Did Liechtenstein Gain a Soldier in a War?
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1:13 The map of Austria in this video is a bit wrong. They, up until the end of the Austro-Prussian war in 1866, controlled Venice along with Eastern Lombardy.
1:31 The Prince didn't want his people to fight against fellow Germans as well.
1:37 The Liechtenstein government used the argument that the prince couldn't force the military on a campaign without the permission of the German Federal Convention but considering the Austro-Prussian war was in a way a federal civil war the federal power wasn't very existent during this time.
2:21 Of course Austria didn't desperately need the small Liechtenstein army to help them. Liechtenstein 80 men army would not make any difference on any battlefield. Liechtenstein helping Austria was more of a symbolic move to show Liechtenstein commitment to Austria and Austria pressured so hard for it because they wanted to see if Liechtenstein could actually be considered as a true ally.
2:28 "While Johann II made his contingent available to Austria, but expressly to defend the Tyrolean border against the Italian free troops, he did not use it against Prussia or against Prussia directly."
Geiger P., ‘ Geschichte des Fürstentums Liechtenstein von 1848 -1866’, JAHRBUCH DES HISTORISCHEN VEREINS FÜR DAS FÜRSTENTUM LIECHTENSTEIN SIEBZIGSTER BAND VADUZ, Vaduz, Self Published by Historischen Vereins, 1970, pp. 5-419.
2:39 The war actually officially ended in October as that's when the Peace of Vienna was signed but the fighting ended in September and that's when the Liechtenstein army returned home.
2:55 This is not to say Prussia didn't voice their opposition of Liechtenstein's support of Austria in the war but over all they never did anything about it, mostly just ignoring it during the course of the war.
3:17 Also sorry forgot to put the page number in, it is 72.
3:25 Ok so the sources don't seem to be clear on this one. One source says there where 82 men while another says 80 plus one officer. But two soldiers definitely stayed behind, so either 79 men went to Tyrol or 80.
4:48 Misspelled Liechtenstein, forgot the e.
More Extra Information and UPDATES.
Because people are unaware, the song is called "Son ar chistr" it is a Breton melody that was used in 'Was wollen wir trinken' and many other songs, the melody isn't just 'Was wollen wir trinken'.
To all you genius armchair historians that think they figured it out by saying the officer of the Kaiserjäger could have been an Austrian-Italian let me explain a couple of things.
B. We know the officer spoke German as he communicated with the soldiers and the secretaries, however we have no idea if he knew Italian or not.
C. The Kaiserjäger was dominated by German speakers.
D. Thanks in part to "@iamverycreative" on twitter we have some extra information about the Austrian lieutenant that came home with the soldiers.
The lieutenant's name was stated in two different sources as k.k. (kaiserlich-königlich) Lieutenant Radinger (A German name not an Italian one) . Also it's said that he was assigned to the Liechtenstein army because they were trained in German military signals not Austrian ones and therefore needed someone to interpret the Austrian signals during the war. Also it stated that the lieutenant "hatte der Truppe das Ehrengeleite bis in die Heimat zu geben" (had to give the troops an honorary escort back home).
Sources for this extra information
Jahrbuch des Historischen Vereins für das Fürstentum Liechtenstein 24 volume, Vaduz, Self Published by Historischen Vereins, 1924, pp. 58.
Liechtensteiner Volksblatt, September 4, 1936, pp. 1.
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Bit of a map mistake was made, austria should own venice a this time and not have the border on tirol
@@nostalgic9597 Yes true, thanks for pointing out, they lost Venice in the said Austro-Prussian war of 1866. Added it to the comment.
M. Laser History you should pin this
M. Laser History I’m pretty sure the flag of Liechtenstein is wrong. I’m no historian, but I think it is vertical and doesn’t have the crown.
well here I am wondering what version of Son ar chistr I am hearing. I love the medieval style
Liechtenstein: The country with negative casualties
Lel this reminds me of the times where with cheat engine on games you could just put a negative value for shit lost and it gives you stuff instead
Indeed fun tines
kind of
SonoftheWay35 dawn you I was going to say that!
