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  • čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
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    || CONTENT ||
    0:00 - old wounds
    1:24 - the graduation
    3:28 - the wound
    9:00 - the heal
    10:35 - credits
    || mystery song of the day ||
    There'll be no strings to bind your hands
    Not if my love can't bind your heart
    There's no need to take a stand
    For it was I who chose to start
    I see no need to take me home
    I'm old enough to face the dawn
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Then slowly turn away from me
    Maybe the sun's light will be dim
    And it won't matter anyhow
    If morning's echo says we've sinned
    Well, it was what I wanted now
    And if we're victims of the night
    I won't be blinded by the light
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Then slowly turn away
    I won't beg you to stay with me
    Through the tears
    Of the day
    Of the years
    Baby
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Just touch my cheek before you leave me, baby
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Just touch my cheek before you leave me, darling
    Just call me angel of the morning, angel
    Just touch my cheek before you leave me, darling
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Komentáře • 900

  • @SeseOB2003
    @SeseOB2003 Před rokem +4722

    It’s depressing to think that despite this episode, Bruce still ends up alone in Batman beyond…

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +958

      Depressing but understandable. Bruce feels like everyone he touches is broken or marred permanently. And, uh, he's not wrong. The only person more well-intentioned than him wears red & blue, but Bruce just doesn't know how to interact with people he cares for that aren't named "Alfred".

    • @masterzombie161
      @masterzombie161 Před rokem +255

      Well he is still loved by everyone. It’s just Bruce is Beyond dedicated on protecting the people in Gotham. At least Bruce will not pass on alone.

    • @demianoff
      @demianoff Před rokem +275

      He's not alone. He has terry. And Terry mended his relationships with Barbara and Tim. And then... Hell he might give him an adopted grandson with Dana #keepepilogueasecret

    • @lucasvalle4841
      @lucasvalle4841 Před rokem +188

      I saw once someone saying that in this universe only Superman, Alfred and Terry understood how Bruce is: not this cold hearted man only obsessed with his mission but a compassionate and scarred man. I guess that Legacy in JLU is a good example of this (although I kinda hate the reveal of Terry being a clone/son of Bruce).

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +137

      @@lucasvalle4841 I actually think the reveal is pretty good. Mostly because, genetically speaking, it's *really* weird for Terry to have black hair despite neither of his parents having it. It also doesn't change the fact that Terry's dad still raised him.
      It's also a remarkably touching parallel to Bruce himself, what with how Thomas may be Bruce's father, Alfred is always gonna be his daddy.

  • @babyfaceaviator7862
    @babyfaceaviator7862 Před rokem +1414

    Really heartwarming how Bruce really did change because he lost Dick.
    A pity you didn't include Dick's line, "The only people Bruce ever loved were his parents and the sooner you realize that, the better" And how this episode showed Dick was wrong

    • @Pyramanager
      @Pyramanager Před rokem

      most guys do change when they lose their dick

    • @lilfashionkilla
      @lilfashionkilla Před 5 měsíci

      Then Batman got batgirl pregnant to show how little he cares for dick

    • @Galeus708
      @Galeus708 Před 5 měsíci +8

      Does he say that? I don't remember hearing it, and I can't find the quote online. EDIT: Found the actual source of the quote, as it's definitely not in this episode. It's from the Hush Beyond story arc from the Batman Beyond comics.

  • @hattoripool1533
    @hattoripool1533 Před rokem +3944

    I think there should have been a comic or short that explained how Batman in the dcau slowly went from the more emotional Batman that we see in Batman the Animated Series to the slightly cold hearted but still compassionate Batman that we see from the New Batman Adventures onward

    • @MrNightwing99
      @MrNightwing99 Před rokem +424

      Well Jason Todd is in fact Canon in that universe so that could’ve done it

    • @maria_from_ga1461
      @maria_from_ga1461 Před rokem +385

      The cynical answer is that Timm and co. wanted Bruce to become more god-like and a suave, sexy type, but yeah it sucks that they lost sight of man that they understood so well in the Animated Series.
      And it becomes weirder when you consider Justice League and Batman Beyond. Like the Batman in Justice League only make sense if it is the Batman from the Animated Series while Batman Beyond only makes sense when it is the Batman from New Adventures. The thing about Batman is that the Batfam, Justice League, and the Outsiders always saved from being consumed by darkness. I guess when Dick left him, he spiraled is what we supposed to think as the gap between Animated Series and New Batman Adventures but imo it makes no sense

