Protracted Withdrawal: Neuroplasticity & Self-Regulation Retraining
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- Rock Steady: Healing Vertigo or Tinnitus with Neuroplasticity by Joey Remenyi amzn.to/3c5j4t1
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You just said something that will help people heal. The more we get back into our lives and not focus on the symptoms the more your brain and body will heal. The symptoms are like parasites you have to starve them out but not focusing on them at all. The parasites ( symptoms ) want you to keep them relevant by focusing on them 24/7. Very important. Keep going. Great job
It is sad but refreshing to hear about someone who has worsened symptoms because I get very worried.
I too am ALONE and understand!! Yes visual snow is a problem. We have been bombarded! Add old age (74) and loss friends/family and it is atrocious. Your videos are very valuable and I thank you! However as a veteran I say the understanding and care there is NIL and actually harmful. (I was in the ER the other evening because of dizziness and it was determined that I had “anxiety” and sent home even though I screamed BIND over and over 😢.). You are not sassy, just assertive. I am 14 months off after a short taper after taking Xanax for 40 years.
A nurse practitioner told me that the numbness in my feet and legs is just psychological and a psychiatrist told me I should have been finished with withdrawal in one week. Yes.
38 years meds and one week taper. Did they give you any advice
Please keep making videos if you want to, they are very educational and helpful. I find your strength contagious and you’ve opened my mind to different ways of healing. It’s soothing to hear your recovery.
I struggled with Xanax abuse a couple years back in college and didn’t feel right until about a year or so after I stopped. I still currently use Ativan (with a script).
You said at the end that these pills wasted 15 years of your life and while that may be true, you have also gained a perspective that only few have the strength of make it through.
And thank you for your service.
Thank you for the positivity! You’ve inspired me to do an updated video- TOMORROW!
So glad you shared this information, you've explained it beautifully! I could listen to you for hours, so please keep making long videos. I've been through losing a precious pet and it's horrific! Keep going, take care.
Dear Ange, I am so sorry for what you have been through with your dog's illness and passing, on top of what you already endure. You are truly incredible. And I know it is so hard. I am writing from New Zealand, just over 14 months meds-free; and also dealing with a life disrupted and dysregulated from medication harm.
I am just writing to say thank you for all you've done, and for keeping on, and for keeping on sharing. And also to wish you all the very best.
Thanks for sharing about the book - Rock Steady; and for relaying the concept. Thank you for giving me something helpful to try. I just made some notes/paraphrasing for my own record. It makes sense to me, and I'm going to look into this some more. thank you again.
Sarah, NZ
notes: Constantly monitoring and scanning how we feel. Meds make our bodies work differently. Our brains figure out how to work around that med (e.g. down regulate or up regulate), and then when the drug is gone, the brain has to work out how to adapt back to working without the drug.
When our brain focuses on the symptoms, is fearful of them, and then reverts to the learned response/reward our response - we're teaching our brain in a way that reinforces our symptoms and even exacerbates them we're actually teaching our body to do something that reinforces the symptoms.
The book recommends we can say 'it's no big deal' and we can look for what feels stable, and what feels good. What else do i feel? To have a curiosity about that. Consider it in a sensory way. That is what rewires the brain - towards what is working and can work more/better, and redirects it away from what feels wrong.
Find what feels good, and grow that. Feel your feet touching the ground. The only person who can do your neuro reprogramming is your own brain. Slowly walking back into our lives. Setting ourselves up for success. See, it's safe. You succeeded and that is your reward.
Thank you Ange.
Ahhh, you went through the same thing, the 24/7 dizziness and PPPD diagnosis. I am encouraged to hear you recommend these methods as helping even in withdrawal. I have this book on audible and im starting a course next week. I'm in acute PPPD, every day is impossible but im holding on. You got better!!! Thank you ❤❤❤
So sorry for your loss. I know how awful you felt I had to go through 4 losses each harder and harder. I truly feel for you
It’s strangely refreshing to hear someone else explain these crazy struggles that the average person couldn’t fathom. You are really tough even though you probably don’t feel like it. Glad I found your channel.
please know you arent alone, with best wishes.