Kind of
Lichtenstein = negative casualties in a war(kind of)
Finland = negative casualties in a pandemic
Its getting out of hand. Now there are two of them lmfao
holy shit
Liechtenstein in WW2: Stand perfectly still. Germany's eyesight is based on on movement.
😂😂😂
@@x-a- when you don't realize I'm a troll 😂😂😂
@@Wickedonezz why ? 😞
@@x-a- it's pretty cringe
@@Wickedonezz I don't find it cringy, I find it funny.
Liechtenstein: My job here is done
Austrian Empire: But you did nothing
Liechtenstein: *leaves*
*with an extra random person*
Just like my dad
Stravvie OOF
@@bulldozer8950 *with an Austro-Hungarian officer
@@tos4057 underrated comment
Lichtenstein = The first country in history to be on the loosing side in a war and still kind of win on it.
They just went on a nice skiing holiday to Tyrol for a couple of months.
And Russia in WW1 was likely the first to do the exact opposite
Nope. Spain was given land after loosing the seven years war
Bulgaria fought along side Germany in WW1 and lost along side them yet we gained Dobruja back from the Romanians and did not lose land
@@clitoresdestroyer2742 i was about to comment that. Also its ww2 when that happened
Fun fact: When Russia wanted to sell Alaska they initially offered it to Lichtenstein because they knew there would be no way for them to colonise it and Britain couldn't invade it because of Lichtenstein's alliance with Austria. Of course they denied it because they didn't have enough money but it's quite entertaining to think about what would have happened if they accepted the offer.
Basically Belgium and the Congo but even more weird?
@@GojiWars And most likely less hand chopping
@@kompatybilijny9348 💀
_The principalities of Liechenstein and Alaska_
@@no3ironman11100 The Congolese said the same too
I live in Austria, next to Liechtenstein and i practically see my house on these maps
Light Head think you forgot to change accounts mate
If you take a look on Monaco's map, you can see bridges in the marina.
😂
I live in the middle school f the sight of the battle of Hastings
Kunshd mol vorbei a Bierle ge zischa!
The whole "Lichtenstein gained a soilder" thing is the equivalent of clickbait for historians.
Great video!
Liechtenstein
@@davidarturocolungapuentes138 lick the stain never knew that existed
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@@EEEEEEEE friend
@@EEEEEEEE merald
Nobody:
Literally nobody:
Liechtenstein: Maybe the real war was the friends we made along the way
@Field Marshall Veers its a joke, i actually dont know its root, even after all these years.
@Field Marshall Veers because they made a friend who joined their army instead of losing soldiers lol
@Field Marshall Veers knowyourmeme.com/memes/maybe-the-real-treasure-was-the-friends-we-made-along-the-way
Is the Nobudy: necesary?
@@myopiniondoesntmatter9161 Yes
> We go to war!
> But I don't want to fight and potentially die! :(
> Nono, you misunderstood. We just go.
Austrians and Germans: So, Liechtenstein, are you at war?
Liechtenstein: Yes, but actually no.
Back then Austrians were as German as other Germans, hence also the alternative names Deutscher Krieg, Deutsch-deutscher Krieg or Deutscher Bruderkrieg, and what is nowadays the German south almost entirely fought on the Austrian side during that war (with the exception of Prussian territories of course) and even quite large chunks of Central and Northern Germany were fighting against the Prussians, not with them.
@@f.c.laukhard3623 Another Name
Deutsch-Preußischer Krieg (German-Prussian War) but Bismarck didnt like that name because it would mean that...
(The rest is easy to guess so stop wasting your time reading that)
... i am not joking
... :(
.....
Fin
Liechtenstein: whatever you want to hear.
Austrians are german.
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Fun fact : In 2011 Liechtenstein literally rented the whole country on Airbnb listed for $70K/night
They even make medievial tournament to honor your name.
omygosh thats the cutest thing
@@morgiewthelord8648 quickest reply ever
@@sherwingonsalves8821 indeed
@@morgiewthelord8648 ???????????
