The Star Wars Iceberg: Explained
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:46 Level 1 - The Sky - Luke
7:40 Level 2 - Tip of the Iceberg - Saesee Tiin
11:39 Level 2 - Surface Level - Bib Fortuna
19:03 Level 3 - The Shallows - Strand-Casts
23:07 Level 4 - The Depths - Sy Snootles
28:55 Level 5 - Edge of the Iceberg - Lumpawaroo
33:13 Level 6 - Dark Waters - Abeloth
36:28 Level 7 - The Abyss - Bpfasshi Dark Spirit
38:46 Beyond
48:18 Outro
Intro/Outro by my main man, C C - / @mrcar-los7625
Music:
General Kota (The Force Unleashed)
Glory, The Galactic Republic - (SWTOR)
Coruscant, The Capital - (SWTOR)
Corellia, The Shipyards - (SWTOR)
Tatooine, The Desert Sands - (SWTOR)
Dromund Kaas, The Seat of Power - (SWTOR)
Korriban, The Homeworld - (SWTOR)
Kreia (KOTOR II)
Tenebrae, The Dark Lord of Many Faces - (SWTOR)
Aboard the Star Forge (KOTOR)
The Jedi Academy (KOTOR II)
Ambience - Light Side (KOTOR II)
And shoutout to my friend Khrysaetos for helping me identify all the reptiles on Dagobah! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Ah dang, looks like someone beat me to making an explanation for this one by a few days. Check out Wendigoon's video here, he's got some stuff wrong but he has some details I didn't know: czcams.com/video/QULAFTwul3M/video.html
Edit: He's also found and linked the original posting of the iceberg, so credit to /u/Cnidaria45: www.reddit.com/r/IcebergCharts/comments/hz7l8t/conspiracy_iceberg_for_star_wars/
What a great video. I will have now a ton of material to dug myself into...
Final score: Luuke/Luke
Bro, what an excellent video. You really didn’t have to credit me but I appreciate it. This is a great video my guy.
@@Wendigoon It's my pleasure dude, I'm glad you liked it! You did a great job as well!
What about old republic? Didn't they say the crystals were alive?
@@Sombraptor 11:45 Rebel Propaganda would be the special editions ending scenes where every system was celebrating the Empire’s defeat and the Death of the Emperor. In the original cut those scenes didn’t exist so the common people in the Star Wars universe would of favoured the Empire in the War, but the Special Editions came out and put the People hated the Empire wanting the Rebels to Win.
Hold up Han Solo went to earth and was discovered by Indiana Jones? This is the most ambitious crossover in history.
Yep! Its not a bad read.
In legends heck yeah
You can play as Indiana jones in Lego star wars the complete saga or some lego star wars game
Heard about this some time ago, but never made sense to me. If it's in a galaxy a long time ago far far away, how the hell did he find our galaxy at a time Indiana Jones existed without introducing time travel?
@@NKWTI maybe through time dialation? Or it took a long time to get here, because it's so far away?
In canon, it turns out that R5 does actually intentionally sabotage himself as a way to let R2 take his place, but not because he was force sensitive, but rather because R2 made him aware of the weight of his mission, and basically convinced him to sacrifice himself. So the takeaway is that R5 is the main character of the Hero's Journey.
Source: Star Wars: From A Certain Point of View
That makes much more sense. I love certain parts of legends but some of it was just random for the sake of random
or an Incarnation of a God from Islamic Mythology?
@@baggieboydan82well that’s why it’s “legends” it’s meant to be more far out and crazy. That’s why many people like it
"We have to go deeper" and finish our joint Clone Wars video
Damn right ner vod, damn right
;( When?
In every iceberg video I’ve ever watched, nothing at the bottom ever truly felt like it was the “deepest” it could go.
When I reached The Fourth Precept, my mind was blown away. *Bravo.*
I think that's because we all naturally expect something earth shattering at the bottom, some big secret that isn't just some inane and unsupported theory. We as humans want a deeper meaning in things, like the meaning of life or whatever, and that applies in more ways than that, such as with iceberg videos. This is also likely why people sometimes add things to icebergs that don't exist ti make it seem deeper, or why people keep expecting everything to be a conspiracy.
And that part wasn't even on the list!
I have spent a lot of time thinking about the fourth precept, but I never realised there was this possibility of a reference in rebels. PROVIDED this was actually the case, this would bring me to the following conclusion. If we return to the discussion about Mortis, especially the Clone wars episode where Anakin is deemed the chosen One by the Father, this could mean that he was to take the fathers place after (dying and) becoming one with the force.
Now, The final page of the Fourh Precept could mean that all these conflicts leading to distruction can only be stopped by the Three (father, son, daughter of mortis), bringing balance to the force. As stated before, one may suggest that Anakin has taken/is to take the spot of the father. Another interesting point is that Ashoka was the first one to use the "World between the worlds", possibly created directly by the three of Mortis. So maybe she was chosen to take the spot of the daughter (who represents the light). So now we only lack the person who was chosen to take the place of the son, so that Anakin (father), Ashoka (Daughter) and ??? (Son) can restore balance... This could be either Luke or Obi Wan, although the son represents the Dark, so it might be worth considering mace windu.