    • @techno_spidey95
      @techno_spidey95 Před rokem +113

      Theres that but I think some people said the comic had some issues cannon wise but events from Mask of the Phantasm would’ve also made him more cold hearted

    • @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
      @leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Před rokem +83

      @@maria_from_ga1461 THANK YOU. But I disagree, the Batman from Justice League has more emotion than the one from TNBA but that emotion is aholerry and dckishness.

    • @maria_from_ga1461
      @maria_from_ga1461 Před rokem +41

      Tho I do love Old Wounds, because tho it is in New Adventures, it is more line with the Batman in the Animated Series than the New Adventures one
      Probably it is more in line with pre-Crisis Batman and Nightwing origin than the post-Crisis one lol

  • @natebot_
    @natebot_ Před rokem +1941

    Nightwing has always been my favorite superhero along with Spider-Man. Bruce fights crime because he HAS to, but Dick fights crime because he WANTS to. They care about each other A LOT, but this difference is why Dick left. They might not be able to work together as Batman and Robin anymore, but that doesn’t mean they don’t love and care for one another. I love their relationship, and Dick Grayson will forever be one of my favorites!

    • @maximelubukayimuamba8239
      @maximelubukayimuamba8239 Před rokem +6

      Same!!!

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +57

      I'd love a series of films about Nightwing, but they would *have* to involve Dick eventually taking up the cape & cowl himself after the death of Bruce. Bruce is too broken to be the Batman that Gotham, and the world, really needs. But Dick? He's everything Batman is with none of the baggage. He's the one thing Bruce got right. I know the whole point of Nightwing is meant to be Dick going his own way and all, but Batman is his birthright, and he's the only one who can do it without it crushing everything else about him.

    • @natebot_
      @natebot_ Před rokem +42

      ​@@RaptorJesus I totally agree. I think its kind of ironic. When it comes to Dick, although he becomes his own man, and his own hero, there has never been anybody better and more fitting to take up the cape and cowl.

    • @gb_erick2799
      @gb_erick2799 Před rokem +10

      Yea I agree with you and same spiderman and Nightwing will always be my favorite characters because of those reasons

    • @superherochestsymbol1032
      @superherochestsymbol1032 Před rokem +4

      DCAU Nightwing, Batman (Bruce and Terry), Superman and Flash will always be my top favorites tbh.

  • @jus2mangue
    @jus2mangue Před rokem +1644

    I really hope one day they'll make a batman movie that includes nightwing. He's such an interesting character

    • @passarovoador6662
      @passarovoador6662 Před rokem +83

      I really wanted to see him in the DCEU, Ben Affleck's Batman was in the right age to have a 22-25 year old son, sadly Zack killed Dick as Robin

    • @s-wo8781
      @s-wo8781 Před rokem +95

      I'm tired of Hollywood being afraid to do the Bat family or go non-realistic. I'll probably be in my 40s by the time we get that.

    • @Tyler_W
      @Tyler_W Před rokem +22

      He's in my top 5 DC heroes. Dick Graysok is a bro and a badass in his own right, and unlike Batman, he's actually personable and sociable.

    • @jockeyfield1954
      @jockeyfield1954 Před rokem +29

      @@s-wo8781 they'll have bruce wayne outsmart an omnipotent alien before they'll ever let a 14 year old learn how to fight crime

    • @amuroray9115
      @amuroray9115 Před rokem +16

      Wow I just realized Nightwing has never been in a live action film

  • @patrickbuckley7259
    @patrickbuckley7259 Před rokem +261

    One thing I always liked about Bruce and Dicks relationship when well written, is that it's clear that the one thing Bruce wants more than anything for Dick, is for him not to become the same dark brooding loner that he himself became. He want's Dick to lead a happier more stable life than him.
    Yet Dick's central struggle is very much between those darker impulses and the more light and cheerful nature. While Todd was swallowed by the darkness, and Drake is a shinning light. Greyson is the Robin that struggles the most with those two persona's and ultimately finds a balance between the two. (Ironically making him the most like Bruce of all of them, yes even more so than his Biological Son. Though just a bit closer to what Bruce strives to be, than Bruce himself.) He IS Bruces successor, no matter what the comics do to change that. The spirit remains.