Yes, but you can't take away my headcanon that the Italian friend was called Fabio and he loved wine and beer and yoddle and he cherished his friendship with 80 Lichtensteiner soldiers until his death in 1902.
Sí it was me (no not really but my name is actually Fabio)
One word. Cope.
@@sussyboi479 ratio
LichtenSTEINER counterattack
he joined the lichensteinians because he saw beautiful pictures of it and wanted to live there, seems like a nice guy ngl
Okay but I always loved the idea and imagination of that. Imagine you see the army leaving 80 men, 6 weeks later they come in through the city and when they get in formation there's just an.. extra. They made friends on the battlefield and somehow he left everything behind and went with them.
Yes, i am going to pretend that i didnt watch this video and keep thinking about the friendship between italian soldier and the liechstein army.
"We found this stray Italian can we can keep him?"
"I don't know, an Italian is awful lot of responsibility "
@@riftvallance2087 I'll walk him and water him and feed him!
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 it sounds wrong when you say it like that
A much more interesting, and actually true fact about Liechtenstein, is that Switzerland accidentally "invaded" Liechtenstein during a Swiss army exercise when some soldiers got lost and accidentally walked into Liechtenstein.
On two separate occasions. Yes, Switzerland has accidentally invaded Liechtenstein, TWICE!
It’s worse 3 times
Im a soldier in the swiss army and there is this one training ground just next to the border with lichtenstein. But its a green border. Usually during a military exercise some sharpshooters would accidentally walk there while trying to find a good spot to shoot from. So yes it happens all the time.
Edit: the training ground is called "Ortskampfanlage Answiesen"
And the Liechtensteiner Military General said that ,"Those things happen sometimes" lol
@@leonardodavid2842 The count of Lichtenstein is still pretty pissed when he finds soldiers going for a walk in his country
@@leonardodavid2842 Technically Liechtenstein has to ask Switzerland to intervene. The Swiss army can't just go there uninvited. Hence why people refer to these military exercise blunders as "invasions".
They just sent a monk that said “Wololo”
Italian(1): Schaloob?
Wkxkekcks this is best comment
I can just imagine these Lichenstien soldiers getting super friendly with some Italian guard, and then when they turned to go home the Italian cried and said he wanted to come with them
Apparently many can, that's how myths like this spread while the nearly-but-not-quite-as-awesome truth is mostly forgotten.
Lichenstien: you managed to put three mistakes into one word, impressive.
Some other countries: were losing some soldiers beacause of this war!
Meanwhile Lichtenstein :
*S T O N K S*
Lichtenstein actually has the best K/D ratio in the entire war
Akin Khoo no it’s just 0.
Their Kills/Deaths ratio is 0
I would say it's the most indertaminate
@@wigglebot2368 no it's -1
@@bulldozer8950 Actually it's "Not A Number", because you literally can't divide by zero.
Video Games always lie about your K/D when you're at zero deaths, that's why you K/D doesn't change in most games after your first death, because he already divided by 1 at zero lives.
I'm from Liechtenstein and I'm happy that someone is telling this story.
🥰
Hallihallöle
Knaller DerCoole Nice, chume vor Schwiiz grad gegenüber 😄 Doch schön zum eusi region mol im grosse Internet z’gseh
Wait how big is the population of your country?
How is daily life there?
I thought only 2 people lived there
I recall reading that Liechtenstein had to increase its military budget a few years ago, so that they could repair the gun.
It's "military" budget pretty much goes entirely to provide ammunition for ceremonial cannon shots for holidays and special events, and the gun used was becoming too worn out.
Liechtenstein army commander: who's the extra guy in our army?
Soldiers: idk some Italian guy, seems pretty cool
That italian guy: *I am freaking austrian*
Love this kind of little fact check about history, please continues!
4 minutes, this is a new record for me.
Ok, Ok, new plan. Before I release my next video I will send a carrier pigeon with the exact timing of the video release so you can make a comment at 0 minutes.
