First Look At Melbourne's New G Class Tram!

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  • čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
  • A first look at the design for Melbourne's new G class trams - this is a full scale mock-up of half a tram, being used to get design feedback from stakeholders. For official information, have a look here: www.vic.gov.au/next-generatio...
    Want to help support the channel, get early access to new content and exclusive behind the scenes videos? Join me on Patreon: / taitset
    All footage and photographs used in this video are by Martin Bennet (me), except for the Blackpool photo which is by Alexander Jamieson. The network map is the official Yarra Trams map.
    My voiceover in this video was recorded with the assistance of my brother Cian, who happens to be a sound recordist and musician. Check out his music here: hyperfollow.com/cianbennetmusic
    Chapters:
    00:00 - Hello G class
    03:19 - ..Why G?
    04:14 - Let's take a look inside
    06:40 - Not the only mockup
    07:39 - Thanks everyone!
    #melbourne #transport #trams

Komentáře • 214

  • @Taitset
    @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +42

    You can check out Philip Mallis' tour of the X'trap 2.0 mockup here: czcams.com/video/m_bd0UyEaYQ/video.htmlsi=vtIJzUEmCM0DFSoq
    Philip also made a video on the G class mock-up, (beating me to publishing by about 40 mins!) If you'd like another perspective on it: czcams.com/video/-KWZH1P_Is4/video.htmlsi=gegUfpl81rZB2nbB
    My (very basic) look at the HCMT mockup from 2018: czcams.com/video/Lmhi2DjuBqY/video.html
    Support the channel on Patreon: www.patreon.com/Taitset

    • @closeben
      @closeben Před 7 měsíci +4

      So cool that you were invited to see this! I was hoping Philip might have gotten a cameo in this video… Next time you will have to do a crossover!

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@closeben Yes we'll have to aim to be in the same group next time!

    • @ElijahWinn-bn4sq
      @ElijahWinn-bn4sq Před 3 měsíci

      Straya Trains also has a good video: czcams.com/video/drtX9fh-gpc/video.html&pp=ygUOeCd0cmFwb2xpcyAyLjA%3D

  • @dylanshadowstar9779
    @dylanshadowstar9779 Před 7 měsíci +125

    The best part is these are going to routes 57, 59, 82. Routes Ive used and been around most my life which have always felt like they have the outdated trams compared some other lines

    • @Detrabot
      @Detrabot Před 7 měsíci +10

      I feel you, I live with these routes and I’ve only seen z class trams near me. I’m gonna miss them for their comfy seats though 😢

    • @HazptMedia
      @HazptMedia Před 7 měsíci +2

      Tbh I like the Z classes more, their seats are much more comfortable, and the i love the open windows. However, the Z classes are aging and have a lower capacity than Z classes.

    • @CPTE5069
      @CPTE5069 Před 7 měsíci

      Same here

    • @randomchick1234
      @randomchick1234 Před 7 měsíci

      Yeah the 82 is desperately in need of some new trams

    • @privateer9116
      @privateer9116 Před 7 měsíci +1

      As someone who has routinely used the 59, it'll particularly benefit the many people of varying mobility capacity who visit the hospital precinct (Royal Melbourne, Peter Mac, and Royal Childrens) to access medical services. Albeit the upgrades in recent years to the 58 service and fleet have certainly helped on this front.

  • @Driver6M
    @Driver6M Před 7 měsíci +28

    Good to see a tram that has been made for Melbourne. The swivel bogies are a must for our rough tracks, enough doors in the right places, good sight lines for drivers with a stubby upright nose which is perfect for areas with heavy vehicle traffic. Melbourne's old tram network has a very unique set of challenges to overcome and for the first time in a long time, it seems we will have a tram that fits our needs perfectly.

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 7 měsíci +4

      That is why Melbourne developed the 'Melbourne Tram Specification' that has being used for future tram designs that is compatible for the network, except during 'privatisation' period of the network when 'off the shelf' design's likes the C & D class trams where used and proved they weren't compatible to the network, hence being restricted to certain routes.

  • @philipmallis
    @philipmallis Před 7 měsíci +52

    Was bound to happen eventually - absolute coincidence on the timing! Great video as usual

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +21

      Haha yes, amazingly close! Thankyou. :)

    • @shootinputin6332
      @shootinputin6332 Před 7 měsíci +3

      I always get you two mixed up. When I see 'Taitset', I see your face.

  • @samsam21amb
    @samsam21amb Před 7 měsíci +34

    The timber seat design and the interior info screens are perfect and amazing.