Keep fighting, I was heavily sick for 6 years, I know how easy it is to feel like you are the exception to recovery but don't listen to your subconscious. I'm 100% healed now, my CNS/PNS isn't going through periods of shock, my GabaA and Glutamate receptors function normally. I had 126 different symptoms while recovering especially visual, from feeling my vision to grainy, and visual snow which was horrible. I'd also get this visual issue where it seem like light and the picture you get from. Sight was standing still as I was moving forwards it was freaky, Hallways would stretch, yellow and black spots... Visual disturbances was very scary. I'd see these white and sometimes colored patterns when my eyes were closed with the sensation of body following the patterns at night that just kept me up it was probably the worst out of all. I was on 31 different mind altering medications so I completely understand where you are coming from. I know how terrifying this is especially after hitting a duration mark and wondering "why am I still not better"? I am fully functional actually I feel much more better which I heard can happen where things that use to bother you before benzos does anymore.
Wtfff, you are a hero, what kept you moving?
I can't tell you how much I needed to read this, today, I'm 41/2 years off and in a horrible wave, this gives me hope!
@@hopefulinhell4577 What??
Do you completely healing 100%{now Im off 38months) still having tinnitus and not ok
@@ramraungthong822 Yes you heal. What kind of symptoms do you have? You should look into treating youre gut because that's the main reason for withdrawal.
I’m so sorry to hear what you are going through Ang. You’ve just lost the greatest source of love in your life, and the strain on your mind, heart, and body must be enormous. The grief must be so painful to feel and process. I’ve been following you for a few years now. I relate to your experience. I finished withdrawal 6 months after you. Take care, wishing you strength from Australia. ☺️🙏✅
When you tell doctor about your brain and your balance and how you see things in slow motion, what do they say? I’ve tried to explain this and they don’t understand this. I was taken off klonopin too abruptly 23 months ago and it’s ruined my life. My life is shot to hell. I can’t drive, cuz my eyes are dry as hell 24/7 for the last 23 months and feels like someone is gouging my eyes out, can’t cry from the dryness, constant brain pressure and pulsating nonstop I kid you not 24/7 since June 18 2022. I’ve lost pleasure and joy in everything I once loved. I know I’m brain damaged and there’s nothing that can be done about it. I’m constantly sleepy as if I don’t
Sleep ever although the first 14 months I was only sleeping 2 hours in 30 min broken up incriminates. Im constantly dizzy and off balance. All I want to do is lay on my bed or sit
Down all day. I was a person full of life and excitement. I use to drink coffee in the morning and be energized for the day. Now nothing takes effect. I’m a divorced mom of an 8 year old. My ex husband abused me to no end and is of no help to me. My son and I are very close to my parents so I have them for help. I lost my job due to this because my vision is shot, I lost sight of a student and can’t see
Worth ish now because of this medication damaged me
So in the bright ssa sun with no assistance supervising these big
Ssa students with special needs who are all bigger than me a student wandered off and I couldn’t catch him on my own.
I needed to hear this today! I’ve just discovered your journey and I need the resources you are sharing. What you have to say is SO IMPORTANT. Thank you for sharing it, and thank you for your service!
I’m so sorry for the loss of your beloved dog.
Awesome Angie. Thanks so much for this.
I'm so sorry Angie :( I know how important Joe was to you. Sounds like the stress put you in a little setback, you will be ok. Just take care of yourself more than ever right now. My thoughts are with you ❤PS you are not wrong. This is the same premise as TMS. People in chronic pain use this technique all the time. The idea is don't wait for pain to go away to live your life, live your life and the pain will go away. Keep doing this, its powerful!
How could anyone not appreciate this video? Thanks so much!
Ya
“What else do I feel?”. This is such groundbreaking stuff. I love it so much, Angie!!!
