to understand Chinese like a native speaker would. This would include fast speech, chengyus, local slangs, hand written documents etc. It can be frustrating sometimes. One thing that I’ll say is that as an Asian-American, I can say that Chinese people treat each other like crap. In most cases where the locals know that you’re a foreigner, they will more often treat you better but it’s either hit or miss. For me, language wasn’t what frustrated me but more the treatment by others. Being polite and honest is not a priority for many people here and it can drain you if you don’t know how to brush it off. Anyway, this video was awesome guys! Definitely keep it up!
+Meng Vang thank you for the genuine insight and fantastic comment, we'll keep making them as long as you keep watching them
Meng X “being polite honest respectful is not at top priority in this country ...” so true
Meng X - I think your last comment should be printed on any traveller's handbook to people who are travelling to China. It would help keep many aware about that cultural fact and people won't be disappointed.
As white native north African. If i was about to teach in somewhere in Africa i would 100 percent Bé hired then white European.
I'm Chinese American and studied in China for 5 months. One of the hardest parts for me was that I was seen as 100% Chinese even though I was adopted from China and raised by a white family, but I was able to get it over it eventually and still love China even though I knew it was against me in the sense of teaching English. From the first month, I quickly realized I couldn't teach English in a classroom like they wouldn't call me back or anything. Like I emailed or called them back, but no response. The international office was on good terms with the police which is why we were able to get classroom jobs teaching a couple times a week. With my American friend, he got a response right away from them. So, I did private tutoring, but the first kids I tutored the parents asked many times in one conversation whether I was really American. That job didn't work out, but I was able to get another one. Still, I only had 1 while my friends had 3 or 4.I think I was looking for something since I was adopted and don't know anything about my birth, but I also wasn't at the same time like if it happened it happened. So what China gave me wasn't a disappointment because there weren't any expectations and I was open to anything happening.
+Beautiful Joy
Your written English is terrible. You may have to edit it a few more times.
I agree she needs to take the TOEFL classes for 6 months.
+Hua Zhou
Even being native speaker does not guarantee that you are good at English. The run-on sentences are so obvious.
Ray King:
1) Spoken English vs car accidents --- It is a poor comparison.
2) English instead of english please.
3) mainland China instead of Main-land China please.
4) Where did I say that native speakers were not good as teachers? You lost my point, poor performance on reading comprehension.
+Greg Ward
Sure, it is wrong to exclude somebody as an English teacher just because of the Asian face. It is also wrong to feel entitled to have a job as an English teacher just by being a native speaker. Additionally, I am uncomfortable to have a teacher who uses expletives, even if that individual is highly qualify to teach the subject.
This is crazy. My wife just talked to me about wanting me to move to China an find a job an hour ago, and I see you put this video up here today. I told her basically what you said that having an asian face is not going to pay well teaching English.
This is completely similar to Japan, you've got a white face you've got a teaching job, you don't if your Asian including ethnic Japanese that speak English as a first language. The restaurant thing, exactly the same in Japan, they will always go to the Asian person even if they don't speak the language, a white person say's hello in Japanese, wow your Japanese is great, you say it as an Japanese-American,...what's wrong with your Japanese is the response.
Only difference is unlike Chinese recognising Chinese from around the world as Chinese even many gen later, the Japanese won't, even if you're Japanese born and lived there but your formative years were spend abroad, you are a Nikkeijin to them, not a Japanese, it's as good as a foreigner.
It was the same in Tokyo 30 years ago, in a country where there is like 99% literacy an Asian faced foreigner would have a difficult time finding a teaching job with companies saying they are looking for an American or British person to an American with a degree from an American university.
I always like that you both say how it is, rather than embellish things. Also love the theme song.
Anyone got a link to that song?
I remember U, by Cartoon, it is on CZcams, Soundcloud and iTunes.
Love the triggered sensibilities in the comments too.
Well, the fact that Chinese schools choose a Russian over a native English speaker is miserable. I understand that mostly Russians speak English with accent, but so do Germans, Italians, whoever. By the way, I'm a Russian, I speak decent English and understand every single word you say on your videos.
This is very true. But if you look Chinese and want to teach English I'd suggest you avoid kindergartens and go straight to test-oriented training centers like ielts or tofel training places, they're more result oriented there and pays pretty good though you need to be able to speak some Chinese.
By "training centers" do you mean like cram schools (補習班）? And for those places that you mentioned would they require any certification or specific degrees to apply? Or is just being a native English speaker sufficient?
You guys nailed it once again - I experienced very similar experience like the guy whose family from Baotou, Inner Mongolia - my values were at odds with most Chinese I met in Beijing, Ningxia and Xinjiang when I was there.
Perception IS REALITY in CHINA.