And what eventually happened, they all together morphed themselves into Rey during the fight with Palpatine in Episode 9, using her as a "tool" to restore the balance.
This are just my thoughts, feel free to enjoy them or laugh at me
@@silashug3925 this is amazing
@@silashug3925 So Asoka is a pretty good representation of the light side that ignores the jedi, as she works toward the deeper meaning of the light side. Anakin was of course both, light and dark, so what we need is a dark side user that sought the deeper meaning of the dark side than the sith. Just my thoughts.
Lucas: Star Wars is just a space western with laser swords.
Martiniere: * 𝙵 𝙾 𝚄 𝚁 𝚃 𝙷 - 𝙿 𝚁 𝙴 𝙲 𝙴 𝙿 𝚃 *
I was never that bothered by the real-world expressions like "see you in hell" used in Star Wars. Their entire language isn't even English; it's Basic. We're just seeing a "translation" of their "actual" dialogue, and to English-speaking audiences, these expressions fit the ideas being expressed.
It’s not a translation if it’s the same language. Galactic Basic is just English. But certain words have changed meanings because the dialect is different. For example: Blast is a swear word. However, there is no way for us to know that hell has a different meaning in the Star Wars universe.
@@Dualis58 no other languages from Earth appear in Star Wars, why should we assume that Basic is the same as English?
i thought it was a case of translation. in some other languages, there’s no direct translation to english phrases but there are equivalents.
@@stevenbobbybills Jabba language is the only example of real life language other than English, actually It's just mix of real life languages other than English. One of them is Polish. And as Polish guy I can tell you in Jabba language Jabba species is called żaba meaning a frog 🐸
@@Dualis58 Tolkien wrote a lot about this kind of topic (unsurprisingly). It makes more sense for the language to be a translation from an unknown language into English - and therefore using similar phrases in place of those that are untranslatable. Also, it's pretty much impossible for it to be actually (American) English
19:08 This refers to how the members of the Trade Federation are similar to crew members on the Enterprise in Star Trek.
Could you elaborate on this?
@@nb5437 The species of Nute Gunray, the neimoidians are supposedly named after Leonard Nimoy, who is known for playing Spock in Star Trek. This is what came to mind when I heard about this.
I agree
So wait... Mr. Plinkett actually picked up on some nuance in the prequels? Astonishing.
Ikr he’s so stupid for not knowing that.
I think boba fett being Luke’s mother comes from mark hamill suggesting it to Lucas and George Lucas being George Lucas he said “yeah alright, or we’ll see”
No it's because me and anakin had an affair and I really am lukes mother
@@skinnyj123 this true boba?
@@TheDaftRam I can confirm
Whilst no doubt a humorous, and possibly workable idea, given the abundance of stories where 'badass warrior turns out to be female' or 'masked hero's sister or wife dons the hero's garb', including Leia disguising herself as a tough-as-nails male bounty hunter, I can say that according to the novelization of A New Hope, written by George Lucas and Alan Dean Foster a year before the movie, Luke's mother was on Alderaan when it was destroyed; it's heavily implied that Luke's a foundling prince according to the standard mythos of the era. Mind you, I prefer this idea over Fett being a clone. It adds a lot to Vader's and Fett's interactions. By the way, Fett. Do you have a sister, or is the Master Chief related to you in any way?
@@3mpt7 yeah master chief is my great grandfather and my sister is called Regina fett but we had to fight to the death for jango's approval and I won
One of my favourite deeper topic is that of Boba Fett original background and the leaked story of 1313 being that the man behind boba fett armour isn't actually him.
OMG, this was a waste of 48 minutes, there is more in the comments than in the video!!! This guy barely is aware of the iceberg and his own interpretations are that of a 5 year old, what the fuck?!?!
I always had a feeling that it wasn't Boba, I always expected him to look and sound like Temeura Morrison in the game
@@jamellnewhoryzonz1669 like you would've done better
Isnt 1313 the cancelled sw game
@@00_Wrld It is
you have singlehandedly helped me enjoy Star Wars again
college sucks. stay strong
Something I'm surprised you didn't mention was the mysterious L. Burner. The background character from the Endor mission in RotJ that has been retconned to be Rex is uncredited in the movie. The only reliable connection of an actor's name to the character is a polaroid from production labeled "L. Burner". There's a thread on wookieepedia from a user claiming to be the actor's first cousin. The user explains that Lynn Berner from Klamath (whose name is misspelled on the polaroid) owned the land that the Endor scenes were shot on and that he was given the role in exchange for use of the property. The story is completely unverified but it's still an obscure piece of Star Wars lore that isn't all that difficult to find. It's also worth noting that Berner reportedly didn't have white hair, but rather very fair blond hair, almost bleached looking. Seems reminiscent of a certain clone captain who bleached his hair white.
the character was actually Nik Sant
Looks like Filoni planned this retcon from the very begginng, before the Clone Wars Movie was ever released.