    • @SixFootScream
      @SixFootScream Před rokem +7

      Amen!

    • @CMacK1294
      @CMacK1294 Před rokem +23

      Dick always gets shafted in comics, movies and everything. It's genuinely depressing. I will say, Terry's also a valid successor in my eyes. Both of them deserve more screen time, and more respect.

    • @LakinMae5
      @LakinMae5 Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@CMacK1294I can see throwing the timeline farther into the future and have Dick be the Batman mentor to the alternate version of Terry.

    • @DanielGonzalez-vo5ni
      @DanielGonzalez-vo5ni Před 4 měsíci +1

      Dick is my number 1 in the batfamily then Terry I do like Bruce but he'd be 3rd Conroy is definitely the best Batman in media just not my favorite character

  • @UmamiWave
    @UmamiWave Před rokem +306

    The way you so nonchalantly said "Like and Asian parent" fucking killed me 💀

  • @LakinMae5
    @LakinMae5 Před 7 měsíci +60

    This helps solid why I think Starfire/Kori is the best choice for Dick as she understands his pain but at the same time shares his optimism. She is just able to express her emotions and thoughts which would help Dick express his in turn.

  • @someguycalledgoober155
    @someguycalledgoober155 Před rokem +1057

    Honestly the scene that shows Bruce being extra harsh with the thug in front of his son should have been what BvS' Batman should have done instead of "Why did you say that name?!" It could have shown Bruce how far he's fallen, basically turning the same man that sent him down his path in the first place. That's just me though.

    • @ivanagustinortiz5237
      @ivanagustinortiz5237 Před rokem +23

      I mean, Ben Affleck already did a scene like that for his Daredevil movie, that could've worked great

    • @someguycalledgoober155
      @someguycalledgoober155 Před rokem +39

      ​@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Honestly, BvS could have benefited from it.
      They just add Jon as a baby, Lex has him hostage, Superman says "Go save Jon" and Lois brings up how he's their son. Again, just me though.

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +73

      @@someguycalledgoober155 I think "Martha" could work just fine if Supes just said "Mom" instead. "Just save my mom". That would work way better, because instead of it being about...sharing a mom with the same name, it's Batman realizing that "the alien" isn't some heartless monster, he has a family.

    • @RockStationForChrist
      @RockStationForChrist Před rokem +15

      @@RaptorJesus but that IS what the scene in the movie is about. The internet memes decided to make it about the name.

    • @zedgovos4914
      @zedgovos4914 Před rokem

      @@RockStationForChrist Because "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME" is a dumbass line lmao

  • @mandalorianhunter1
    @mandalorianhunter1 Před rokem +798

    I honestly wish this was brought up in Batman Beyond more. Barbara never took any responsibility in helping break the Bat family up in her betrayal of Dick and getting with Bruce.
    She lashes out at Bruce and by extension Terry when she remembers the past, but no one calls her out on her actions.
    This episode was great

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom Před rokem +122

      Batgirl was always the worst part of the Batman animated series to me then I seen this all “Robin/Batgirl” compilation video and I felt very confused after realizing she forced herself in but she had a very good heart but was still annoying then comes Batman Beyond and she is even more annoying and truly broke the Dynamic duo apart. The comics are waaaay better for her, yeevsh.

    • @mandalorianhunter1
      @mandalorianhunter1 Před rokem +48

      @@Artryom agreed except the comic where she got pregnant

    • @theepoopydoodoo
      @theepoopydoodoo Před rokem +39

      Barbara got groomed. She's not truly at fault.

    • @ScapeVEVO
      @ScapeVEVO Před rokem +132

      @@theepoopydoodoo Barbara was in college and an adult by the time she became Batgirl in the DCAU, Bruce barely knew her before he saw her again for the first time and by then she was an adult, he did no such thing. She can and should be responsible for herself.