As a Mauritian born and bred overseas Chinese who went to China to study Mandarin from scratch and do my bachelor degree (Chinese taught), I can confirm that everything you guys said was perfectly on point. I've been through it all. At first, I've been mistaken for a Chinese village girl who doesn't even understand Mandarin. After my Chinese improved, I was always mistaken for the translator. It motivated me to learn Chinese better and right now I've got HSK 6 and speak so fluently (with lots of catchwords and internet slang) that Chinese people actually don't believe me when I tell them I'm Mauritian. At least Chinese people know about ABCs but they can't imagine that there are quite a few ethnic Chinese people in Africa too. Anyway, Asians will certainly get into funny situations in China and feel like having a hard time but it's still worth it all. My journey in China has been amazing and I've learned so much about my roots and about Chinese people. Kudos for the video :)
How does your tongue in cheek humor go over in China with Chinese? Perhaps a video on humor in China is in order?
Chinese comedy is just mostly puns and shitty slapstick
This is true whether in the mainland, HK or Taiwan
+ 壹貳 Like Japanese ?
I'm not familiar with Japanese comedy
壹貳 Do they like the Three Stooges?
I think there are a couple episodes addressing glass-heart phenomenon and they've both directly addressed the Chinese audience. Like 壹貳 says below, Chinese humor is pretty bad, shitty slapstick, puns, not much consideration for the abstract, surreal or tongue-in-cheek.
I really get a kick when seeing both of you sing along to that wonderful song. My family loves each of your channels. You guys rock!!!
I'm Chinese American and this video is 100% accurate. Chinese people think of us as one of them and it can be a big disadvantage when you're trying to find English teaching jobs or in social situations if you can't speak Chinese. When I tell Chinese people that I'm American, a lot of them say something similar to "but you're not white". However, we ABCs also feel more accepted in daily life and we can blend in. It's kinda helpful when you're traveling and don't want to be bothered by people haha. We don't get the stares that other foreigners receive, so it is an interesting situation. Cmilk is right about the Asian American situation back home also. Many polls often leave out the Asian demographic, so we feel ignored, although it is getting better nowadays
In an economics class I had in university a fat old white woman was berating how dead white men created america and how they must be stopped. She told the class about how much more the average White American earns than a Black or Hispanic person as she showed a graph and said it was due to institutional racism and oppression. One student asked "Why aren't Asian Americans on the graph, don't they make more than most White Americans?" She stopped for a good 20 seconds and said that Asians are also benefactors of white racism. Nobody said anything as she slowly transitioned back to actual economics.
I have 5 nephews and, although I'm helping save for their university education, I suspect they won't need it. The university systems are becoming insane asylums for indoctrination. My nephews (and eventually my own children) might be better served picking up a trade or going into business, rather than aiming for a bachelors.
RunaroundStar Ah yeah, she doesn't quite understand the situation. It's mostly selectivity that's the cause of the immense disparity.
Chinese Americans that moved to the US between around the 60s to ~90s are almost always post-graduate students who were at least the top 1% of their classes. That cohort also constitutes a majority of all Asian Americans. Even today, a lot of the Chinese immigrants are at least affluent if they aren't smart. It was only before the Chinese Exclusion Act (pre-1880s) that you ever saw a large influx of labor-class Chinese people.
One key thing to note: No Asian will ever look at Universities and go "eh, it's just for fools to be indoctrinated, you don't need it." Asian success goes hand in hand with Asian education values. So sure, you can turn your nose at the idea of RadFems ruining the next generation of students, but you'll never make up for the lost knowledge and opportunities by avoiding higher education.
yes right.
american is american always.
Why does the Asian demographic or for that matter any other demographic matter? What significance does it have in anyone's life other than an irrational made up one? No one should care about that insignificant trait.
I am Russian with terrible English, how do I find a perfect job in China? =)
+yinstube lol
Yaroslav Fedorenko Learn a little Mandarin jajaja
I AM LAUGHING SO HARD RIGHT NOW XDDDD
If your English was terrible you would't write that sentence so accuratley
Look up "Chippendales" equivalent in China. The more "terrible" your body-English, the better.
From a native chinese now living in Canada, hat off to you two, Winston and Cmilk! very gripping content/topic, great insight and the no sugar-coating!
long store short. I have a friend. he is Asian & white. he raised in the US. he went to a teaching interview (in China) . sadly they didn't hire him. because they thought he doesn't "look like an foreigner". I was so surprised.
As an Indonesian born Chinese with apparently so-Chinese face, I can relate most of the topics. Now studying in Hong Kong, and 98% of the times people always assume me as a local guy or from Mainland China, speaking to me in Cantonese or Mandarin despite I can't speak both.
