Avengers: The Crossing Omnibus and Why I LIKE IT!
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- In today's Retroview the Uncanny Omar gives us thoughts on Avengers The Crossing Omnibus! He gets into some spoilers, so just a heads up!
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I think the problem with the Crossing is no one wanted Iron Man to be turned bad or to be replaced by young Tony. Some of the tie-in's really let it down. Some of the art was not good, again the tie-in's. But I loved the scope of the story, the ambition and the willingness to do something different. I didn't mind them mutating the Wasp into something more, well, Wasp-like. Some things didn't work but overall it doesn't deserve the bad rep it's got.
Everybody should have some kind of Totoro memorabilia in every room.
YES!!!
"Ben Raab is helping with the script." - I don't know what to say to this quote.
He is...umm not my favorite.
@@NearMintCondition No kidding. He botched up Excalibur.
During quarantine we should get one of these everyday!
Having never read this storyline, I'm actually glad I didn't after your overview, Omar! LOL! One of the very rare instances where I'm not mad about a retcon. Tony Stark is my all-time favorite character, so that's probably the biggest reason I wouldn't have liked this story.
Somebody at Marvel needs to reprint this book ASAP. Prices on Amazon/Ebay are almost up to $500!
I also hope the Avengers issues(390-395, Crossing and Timeslide one-shots) get reprinted in TPB format
I collected this crossover when it first came out and I enjoyed it up until the end. Part of the reason is that I had read some of the rumors about who the villain was rather than Tony Stark. the rumor of Kang using Hank Pym turned out to be true and honestly I liked it better. Another rumor that explained Kang's action was it was not Mantis but Moon Dragon and her mind abilities is the reason Stark was murdering people and why Kang was attacking the Avengers. Another rumor was Scarlet Witch was involved instead of Mantis because her children were fake. Interesting that was used later by Bendis to start his Avengers run. There is one thing that did rub me the wrong way and that was the costumes. They were created by Mike Deodato but this crossover was the only time they were used. For a future review how about the Acts of Vengeance Omnibus and it companion for a review?
I’m a big fan of the character designs.
It also occurs to me that Bendis basically did the same thing with the AvX/All New X-Men nonsense.
YES!!!
And Wanda?!?🤦
Next: Atlantis Attacks!
I have not read this story but am now interested in reading it.
Thank you for this retro view. It was nice seeing my tweet in the video.
New Xmen by Grant Morrison omnibus would be great for a retroview. Please do that.
Next week please New-xmen omnibus
Love those Retroreviews 😄
Always a nice addition to my Sunday’s.
Can I suggest to do the *Untold Tales of Spider-Man* omnibus since not much of it is covered and reviews are out there are pretty rare about this one.😄
You did it!!you were threatening us with it and now you went ahead and did it😂😂😂jokes aside,its not my fave but i dont hate it it like most..had some good moments..i just hate teen Tony😂
I warned people. ;)
You know, I was looking for your overview of this one and glad to see you finally uploaded one.
Yup, i just ordered it, for a decent price too
The time period when Tony Stark and Hal Jordan seemed to have similar things happening to them. John Stewart becomes Green Lantern. Rodney Rhodes becomes Iron Man then War Machine. Hal losses his marbles and Kyle takes over the mantle. Tony loses his marbles and young Stark takes over the mantle. I always wondered how would they have brought the older Tony Stark back into the fold if it wasn't for Heroes Reborn/Return?
This is the story that drove me away from comics really until Dreamwave's Transformers books got me back in the shop. Seeing my favorite hero Tony Stark turned to a bad guy like that didn't sit well with me at all. Plus I was a fan of the Force Works team and felt they got their legs cut out from under them far too soon. Dropped all the books when Tony killed the nanny so I've never read the whole story. Did buy this omni for $20 last year for my Iron Man collection though. Thanks for recapping it, Omar. Howabout a retro review of Force Works one day?
For me it was Onslaught, looking back its probably not as bad as the first time I read..
YES!!!! Finally after many... Many months! XD
Mind control and time travel - two of my least favourite comic tropes. Now together for the first time!