    • @theepoopydoodoo
      @theepoopydoodoo Před rokem +44

      @@ScapeVEVO you can be groomed as an adult, by authority figures. It happens all the time.

  • @hattoripool1533
    @hattoripool1533 Před rokem +677

    I really wish we got to see Dick in Batman Beyond(the 2.0 comics aren’t really canon) because I always wondered what a Batman Beyond era Dick would think of Bruce after literal decades and I also heard that he’s still active as Nightwing by time of Batman Beyond

    • @CorbCorbin
      @CorbCorbin Před rokem +45

      Their are comics that _were_ canon, at least as they were being written.
      2016-2020

    • @serioussilliness2064
      @serioussilliness2064 Před rokem

      There are also comics where you get to see dick in batman..

    • @josuepf3730
      @josuepf3730 Před rokem

      Batman beyond comics are from earth 12, the continuity of those comics took references from the DCAU, but the DCAU is not the earth 12
      czcams.com/video/WBPm03p-6fY/video.html

    • @jmouton337
      @jmouton337 Před rokem +64

      As far as I know, there's a Batman Beyond series from 2 years ago where Grayson became the mayor of Bludhaven and his daughter became Batwoman, even getting a suit w/ a blue bat on the chest in honor of him

    • @hattoripool1533
      @hattoripool1533 Před rokem +27

      @@jmouton337 That’s set in a future version of the prime universe not the dcau

  • @passarovoador6662
    @passarovoador6662 Před rokem +1873

    I Really would want to have seen more Nightwing in the DCAU
    The whole Barbara x Bruce thing traumatized me forever.

    • @RaptorJesus
      @RaptorJesus Před rokem +364

      I try to pretend that there never was a "relationship", it was just a young Barbara reading too much into her interactions with Bruce. I am aware that means I have to ignore portions of canon, and I'm 100% okay with that.

    • @passarovoador6662
      @passarovoador6662 Před rokem +119

      @@RaptorJesus I really do, but i can't really go against canon, there was never really the whole "Bruce got Barbara pregnant" bc it wasn't ACTUALLY in the show
      but they did have a relationship
      But i like to think Barbara and Dick still stayed friends after a long time, or that he met Starfire eventually

    • @ShirouBrando
      @ShirouBrando Před rokem +67

      @Geranimo As much as We might not like it its definitely cannon Barbara hints at them being a thing in the actual series Batman beyond to terry

    • @tunedude19
      @tunedude19 Před rokem +4

      Black Zack Snyder

    • @tunedude19
      @tunedude19 Před rokem +9

      Funny how it was his place to tell him Babs was pregnant

  • @dariusthurman8835
    @dariusthurman8835 Před rokem +336

    You can hear it in Batmans voice in tnba, batman beyond, the Justice League. He doesn't have the campiness and positive emotion in his voice that he had. He just got darker from the earlier btas. His costume is darker, he speaks less frequently and when he does its more stern.
    Part of this is to contrast him with Superman but its like Dini wanted to show the darker side of crime fighting.

    • @YungM.D.
      @YungM.D. Před rokem +8

      Yeah I always felt his change in character was because he had to start playing off an ensemble or different character (like Terry or Superman)

    • @dariusthurman8835
      @dariusthurman8835 Před rokem +8

      Now Ill never get the chance ask Kevin Conroy at comic con.

    • @LARRYLONGSTRETH
      @LARRYLONGSTRETH Před rokem +17

      Kinda makes me wish we could have early BTAS Bruce Wayne hanging out with Clark. No witty retorts or constant insults aimed at all the nice heroes. Just Batman being nice too.

    • @carlbloke8797
      @carlbloke8797 Před rokem

      @@LARRYLONGSTRETHagreed

    • @Seoyeaji921
      @Seoyeaji921 Před rokem

      @@YungM.D. not really

  • @haustyl12
    @haustyl12 Před rokem +97

    I always loved whenever Bruce and Dick’s relationship is explored. From Young Justice’s reasoning of creating Robin so Dick wouldn’t become like Bruce. To a Nightwing comic where Catwoman reveals that Bruce always thought Dick was his greatest triumph.
    Bruce could never show his affection towards his Bat Family, but nonetheless, he truly loved them like they were his own

    • @aozorahaou2643
      @aozorahaou2643 Před rokem +9

      Or when Bruce cried for Dick in Catwomans arms after Damian accidentally killed him in Injustice

  • @jvstice56
    @jvstice56 Před rokem +134

    Old Wounds is one of those episodes that always tugs at the heartstrings. It shows just what Bruce's never ending crusade on crime does to a man and his support system. It's equally somber knowing that by the events of Batman Beyond, he's alone and very bitter.