  • @therealsammyvee888
    @therealsammyvee888 Před 7 měsíci +39

    Awesome! I'm going there tomorrow to check it out with my dad who also works at a disability agency. Being totally blind myself, I'm very impressed at how accessible these new trams are intended to be. It's also cool how they're based on the same ones that are on the Gold Coast, as my family and I rode them a couple of months ago or our holiday up there. Nice to see they're coming to Melbourne. On a side note, my dad and I were also hoping to go to the mock-up of the X'Trap 2.0 a few months ago, but I think it was when we were away or had something else on. Thanks for the great video.

  • @espaciobarra
    @espaciobarra Před 7 měsíci +31

    Alstom definitely took some lessons from the G:link Flexity units when it comes to interior layout, except for the fact that the Queensland contemporaries have space for two passengers per side even on the seats closer to the single-leaf doors.
    Thank you for the video, Martin!

  • @SYDTrainsFilms
    @SYDTrainsFilms Před 7 měsíci +20

    I wish that we would learn here in NSW that just buying off the shelf models of rolling stock doesn't work! It's so good to see Melbourne ensuring that future rolling stock (trains and trams) is personalised to the city, and hopefully NSW will follow suit! All the recent stock purchased has been plauged with problems and has never had a community consultation model constructed (Looking at you NIF and new regional fleet).

    • @mandonov21
      @mandonov21 Před 7 měsíci +7

      NIF is actually a very custom design that WAS consulted on, especially with disability groups. They wanted a true off the shelf design from Alston or Stadler, but it wasn’t possible. So a modified Waratah/Oscar design was used and built upon.
      The new Regional Fleet though is a boondoggle, go sure!

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Melbourne has developed the 'Melbourne Tram Specification' that is being used for future tram designs that is compatible for the network. Lessons have been learnt the 'off the shelf' design's likes the C & D class trams don't work

    • @joshporter5422
      @joshporter5422 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That applies to all 100% fixed bogie trams operating on any network with tight corner radii. Unless the system was designed with the selected vehicles limitations in mind, it’s not going to work long-term.

    • @dawgtheundying5303
      @dawgtheundying5303 Před 6 měsíci

      I've got this dream for my hometown to have a revival of its tram network. It seems that off the shelf models might not be as feasible as I thought.

    • @joshporter5422
      @joshporter5422 Před 6 měsíci

      A majority of the worlds rolling-stock manufacturers have numerous "off-the-shelf" vehicle platforms that can be easily tailored to suit any particular system. All those models vary in capabilities thus their selection would depend on the chosen alignment they would operate on. Buy the right vehicles (even off-the-shelf ones) and you should have no long-term issues.
      Of-course, if you're resurrecting a legacy system curve for curve that far exceeds the design limitations of modern rolling-stock, finding something from an expansive catalogue to suit might be difficult if not impossible. Thats when agencies will go down the highly-modified or tailored path.

  • @zksnxtrap
    @zksnxtrap Před 7 měsíci +6

    I think the timber seat backs add personality to the new trams, and the spilt handrail seems very good.

  • @jdillon8360
    @jdillon8360 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Hopefully these trams accelerate smoothly. A lot of the modern trams are quite jerky when accelerating or braking. The old trams, with all their shortcomings, were at least unlikely to send you flying if you're not holding on firmly.

  • @jasonjo28
    @jasonjo28 Před 7 měsíci +6

    At 7:27 you can see one of the new Conduent Myki validators behind the “prototype testing underway” sign

    • @mitchul
      @mitchul Před 7 měsíci

      I was just about to comment that. A sign of what our readers in the future will look like, maybe?

    • @jasonjo28
      @jasonjo28 Před 7 měsíci

      @@mitchul looks like it!

  • @antiussentiment
    @antiussentiment Před 7 měsíci +14

    No F class?
    Now I understand why we never got a Commodore VD..

  • @sancheeez
    @sancheeez Před 7 měsíci +14

    Very nice, and I like the extra doors. A big issue I have with the Canberra fleet (and I think this applies to NSW's CAF trams as well) is the poor allocation of doors, only 2 full and 2 half width for the 33 metre length, which slows down boarding and discourages more even dispersal through the passenger cabin. During peak, most people are crowded near the doors alongside all the bicycles, prams and wheelchairs. A couple extra doors like on the E and G class would help a bit I think.
    Also people here still haven't learned train platform etiquette.

    • @sancheeez
      @sancheeez Před 7 měsíci +1

      To clarify: this is in reference to the 5-module proposal, in direct comparison to the 5-module CAF tram. I should have been clearer sorry

    • @joshporter5422
      @joshporter5422 Před 7 měsíci

      CAF fleet on Sydney’s L1 has this door arrangement and it really hampers peak hour performance. Huge dwells at busy stops.

  • @DomQuartuccio
    @DomQuartuccio Před 7 měsíci +5

    Great insight, love the behind the scenes look!