You are so awesome, Angie. Sending you much Love.
Thank u u dont know how much I appreciate hearing this i and making me feel so much more less alone
Angela, I think you are amazing! You are a good spokesperson and so relatable.
I'm so sorry, I really appreciate everything you share and wish you the best life.
This is great information 😘💞🙏🏻
That's a nightmare my friend 🥺 ,, you've been through a nightmare. I empathize because I ride my bike with my dog (chihuahua) on the handlebars. He's a 'service spirit'. I was helping with cleaning up a property with tons of dust and early morning coffee and sugary breakfast food, bean pancakes with 1/2 oat flour. The point is, I had an attack taking my dad to a flower shop for flowers--- for a deceased buddy of ours , no covid-19 , just natural causes. My attack was dizzy and confusion, soon as my restroom duty was done, I was weak for 2 days , had to recover, my blood pressure was a bit elevated, my oxygen just fine . I needed benzo withdrawal rest... Been off 3 or 4 , maybe 5 years.... Sorry for your loss. You hang in there. 8 gotta watch sugars and definitely no coffee for a bit. Oh ,just so you know what I ate night before was a onion soup powder burger with grass fed beef, salsa and chips. I eat salad all the time but rarely have beef nowadays. My punctuation is not fine ,but hopefully you or ANYONE can understand, this is hell guys 🧝👰.. it'll be 4 years off in July. Feels much longer.
Those service animals are something else 🥇
Was also taking creatine consistently to help at the gym. I was doing sooooo good at the gym, now lost all that water weight and maybe muscle,, after that flower shop day.
Thank you for this video😊
I’m so sorry for that heartbreaking loss. I had to put my two dogs down, one at the beginning of December and the other passed away in January. They were the same age as your sweet boy. It’s a devastating loss. Please be gentle with yourself and take whatever time you need to mourn and rest and find as much peace as you can. You are much loved by this community.
This is a really good video. Cheers from france
Bonjour!
Thanks. Good luck
My heart goes out to you over the loss of your beloved Joe. I dread the day that my best friend, Jackson, (10-year-old Shi Tzu) leaves this world. It so hard to imagine not having him here beside me and I pray that he lives another 10 years. I recently developed Tinnitus and found Joey's CZcams channel and binge-watched her videos and just watching her videos have helped me but I need to read her book! Thanks for sharing your experience with her book and program. I am so glad you found it and shared it with us.
Another great relatable video, thank you Angie, you make me feel i can take my life back, you give me a totally different mindset. 💙
19 months off ADs after 31 years and many failed tapers and I started watching this a few months ago and had to switch it off. My dog was 12.5 and was starting to have lots of ailments,and like you I'm on my own and he'd been with me all through the years of drugs and another taper and now protracted withdrawal, and I was starting to worry how I was going to cope without him if he left me. Now I'm watching it again and I had to let him go 2 months ago, and with my already intense neuroemotions that I was already experiencing , (have watched that video) this has been one of the hardest, stressful, most emotional periods of my life. How am I going to continue this shitty journey alone without him? Life,or death, doesn't wait around for drug withdrawal and recovery.
I’m so sorry for your loss. It is so hard on us. You give yourself time and you cry and you grieve and if/when you are ready to love a DIFFERENT animal, you do that. And you open your heart again and it can help. But we never forget the last one and how they helped us 💜
This is great stuff. Thank you😊
So very sorry about you’re sweet dog! What a loss😪🌹🌹
I am so sorry about the loss of your service dog. I lost my poodle of 17 years while in tolerance but did not know what was going on back than. He was my soul mate. I have never been so close to anyone or anything in my life. It has been many years but i still miss him so much. We were lucky to have those furry angels in our lives. Thanks for the information; i am going to check out the book. I think neuroplasticity is very important because we were given pills to deal with our problems and now that we are off the pills we need to learn healthy ways of dealing with stress. Btw; i have been feeling better since i have been doing high dose vitamin d3 because i was very low. If you haven't already, check your levels. We need vitamin d3 to make acetylcholine and we need that to heal the parasympathetic nervous system. Imo we need more than the average amount while we heal. It may not be a miracle cure but it can be a piece of the healing puzzle. It has really made a big difference for me. Thanks again Angela; you have helped me alot through the years!