You like this and I like onslaught. Agree to disagree 😀
:) I was more of an X-men fan, and looking back Onslaught wasn't the worst X-men story I read.
you should definite do avengers reading order
Omar you should do a retro view of X-men inferno or fall of the mutants and discuss whether or not it’s worth the money lol
Will do.
I would remake this story with the evil tony stark as a clone who would be defeated by the avengers and the real good tony stark
Avengers Forever does retcon some things in this story.
Captain America "Hail Hydra" style?😈
Love this stuff when it came out!! I had fun hunting down the one-shot and Avengers issue 392 when they were released. It's "high school memories in omnibus form". Effing love it! Thanks!!!!
Lol. Not an easy case to make with this much maligned story line. Very entertaining, thanks Omar!
Wow! Great review of “90’s: the comic”. This is interesting
Walt Simonson Thor and Walt Simonson Orion retroview
Because of this channel i can smell secret retcons faster when I'm reading, so good job!
I think you like it for the art Omar and so do I.
I like this story especially for Tony. I read it couple years ago. Are you sure this young Tony was from past and not from other Earth ?
Because of Marvel time travel rules, Teen Tony was from the past of an alternate Earth. The Avengers made have "TimeSlid" into the actual 616 past and caused it to diverge by their actions, such as getting the Starks killed early and taking Teen Tony away. Or they might have visted an already divergent Earth which seemed liked the past, but had small differences in continuity(and you would have to read Avengers: TimeSlide to decide this for yourself) . But regardless, it was not the past of the 616 by the time the team left with Teen Tony. So: both time travel and alt. Earth travel.
Omar what would you think of Judge Dredd's omnibus, MARVEL & DC style omnibus?
Great video man. Hugs!
Thais editon had been never released in Brazil. Art Strong inspered in Image comics. The thor costume was very strange.
This sounds like an interesting story, even if it was recon-ed. Sounds interesting I may pick this us just to read it myself...and Avengers Forever to see how it was recon-ed LOL
Make sure you read Avengers Forever, it's a love letter to the Avengers and really good.
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And lo, the Uncanny Omar doth spake: "there be spoilers ahead, pause ye the video and read the omni for thine self"
So it came to pass that vyKING doth find that shit on Amazon and dispatched for it with great haste
Projekt vyKING a wild Geminite appears 👀💎
@@maxkernfeld7928 used 'stretch dat spine', it's super effective!
I'm glad someone liked The Crossing. I tried to read it and never finished it. Now I don't have to. So, thanks for that!
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Think it would have been a better read without the war machine and force works tie-in's.
The Crossing is terrible but I read it and re-read it and was sort of fascinated with it. Haven't looked at it in 20 years though, watching the video some of the art is really rough (particularly some of the fill-ins and the War Machine penciller) and even Deodato's layouts aren't very good. But there's a loud desperate energy shining through the event.
That art in War Machine is pretty horrible from time to time.
@@NearMintCondition Marvel in the 90s post-Image was trying so hard to copy the "extreme" and grim/gritty, this Avengers era is a perfect example with the costumes and attitudes that would fit right in with something like Brigade or Wildcats. Also going cheap on the art on most of the line particularly B and C tier books (that all ended up cancelled). In fact that cheapness is still going on today.
Ladyhawk is not a horrible movie. Matthew Broderick was a horrible choice for it, but the movie was actually pretty good.
I agree some of the line work in the Crossing was nice, but the inking and coloring was not good at all. Some of the character redesigns are head scratching cuz they are a big departure. The actual story is meh.
Thanks for the show Omar. Enjoy your mother's day. Stay safe everyone!
The the Iron Man armor design in this story, the over-sized gauntlets does it for me.
Who is the spider woman with the white spider symbol?
That is Heather, the new Spider-Woman, well was. During Secret Wars 2.
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Omar, wasn't that Julia Carpenter?
I know this video is a couple years old now but does anyone know if the gathering also got retconned by Busiek's run? I'm new to collecting and don't want to waste my money on an omnibus that got retconned by later entries.