  • @Jules_Diplopia
    @Jules_Diplopia Před 7 měsíci +13

    My first reaction was, "oh no another tram with doors directly opposite doors" This usually means that the disabled access and pushchair access is constrained as you have to immediately turn left or right.
    My beloved Den Haag Avenios have staggered doors so that entry for wheelchairs goes directly into the wheelchair space. However as you showed further details it is clear that these G class trams have a clear access to the reserved space. Well done. But the fold down seats will still mean that people sit there when they should not.
    G Class 8/10 well done.

    • @shaunclarke94
      @shaunclarke94 Před 7 měsíci +2

      There's no rule saying people shouldn't sit there. It's just a priority space.

    • @Jules_Diplopia
      @Jules_Diplopia Před 7 měsíci

      @@shaunclarke94 But in a busy tram I have never found that the people sitting there give priority to me. Maybe Aussies are more polite?

    • @WildWillex
      @WildWillex Před 7 měsíci +3

      Everyone is allowed to sit in the priority seats but it’s finable if they aren’t given up to someone who needs it. The foldable seats are there so people can sit there when there is no need for wheelchair space

    • @shaunclarke94
      @shaunclarke94 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@Jules_Diplopia they are only required to give up the seat upon request. But if they can see someone that needs it, they should offer.

    • @Jules_Diplopia
      @Jules_Diplopia Před 7 měsíci

      @@shaunclarke94 Really? That seems illogical. For instance, as with many wheelchair users, I have difficulty breathing and therefore speaking. So could not shout from 3 places away in a busy noisy tram.
      So at the busy times I get stuck in the gangway between the 2 entrance doors. Slowing down entrance and exit for everyone.

  • @jmacca53
    @jmacca53 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great video, thanks for sharing. I recall an E class mock up was displayed at the Melbourne Show in 2011. It was open to the public to inspect and provide feedback on.

  • @TomMarvan
    @TomMarvan Před 6 měsíci

    Great review, thank you for the update!

  • @mangobaby_videos
    @mangobaby_videos Před 7 měsíci +3

    I’m going to be honest, I thought the front looked really silly but considering the benefits…? Not bad!

  • @leightonm5827
    @leightonm5827 Před měsícem

    I’ve came to believe the new Alstom Citadis in Sydney are elite in their design. Not sure if the newer models have the same swaying issue as Melbourne’s C-Class Citadis’ but the internal layout is perfection with lots of floor space giving it better standing capacity and a double door by the driver’s cab.

  • @thestarlightalchemist7333
    @thestarlightalchemist7333 Před 7 měsíci +3

    These have very similar, though overall better, interiors to the Flexity Freedoms used in a few places here in Canada, including the Edmonton Valley Line, which is now part of my daily commute. To be honest tho, despite being worse overall in my opinion, I still think the Freedom looks better on the outside, but that's mostly due to Melbourne's requirements for crash safety.

  • @pierreinthavong181
    @pierreinthavong181 Před 7 měsíci

    Very awesome video!👍☺️

  • @SU_47
    @SU_47 Před 7 měsíci

    this new tram looks really good and can hold a good amount of passengers. i would like to see it on the route 86 tram as they still use the z class trams on it and during the rush hour they can get really pack. my favourite part of this tram is the wooden finish thank you for giving us this great news.

  • @WhyWouldYouDrawThat
    @WhyWouldYouDrawThat Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video. The second you mentioned the timber backs I immediately imagined them covered in graffiti. I suspect it would be more cost effective to immediately paint them in the factory before adding trim, as otherwise, when, not if, they get some graffiti, it would be expensive to cover up.
    They look good. The only thing I don’t like is the front. But I get why it needs to be that shape.

  • @Geees1
    @Geees1 Před 4 měsíci

    i completely agree with this part at 4:55 one time i was at flinders street and i had to miss a stop because there was too much people and I couldnt get of the tram

  • @Roadrunnerz45
    @Roadrunnerz45 Před 5 měsíci

    4:45 thanks for the explanation. the new trams in parramatta have double doors at each end along with the existing alstom citadis x05 in sydney. so it is possible and by looking at your video it does look very cramped. hard for those like us who like to watch at either end :)

  • @IllusionsAtlas
    @IllusionsAtlas Před 7 měsíci +7

    It looks like a beluga whale, actually pretty cute

    • @luhama
      @luhama Před 7 měsíci +2

      You are so right 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮

  • @chrismckellar9350
    @chrismckellar9350 Před 7 měsíci +1

    That is why Melbourne developed the 'Melbourne Tram Specification' that has being used for future tram designs that is compatible for the network, except during 'privatisation' period of the network when 'off the shelf' design's likes the C & D class trams where used and proved they weren't compatible to the network, hence being restricted to certain routes. The G1 trams are in essence the modern version of the B Class trams which have proven to be flexible across the network by moving a lot of people, hence the G1's are shorter than the E Class trams.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci +1