I have yet gone to Mainland to my ancestral land, maybe sometimes in the future, but it is an interesting thing to know that many foreign born chinese also has same problems
Serpentza = Agent 47
MayorMacDeath , lol do you actually believe the in the shit you just typed? I think if you really do believe that , you wouldn't be watching these two guys videos, they are pretty much about promoting differences
jesus tyler... i recommend you some anger management therapy sessions lmao
I guess in the process of going bald and wearing a suit is enough. Watch out, balding guy with suit, he might take you out.
@@tylerdurden1656 You dipshit. White South Africans are far more pure white than Americans, by far. Ther's been very little mingling with the natives. That's just how it is.
tyler durden Probably not.
This is the exact topic what i'm looking for! I got addicted to your, c-milk and prozzies videos for a couple weeks and this video is like winning in the lottery for me!!
Thank you so very much! You guys have no idea how your videos inspired me and helped me going through a tough time!
+Mau Yeah glad we could help out mate!
Nice vid. Liked the follow up on Gary's journey
I know that Winston first came to China on behalf of his company and had no expectations of the country initially, it was only after that first visit that you decided to move to china for good. I'm not really sure if C-milk had expectations prior to coming to China. What I'd like to know is do you think that Gary was feeling a bit disheartened about his trip because he had certain expectations about China whereas Winston and C-milk did not?
It's entirely possible, I'm sure Gary will weigh in on this topic as he is a subscriber :)
Numan Qureshi I totally agree with you. Chinese have an saying 希望越大，失望就越大
it's been an on-going struggle at my current school to break the habit of hiring by race over qualifications. There has been progress made, though some of the Chinese managers aren't happy about it, and we have a decent amount of diversity now.
Knextlegend Those unhappy Chinese managers can go do one!
I love the way you tell things as it is. Too many people would be scared to give such an honest opinion.
Nice new car Winston, looks much better driving on the right side. You guys are spot on! I being an "Overseas Chinese" with roots in Kaiping/Hoiping, have been to Hong Kong and China. Though I speak some village dialect Cantonese, I felt more like a westerner than being Chinese. You are pigeon holed in your own country and in China, it's like being stuck in limbo between the worlds/cultures. At least in the West, you can communicate which makes it easier. We are called "empty bamboo shoots" or "bananas", yellow on the outside but white on the inside. Was considering of semi-retiring in China as well, so this was very helpful. Keep it up with the videos and stay awesome.
Same thing happened in my school. There was a young Chinese man who spoke better English than me, but they didn't hire him. I interviewed him and found him more than capable. But, it is sooo true! He looks Chinese and therefore he is automatically disqualified. Very sad but very true!
Hey C milk, lookin a little red there ;p
As a Korean Canadian having Chinese girlfriend, your videos are so interesting! your videos answer so many questions I already had. Thank you! cheers.
Really enjoyed the thoughtful and frank but balanced discussion in this vid.
Brit-merican boy band!! Haha
That's tough for someone like Gary to come back, learn about your family history and then realize you're so a part of a distant culture and you and your family generations later are so different with different values and customs. Good or bad that's your preference. There's a divide there, however I guess you can always try to re-introduce some of that to your family, you get to have both now.
Winston's audio is a bit too quiet.
The audio was good, when the car was stopped but at normal driving speed the car almost drowned out the dialogue.
that is race supsension, and perfomance tires, stiff chasis nothing you can do about it :(
Hi,guys! Love your videos! You really verbalized all the things I see (or that I suspect I see) here in China in a funny and informative way. Great job!
Been listening to these videos one by one. Really enjoying it.
"No sugar-cooked nonsense", that is what I love about Your videos!
As a Greek this reminds me a lot off the way we perceive Foreigners of Greek origin.
Roman Sabbatious but it will be much harder to tell surely, since Greeks vary hugely in skin tone
Foreigners stand out no matter where they are in the world. If you are not from the area, locals can tell pretty quickly in my experience.
I know a few of Greek Australians who grew up being strongly educated by their parents in traditional Greek culture and being told that they where Greek and not Australians.. When they became young adults they organised to go back to Greece and visit their ""Home town"" and meet their distant relatives... They came back depressed.. Because over there they where rejected. as being Australians and not real Greeks.. The culture that they have been indoctrinated in by their parents in Australia no longer existed in Greece and Greeks where a Changed people..
They came back to Australia and they where in a twilight zone.. Told by their parents that they where not Australian and knowing that they where not modern day Greeks..