@@LukiKruki No
Dude, just look at the video you made and constantly remind yourself what you are able to achieve. I really hope that your anxiety issues will fade eventually!
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate that
exactly man this is incrediblee
The additional concepts at the very end were also crazily interesting and new to me, someone who also considers themselve a walking star wars encyclopedia
Very well done bro
Thanks dude, you did good on your vid as well!
The man himself!
There are two certainties in life:
Death.
And *boba fett underoos*
There is a canon R5-D4 story that shows him blowing his motivator on purpose because he spoke with R2-D2 while they were on the Sandcrawler together and R2 told him about his mission
No, there isn't. If your referring to the comic I'm thinking you are, it isn't and never was canon, and the idea it ever was needs to be thrown screaming into a fire.
@@papapalps2415 I am referencing a story in the short story collection From a Certain Point of View that was released for the 40th anniversary of A New Hope and it is canon
@@lukekersten3421 Oh, God, that's actually a thing in the new Canon? Jesus. Its like they are trying to purposefully pick as many of the worst aspects of Legends as possible.
I just read that story last night! It’s very sweet.
Wasnt R5-D4 force sensitive in legends and sensed the importance of R2?
I think "Naboo Ducks" may also be referring to Captain Panaka declaring, while trying to run the TF blockade in TPM, "If we can't get the shield generator fixed, we'll be sitting ducks!" Since ducks hadn't been seen in the films before, and were easy to miss in TPM, I suspect some fans saw it as an example of orphaned etymology and/or ran with it, declaring ducks were a species exclusive to Naboo.
I haven't seen it anywhere other than on the iceberg itself, but "Virgin Shmi vs Chad Vader" is probably playing on the whole virgin birth angle as well as the Chad Vader, "virgin vs chad" meme angles.
that Naboo ducks one was funny as hell
Chad Vader brings me back to the early days of CZcams
"Original editions never existed" might refer to something that's been on my mind for a while - what different people consider the "original" version of Star Wars can vary significantly. There are discrepancies between the different prints sent out to different theaters, the mono and stereo versions, the wide releases, international, VHS, laserdisc, initial rereleases in the 80s, etc etc. Therefore, fan attempts to recreate the "original" Star Wars are impossible, because what the "original" really is depends on who you ask. Two different Americans who both saw the movie on it's original release in 1977 would disagree over the changes.
Its more or less comes down to our brain being bad at remembering details so we start to fill in the gaps ourselves. Hence why people remember things differently and why two people who tell their retelling have differences in what they remember
@@vDeadbolt or it's some sort of Mandela Effect where we either are remembering things that didn't happen or we actually saw something that very few people actually saw. For example, back in 2003 my Uncle brought home Attack of the Clones from the Blockbuster he used to manage and I recall seeing a scene with a silhouette of Anakin slashing the Tusken's Lizard Dogs with the sun rising and The Arena/Jedi Temple March playing. But years later in 2006 when I actually got the 6 movies on DVD, I never saw that scene and that scene hasn't been seen since.
@@dtxspeaks268 the biggest culprit of the Mandela effect is what my initial response is.
Your brain being bad at remembering things.
@@vDeadboltmy bad for replying back a year late.
But while your statement is true, there are still instances where things you saw probably.did exist at point.
@@dtxspeaks268 yeah. Your brain tries to put pieces together. Your brain sucks at remembering things and is pretty biased.
"Rebel propaganda" also mentions that there's much more troopers on the death stars pursuing the rebels, such as in that famous scene where Han Solo pulls that Leroy Jenkins on the troopers to find a hangar full of them
So as someone who has read the Eragon books (aka the Inheritance Cycle), I would agree that their story is very close to that of Star Wars, beyond simple Hero's Journey parallels. Its worth keeping in mind that Paolini started writing the books when he was something like 14 or 15 and, as much as I enjoyed them as a teenager, the writing shows it - especially when you compare the early books to the later books in the series where Paolini had matured as an author. When you take that into account it makes sense that a nerdy teen writing a story would heavily borrow elements of stories they like.
But here's a list of SW parallels that I can recall off the top of my head not having read the books in many years. Spoilers for the Inheritance Cycle (obviously).
- Main hero raised by aunt and uncle in rural village.
- Receives important object (a dragon egg) after a rebel princess teleports it away when she is captured.
- Hero mentored by an old man who was once part of an ancient order of warriors that were wiped out by a traitor.
- Hero rescues princess from captivity and mentor dies in the process.
- In book 2, hero finds a new teacher who trains them in the finer points of the warrior order.