    • @gablit-gt8kk
      @gablit-gt8kk Před 11 měsíci

      But batman beyond is not Canon, I don't want the future series cuz it sucks

    • @blackfox4138
      @blackfox4138 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@gablit-gt8kk it IS canon to the DCAU though, and the reason why Bruce pushed everyone out was because he couldn't let go of what the Joker did to Tim. And because he is who he is, he's more willing to let others blame him for everything that happened than to have them blame themselves.

    • @easygrin1127
      @easygrin1127 Před 5 měsíci

      And forever at odds with Dick.

    • @easygrin1127
      @easygrin1127 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@blackfox4138i do kinda agree with him. I dont really care for that show. Its like the Joel Schumacher Batman....Its not terrible though somethings are good. But its duch a somber end to such a great show.

    • @Darth_atrocious
      @Darth_atrocious Před 4 měsíci

      @@gablit-gt8kkit is canon. And it doesn’t suck it’s just not for you. Batman beyond is one of the best pieces of Batman media we have ever gotten.

  • @michaelh5446
    @michaelh5446 Před rokem +156

    "An era can be considered over when its basic illusions have been exhausted" - Arthur Miller
    As a child stricken by grief & trauma, Dick saw Batman as this paradigm to heal and find purpose. As Dick grew older and healed in the process, he came into conflict with Batman as he slowly started to see Batman for what he was and how that differs from his own identity. The result is that Dick sees only the negative qualities of Batman instead of the ones he first recognized.

    • @ss16206
      @ss16206 Před 10 měsíci

      Can you please explain what you mean? Like do you mean Dick slowly started to see the negatives instead of the positives? English isn't my strong language so I was having a bit trouble ^^;

    • @justinnewsome3789
      @justinnewsome3789 Před 10 měsíci

      @@ss16206 He seen both sides. And couldn’t deal with the bad. So he left

    • @michaelh5446
      @michaelh5446 Před 10 měsíci +5

      @@ss16206 I'm saying that Dick has outgrown his beliefs/ideas at the time and continues to grow. As a child, he became Robin to gain justice for the murder of his parents. He was able to heal and grow as Robin, but it brought friction against Batman as her got older. With Batman seemingly unwilling to change, Dick outgrew his role to set out alone based on his own beliefs on how to deliver justice and balance life.

    • @ss16206
      @ss16206 Před 10 měsíci

      @@michaelh5446 ah I see
      Thank you!

  • @Flaris
    @Flaris Před rokem +143

    It is sad how things went between Batman and Nightwing. But it is good to have things come back together. Things are complicated and it makes sense considering all that Batman has been through. But it still makes for good drama.

  • @TekkLuthor
    @TekkLuthor Před rokem +304

    Imagine being batcuffed for being criminal and you hear Robin: "Batman how could you?"

  • @yep8673
    @yep8673 Před rokem +122

    When I watched this as a kid I just could not comprehend why Bruce and Dick weren't "friends" anymore. It made me sad as a kid to realize that relationships weren't permanent.

  • @Jetblast01
    @Jetblast01 Před rokem +249

    What makes all things sadder is how Barb and Bruce had a short relationship when Dick was out of the picture for a while. Dick never forgave Bruce after that...that was the end of it.

    • @preetjitsingh328
      @preetjitsingh328 Před rokem +6

      Not in this universe. In another one.

    • @FrankRobinsonGillis54
      @FrankRobinsonGillis54 Před rokem +24

      @@preetjitsingh328 Its definetly canon. They reference it in Batman Mystery of the Batwoman and Batman Beyond, which is in this universe

    • @andrewacacia9851
      @andrewacacia9851 Před rokem +8

      @@NlmbCirclethere was episode that batman was looking at a screen where photos of girls he used to date appeared,guess who was there.