AdstarAPAD One wonders at why you would move anywhere if you aren't willing to integrate. It's not fair on the children and on the local inhabitants who have to live with you
Harry Pothead well being Greek is great , but I think integration is important if you plan to stay
Oh my gosh!!!! Thank you so much for broaching the heavy, foreign accent, non-standard English teacher thing! I have observed this in "a couple"... ( or one) of the teachers online who teach English in Japan and I have been amazed that English would be desireable to be taught with an almost unintelligible accent to an native speaker, especially if not clued in to the speaker's ( or accent's) country of origin.
Your theme song kicks Ass. I'm surprised it was never a hit in the U. S. If it ever got any air play I've never heard it until this channel. I finally clicked your link and heard the entire song.
The word "racist" has been so overused in recent years that it no longer has much meaning. People should realize that the basic distinction between self and other -- between "my kind" and "your kind" is an unavoidable part of the human experience. So if "racist" means seeing regional differences as significant, everyone is racist. It is unavoidable, essentially a perceptual characteristic of human beings. The question, then, is how should we behave, not who or what we ought to be.
Of course it still has meaning. It is how you use the terminology and how you act that determines "the word".
@Ralph Dratman
Well, to paraphrase something that Paul Ryan said last year, "Thinking that someone can't do their job because of their race is pretty much the textbook definition of racism."
Thus, choosing as an English teacher someone who's less qualified over someone who's more qualified because of that person's race, alone, is actual, honest-go-god racism. It's not an overused trope, it's a brutal fact.
What any given person chooses to do with that fact is up to them, however.
"Racism", in this systemic sense, is NOT unavoidable, though. It can be forbidden by policy. To be sure, a policy violation could still happen -- but it would be just that, a violation, rather than an unremarkable continuation of everyday life, something that everyone takes for granted. People should not take racism for granted, and it should be remarked when it does occur.
It's not an 'unavoidable part of the human experience'. It only exists in backward places with ignorant people.
@Ralph Dratman Your comment gave me great hope your humanity, then I read the replies and it was lost just as fast.
It's true. The never-ending "anti-racist" cries just try to make us not like our characteristics. They're incidentally the same people who are "anti-sexist" which means they don't like normal sexuality.
This is the story of my life. Damn.
I seriously enjoy your stuff now you guys made such a channel together too
real quality content. love it
I've heard the US Air Support are recruiting, Winston. How many flight hours do you have? Ever launched any hell fire missiles from your drone?
I've got a video on Thai Nationalism coming up, good to get insight on similar stuff.
Is it up?
To my own personal experience the sort dumb nationalism that both of them mentioned a number of times in their videos is at the moment everywhere in Asia. It is even in Singapore though in a milder form, it is present in Turkey in a harsher form.
If I say something that is not sweet and nice, even the smallest thing such as "i don't like eating chicken feet" or "it is quite dirty here" I may get that rassist phrase. Or at the least they will say "you don't understand our culture", which is not any much better because saying that builds a wall.
Not yet, it's scheduled for later this week.
I have a strong feeling that there is a very bad problem coming up, which could be of a global impact.
These are times when we all have to shift our chairs more closer together. We are getting more and more, and we will have sit all together at that big global table, regardless black or white or yellow or red. Exactly in that time a new form of nationalism and segregationism comes back, that our generation thought is mostly overcome.
top kek. have my upvote.
+T Jan
/int/ greats you
Great video! Everything you said was accurate. I am Australian, half white and half asian by ancestry but pass off as white. When I visited China they all thought I was white and my Chinese friends thought I was white before I told them about my ancestry. ( I have some Chinese blood). I got treated very well in China because to them my appearance is white. In Japan most view me as white though some say I look a little Japanese as they have a strong stereotype of what a white person should look like. No doubt white people get treated differently in China and Japan compared to other ethnicities. I feel I have to talk about my white side and cover up my asian side due to China and Japan having a preference for white people. I accept it and not bothered by it anymore though I have never been disadvantaged by it as I pass off as white. It's unfair though if you don't look white.
Hey Pooh bear, those Drone shots rock. Seriously man, I have always thought drones were cool; however, they seemed impractical to own without a necessary use. I see now how amazing they can really be. I wish you had a drone class online. I'm sure there's a ton folks that could learn from you. Getting that thing to follow you in the CAR? I know about the follow me features. Still though, as far as I know, the DJI's have like 30 min. of flight time. I believe that's what you have, DJI 3/4?. Anyways, getting a drone in the air, recording this show, and then collecting the drone within 30 minutes is awesome. Both my wife and myself enjoy all you guys channels. Thanks for doing what you do. China was never on my list. It was nowhere near my list. You guys really opened that door for me though. If you have a thick skin and a desire to experience new things, then it is an awesome place.