      More correctly the (near) off-the-shelf designs (note our Citadis trams build for us have flat sides while nearly all others have curved sides) were shown not to be technically compliant with the entire network and this is sure to complicate driver training and it also disconnects our trams from the type of services they are providing, which, while not as flexible as buses, is still supposed to be more flexible than, say, our suburban rail could be.
      The cascading plan is an example of the flexibility we have from having some tram types technically compliant with the whole network. Another example of how flexible our trams are supposed to be is diversion of some of our routes during demonstrations in the city centre.
      We also ran two demonstration trams and at least one of them, then on loan from Porto, was even closer to off-the-shelf, judging from its severe curve limitations. The standard light rail minimum curve radius is 25 metres but that of the tightest curve on our network is about 15 metres.
      Even the E class is restricted to certain routes, due to length and power requirements, but it can certainly (being used on route 86) get around the tightest curve on the network.
      Over in Toronto, where the minimum curve radius is under 11 metres, the points are still single-bladed (ouch) and the track gauge unique, they have Flexity Outlooks. While these are customised for Toronto and technically compliant with their whole network (less extensive than ours), it seems that Toronto's order for them is still a sort-of-repeat of what we did when we ordered the Citadis and Combino.

  • @victorianrichard8097
    @victorianrichard8097 Před 6 měsíci

    I love our melbourne g class train 😂

  • @HazptMedia
    @HazptMedia Před 7 měsíci

    Great video

  • @PROofHAPPYWHEELS
    @PROofHAPPYWHEELS Před 6 měsíci

    great video, thx

  • @larsha01
    @larsha01 Před 6 měsíci

    Hoping they are starting to work on a solution to allow wheelchair access without a superstop/lrveltram stop as very few places have enough of those stops or enough room to build them. Ive wondered if they could do a mini lift like the accessible coach busses

  • @williamhuang8309
    @williamhuang8309 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I will really miss the Z class tram when it's replaced by the G class. The Z class trams are really interesting vehicles to ride on. But I do like the features on the new G class.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      The Zs should be kept for charters and tours. These applications do not require level boarding and high floor is better for them.

  • @darksnakenerdmaster
    @darksnakenerdmaster Před 7 měsíci

    This tram looks really good, even if the square jaw on the front make it look like someone took the Panther G gun mantlet as inspiration for the look. Internally, it looks like it's practically ready for production.

  • @revilok08
    @revilok08 Před 7 měsíci +1

    7:29, interesting to see the new look myki readers on the tram for when credit card use is rolled out!

  • @ronzo0
    @ronzo0 Před 7 měsíci

    The machine that looks like a grey Myki reader with the "prototype" paper covering it, is that for the new contactless ticketing system?

  • @JordysRailVideos
    @JordysRailVideos Před 7 měsíci

    Think there was also a E class mockup during the 2010 or 2011 Royal Melbourne Show

  • @keldakellie9164
    @keldakellie9164 Před 7 měsíci

    awesome

  • @beidouforlife__2081
    @beidouforlife__2081 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Would you make a video on different vlines? I've been on plenty newer looking ones that have different seats

  • @tomhenry6440
    @tomhenry6440 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This is cool

  • @kaplunk1548
    @kaplunk1548 Před 6 měsíci +1

    i wished they would use more wood and warm white lighting it would give the trams a very homely and warm feeling

  • @victorianrichard8097
    @victorianrichard8097 Před 6 měsíci

    82 is my best tram i love near my home maidstone

  • @Isxiros100
    @Isxiros100 Před 3 měsíci

    I hope they don't rattle and make as much noise as some of the newer trams.Maybe it's just poor maintenance, but here on the the 96, I can hear them from blocks away at times

  • @hardly.rivai_YT
    @hardly.rivai_YT Před 7 měsíci +2

    Melbourne's getting new locally-built trams in two years from now. Like the E-class (the tram, not the car), the G-class will be fully accessible and swivelling bogies for sharp curves along Melbourne streets. Unlike the E-class, they're shorter and has passenger information displays for next stop announcements and real-time Melbourne PTV network alerts.
    I never thought that a 5-module G2-class tram is in the works but if it does get pressed into service, the routes I think it could operate is the 19 (displaces D2-class trams to the 6), 58 (alongside the E-class), 75 (introduces accessible tram services for the first time) and 109 (allows C-class trams to be displaced to the 12, 30, 48 and 78). They might also operate on 11 and 86 if PTV extends its tram network by building new tracks to underserved communities (Reservoir and South Morang, for example).