    • @andrewacacia9851
      @andrewacacia9851 Před rokem +2

      @@NlmbCircle batman beyond

    • @klein2042
      @klein2042 Před 5 měsíci

      @@FrankRobinsonGillis54 I'm pretty sure that got exiled from all DCAU canon

  • @kolee8039
    @kolee8039 Před rokem +99

    the life of dcau batman is very sad in general because in the end he distances himself from everyone he’s ever loved and ends up alone all because he wants to continue his mission

    • @seenasoltani1808
      @seenasoltani1808 Před rokem +8

      Yeah he lets the mask and the mission consume him

    • @TECH097
      @TECH097 Před rokem +1

      At least he still has one son in his life.

    • @lunita4664
      @lunita4664 Před 16 dny

      And what is his mission

  • @alexandrefrauches132
    @alexandrefrauches132 Před rokem +60

    Episodes likethese highlight one the things I like about DCAU Batman: He is not a Bat God. Unlike nowadays were alot writers try to portray Batman as "Gary Stu who is always right and can defeat any hero with not problem". DCAU Batman on other hand is detective and badass hero but still has human flaws. Sometimes he lets his dedication self-control and desire to protect others go to far, refusing to admit his faults or have simple dialogue with his allies, resulting in him coming off as cold and distant and his friends like Dick end up leaving because of this attitude.
    However, as showed by the end of these episode, Batman is not heartless, that he is able to see the consequence of his actions and try to redeem himself from his mistakes. He makes mistakes but learns from the experience. It really shows how Bruce Timm, Paul Dini and the other DCAU writer really knew how to write Batman, portraying as heroic and badass but at the same time relatable and human.

    • @Artryom
      @Artryom Před rokem +2

      Only one-shot 1offs and elseworlds and the DCAMU have portrayed Batman like that, eh, less DCAMU though but he’s had his moments. Even in the DCAU JL/JLU they did that, tf you mean?
      They only really portray Batman relatable and human in Batman: TAS and Batman: The new adventures tbh…
      From JL/JLU and some of Superman they just go crazy, even the Legion of superheroes movie.

  • @Ninetails113
    @Ninetails113 Před rokem +73

    Bruce is the best expression of tunnel vision in dc. The thing that he wants the most is a family, but even when he’s made a new family from the ashes of his tragedy; he neglects and pushes them away. Yo focused on his “mission”. Batman is a great example of what happens when we can’t, or won’t move on and heal from our past trauma.

    • @kaijuguy19
      @kaijuguy19 Před 5 měsíci

      It's a good cautionary tale on how one shouldn't focus on the mission to the point where you ignore everything else that's just as important. That's something thankfully other versions of Batman both dark and light toned were able to learn in time.

  • @TheLithp
    @TheLithp Před rokem +168

    Dick can't explain to Barbara because of the whole secret identity thing. That's part of the reason he was so pissed at Bruce for not telling him that Barbara was Batgirl. That whole time he was tearing himself apart over not being able to be 100% with her, Batman could have told him at any moment. But despite saying it "wasn't his place to say," he was just fine telling Barbara about Dick. He told her first. Without even consulting Dick. And, unfortunately, since we know about Bruce Timm's weird obsession with Brucebara, it's highly likely that Batman wanting to bang her played a role in that decision. So, Batman absolutely deserved that punch to the face.

    • @gameraider100
      @gameraider100 Před rokem +24

      This is why I have mixed feelings about the "Old Wounds" episode and Bruce Timm's [more "creative"] involvement in the animated series in general. Initially I wasn't able to put my finger on it when I first saw this episode, but there was something that just rubbed me the wrong way. As much as I can appreciate Bruce's dark descent into "Batman" as Dick is leaving the "Robin" mantle - it really should've been just that - Barbara should not have been used in the way that she was here [what's implied].

    • @leahkent3915
      @leahkent3915 Před rokem +13

      Barbara came to Bruce Wayne's manor. She confided to him that Dick was really upset about something and he would not tell her what it was, but she was very worried about him. Bruce asked her 1 more time to confirm that she was asking out of genuine concern for Dick and that if he told her what it was she would try and understand Dick instead of being angry about it. Then he took her to to the batcave through the house entrance, thus revealing both their identities. He was not trying to hurt Dick at all when he gave up their identities.