This video was incredibly insightful. As a Chinese-American, I’ve grown up speaking English. It’s too bad there are prejudices that make it difficult for foreigners of all faces. Anyway, thank you for allowing me a piece of where I’m from. This channel is always objective when it comes to topics and I enjoy all both of you have to say. :)
Born and raised in the USA. I am half Filipino, half Caucasian. Because of Filipino/Spanish heritage mixed in, I look white. People are shocked when i say I am mixed Asian, but some how Asians can tell that I am not "pure" white. I taught English in China for 2+ years, but struggled to find jobs. Chinese people told me I wasn't white enough. I got mistaken for mixed Korea, mixed Japanese, etc... A Chinese company actually called my previous job references to just verify my ethnicity. My "whiter" friends loved China because the Chinese loved white people. My white friends got so much attention because of their whiteness. My white friends will say "NI HAO" and Chinese girls loved it. I speak Mandarin (quite well, almost fluent) and i get "Why your Chinese so bad? You bad Chinese person." I have so many stories related to racial incidents and being ignored because I wasn't white enough.
I'm black...that's just a tiny taste of what we go through.
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@The Childfree Curly Girl
Your statement is true, but perhaps not in the way you intended.
Given that he's an Asian-American visiting Asia, the analogy with black people would be when they visit Africa. And, holy shit, when black people, especially black Americans, go to Africa, it's quite an eye-opening experience for everyone involved. I've seen some very good documentaries on this very topic.
For starters, Africans, by and large, don't really sympathize with the whole "slavery" thing -- like, at all. It's totally understandable because, from their perspective, slavery was something that happened to other people living on other continents. THEIR ancestors were not enslaved, so its not really their cross to bear.
This is one of the most shocking things that black Americans find out when they get to Africa. Sure, Africans intellectually understand slavery, and they feel bad about it, probably the same way that a black person feels about, say, the Holocaust -- but it's not the same way that a Jew feels about the Holocaust. It's different when it's your own people. And that cuts to the heart of the matter: black Africans don't tend to see black Americans as being "their people".
Furthermore, they DON'T see black Americans as some sort of kumbayah pan-African brotherhood. Even black Africans don't have a kumbayah brotherhood amongst themselves, so of course, black non-Africans are going to be just that much further removed from this mythical state of being.
They just see them as rich foreigners that they might potentially be able to sell some overpriced bauble to (or beg from). "Rich" because they're from America, and everyone in America is supposed to be rich (I mean, by the standards of many African countries, this is essentially a correct statement: someone making USD $10,000 per year would be quite affluent in much of Africa, and dirt poor in the US).
Many black Americans go to Africa on some sort of spiritual vision quest to find their long-last Africanness. What awaits them when they get there is a bunch of people who don't look at them and see black; rather, they see green.
Filipinos are genetically only 2% Spanish just because they have Spanish surnames means nothing they all had to change their names in colonial times. They actually have large amount of Chinese mixed in rather than Spanish.
Chinese ignorance and racism at its finest
This shows how superficial the culture is......
When I was working in Beijing back in 1987 I could not walk anywhere without people staring at me or stepping aside on the sidewalk. I was 24 then, 6 foot tall, blonde hair, husky build and hazel eyes. As one of my Chinese colleagues told me, I was an oddity to them because the only westerners they saw back then were older middle aged men (which I am now).
You two blokes are a natural when it comes to these videos. 5 Stars.
#Bringthembikesback
华侨 (Huaqiao) are in a restricted sense overseas Chinese emigrants who still retain Chinese nationality.
华裔 (Huayi) are non-Chinese citizens of Chinese ancestry or just ethnic Chinese.
Big difference between Jiali and Gary!
what i like about listening to this two guys, is that both are english teachers, so you listen to them and you pick up a lot of the expressions they use, and the words and the way they form their sentences. i like it, they are talkative in a non boring way
guys... I'm half French, half Moroccan (Berber not Arab) and I'm speaking 5 languages,
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I have no special interest regarding China or anything Asian I just found your channel by accident and I like the work you do here ! keep going you are the most honest people on CZcams ever (as a "mixed" (Berbers are Caucasians according to Wikipedia) person I clearly see what you're talking about and it's so true, no sugar coating no shit talking, bravo)
bon courage les amis
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...p.S : as one of your videos mentioned we non Chinese people are portrayed as very stupid and animal-like (literally) and that's exactly what I've noticed one day I was switching channels on TV and one Chinese channel (NTDTV ?) was showing a very old and vulgar black and white British movie barely translated, ....very vulgar... as we French call :"beauf"
seriously... their self-esteem is surprisingly low...and awkwardly they love everything white....a really strange culture
hiring a white face over an asian to teach english I think is cause they want the kids to be challenged to talk. When they see an asian face they dont see someone different thus they aren't inspired. The reality is most white faces arent hired cause they can teach English. Its kind of odd to hire someone who doesnt speak the native language to teach another language. Most of the teaching white faces are hired to do isnt really teaching, they cant explain grammar. Most times they cant explain anything because the students dont have any fundamental level of communication in English and the teach doesnt have a fundamental level of Chinese. Thus the white face is only hired as inspiration, a challenge to talk to. (Once the teach becomes bilingual I bet they move on to doing something else with their skills)
I once joined a TEFL program where we were sent from Europe to China to practice teaching English. I'm half SE Asian and half European, and when the principal of my first school first met me she went: "You look Chinese!" But nothing more was said about that. Later that night, another representative of the school called me and adviced me to dye my hair blonde or something, so that I would look more different, for the sake of the parents of the students. I didn't do it, and transferred to a school who did accept me for who I am. On the positive side, looking like a local did make me experience the local life so much more, since I could go to the most local areas and not stick out at all, and having locals talk to me like I'm one of them also helped me practice my Mandarin.