SoundsTrue rocks. I started listening to their tapes when I was studying Analytical Psychology (Jung) to learn more about my psychotic episodes after extreme trauma
This is so classic Claire Weekes. It just takes so much more time with the drugs thrown into the mix. I’m surprised more with BIND, or whatever you want to call it, don’t practice the “face/accept/sit with it/let it pass” approach. Of course, we’re supposed to actually allow all of the feelings and the hell with it if it’s hard. Might not help with aka and severe pain, but for anxiety, it’s very, very effective for me. TMS and DRNS are the modalities du jour. I hope it helped you. It’s been 3 years since this video.
Im
Buying this book
Because of u thanks I definitely dont even go in stores
Sounds like a great book! I have employed a similar technique and also found it helpful. Oddly, I have also found relief from the opposite approach. If I'm in a safe place like my bed, I use the paradoxical intervention of consciously trying to go further into the anxiety. When I consciously try to increase the anxiety, it dissipates. It's vapor. Weird. I'm so glad this book is helping you!
The book mentions that! To not be afraid of feeling but be willing to feel everything. Even the “bad” stuff.
❤Thank you!! 🙏💝
i feel this so much thank you for sharing this. you detox and think ur out of the woods but ur not keep fighting
Dear Angie so sorry for the loss of your dog. It’s been my dogs and cat that have been helping me through this. Caring for them gives me a sense of normalcy. I also haven’t been to the store in years, just the pick up. I am totally alone so if I don’t do it my animals and I go hungry. Any type of movement literally sets off the adrenaline and dizziness for me. I need to get that book, hope I can read. Thank you so very much for your precious help. ❤️
I started doing the Gupta Programme (about 2 months now) to see if I can become more functional as Im quite protracted now. I think my severe DR and vision issues are due to to trauma from the withdrawal. I have noticed recently I am having days when my head pressure and DR is lighter and I think its due to the neurplasticity. All the best I hope it works for you.
Please make Videos more often!!!!
It’s very interesting
Almost 2000k.. Soon👍
Definitely felt that part of the always constantly wondering how we are going to feel each day. Symptoms: constantly focusing on how bad i feel ur so right!
It is really cool to see you reflect on these positive thoughts. Have you done more exercises, and have they been beneficial to you? It would be amazing to learn that you have seen some improvement! In any case, my heart goes to you!
What your talking about makes absolute sense.
Thanks for taking about it.
I hope what you are doing works for you.
Angie you are so great at speaking on this subject, you should really go on Dr. Phil to get the word out! So many people are clueless about this , I was until recently when went CT off ssri . We need people like you to get the word out on a National platform.
I'm trying!
Finished weaning off Effexor 8 months ago and suffering extreme fear and overwhelm. In worst moments it's panic about having to live.
It won’t always be like this. You’re still in the hardest part.
My exact symptoms right there
Sorry about your dog.. I would be brutally broken if it was my beast.. I've been burning and buzzing for over 5 years and I think it might be permanent brain damage.... Bless you and thanks for this video.. Feel for you.. This shit ain't no joke
This is great. I did DNRS and had huge results quickly and I’m now doing Gupta. Totally on board with neuroplasticity!!! Ps I played this for my partner who just developed vertigo and is going on medical leave. They said it was really good to hear someone else describe these exact sxs.
Did the DNRS help with drug withdrawal or do you mean just aniexty?
When you said "turn your phone off, turn your radio off" i panicked lol. When i walk i have to have my ear buds in with Spotify for this reason. Sounds terrifying af but I'm going to give it a shot
Baylissa says everyone recovers!!!