- Also book 2 has an "I am your brother!" moment, where hero learns of his dark lineage. Later subverted in book 3 when it is revealed that, in fact, Obi-Wan had been boinking Padme.
I'm sure there are other parallels but I haven't read the books in a long time.
The Holiday Special must have been re-aired at some point, i have a bootleg copy, (yes, i realise they're all bootleg copies), with an ad break, & one of the ads is for the 2nd Rambo movie, meaning it must have been reshown, at least once, some time in the mid 80s.
DONT LOOSE THAT
@@M-rw7gc ok, I won't loose it. I won't lose it either. it's on vhs though, & I don't have a player, so it's practically lost to time.
I think the Overlords refers to the crazy Legends theories about the Mortis arc lining up with the events of the movies, and possibly how the events of the arc influenced the future. And also possibly to the theory that the 'Father' is Anakin's father (which is why there is no mother in the Mortis arc)
Abeloth
@@Mael_Str0M why? Just because she's also a cosmic entity that's a woman? How does she line up with the Mortis Arc?
@@ultrabigfella she served as the mother of the daughter and son before her transformation
@@ultrabigfella she was the non force sensitive step mother of the mortis children and she drank from the Well of the Force turning her into a true cosmic horror that devours the force. The Mortis gang then trapped her in the maw using centerpoint station and the killiks
Kotor music for the bottom of the iceberg? so im not the only one thinking that this game soundtrack had something to it...
Can you tell me the name of that soundtrack?
@@luulasmene7786 Pretty sure that was from SWTOR not KOTOR. If we're talking about the same track, it sounds like "Korriban, The Homeworld" from Star Wars: The Old Republic.
I watched Kreia's video and the The Jedi, the Sith are trapped in a vicious cycle of destruction and reconstruction.
I mean, yes. That's not really surprising. Its not even so much the Jedi and Sith specifically so much as its dark side users and light side users, or even more broadly, the Light and Dark Sides. You could argue its the same thing in real life. While obviously things are infinitely more complicated and gray here on our little blue globe, the idea of neither "good" nor "evil" being defeatable (without everyone dying, I suppose) seems clear.
@@papapalps2415 Yes... The story of never ending...
Did my own research (lazily), here are some corrections:
Extended Editions are Rebel Propaganda: another piece of evidence is the SE's inclusion of people celebrating on homeworlds that wouldn't benefit much from the empire falling, such as Coroasant.
Trade Federation ST: ST is actually Star Trek. Supposedly the species name "Neimoidian" is a reference to Leonard Nimoy, and the fact they're a villain group calling themselves a "Federation" of multiple different alien species is a subtle middle finger to Star Trek. More likely it's just a reference, even more so when you consider their original name was "S'hatnarian"
Star Wars City: Notable in that it is a *lost* movie, nobody's ever seen it. Why? Copyright issues from the name? Goverment Coverup? Or just no body caring?
Overlords: An species of aliens from the SF novel "childhood's end". They are said to resemble the classic human depiction of demons (red skin, horns, ect.), and *supposely* they're in the Catania scene from New Hope. I guess this is referring to the Devaronians? Who are...clearly not the same species. (Also the author of Childhood's End was most probably a pedophile who enjoyed watching naked kids get painted. Seriously.)
Gay Clones: The fact that none of the Clones have spawned children. Does this mean they're...all engineered to be gay?
Oh wait, except there ARE a few examples of Clones having children in the legends timeline. IIRC there was a comic about Boba Feet meeting the son of a clone who Jango killed. Not that Clones can't be gay. But the lack of children is probably more due to the fact they often...die before being able to bone women.
Reformation: I'm just going to quote the author here:
"The Prequel Trilogy is partially inspired by the Christian Reformation with the Galaxy as the HRE (and Europe as a whole), the Jedi as the Catholic Church, the Republic as the House of Hapsburg, Count Dooku as Martin Luther, and the Separatists as different German Princes (and the Dutch)"
(Source:www.reddit.com/r/IcebergCharts/comments/hz7l8t/conspiracy_iceberg_for_star_wars/fztxo59/?context=3)
TBH sounds like BS.
Two Suns In The Sunset. Name of a "sync", which is a fancy way of saying "Movies that go well with Albums" (I.E. Dark Side Of The Rainbow). Watch A New Hope with Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut" in the background, change to The Wall once the album ends. It fits, supposedly.
Virgin Vs Chad: Bad Joke.
Original Sequel Trilogy: You basically explained it, but it's worth noting that the entire Star Wars Saga (Journal Of The Wills) was originally 12 episodes. And then what made up the original trilogy was going to be 9 movies (with Luke no finding his sister or fighting the emperor till #7-9), then Lucas just went with 3.
All Episodes are the same: While it was probably a reference to "All Copies Of Mario 64 are personalized", there was an interesting essay I remember seeing (and I CAN'T find it again, which is annoying) an essay about how the parallels between the different movies (like multiple Death Stars) are deliberate, not the writers being lazy and reusing plot points. Like Poetry, It Rhymes.