@@MLaserHistory I am unsure were u jocking or you took some offence
@@MLaserHistory good plan
Ahhh darn it. Foiled by the fact that it's hard to express tone in messages.
I was joking guys definitely not angry :)
Here is your baguette 🥖
You could probably make a series out of debunking (and actually propperly researching) common misconceptions. Great video as always!
You could but honestly that would be kind of boring just doing that, hence I do it sometimes along other History topics.
M. Laser History how is that boring?
As a historian I prefer and enjoy doing more historical work, with research and factual analysis. Taking other works or just popular facts and pointing out what's wrong isn't fun, it doesn't require much academic rigor and quite frankly anyone willing to put the time in to making a video can do it.
Hence why so many channels just do "pointing out inaccuracies" videos. Almost every "professional of X reacts to X" video is just that. It doesn't require much work and no original thought. You're literary just pointing out mistakes.
But people seem to like it for some reason, I personally don't hence it's boring for me.
the gossip around the 80 +1 men returning from the war is an old local "legend" a story we used to tell.
But i as an actual resident of Liechtenstein i never truely known the background of this whole story.
Nice video
Title: 80 + 1 soldiers
Me, an intellectual: wouldn't that just be 81 soldiers?
this person has never listened to Big Iron and it shows
Wait 80 + 1 = 81? Damn.
This video was insane! Thank the Liechtenstein Archive man!!
Is the background song "Was wollen wir trinken?"
Yes and no.
The original song is an old Brittany song named Son Ar Chistr.
"Was wollen wir trinken" is just one of many different renditions of this melody.
@@MLaserHistory So, kind of then
Thank you for asking I recognized the melody too and it was driving me nuts!
hey bro keep it up all your content is great,short and interesting
This is a very nice & well-put together video. I leared something. You have a new sub, good sir.
Level up completed
Status:rich
Stability: you can just leave the door open
Reward: 1+ infantry troop
Nice video. I like these short 'history mythbusting' videos.
What if you made a video debunking the most common internet historical facts.
If they where accurate I wouldn't have to debunk them.
Although to be fair there's really not that many of them hence why I upload such "debunking" videos quite rarely.
@hagnar For some of the more general misconceptions, I recommend checking the wikipedia's list of common misconception, it has a sub-page on history, pretty interesting stuff!
True but all of those are kind of general one offs.
Napoleon wasn't small.
Columbus wasn't the only one who knew the earth was round.
Vikings didn't have horns on their helmets.
etc.
All kind of generic stuff easily found out by anyone who's willing to actually google it. I find looking in to more story-esk "fun fact" history like the War of the Bucket is more entertaining. Specially because it requires doing actual research rather than just opening an encyclopedia.
@@MLaserHistory did you know that Columbus wasn't the first to discover America, it was actually lief Erickson
Bet you didn't knew that
@C V not sure if you’re being sarcastic but everyone knows that. (not to be rude just pointing it out)
No matter what you say the Liechtenstein got 1 extra men in the war. This makes the Liechtenstein’s army is the strongest in the world cause they had negative casualties.
Switzerland invaded Liechtenstein at some point in the last 20 years, forget the exact year. A Swiss military unit on a training exercise made a wrong turn.
Three or four times, actually, officially. There's a training ground in a forest on the border, sometimes soldiers walk too far.
This video is the definition of the "Well yes, but actually no" meme
So all I got from this video was... "Kind of." glad we got that settled.
It is settled. "Kind of" is an answer implying nuance which you should know by now sense I explained it in the video.
Very educational. Thank you
Austria did the request forces strat from hoi4 XD
Thanks for the clear up I like history and I believed this for a little bit
Thank you so much for making this video now I can just send this to people on r/historymemes that constantly say liechtenstein gained a soldier in a war.
thx it helped with my project.