From more than 15 years expirience. So stay strong my friends?
Light is on the end of the tunnel and it's not the train it's beautiful life!!!!
Greetings from Vienna
Kosta
Have you looked into healing leaky gut? I've been at this for 5 years now. I think healing your gut is key to a lot of this. Candida is such a huge problem for many of us. Ashton mentions it in the manual as well.
Yes it’s not my gut
I always hate when there's a line at the supermarket I even bought a hard cap
Basically that books is saying to let go of fears much love my friend
I’m so very sorry about your friend ❤️😞 .... I know how you feel BELIEVE ME ! You are the only other person who took the equivalent of meds like me ! In short .... I was on 4 different benzodiazepines at once and 2 different ssri’s and snri’s! I was MEGA DRUGGED TO THE 3 ERD POWER !!! Any way I was going through the ‘’ protracted withdrawal ‘’ thing and I had Ben to the ER and hospital a BILLION TIMES! and like you I had the vision problems! The snow , unbalanced feeling, constant rocking feeling , seeing tracers and BAD vertigo! And PPPD !!! anyway I found out that I had something called vestibular migraines!!! When they hit you get something called Aurora in one of your eyes and anxiety feeling, rocking like your on a boat! The floor looks strange and the ceiling also! And tinnitus gets WORSE! and you get brain FOG ! I always thought it was the benzodiazepines but I was wrong ! I was getting vestibular migraines!!! I could always tell when they where creeping on me because my hearing would get REALLY sensitive!!! and light wold get unbearable!! I would have to put on glasses INDOORS!!! PLEASE GET CHECKED!!! you have ALL THE SAME SYMPTOMS AS ME !!!!! please consider getting checked out ... it could be the break though your looking for !!! GOOD LUCK 🍀👍
I have the rocking boat sensation for many many years. Can’t drive or shop Angela. I feel your pain. Ive been off Klonopin for two years after being on for 25 years and now tapering Luvox. Tinnitus too. Not auras or snow though. I hope it goes away someday. It’s so disabling and destabilizing. It went away for you Jimmy?
@@rheannak3934 still have some things .. but Doing better my friend ! thank you for asking it means a lot! 🤝
Angie, did these drugs mess up your menstrual cycle every month.
Lmfaro the ending I love for that 👏👏👏that would be me as well 😊
I have the rocking boat sensation for many many years. Can’t drive or shop, Angela. I feel your pain. I rarely see anyone with my same symptom as this Angela. Ive been off Klonopin for two years after being on for 25 years and now tapering Luvox. Tinnitus too. Not auras or snow though. I hope it goes away someday. It’s so disabling and destabilizing. Also, they say it could be PPPD and MdDS, for which the treatment is benzos and anti depressants and so many people in the PPPD and MdDS groups recommend Klonopin and Effexor because they are desperate as am I after being dizzy, boaty, pulled and pushed from side to side, surf walking and laying on a water bed for many many years. So how do we know if it is the syndrome or the withdrawal and what do you do if it is the syndrome and you are tapering the treatment ?
You wait and see. It’s taken me 6 years to not feel so dizzy. I’m okay now. Just posted an update.
Hey! Do you still have visual snow? I’ve had it for 25 years and got way worse in withdrawal .. mine is progressive
Yes I sure do
I hope you are doing better now! How are you feeling?
Just posted an update!
Hi Angie, this video is 2 years old. Are you still using the principles of the book and also MMFT? Do you still recommend them? Thank you for sharing your healing journey!! ❤
Yes I sure do! Yes I would recommend BOTH!
I don't know if anyone will see my late post but I am going through klonopin wd and have developed a terrifying fear of heights . I have worked in construction my whole life and didn't mind going up a ladder . Now I can barely look up at something high. My legs shake and I panic. Has anyone else heard of this? Thank you . I hope you feel better soon
Yes it’s your nervous system not your eyes! Too much information for your brain to handle and stress sensitivity.