Also, I'm bored, so here's some that I found out about myself that wasn't either in this video or the iceberg, Sombrapto may already know about all of these, but I figured I'd include them here for people who are interested:
Valérian and Laureline: A french comic that inspired Star Wars...A LOT. To the point where it's particularly plagiarism. I.E. At one point the male lead gets frozen in a block of icey stuff like Han was.
Prequels Redeemed: An Blog, written before the Sequels and the rise of Sequel Memes, all about the themes and subtleties of the Prequels, and why they aren't *that* bad. An interesting read! Nowadays the author uses it for other general film-related stuff, but the older posts are worth a look. prequelsredeemed.blogspot.com/
Gropher Grace cut: Famed Actor Gropher Grace has made an edit of the prequels that composes it into 75 minutes. It's never been released publicly, but there have been attempts to create something like it by fans. (See more here: www.slashfilm.com/topher-grace-edited-star-wars-prequels-85minute-movie/) Fan cuts are common, but ones by professional actors aren't. You'd think they would be too busy for that sort of stuff, but, Gropher isn't?
The Endor Holocaust: The Death Star exploded. Above Endor. Wouldn't the debris KILL all of the Ewoks when it came down? So thought Dr. Curtis Saxton, who made an entire website all about it in the late 90's detailing the scientific reasons why this had to have happened. Even with Then, it was acknowledged in canon...by being retcon'd as BS propaganda by imperial propagandists. The official canon is that the rebels stopped it with tractor beams and energy shields.
SuperShadow: An internet "informant" in the late 90's who ran a site detailed rumors about the upcoming episode 1. Strange rumors. Like that R2-D2 had the brain of a Jedi inside its carcass. He calmed these were TOTALLY true and that he was in contact with George Lucas. Got worse, as despite being proven to be totally wrong about episode 1, he returned to share more stupid "insider knowledge" about the prequels on his self-titled website. Including info for an Sequel Trilogy, which at the time was thought to be impossible bullshit. He went so far as to run "interactive" interviews with "George Lucas," where fans would give out theories, and "Lucas" would like them so much that he would make them canon. It's all bullshit. SuperShadow later quit the internet after Lucasarts called him out on the bullshit. The "rumors" are still fun to read for their total nonsensicalness, tho.
Chinese Comic: AustinMcConnell did a good video on this, but basically, it's a bootlegged comic adaptation of the New Hope, with very odd art, clearly drawn by people who never saw the movie, thus showing lots of weird details, like Vader standing triumphantly over a dinosaur, Obi-Wan riding on a motorcycle mounted with a rocket launcher, Leia with cleavage, and Vader trying to blow up Kennedy Space Center. Fantastic.
Grindhouse Cut: An fan edit of Episode 4 that turns the movie into a bloody and grim-yet humorous-exploitation fest, via turning the grain up by a ton, incorporating BTS gags into the plot (like Leia handling Luke beer), and adding tons of blood. It's a wild ride, that's totally worth a watch.
Star Wars On Trial: An non-fiction book composed of essays written by Science Fiction authors criticizing Star Wars for perceived anti-democratic themes, having a negative effect on the Science Fiction Genre, and superficial religious themes, among other problems. To let the readers decide for themselves, essays *defending* Star Wars are also presented, usually by EU authors. Worth a look for fans interested in analyzing SW on a critical level.
Star Wars is the reason the Hero's Journey is even popular: Quite a few people (such as myself), have argued that the Hero's Journey as laid out is an oversimplification of centuries of myths and folklore, with Campell often mangling or misinterpreting myths to try to fit into his strict view of mythical storytelling. Indeed, a *lot* of frequently cited examples of the Hero's Journey are things that were written after it was published. Including Star Wars, which was made around when its author was *alive*. This has led to the argument that the concept only became popular because George Lucas made an entire film trilogy around it when it was a brand new thing. People who grew up on Star Wars decided to base their heroic stories off of the Journey, learning it's what inspired Lucas (and assuming it's true), creating a feedback loop.
Return of the Ewok: An short mockumentary made by David Tomblin and Warwick David during the filming of Return Of The Jedi for fun, featuring the cast and crew of the movie playing themselves and/or their characters. It was considered to be used as a promotional film for Jedi by the cast, but post-production was never finished, and ultimately the film has never been shown outside of private viewings and limited fan convention showings. It remains lost outside of the few bits of footage released by Lucasarts, and bootlegs by fans. The plot concerns Warwick turning INTO an Ewok and going on a goofy adventure. For now, the closest we have is a fan creation cobbled together from the aforementioned sources.
@@crazyduplicate Absolutely FANTASTIC list, dude! You clearly know your stuff! I knew about a number of these, but a lot of these are new to me, I appreciate you sharing this!
@@Sombraptor you should pin this comment
Impressive most impressive
I don’t understand.