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 7 měsíci

      The G1 trams have inspired by the B Class trams which have proven to be flexible in moving a lot of people across the network. That is why the G1 trams are shorter the E (3 segment) trams.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      By the way, will the G class be able to run in coupled pairs? The B class was intended to be able to run coupled and a coupled set of E class trams was tested in June 2014. This was filmed and is on the channel Schony 747 Trains Trams Planes.

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Myrtone - The tram network is not currently suited for coupled E's. With any future expansion/s of the network will included coupled E's and possibly G's.
      Coupled 5 segment light rail vehicles need dedicated non graded rail corridors to be effected in good running times.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      @@chrismckellar9350 The E class has three, not five sections, due to the technology underneath it. Is any of our network suited to coupled G's?

  • @lexg5317
    @lexg5317 Před 6 měsíci

    i quite like the timber finish but i suspect they wont stick with it due to the fear of vandalism. Oh well, still a good looking tram. I like the addition of the wish hanrail thingy bcs i find that sometimes when people crowd the big open areas of some tram, theres nothing really to hold onto if youre in the middle of it all.

  • @wildwombat
    @wildwombat Před měsícem

    That was cool. It sounded a little familiar, but i think 'that other guy' did his one too 😉

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před měsícem

      Yes, we released videos on this on the same day. :)

  • @Alexander_Dunn
    @Alexander_Dunn Před 7 měsíci

    Do you know if this will ever be put on public display like the HCMT was a few years ago?
    Yes i agree, it is great that nowadays we do mock-ups of public transport before they are build so that people can voice their opinions on them and make sure they are fit for Melbourne (ahem, Siemens trains, C1 class, E class)

  • @vincentxie3090
    @vincentxie3090 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I hope we can get to see Melbourne's new G class tram by 2025

  • @fn_brun00
    @fn_brun00 Před 7 měsíci +1

    nice

  • @100salute
    @100salute Před 7 měsíci +1

    I love the tait thumbnail haha. Keep it up.

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +3

      I was wondering when someone would notice 🙂

    • @drworm5007
      @drworm5007 Před 7 měsíci

      He's a reverse Thomas. It's a rare condition.

  • @ThompsonSteamtrain
    @ThompsonSteamtrain Před 7 měsíci

    I love to see these new trams at airport west 😊 🚃

  • @I_must_get_a_van
    @I_must_get_a_van Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for the update and tour. Can the general public take a look at the new G class? If so where is the display? Cheers

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci

      No, it isn't open to the public unfortunately

  • @headbumb9022
    @headbumb9022 Před 7 měsíci +1

    how can be invited to the sort of train/tram/bus models before it become an actual thing like what they did with the X'trap 2.0 and HCMT?

  • @OfficalMelbourneGreenQuad
    @OfficalMelbourneGreenQuad Před 7 měsíci

    I wonder if taitset went to the metro party. My pare said no after we could go cause heavy rain

  • @mattsunrool
    @mattsunrool Před 7 měsíci +1

    I dont understand why they don't make restaurant trams out of the A class old stock I mean most of the appeal is that its a moving restaurant not that its an old tram Even a bar tram would be great Melbourne would become world wide known for it I have worked on the restaurant trams and every single person on it enjoyed it Great vids When you nerd out (7000 a great touch etc) its really natural and passionate and great to watch Keep up the good work Loved ur vid on the runaway broadie train too Cheers

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      Let me tell you that a proper restaurant with a big enough kitchen would never fit onboard *any* of our trams, as per the common understanding in the good food business. You would never find our Restaurant tram in any good food guide.

    • @mattsunrool
      @mattsunrool Před 4 měsíci

      I worked on the tram car restaurant and its all par cooked so they could do it with the other trams in the fleet - the food wasnt that bad and its more a case of eating whilst moving thats the appeal not the fine dining@@Myrtone

  • @bluckfox
    @bluckfox Před 7 měsíci

    NEXT GEN OFTrams hay Taitset i have been to mcconnell saet's

  • @burntoutelectronics
    @burntoutelectronics Před 6 měsíci

    1:43 I'm going to miss the A class trams! After living in Melbourne for two years I finally spotted one that still had a comeng plate on the stairs, although it was upside down. I take it this photo is of one coming into stop just after Vic gardens?

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Yes I'm going to miss them to! Yep it's the stop beyond Vic Gardens.

  • @Waterfront32
    @Waterfront32 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I like the more modern design that reflects the next generation of trams in Melbourne. I believe Yarra Trams should have 100 G Class trams like the first design shown. Then another order should be purchased with the longer sections known as the G2 class.