halohalo86 As a white guy who was often frustrated by the locals' insistence on not speaking Chinese with me, it's refreshing to hear you admit to that advantage.
I love your videos and I really respect the fact that you're not getting into politics. It would really derail this channel into a some sort of social commentary channel, which are already abundant. But now it's actually a geography channel: a profile of people, their culture, etc. I wish there were other channels like this for other countries.
2 minutes in and i already have to say that your videos are so beautifuly produced
Gary needed to give it more time and not beaning to judgmental. And then seeing where his Parents lived kind of broke his heart. People don't have pride in the things they have. Like you don't see a house with green grass growing around it. It's not there's so why brother. But I really like China and I could live there very easily. And Numan was probably right about his expectations.
Well, though it isn't really correct for a Chinese to ask for a white guy to teach them rather than an oversea chinese, I'd MUCH rather have a Japanese cook cooking real Japanese food, even if there was a 40 year old guy who had been learning how to cook in Japan his whole life. Same for when we go to these "chinese" or "japanese" restaurants. We'd rather have a chinese person working at the chinese restaurant. Even though chinese food outside of china isn't anything like it is in China. Same for Japanese food. Before my body was hurt badly, I was preparing to move to Japan, so I learned Japanese, extremely easy to learn (at least 6-8 times easier than English), and thus maybe I'll at least visit a few times and help some people out while I'm there rather than never going at all. Definitely my favorite country, and I've compared MANY countries.
It isn't correct ? Do you realize what their point is when making these comparisons ? NON Native English speaking white foreigner with subpar english is being chosen over a NATIVE English speaker who happens to be Chinese. That is just insanity beyond belief. IF it were an actual Native English white person then the outrage maybe wouldn't be quite as bad, but the above situation is downright dumb and makes no sense.
This is the problem they're addressing..
And whose problem is that?
based on my 5 years working in PRC, various large cities, your facts are spot on. appreciate your honest insights.
I watch you guys a lot, love your insights into China. Keep em coming (from Vietnam)
So interesting to hear that it is so difficult to find a job as an English teacher if you are a 'Chinese' person who lived already his/her whole life in, let's say, USA!! And that they are really looking for 'white' people.
parador_NL its like trying to find a good basketball player in the states, the team hires black ppl most of the time 😂
Taiwan #1
hoo woo Taiwan won
CHinA #2
Winston, I just discovered that you have this second CZcams channel. Looking forward to watching all the videos here.
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I live with my wife in the Philippines since 1997 and I really enjoy your video's. It is amazing how similar the culture is here compared to China. Those that have never traveled to foreign lands have really wasted their lives....Stay safe...you guys are great!
China is just being too nice to most foreigners. Like in america everyone is expected to speak great English if not people become impatient.
English is the lingua franca of the modern world. It makes sense why most English speaking countries don't speak other languages when the rest of the world speaks yours.
I am pretty sure 2nd language is mandatory in first 12 years of school in the USA. That isn't saying people actually keep it up enough to be fluent in any great percentages. The problem with the US only speaking English is the fact that it is the international language. Not so important to learn another language as someone whose mother tongue isn't English...
You may be right, but personally there was no mandatory 2nd language for me in a California public school as a child until I attended high school. Even then it was just a year of Spanish class. I learned a second language by myself out of high school, in high school it was really relaxed and I retained nothing (my own fault for not taking it seriously most likely).
+Slowburn It is most certainly not. We at most, are required 1 year of Spanish or French.