Why was ‘all episodes are the same’ redacted?
Ronald Reagan proposed a defence initiative called Star Wars during his time as president, which is where that documentary got its name.
Thanks for the video dude!
That fourth precept at the end there was trippy and interesting
ayyy thanks my man, I appreciate it!
i really appreciate this vid man! around two years ago i was really into sw and i desperately needed this refresher now that im back again. hope you have a great day!
21:55 Palpatine being responsible for Anakin's creation was also explicit in the rough draft of Revenge of the Sith.
33:30 Oh by the way, "Bith" pronounced "beet" in French literally means cock.
Damb
Hear me out on the 4th Precept. So, as per the Nameless Channel, this is a cycle. Light and dark always do battle and the light always has the deck stacked in its favor almost by default. This is the first panel. The second panel is showing that this conflict will always create horrors for those uninvolved (Think of the people of Naboo getting attacked for useless BS, the people of Taris being bombed) and it extends throughout the whole universe. Overall this represents the difficulty of combat in a foundational faith for the Jedi. Mahayana Buddhism offers forth 3 Pure Precepts: To do no evil; To do good; To save all beings. In the Third panel we see life, the creation of it is violent. The visage of death in the fourth panel while they continue to fight this cosmic battle follows the same mentality, regardless of this conflict, death will come. To end this, as the Omega symbol would dictate over the head of the person in the last panel, one must separate themselves from good or evil and simply follow the code, or as the nameless channel precludes, Let go. To defend oneself against the endless repetition you have to leave it to the Force to handle on it's own.
I'm familiar with nameless guy's ideas, and he's not very fond of Buddhism. His whole thing with the "let go" bit is that it dooms the Star Wars galaxy to permanent suffering and unfulfillment, since the Force is inescapable and compels people to deny selfish motivation. Because people have desire, they will constantly put the Force out of balance, and cause the wars in the title of the franchise. The Jedi Code is against humanity, in the sense that it(and the Force that it's meant to keep people in line with) serves to undermine the will of all of life(if it came to that) for its own "balance". I think he ends one of his videos with something like "That's the core of Star Wars, and I hate it". You can't just "let the Force handle it", because the setting is specifically written to be a constant conflict between the wants and needs of people and the will of the Force, which is inhuman(or inalien, or whatever the word would be) and has extremely little room for nuance especially when it comes to Force sensitives.
I like that interpretation as well. The the embodiment of the light side is to do as the force wills so maybe there's some weird hegelian/Kantian synthesis in that. If the force wills that there's a battle to be fought than one must do that, thus making the Sith being antagonistic directly to the jedi.
People keep bringing up Buddhism but honestly, I see more Biblical messages and inspirations from Star Wars than Buddhist or Taoist ideas.
you made such an entertaining video, i even brought my phone with me into the shower to keep watching ahaha. good shit man, keep up the good work and hope all is well with your anxiety and we’re always here for u 🙏
43:36 Damn I made that meme back when the last jedi was released
They had a whole ass cad bane boba fett arc, those are like my two favorite characters. The amount of times bane would have said ‘kid’ in his wierd ass voice would have made it worth it. Criminal
Shoulda done that one instead of the awful Martinez sisters ark.
Your explanation of the Fourth Precept makes a lot of sense, and is very well put. This was a great video!
I NEED more weird shit from Star Wars like the Fourth Precept and Supernatural encounters. It makes me uncomfortable but intrigues me. Where can I see more???
That's about as esoteric as SW gets, but just FYI, Supernatural Encounters is getting an updated release later this year!
@@Sombraptor #nut
There is something really unnerving and interesting about the fourth precept to me as well. Literally sets my heart racing and spooks the shit out of me every time I look at those panels or hearing about it.
@@BeskarDevil Same it’s so fucking horrifying but beautiful. And the midichlorians at the end…WHAT DOES IT MEAN??? Has anyone tried reaching out to the illustrator for comment?
45:51 holy shit. I honestly wouldn’t put it past Filoni to make a reference to something like that, especially when it ties into something as esoteric as The Ones or the world between worlds. Even if it’s just a coincidence it’s still a great connection, and I have to thank you for putting this on my radar. And now that I think of it, the title “star wars visionaries” reminds me of the upcoming “Star Wars visions” project, which sounds like it’s similar in concept to this book, except created by various anime studios, so I’m definitely excited for even more amazing visuals and more crazy, off-the-walls stories in that series
Edit: I just looked up “the fourth precept” and apparently it’s name-dropped in the visual dictionary for episode IX, it’s in one of the books that Rey takes from Luke, so that goes to show that at least someone on the story team hasn’t completely forgotten about it
Huge props for opening up at the end there. The message you send to anyone who struggles with similar issues, by both putting in the effort that you do despite these obstacles and openly speaking about them with confidence, is a very inspiring and comforting one. Love ur vids man
You showed me the interesting Fourth Precept, and now I'm probably gonna go down a rabbit hole to find wtf that means. Also, your content is amazing, keep up the good work!