  • @CPTE5069
    @CPTE5069 Před 7 měsíci

    YEEEESSSSS!

  • @metaidentity
    @metaidentity Před 7 měsíci

    We need to call this the Hapsberg Jaw class

  • @Hazz22
    @Hazz22 Před 6 měsíci

    This is unrelated to the actual video, but I was wondering if a Comeng train would have ever passed through the new Rosanna Station? I know that Comeng trains stopped regularly running on the Hurstbridge line around late 2017, and the new Rosanna Station opened not long after that, but I'm still unsure

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Only once or twice! There was at least one occasion where a Comeng ran to Hurstbridge for testing in the middle of the night after 2018.

  • @Isxiros100
    @Isxiros100 Před 3 měsíci

    As someone with mobility issues, I'm not a fan of the raised seats. I don't use a wheelchair but for elderly people and people like myself, id rather priority seats be flush with the floor

  • @darylcheshire1618
    @darylcheshire1618 Před 7 měsíci

    the location of the depot on route 82 is interesting as the Kennett government wanted to withdraw route 82. Not sure why it never happened.

  • @davidsh8727
    @davidsh8727 Před 7 měsíci +1

    How many seats will it have? So far the W class had more seats than most of the newer trams.

  • @DanielDiaz-um1xd
    @DanielDiaz-um1xd Před 7 měsíci +1

    If this has problems with the curves on the 82 (leeds into Hopkins etc) then i shall laugh (and i still want trams back on Spencer turning into flinders!)

  • @turtlelazers476
    @turtlelazers476 Před 7 měsíci

    Seems like a very cool new tram but will miss the old look of the z’s and a’s when they get removed… maybe one day Melbourne could try making more rolling stock with the top sticking out like the z a or b?

  • @victorianrichard8097
    @victorianrichard8097 Před 6 měsíci

    82 is our home tram network system tram 😂

  • @marcelinenolan6284
    @marcelinenolan6284 Před 7 měsíci +3

    do you know what if there is a built in ramp to deploy for street level stops for wheelchairs? the earlier released planning doccuments seemed to imply that it would feature all the modern accessibility features available on the model and several overseas iterations feature it.
    would be quite disappointing if they chose not to include it, as less than 30% of stops are raised platforms so similar new low floor trams phasing out the A's and Z's don't help much for 73% of the current stops network

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +2

      There is a ramp (it's in the grey vertical cabinet next to the articulation, visible straight ahead at 04:19 ) but I was told it will be for emergency evacuation only unfortunately.

    • @marcelinenolan6284
      @marcelinenolan6284 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@Taitset damn that is a shame. other models of this tram have a ramp that slides out from inside the floor to meet the street level.
      it's a shame that we keep failing to meet accessibility commitments when wheelchair users like me are far more likely to need public transport due to the difficulties of transferring between a chair and a car seat while packing the chair into the car.
      we were supposed to have 100% tram stop accessibility compliance by last year, and 100% tram fleet accessibility by 2032 which is also unlikely to happen at this rate.
      feels like we are just being left by the wayside again with infrastructure even when tram ramps would help put a bandaid on the problem it still isn't done

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@marcelinenolan6284 Yes it's really disappointing that this isn't being made more of a priority!

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      @@marcelinenolan6284 "other models of this tram have a ramp that slides out from inside the floor to meet the street level. " I hate to tell you this but these ramps will not work at our safety zones. They also won't get wheelchairs over gutters. So in a lot of cases, platforms are the only solution.

  • @weirdpringleschip
    @weirdpringleschip Před 7 měsíci +2

    Bro why does thing tram look like handsome squidward 💀 😂 😭

  • @shaunclarke94
    @shaunclarke94 Před 7 měsíci

    What's the go with the blank white looking desto? Is that a viewing angle thing or just displaying white at times due to not being driven with the right content?
    As for the timber seats, I honestly thought it was just for quick fabrication for prototyping. Timber feels like a terrible choice for being vandal resistant.

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I think the desto is just overexposed in some shots.

  • @doctorno3912
    @doctorno3912 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Am I the only one who finds the front end of this tram absolutely hideous.
    Looks aside great video mate.

    • @samsam21amb
      @samsam21amb Před 7 měsíci +4

      I think the front of the design prioritised safety over form which I think is a good thing since most trams are street running with mixed traffic.

  • @mattaustin2128
    @mattaustin2128 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Really interesting and informative video, thanks Martin. As someone who moved away from Melbourne in the mid 90s, I’m still getting my head around just how far things have come, so this video really puts things into perspective. And of course, I’ll be bitterly disappointed if the car doesn’t make accordion noises as it goes around corners!
    Is your generation list as follows? 1st gen - cable trams. 2nd gen - pre-MMTB four-wheel and maximum traction trams. 3rd gen - W series trams. 4th gen - 1041 and the Z trams. 5th gen - A and B trams. 6th gen - C, D, and E trams. 7th gen - this new type.