Have you been checked for sleep apnoea or narcolepsy? Did you know on average it takes sometimes several years to be diagnosed with sleep apnoea. About 14 years to be diagnosed with narcolepsy
I’ve been on CPAP for 2 years. I have mild OSA.
@@BeingMeRV I've been on cpap for 13 years, I have severe OSA
Narcolepsy requires different testing methods btw
@@DoubtingThomas333 I’m writing you from my other channel but I’m not sleepy I’m dizzy.
@@BeingMeRV yes, but you should read about narcolepsy. Then you'd understand why I mentioned it
What about inner ear troubles? Menieres disease?
@@DoubtingThomas333 no I don’t have any of that please stop with the diagnosis stuff. I’ve been to so many doctors and did 18 months of vestibular rehab and it didn’t work
can you tell me when you have turned abig corner ?
One step forward two steps back. Very slow healing like 1% a month. Never really had windows. I’m starting to feel normal now in year 6.
Do u have head symptoms like hard rock ,do u feel happy as prior to medicine,do u recognize yourself ??
No not all the way, but I’m also a new person now and don’t want to be the person I was 15 years ago. I had the rock brain feeling the first two years off.
@@AngiePeacockMSW hey i am healing more .i did skipping rope n daily bath ,fasting n it wonders me .tc
@@AngiePeacockMSW hey i am healing more .i did skipping rope n daily bath ,fasting n it wonders me .tc
Is it really better suffering trying to get off em? Or would it be better to take what you need a day n suffer like that? Stupid question... But there is no choice but to suffer. I just wanna know which is better...
That’s a question you’ll have to answer. I could not take one more day taking that poison. I had no choice in the matter. It turned on me. Even though I still have symptoms- I also have freedom! Worth it!
@@AngiePeacockMSW thanks. Im kicking it rn. I hope i conquer this 😔
Its hard to move on.
Omg, you sound just like me and my sister. She stayed in post acute benzo withdrawls for 10 years and she stayed where she could not even talk and like being tortured alive until she got a Dr in Birmingham Alabama to give her iv flumazenil. It's the same thing they use for rapid benzo detox. I don't want to be given medical advice. I suggest you people start a slow tapper with diazepam you can find online and then. I lost my mom in 2019 my sister in 2012 and my two Chihuahuas and moved from Bham to Missoula Montana where it's freezing. I have been on and off benzos since I was 13 and now 49. I already had problems but nothing like benzos have done.
Taking flumanzenil when 8 years of benzos does not make sense scientifically. I haven't had a benzo in all that time so I'm not sure why someone would take that so late. It has not worked for anyone I know who has tried it.
Is these vertigo symptoms new since you put your dog down? 😢
No I had them since coming off the drugs.
How are you doing now?
I post updates every so often. Look at the rest of my channel!
Trouble breathing is that part of it anyone experiencing that?
“Air hunger” yes very common.
Yes.. it is kinda because of a slight panic attack is what I read.. side effects from the drugs
Are you still practicing this?
Yes but a lot of it helped and I don't have to practice it so much anymore.
I understand but mental trauma and actual brain trauma is 2 different things this why we have problems regulating our feelings
Ever try cbd?
Nope and won’t. I’ve seen people feel worse. No thank you.
@@AngiePeacockMSW it helps tho.. Its nothing like thc. Its a LITTLE relief
you talking about exposure therapy ..i agree it works but not the solution to everything .. this is mainly for ppl have aniexty disorder .. this is nothing new and suprised you just heard about this after years..
Right but there are different considerations from psych drug injury. I have a degree in psych and social work so I know these therapy methods well.
@@AngiePeacockMSW do you know what it means to say someone , I have a degree in psych who is been damaged by psychatry :) .. thanks anyway as you say , this is your story ..
Xxx
Joe Dispensa confirms all you believe
As a man thinks , so is he? = neuroplasticity
From the holy Bible🙂✝️