    • @hamhockbeans
      @hamhockbeans Před rokem

      Bruce Timm wet dream. Making Batgirl and Batman sex. Making Harley a sex object. All fanboys sharung his fantasy. I love that I don't have to except that cannon.

    • @machtmann2881
      @machtmann2881 Před 10 měsíci +3

      @@leahkent3915 I also don't think Barbara was intentionally used. He did what he thought was best for the both of them. The thing is, Bruce is too fucked him to properly heal Dick in the way that was needed. That's what makes it more tragic: Bruce did not mean for any of this to happen but it still does because that's who he is and all that he is capable of.

  • @kaison12205
    @kaison12205 Před rokem +27

    Nightwing is an awesome character he really is the Peter Parker of dc which is probably why they’re my two favorite heroes.
    Anyway this episode always made me tear up definitely might be my favorite tnba episode

  • @overloadedninja4208
    @overloadedninja4208 Před rokem +68

    Rip Kevin Conroy, he was such a huge part of my childhood and countless others. He died on my birthday only 2 days ago that was the worst news I could’ve received or read about on my 20th.

  • @ShadowWingTronix
    @ShadowWingTronix Před rokem +99

    The comic tie-in Batman Adventures: The Lost Years follows Dick's journey to becoming Nightwing, in a sense following Bruce's footsteps by traveling around the world and picking up unique skills but never really mastering any one. It also shows how he got the gliding wings that I wish the comic counterpart was given. Sadly it doesn't show the part in Old Wounds where Nightwing finds that Bruce helped the guy who was interrogated in front of his son but at least we get a better ending there, where Bruce gives him a chance at being a better father for his son by having a good job instead of being a henchman.

  • @thetalisman963
    @thetalisman963 Před rokem +24

    Dick Grayson is my all time favorite DC hero. He’s never been supplanted. There’s something great about him.

  • @Redshirt434
    @Redshirt434 Před rokem +14

    Old Wounds should always and forever prove that Bruce Wayne is NOT the cold hearted, soulless bastard so many think he is, but a wounded man that care so much, he is literally incapable of expressing it.
    "For all that fierce exterior, I've never seen anyone care as deeply for his fellow man as Bruce Wayne."
    -Amanda Waller-

  • @enlightenedude
    @enlightenedude Před rokem +84

    I love this. I think it speaks to the trauma in all of us.

  • @solidv2
    @solidv2 Před rokem +221

    People will never let the Barbara x Bruce thing go away

    • @geronuis2295
      @geronuis2295 Před rokem +150

      i garauntee the moment we do is the moment they bring it back even worse

    • @thetempleton6622
      @thetempleton6622 Před rokem +54

      I ignored that shit- uhh I mean ship once but it only came back as a killing joke

    • @SSJWolverine
      @SSJWolverine Před rokem +80

      That's because Bruce Timm is still pushing it.

    • @mitchfletcher2386
      @mitchfletcher2386 Před rokem +68

      We would let it go away IF BRUCE TIMM DIDN'T KEEP SUPPORTING IT!!

    • @bohemianbaron
      @bohemianbaron Před rokem +7

      Can we stop pretending Bruce is a good person and wouldn't totally do that? It's not a good thing, but it's in character

  • @YoMamaBih
    @YoMamaBih Před rokem +54

    Beautiful. Simply beautiful. You've even accomplished not making me cringe as much as to the mention of Bruce and Barbara's relationship.

  • @immortallegacy100
    @immortallegacy100 Před rokem +23

    "Robin, wait!" What I like about that line is that Batman isn't upset that Dick doesn't want to be Robin anymore. He's perfectly alright with that. It's that Dick is leaving Barbara too. THAT's what mattered to him most, and probably stung the most along with Dick leaving him as a son. At that moment, they were truly father and son. Bruce is a good man, one of the best, but he is cold and doesn't know how to express himself. He can say that all that matter is the mission all he wants, but truth be told, he loves people and doesn't want ANYBODY to go through the pain he's felt. We wears his pain and burdens as armor, weaponizing it against evil, believing that the world is a better place with Batman than a happy Bruce Wayne. While that sounds very "edgy", for Batman/Bruce it's the truth unlike a lot of other brooding heroes, and ultimately he has a heart of gold. He just hides it.