Well, I miss spoke. That is what I meant. Minimum 1 or 2 semesters required, but usually people continue that to 3 or 4 semesters. Every kid going to school that I know is also taught basic Spanish in elementary on top of shows like Dora the Explorer, lol. Up til 2000's we were also required to take a year of Latin. Now that was a complete waste, IMO.
i am born in china, move to north america when i was 16, every time i travel, i reapect their culture and food, i have been to most asia and euro countries, i naver had any culture shock, i just think thats how they roll bro, why american are alway shock? complaining alots, ”oh how they talk like that?!“” i cant eat that shit!“ "oh thats not right!”
“why they dont speak english?” you guys better just stay home, if u going to their country, respect their culture, eat their food, and learn some of their language. and to some of the chinese americans in china, u look 1500% chinese, in china, people may have hard time to understand how u endup in canada or us or whatever the fk u from, they will treat u like chinese, get over it, is a good thing, they will like u.
most them are private schools, it call marketing, is a business, i wont sand my kid go to school like this, public school is ok for me, nothing wrong with the teather, the problem is their parents, some time i think the parents spand that kind money sand their kids to learn something ”extra” is just to make themself feel better, they dont spand much time with their kid, in china, public education are lack of resource equalisation, not every kids going to top highshool, just like everywhere else, the things is , when the parents have money, they are customers, private schools are stores, and the boss asking themself, how can i get the most customers? the answers is easy=commercials, then ”white teacher” are actors, the final products quality are very. just like mcdonald burger on tv, thats how it works.........business
You don't sound like you hang out with a lot of Americans or Canadians... I bet most your friends are chinese
u dont have to bet for others life, is pointless. if u want to win a conversation, this is not the place, we have polish russian italian filipino and chinese in my family, and their are all canadians. some are immigrant, some are born in canada, they married each others with love and respect. we are doing fine, one thing for sure, i wont hang out people that ask these kind questions, because there is a wall between us, it call "the wall of close minded.“ last thing to say, i am a chinese. descendants of the dragon
，nothing change that. be proud of it. and good luck to u and u family and friends. u can go back to other side of the wall now, stay awesome
mopper874 Sadly most Americans don't travel abroad so they end up being as stiff as you've pointed out. The ones that do tend to roll with differing cultures, usually by focusing on the positives. I think it comes down to how early and how often the person has been challenged by the existence of other cultures. Sure you can try to convince yourself that you have an open mind, but the only thing that will help you deal with reality is practice.
As for China, I'd vastly prefer being Chinese American than white. Your presence isn't a direct challenge to the social situation at all times, meaning it's just so much easier to flow around situations. Sure if you linger the small things begin to betray you, like body language, speech habits, clothing style, but that only matters in extended exposure situations and usually by that point you've had plenty of opportunities to break the ice. And yeah, bottom line even if you don't feel Chinese, you qualify to be 1500% Chinese.
You sound stupid
Like "Simon and Garfunkel" or "Seals and Croft" or " Beavis and Butthead", these guys have a magical chemistry.
Very informative and entertaining. 3 thumbs UP!
You've got a good chemistry between you and youze guys are always fun. And hey, I love the music... stay awesome.
Your car is too awkward for two men to sit inside...
Sargon of Akkad vid in the recommended tab, something tells me ADVChina is red pilled :D
pike RDM It's either that, or you are. I already know that they lean right. :)
pike RDM I have never had one of his videos in the recommended tab. The recommended tab is also based on what you watch habitually or recently have seen. I often watch SecularTalk, and I often see them in the recommended tab, but I know it's because of my habits.
Next series: ADVKekistan.
He is subscribed to Sargon, Bearing, even Thunderf00t. He accidentally let it slip in one of his videos, and hasn't taken it down to my knowledge.
Caesar Maricius He's talking about Winston's own tab, which he shows at 5:04
Your channel is really interesting, I don't know why I watch it, but you both are great at sharing your experiences of china. Cheers guys.
It’s common to hear the term ‘Chinese-Americans’ but not ‘Chinese-Australians’. I’m glad you mentioned Chinese-Australians as I am one. My great-grandparents were from China and I’m lucky to have been born in Australia as I have the best of both worlds. It’s eye-opening and refreshing to listen to topics that most of us don’t normally discuss. Thank you for your videos on Chinese-related topics.
I am australian chinese, cannot speak Manderin and will not go to china anytime soon.
Not really interested in my roots :)
That's the right idea, anywhere born chinese remember, you are not chinese. You belong to where you are from. please do not embarrass China by saying you are chinese without even being able to speak the right language.
+Rave I think you're confusing Chinese citizenship, with Chinese ethnicity. A person can be ethnically Chinese, yet born in, raised, and a citizen of another country. There is no dishonor in that for either the person, or China. Also - just because you are a certain ethnicity does not imply you speak the language associated with those origins.
traitors like you should keep out of China anyway
well said hahahahaha
優さん How shallow. Enjoy your day with that 40s mindset
Feels good to be white.