I like a lot this kind of short videos with fun facts of the history
Yes Not like 6 Hours documentry
Very nice video, so much details on something one could consider a "minor thing." Speaking of Austro-Prussian war, would you mind making a video one day about the "Dreyse rifle" supperiority in the war myth? Many today believe that the rifle was the major reason why Prussia was victourious in the war, though when you check some more detailed sources you will find out that it's a strong oversimplification and pretty much a myth. However, since the war does not get many attention in schools (since in the wars of German unification it was in the middle and did not directly cause the German unification and so from teacher's perspective it might be considered less important, though I would disagree with that) and so even here the "needle gun supperiority" myth is thought as a simplification of the overall subject.
Good points, maybe someday I'll get around to explaining the Austro-Prussian war but at the moment I have other topics on the list.
oh damn, that "Was wollen wir trinken" cover is amazing
Wow, I learned so much from this video on Liechtenstein! It's amazing how such a small country has such a rich and complex history. If you're interested in learning more about Liechtenstein, I highly recommend the book
'A Journey Through Liechtenstein's Fascinating History' by Lea Marie Nigg.
It's a beautiful and informative book that offers a unique perspective on Liechtenstein's history
He could have been a lieutenant of the Austro-Hungarian Empire of Italian ethnicity. Some Italians still sided with the empire even after reunification of Italy. Or maybe just a guy of German/Balkan ethnicity who knew Italian
read the pinned comment
I'd like to think that they did really got a friend from the war, even if it's fake or not
@Sen as an italian I think so too. That soldier was probably from Naples so it was very easy for them to make him a friend because people from Naples are very friendly, he probably also offered to go to Liechtenstein to cook a pizza for them
Lol
Prussian highcommand to König Wilhelm: “Mein König, Liechtenstein has joined austria in the war!“
König Wilhelm: “Mein Gott. This is going to be a massacre for prussia. May god be with us!“
People: Are we at war?
Liechtenstein: Well yes but technically no
Sorry but do you know the name of the medieval souding music in the background?
This is cool channel! I subscribe!
thank you major laser, very cool
Liechtenstein is just like an oversimplified quote
“Eyyyy cousin Antonio is that you”
What is the music in the background called? Especially around 1:30
When you play 10X mod on hoi4 and add field hospitals.
San Marino also has negative casualties during WW I. They send some volunteers to help Italian army and return with one more friend.
im now singing what shall we drink now, cause the background music is exactly that
Wow, this video is amazing. I can tell that you actually care about getting the facts right, and are not afraid to correct yourself where you made minor mistakes in your comment.
Ok, it might be very unlikely that they made a random Italian (or local Tyrolian or whatever) friend who came back with them (aside from that Austrian officer) but are we absolutely sure it didn't actually happen? ;)
I see what you're doing sire and I am going to have to stop it :D
News articles from the day of their arrival only mention the two Liechtenstein secretaries and the Austrian. I feel like if they suddenly showed up with someone else it would have been mentioned specially since all the other extra people where mentioned.
@@MLaserHistory Well ok... :D
@@MLaserHistory maybe one of the Lichtensteiners came back pregnant, and so while not technically arriving into the state on their own feet, there was a +1? Or what if there was one of those alien spawns inside a soldier like the movie Aliens? Maybe the newspapers of the day used #FakeNews because of their anti-Trump agenda to suppress how he got a Italian to join the Lichtenstein army. Have you really looked into every possiblity? Hmmmm?
@@whydoineedaname11 😂
@@whydoineedaname11 Men don't get pregnant .
great video! on what program do u make ur videos on?
Photoshop and Vegas.
Can you do an "well, acktshually" for that viking saga where a viking asks for his executioneer to hold his hair and then pulls his head, making the guy lose his hand?
Somebody please tell me the song in the background at 1:25. I have heard this before, I think it's some sort of medieval remake of a song.
A very special and fascinating part of history 👏
It’s kinda cool to see these small moments in history
The maps you use in your videos are absolutely beautiful. They show the geography so well and are incredibly detailed. Do you maka them yourself or do they come from somewhere? If the latter, where do you get them?