One of the greatest Star Wars vid I have ever seen on the internet. Keep up the good work. Greetings from a continent far far away.
“Two Suns in the Sunrise/Set” is most likely a reference to how Tatooine has two suns
If that was the case, I doubt it would be that low down on the list.
May be a reference to a line in a Pink Floyd song. Which I always thought was reference a to uh star wars. Haha. Hey Roger Waters is a fan.
@@kylebookout1789 what song?
@@ulisesmanzo2558 It's on the album The Final Cut made in '83.
@@kylebookout1789 I always thought it was a reference to the WWII Empire of Japan. The flag was the rising sun. From the perspective of the US west coast there would be - 2 suns in the sunset.
Oh man, beyond level. I'm flattered haha.
You're a legend dude, I wish I had your ability to evaluate themes and philosophy and whatnot. Keep up making great videos!
@@Sombraptor This is sickening
"overlords" is probably a reference to the commonly used phrase "disney overlords"
I think they just accidentally referred to "The Ones" as "The Overlords"
On the note of Balance in the Force, for me it means that whilst both sides exist, they don't try to destroy each other.
In current canon, the Jedi have known about the Nightsisters of Dathomir for hundreds of years if not the full millennia since the wars against the Sith. Yet despite this, the Jedi have never made a move against the Nightsisters, and they only do so in the Clone Wars because Mother Talzin is about to start engaging in blood sacrifice to try and bring the murdered sisters back.
The Sith specifically stop the Force from having balance because they even destroy other Dark side groups such as the Nightsisters. That alongside the destruction of the Jedi and the Guardians of the Whills on Jedha is what has thrown the Force so far out of whack in my mind.
Or at least that's all my thoughts on the matter.
I have always headcanoned the Nelvana cartoons Droids and Ewoks as actual cartoons that exist in the Star Wars galaxy. I base that on how the Battletech franchise handled the 90's Battletech cartoon as in-universe propaganda
As a Turkish guy, you really did good on pronouncing "Dünyayı Kurtaran Adam". I was really surprised lol.
Really awesome video!!! Thanks for making an Iceberg video with ACTUALLY deep theories. A bit disappointed you didn't mention the 2003 Clone Wars on the first or second level (since it's semi-unknown and one of my favorite pieces of Star Wars), but a lot of this stuff I didn't even know about!
Not for much longer, it’s coming to Disney+ lol
I wouldn't say it's semi-unknown. But we don't watch it or hear it brought up as much as other movies and TV series.
@@danvseliseeven though I'd argue 2003 CW and the early 2000s CWMMP are better than TCW and the modern Clone Wars Lore when it comes to depicting the war and fall of the Republic
Awww i am so glad to see Escape from Dagu mentioned here. Shaak Ti is my favorite character and i was always so frustrated that an entire novel was completed starring her and was just never released. Ive always wished i could read it
Great video! Anxiety is a really tough monster to deal with but you clearly have a fighting spirit in you if youre putting out great content like this. Don't forget to take breaks: we'll always be here when you get back.
I absolutely love the little tangents you go on on some of the subjects like the astrocharts in relation to real world history, gave me a hearty chuckle and it's such well done humour, terrific video and best of luck with your college studies! Subscribed!
I consider myself a star wars fan but most of this video was brand new to me, this is video is insane, good job man!
of the three icebergs i've seen this was the best one, it didn't have the most details and it wasn't the longest, but it went the deepest, and despite the vast amount of star wars stuff i know i was completely lost a little over halfway through
How did I not discover this channel earlier! Thank you CZcams recomendation
as a trekkie myself (with few info about star wars lore but just enough to understand some aspects) i found this video so interesting! i never knew star wars lore had this much obscure and dark information, my mind was blowing off while watching those pages of The Fourth Precept, i totally have to check that out because that left me totally intrigued! what an amazing video you made! looking foward to see more!
You did a pretty nice job here, as someone who only delves in the movie side of starwars I learned quite a bit, also take good care your health is first be it physically or mentally and good luck with college Sombraptor.
I absolutely love how you expanded on the iceberg, amazing video
This video is incredible and I want to tell you to keep doing what you’re doing. The message you had at the end really related to me, I’d really like to see this content more because I looked at your channel and it hasn’t had a video like this in ages. You are really good with this kind of content and you sound like a very good person. Keep pushing man, it gets better.
Ah, star wars in 2015-2017, when every character in star wars was snoke.
Man the end really hit home with me. I loved this video. You know more about Star Wars then me and it was a great watch.
Hey man, really interesting video! So many wild theories I'd never even heard of. Thank you for putting this together.