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +2

      I think their logic was:
      1 - Horse/cable trams
      2 - early electric
      3 - W
      4 - Z/A/B
      5 - C/D
      6 - E
      7 - G
      Personally I think I'd split early electric into 4-wheel and bogie, and I kind of feel like the E and G should be combined despite the various advances on the G. Though that still gets to the same overall number!

  • @Well_She
    @Well_She Před 7 měsíci

    News: New G-Class on the way.
    Me: okay but what does Taitset think of it…

  • @guaxary
    @guaxary Před 6 měsíci

    Still nothing for bikes? Do we know why?

  • @TrainFan21907
    @TrainFan21907 Před 3 měsíci

    WHY ARE THEY REPLACING THE A AND Z CLASS TRAMS. THEY ARE ONE OF MY FAVOURITE TRAMS

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 3 měsíci +1

      Because they're 40 years old, very low capacity, and not wheelchair accessible.

  • @handyandyaus
    @handyandyaus Před 7 měsíci +1

    Will these cars be able to coupled to form sets? The E class can but don't.

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +1

      It wasn't mentioned, but I doubt it.

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 7 měsíci

      I doubt the G1 trams will be coupled together. Their designs has been inspired by the B Class trams which have shown to be good people movers across the networks, hence the G1's being shorter than the E (3 segment) trams.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      @@chrismckellar9350 The B class trams were originally intended to run in coupled pairs some of the time. In fact, a coupled set of three section G class trams seems preferable to the five section one I have seem illustrated.

    • @chrismckellar9350
      @chrismckellar9350 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Myrtone - B Class has shown their versatility to be used anywhere on the network. The G's are in essence the B's replacement as the G's will have the ability to be used anywhere on the network.
      Yes, I know the G's will also replace the Z3's and A's and possibly the C's.
      The proposed second batch of the G's which could be 4 or 5 segment sets will replace the D's as the C's & D's are not designed and built for the operating conditions of the network.
      The E's & G's are the new Melbourne Tram specification.

  • @ForTheBirbs
    @ForTheBirbs Před 6 měsíci +1

    Did I see halogen headlights? Sureely just for display. There are things called LEDs now....😅

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 6 měsíci

      The headlights would be just dummy fittings, I'm not sure what the final plan is there.

  • @francoisvankempen
    @francoisvankempen Před 4 měsíci

    Gotta say, really not a fan of how little seating there is compared to the z class. For inner city routes it makes sense, people hopping on and off constantly, but the 82 needs seats, not standing room.

  • @timmo971
    @timmo971 Před 6 měsíci

    Looks good I guess. I still would love to see exterior design nods to the W class but with a modern twist. It also occurs to me that Melbourne really does have a lot of prior and present experience with EV construction and it’s a shame it’s not extended to the car market which if done right could make up for the huge loses from GMH, Ford and Toyota etc shutting down Aussie car manufacturing.

    • @NoManDetected
      @NoManDetected Před 6 měsíci

      they should just upgrade the suspension of it

  • @HorseWithNoUsername
    @HorseWithNoUsername Před 7 měsíci

    4:22 You've got a head like an old train!

    • @wesleyrobledoOnyt
      @wesleyrobledoOnyt Před 14 dny

      that a way people censor their faces just adding an image (mostly a black box) on their heads...

  • @stuew6
    @stuew6 Před 7 měsíci

    Also same streetcar that Toronto TTC used

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      Both came from Bombardier but they are very different models, with different configurations.

  • @shootinputin6332
    @shootinputin6332 Před 7 měsíci

    You missed why they would use 'G' if it was associated with a word. That word would be 'Green', as in Green energy. Signalling that it uses 40%+ less energy per passenger.

  • @deviousjupiter8606
    @deviousjupiter8606 Před 7 měsíci +5

    very cool! how did you get invited to that workshop?

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +7

      There was a fan of the channel on the team 😉

    • @deviousjupiter8606
      @deviousjupiter8606 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@Taitset ha, lucky!

    • @bigmart932
      @bigmart932 Před 7 měsíci

      @@deviousjupiter8606 invite yourself over lol, 130-38 link road, tullamarine, victoria

  • @dulcinealee3933
    @dulcinealee3933 Před 7 měsíci +1

    love the footage of the "wobbly" tram towards the end of the video.
    Not keen on the wooden paneling which in Melbourne would be prone to vandalism but an opportunity for any politicians celebrities visitors from overseas to put their mark on like an international visitors book. Great opportunity to christen the first tram on the tram line

    • @tonyrobb8815
      @tonyrobb8815 Před 6 měsíci

      A real display board for the vandal to apply his "art"

  • @hamesparde9888
    @hamesparde9888 Před 7 měsíci

    I like the older trams on the network more than the newer ones.