I make them my self so they look a bit more like they're on paper but I get the physical geographic data from here.
tangrams.github.io/heightmapper/
maps-for-free.com/#close
M. Laser History Thank you, very good work
You are a very kind youtuber... kind of
I never heard that it was an Italian, only knew that one extra guy returned.
Where did you find the acoustic/instrumental for Was wollen wir trinken?
It's not Was wollen wir trinken actually. They took the melody form here -en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_ar_chistr
As for the song it's from here- czcams.com/video/Kj1_p8ad2Ms/video.html
@@MLaserHistory Thank you :)
This background song as well heared at 2:45 is actually a dutch partysong: wat zullen we drinken. Lol
Oh I would have loved you saying "kind of" at the end.
lol I totally should have ended the video like that!
Dammit!
@@MLaserHistory Hahaha! You can make a CZcams story though - y'know, the one's that come up in the community tab or whatever it is called
Where did the story of the extra person from Italy coming back with them come from?
Hey I’m a bit late but can you put your sources in the description? Thanks :)
check out the video script on Patreon, he has notes and sources all written out in there, you do not have to be a patron to download them.
I don’t enjoy incomplete information, but I can’t find anything better to watch, either.
Interesting. Thank you.
this was one of my favourite stories to read about. They went for an adventure and made an extra friend on the way.
That's how war should be
"...really felt like dying in a war would be a pleasant experience." You, sir, have earned a subscriber.
I do like that the song in the background is an instrumental version of the song "was solen wir trinken?". I approve.
Not quite - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_ar_chistr
Do u pronounce it like how you do or is it a more of a German accent, I say it with a German accent
High quality content
So...as a historian my day has been technically ruined.
This man played a medieval version of “Seguimos siendo” by Non Servium in the background of an history video, nice
The background music sounds like the song was wollen sir trinken
I've heard this fact attributed to San Marino, as well as to Lichtenstein
Son ar chistr / Zeven dagen lang background music? :D
"This is my friend Tony, he's pretty cool. 😎 he's not always so smart though, he followed us home".
What is the music in the background?
Apparently you can rent Lichtenstein for $70,000 for 3 days, and have full power.
If true I should make that one of my Patreon goals.
M. Laser History it’s one of my life goals. I hear it’s very hard to do though. I think you also have to do a ton of paperwork
Is this bardcore Scooter in the background?
dude you literally destroing all my funfacts i can use for Woman xD
im wondering did the Lichtenstein army have any military actions on the italian front. you said their were defending some valley but did they actually repell anything?
No. They basically just camped out in the mountain pass pointed out in the video. They did see a contingent of Italian soldiers on the other side of the pass but nothing happened.
M. Laser History nothing happened? So did the Italians see them and turn around?
No the Italians didn't want to attack a guarded mountain pass. Even with 80 men mountain passes can be easily defended. So they just guarded the other side of the pass in case the Liechtensteiners decided to invade Italy for some reason.
@@MLaserHistory imgine the lichtensteiners would have invaded , we would have the lichtensteinian empire today ...
Nice!
Imagine being so friendly your gaining troops in war
what's the background music?
Ironically i got a COC Ad before i got to watch the video
So where did the myth come from? Who was the first to circulate it?
I learned something unexpected from this video . . . contrary to my previous beliefs, it *IS* possible for a piece of trivia to be so trivial as to be completely uninteresting.
@@davesmith3023 I gotta tell ya . . . I'm not Canadian and I've never seen a lacross game (match?) but I'd find your example a bit more interesting than this. I realize now it wasn't just the subject, it was the level of detail related and the time it took to relate it. Yep, I'd rather have been told about some Canucks running around on a frozen field.
Lichtenstein:
STONKS
Nice song to play in the background.
It's Was wollen wir trinken, I believe.
I think it is Jan Pillemann Otze
I should really set up an automatic system to post this link because so many people have no idea.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_ar_chistr
@@MLaserHistory You know, two years later I got a notifcation for this!?!? Thanks for the song, I was wrong! It sounds better then what I've heard, thanks!