Awesome drone footage! You've got to tell me how you do that.
I've seen both of your content for the past two years. great quality, and very informative. I'm coming to Shenzhen in the end of may, It would be fun to meet up for lunch one day. keep up the great work!
wow I wouldn't do well in such a racist environment.
mossyTV of course you could. what you mean is you couldn't live in an environment where YOU are discriminated against.
I love this turn of the tables. its exactly the dose whites and racist Asians who embrace white superiority need. lmao
Big fan keep it up! Greetings from Norway! have seen all your episodes and Conquering Northern China very cool too watch!
Hey guys, I enjoy your both of your channels and the insight in the Chinese culture, I'm an African American who has lived abroad for over eight years (mostly in the UK) and dated a Chinese girl for a short time while I was there. She was always a bit of a mystery to me. Watching your videos have given me a great deal of insight and I can understand why she acted the way she did at times.
There is something I was curious about, back when I was doing my masters program one of my classmate asked me to help her with her English, so we would get into these long discussion about each others culture, and she once told me that it was customary for the husband to give his entire paycheck to his wife at lease in her parents generation. That way the husband was less likely to have affairs. My classmate was married and I got the since that not the case among the younger generation because her and her husband would get into arguments about that. Appreciate your thoughts on this topic.
Also, I'm considering planning my next trip around Asia, Hong Kong, Mainland China, Japan and Singapore. To continue to learn and explore this wonderful world we live in, so keep up the good work.
As a ground level still photographer, the "gratuitous drone shot" is a visual treat. Thank you for showing even jaded "been there, done that" an "as seen by an angel" China.
Regarding you being from the culture you were brought up in, you don't necessarily grow up exclusively in one place (one culture), you aren't necessarily brought up under one culture by your parents (especially if you have mixed parents). You can also grow up in a country, but have nothing to do with that country's culture if your parents are foreign and you live in some sort of bubble for foreigners and go to a school for foreigners since that ends up creating a culture of its own that people outside it will not recognise of understand in the slightest.
Great video though, I love your stuff and I'll be looking forward to binge-watching more haha
The thing i like about your videos is the bare truth.Keep it up guys stay awesome
The music part at the beginning was adorable!
I wonder what it’s like driving on the opposite sides, how long does it take to get used to?
So you were driving a right-hand drive car on a road that keeps on the right. That’s really awesome!
We, my wife and I, enjoy watching the two of you exploring the land of China on your motorcycles. The conversation is covered well when you are on the bikes, but when you're in the car the road noise reduces the intelligibility of your conversation by at least 60%. There is a coating that can be used on the undercarriage of cars which reduces the road noise and lower resonance of the floorboards. Your car doesn't seem to have it. Other than that we think you guys are awesome! Stay free...
"Where you come from is who you are" is advice many Americans should take to heart. For whatever reason there seems to be a crazy obsession with their parents/grandparents origin.
Every time I meet Americans, and I mention to them where I'm from, they always respond along the lines of "OH my grandmothers brothers wife's father is from there too! that makes me 2,5425% your nationality!". It's really bewildering since usually it's pretty obvious that you're not Italian, or French or whatever it is you are claiming, you are American... usually very obnoxiously so
I somewhat got the same impression from the guy who went to inner Mongolia you talked about.
Wow, at first I thought the fella driving was Jason Statham from the movie Transporter. That is is great look for you! You are not racist, you kids are refreshing!!!
Just like you guys C-Milk and Winston, China never ceases to amaze me. Love your videos guys.
When doing your Motorcycle and Car shows where your driving around while talking, could you by chance look into getting a 360 camera? That way, many of us can, while the show is going, can look around instead of just one direction. For example, when you said, "oh look at that truck....." and then said you can't show it. WE as the viewer could have actually stepped back in the video and rotated our view to see it.
Additionally, when your traveling, it gives us more to see too.
Interesting video and definitely can relate to a lot of what you said. I'm Chinese, born in the U.K. and raised in Canada. (My parents are South African born Chinese.) I don't speak Chinese, apart from the little that I learnt taking a few Mandarin classes. The couple of times I've been to China, I've had a hard time because I look the part, but when locals realize I don't speak the language, they're much less accommodating or helpful. Even in HK. A couple of Caucasian friends who lived in HK for a few years had a very different reception of HK than I did. There's no expectation from a visible foreigner to speak the language, but there is for someone who looks the part. It was nice to be incognito for once, but at the same time, even though they're of the same heritage as me, I felt quite disconnected from the culture, likely because of the language barrier. I think it's probably similar for any diaspora.
I love when you guys talk about cars
So true about the white part, I'm originally French Canadian and got a thick English accent.... Still get under the table teaching job offer each time I go in China.