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 Před 6 měsíci

      @@user-di7ww6pm3c I don't give a crap about your petty complaints. I'm talking about ascetics and the way the city feels. I'm talking about something transcendent. You can live in your bug man city with it's fast efficient trains that look like giant condoms. It will be even more deracinate than the city currently is and you may not know why you feel a sinking emptiness inside, but this will be one of the reasons.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      Yarra trams is not a museum service.

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Myrtone that doesn't mean he trams have to be incredibly ugly!

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      @@hamesparde9888 My point was missed, only a museum service would keep around older trams for nostalgia.

    • @hamesparde9888
      @hamesparde9888 Před 4 měsíci

      @@Myrtone it's not a museum if it has a practical use other than nostalgia. That's not a museum.

  • @ambrite
    @ambrite Před 6 měsíci

    Why do the screens still all have white backgrounds ☹️☹️☹️
    They make other aspects accessible but the screens are still so hard to read

  • @Rhubarb2
    @Rhubarb2 Před 7 měsíci

    Gee Whiz!

  • @MrCraiglicious
    @MrCraiglicious Před 6 měsíci

    Excuse my naivety but may I ask , as a new resident to Melbourne , why is the tram under strict tight security hidden in a warehouse?

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 6 měsíci +1

      I assume they just don't want people coming and poking around, given it isn't on public display.

  • @tabuoey
    @tabuoey Před 5 měsíci

    i was gonna say the front is ugly but we really need that safety improvement with how many pedestrians walk directly in front of oncoming trams

  • @freeagent8225
    @freeagent8225 Před 6 měsíci

    Melbourne, the city with the biggest tram network😅.

  • @Melbourne-transport-vlogs
    @Melbourne-transport-vlogs Před 7 měsíci

    Where do you see it?

    • @bigmart932
      @bigmart932 Před 7 měsíci

      130-38 link road, tullamarine, the bollore logistics owned warehouse where Alstom's put their mockups, including the xtrap 2.0

  • @jimpikoulis6726
    @jimpikoulis6726 Před 7 měsíci

    You're lucky to receive an invite as I've been searching for the mail for it. So, at a secret location 🤔 I wonder if it is the kind of I'll tell ya but have to kill ya to disclose the location.

    • @Taitset
      @Taitset  Před 7 měsíci +2

      Yep it was all very cloak and dagger, I was blindfolded and bundled into a dark van.

    • @jimpikoulis6726
      @jimpikoulis6726 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@Taitset 😅😅😅😅😅

  • @timallardyce1216
    @timallardyce1216 Před měsícem +1

    Looks fantastic!
    Can't wait till they get rid of those pieces of crap C and D class, (though I note you said they would replace Z and A class first, which is ok as I hate the A class too). I hate both of them, just awful trams. Except for the Bumblebees, they are a bit better

  • @Rheilffordd
    @Rheilffordd Před 7 měsíci

    Hopefully you don’t set a trend of Railway CZcamsrs vandalising PT with “Subscribe to….” 😜

  • @Swingingbells
    @Swingingbells Před 7 měsíci

    Beluga whale tram!

  • @jimpikoulis6726
    @jimpikoulis6726 Před 7 měsíci

    Drop it like a G

  • @TrainsUpTheTrack
    @TrainsUpTheTrack Před 7 měsíci

    the new tram looks bad but good vid!!

  • @mxr572
    @mxr572 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Toronto has similar trams. slow travel on car congested streets. old PCC cars were better.

    • @Myrtone
      @Myrtone Před 4 měsíci

      Different model from the same supplier.

  • @mxhddr
    @mxhddr Před 7 měsíci +3

    While the wood by itself is nice, I don't think it goes well with the bright green.

    • @samsam21amb
      @samsam21amb Před 7 měsíci +3

      I personally think the wood looks amazing and really matches well with green but we all have our differences of opinion though.

    • @kerronwalker1589
      @kerronwalker1589 Před 7 měsíci

      I agree the wood and green dont go. Especially this shade of green it's to commercial and the wood evokes nature which this colour doesn't look natural at all and to be honest even the orange doesn't look great.

  • @jackpubbo
    @jackpubbo Před 7 měsíci +2

    Victoria is making their own trams and Sydney are buying shitty trains from overseas countries, messing up the order so it doesn’t fit the platforms

  • @weirdpringleschip
    @weirdpringleschip Před 7 měsíci

    Gigachad tram 💀 look at dat chin