Thanks for another great video Omar!
I read a few parts of this Avengers event back when I was collecting single issues, but I thought they were not memorable. Being a fan of Iron Man, I did not really enjoy this particular storyline.
Thank you for mentionning Avengers Forever retcons this whole thing!
And I 100% agree with you, Kurt Busiek is the definitive Avengers run!!
Julien Bertone
Steve Engelhart for me.
A reprint would be cool 😎
Never did I think there was going to be a time when people asked for an Avengers The Crossing reprint... but I love it.
I’m still hopeful 😂😂
The evil Mantis?!? One of its counterparts?🤔 Boh!
Great video💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Avengers: The Crossing aint that bad
Good premise, but poor execution
so is the clone saga coming up next?
Yeah, I remember this series. I kinda lost interest around halfway through and crossed over to Batman.
In my opinion i sorta like Identiy Crisis
Me too! Great story
Lots of people like IC.
Ladyhawke is a good movie.
Ohh yeah! :)
Now people are going to go out to buy this omnibus.
Ha! No way!
David is going to put out a 2nd printing of this omnibus.
So wait an Avenger Leader is brainwashed by one of their enemies into being a sleeper agent and turns evil only to be defeated by himself.....MARVEL you didn't you recycled The Crossing's story for Secret Empire and just switched who the sleeper agent was, granted I'm not one of those Secret Empire haters, the moment Steve said Hail Hydra I was like okay MARVEL you're clearly planning one of your event comics again so what's it going to be this time: Clone, Cap of the 50s returns and is impersonating Steve, brainwashed, Evil Cap from an alternate reality, they of course go with the whole memory altered thing, and because of the backlash had to give away the ending
Hahaha or House of M. :)
Oho yes!🤭
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The art looks great has the 90s image vibe, it has a lot of great artists in it. Kinda regret I didn't get it for super cheap a few years ago. However the story sounds like a hot garbage.
Super late... art looks awesome.
Never late here!
That wasn't Mockingbird that died. It was a Skrull. Well, it was retconned to a Skrull anyway. lol
Oh brother.... I didn’t even want to get into that ridiculous retcon too. Sure this one time a character dies and doesn’t turn back into a Skrull. ;) whatever you say, Bendis. I also realize, This is coming from the guy that just took up for the Crossing!!
Bendiiis!!!🤦
Ladyhawke was awesome…take it back
It’s one of my favorites!
@@NearMintCondition yup just like Beastmaster and Dragon Heart
@@BanzaiRogers Hellz yeah!
The Crossing literally made me quit reading comics for years.
Onslaught for me.
KAV-uh-naw
FORCE WORKS was a pretty decent book. Not really an AVENGERS-Book, though. I'm not a fan of THE CROSSING.
BTW: I don't care for DISASSEMBLED either. ;-)
We just became best of friends.
@@NearMintCondition Now I'm blushing. :D
Omnibus retroview request! Marvel 75 Years Omnibus
I wasn't reading any Marvel during this period and now I remember why. I love you, Omar, but this shit looks beyond terrible.
HAHAHAHA :) One Man's treasure.
Oh, yeah. This is what the game Animal Crossing is based off of, right? 🤣
Why do you like this comic? Cause of the art? Cause the story was bad and in the end it was redacted in the end.
Well,lots of comics good or bad are retconned. Mutant Massacre to Kree Skrull War. The art and some of the stories.
@@NearMintCondition "Trial of Gambit"! Trash confusion history!🤦
First story of Spider-Man...🤭
@@NearMintCondition What was retconned in Mutant Massacre?
OMG this looks like an absolute train wreck LOL
Hahahaha. Oh it is.
I don't even understand your summary, this sounds like a mess. And those costumes, oh man.
I love scarlet witches look in this era though
Brother no, delete this.
Why?
@@maxkernfeld7928 It's a joke :P
Jon Del Arroz
Hell no.
HAHAHA I'm a man of my word.
Jon Del Arroz as if, fella.