I think the sasquatch thing also references the warnings being posted during the filming of rotj
Hey man, this is the first video I’ve seen of yours but I had a great time watching it. To your point at the end of the video about struggling with motivation I just wanted to say that it looks like you have a really great community here and lots of fans so keep up the hard work and I hope things keep getting better! Subbed
dude this was one of these only long iceberg videos i’ve watched that i was entertained all the way through. well done
Great work. Putting a piece like this together isn't easy to start with, so it's commendable that you did so while dealing with low motivation and anxiety. Thanks and keep it up.
The last seconds, please do seek support. There is value in seeking help, and you are not really alone. You're valued.
This was awesome! Enjoyed it with my morning coffee.
This is some of the best star wars deep lore content discussion ive ever seen! Great work!
I clicked on this video just to turn something on in the background while I did some work but was genuinely intrigued by some of the concepts you presented and how much work when into this video. I'll definitely be checking out some more of your videos soon.
This video was so enlightening! I never knew about some of the crazy stuff that was connected to Legends. I always knew Legends was a bit more deeper then Canon with how everything is connected in someway and there are greater powers within the galaxy and it is a bit more darker but I never knew of how deep it went.
I have always been curious by Esoteric themes within certain medias and after looking up Supernatural Encounters and other strange mystical sides of Star Wars I feel such a strange sensation seeing this new level to Star Wars. Thanks for making this video and showing folks like me a whole new side to Star Wars Legends.
I looked up "star wars iceberg" and there were 3 or 4 videos with this exact name from exactly 2 weeks ago
Edit: this is the longest one so i picked it
Amazing video, the OB1 and the Fourth Segment will haunt me till the rest of my days hopefully in a good way, and this helped me finish a star wars drawing for my dad, so, thank you!
This is BY FAR the best Star Wars Iceberg video!
Hey man, this was a great video
Good Video, you did a great job and it doesn’t matter when you post a video, we’ll be here so take your time dude. :)
I have a 25 min drive to work and I've been listening to your videos on the dive(both ways)... Keep up the good work
This was really interesting and informative. And I quite enjoyed your relaxing explanation and views. Good job.
12:50 hey the Eragon books are really good, bad Venn diagram
Thanks for this. I stopped paying attention to the lore when Disney reset the canon, but I'm definitely going to have a look at that Supernatural Encounters thing-I came up with some pretty wild headcanon for Wutzek back in the day.
Thanks for making this video! Super cool!
This is probably my favorite iceberg I’ve seen really great job!
Fantastic video! Keep em coming if time and your schedule allows it. Subscribed my friend!
I have also heard that during the writing of ROTS Lucas was thinking abt making Padme cheat on anakin with obi wan to add to his descent to the dark side
Really good video bro I watched the whole thing to the end. Keep your head up there’s people out here that love your videos. Keep going the path is never straight.
Great video, hope you're doing good brother. May the force be with you, always.
Love hearing about the creepy trippy side of Star Wars great video.
Oh my god, there's like a million self proclaimed Jedi in the UK, that's so cool lol
Yo dude this vid was AWESOME! Definitely would like to see more like it, loved your break down of everything. Learned a lot that I didnt know was out there. It’d be cool to hear more about ET’s correlation with Star Wars and what you were saying about Han’s relation to Indiana Jones! Loved the vid man, hope you keep it up.
And it's awesome guys like you which keep us going. Thanks for the video man.
I didn't know Palpatine killing Padme was a theory, I assumed he'd killed her to get Anakin to join him
Gonna be honest, an evil clone of Luke, even with context is still kinda stupid. They didn't even mention Luuuke, the good clone.
Also I believe the reason that boba fett had so much merchandise is because the suit looked cool, like super action figure cool.
Dang the effort put in this video is out of this galaxy! Loved it!!!
Great video! I had this playing in the background While playing JFO, and the message at the end, I hope you’re doing better now man :)
In the Star Wars book "From a certain point of view" they reference Teddy Bears. Which are named after Teddy Roosevelt from America. ON EARTH!
Teddy Roosevelt transcends universes and galaxies due to his extreme badassery
I'm fully willing to accept that Teddy Roosevelt is canon in the Star Wars universe
The Boba Fett killed Luke's aunt and uncle would theoretically work if Vader had ordered Fett to make sure there was absolutely no evidence left behind of what they were looking for, meaning that everyone he questioned he would have to kill. These were the plans the empire's ace card, after all, and Boba Fett's not one to disobey orders
This was an amazing video! Thanks for the hard work!
I nearly flicked this video off before the end, turns out it was the final couple of mins that made me sub. Hope youre doing well brother. 🙏
There’s a lost clone wars episode where Jedi have to fight the yuuzhan vong
Some of the fourth precept reminds me A LOT of the illustrations that accompanied old Alchemy treatises. Hell the name itself is really really similar to some of them as well. I wonder if it was meant to be a take on that and what early treatises on the study of the force maybe by the Whills themselves or some other early force using species performed.
Fantastic video my friend, was throughly entertained and informed. Wish you all the best.
This was great, and well done. Thank you! ❤️