  • @NeO_SaNdMaN4040
    @NeO_SaNdMaN4040 Před rokem +10

    Rest in Peace, Kevin…

  • @ktanonymous116
    @ktanonymous116 Před rokem +13

    This episode really shows how much Batman changes in the DCAU. If you watch it beginning to end, you can slowly see how Bruce delves more and more into his apathetic side, and by the time of the new artstyle he's almost a different person than when he began in BTAS.

  • @carlbloke8797
    @carlbloke8797 Před rokem +10

    6:34 Glad I’m not the only one that feels this way. It never made sense why Batman never just bothers calling Superman for help with his crime problem especially in TAS lol

    • @rennythespaceguy7285
      @rennythespaceguy7285 Před 4 měsíci

      The animated series makes sense, they hadn't met yet, the new batman adventures onwards is weird

  • @luan28martins4
    @luan28martins4 Před rokem +30

    I like to think that Batman Beyond is an AU where Bruce never apologized to Dick, and so they never became close again. But that there's an universe, the Justice League universe, where Bruce wasn't a ding dong, and Dick comes back to take care of him on his old age and to take the mantle as his own man. Bônus hearthwarming points if he's close when Joker attacks, saving Tim.

    • @bigbobbacharcoal
      @bigbobbacharcoal Před rokem

      Bruce was actually afraid of hurting dick again that's why he avoided him.

    • @rennythespaceguy7285
      @rennythespaceguy7285 Před 4 měsíci

      Nah, Beyond is what this version of the character has coming for his relationship with Barbara, TNBA onwards really make this version of Batman more of a piece of shit than usual. He's does care about people and genuinely want to help but he doesn't deserve Dick's forgiveness after all he did, I like the idea Nightwing is off somewhere in the future being a better man than his father ever was

    • @Zaidoesstuff
      @Zaidoesstuff Před měsícem

      The reason is because Batman fucked batgirl

  • @HwnificintlyHenry
    @HwnificintlyHenry Před rokem +18

    One of the best TNBA episodes

  • @TheDeviantDon
    @TheDeviantDon Před rokem +22

    Y’know, I really want this universe to have more and more installments

  • @Jonathan_McConnell
    @Jonathan_McConnell Před rokem +36

    This channel is a testament to how Batman has affected us.

  • @seenasoltani1808
    @seenasoltani1808 Před rokem +121

    I really like how the DCAU showed Batman slowly over the years go from the more kind hearted compassionate guy to the more cold hardened person he becomes in JLU and Batman Beyond. He slowly sinks deeper and deeper into the abyss, alienating everyone close to him. And it makes sense. If you wear the mask for too long you start to become that which you pretend to be. It’s a really well done character arc.

  • @aguywithalotofopinions412

    Oh god every mention of Bruce's and Barbara's relationship in the DCAU makes my skin crawl. Why Bruce Timm? WHY?!

  • @thehedgehognerd
    @thehedgehognerd Před rokem +32

    This is one of the best episodes of B:TAS. It's really sad to see how Bruce and Dick broke apart after so many years fighting crime. I think we should get a comic in this universe (which is set after this episode) where Nightwing goes to meet with Bruce one on one. Maybe Dick wants to apologise, but Batman says "No....you don't have to be sorry for anything....this was my fault on that roof...my son".....and then....they shake hands. I donno, that's my proposition. Also....I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE "BATMAN GOT BATGIRL PREGNANT" STORY. Thank god, this story is not cannon because if this supposed to be the same Batman who stayed with Ace until she died then....NO, JUST NO! Batman may be cold, closed off from others, doesn't want, maybe doesn't know how, to show his emotions but he cares about others. He understands why some thugs are committing crimes, because they have family to feed or they've run out of luck. When in this episodes he says "It wasn't my place to tell you" and "I thought we had the same goals" I feel he wants to say something that would help Dick...but he's unable to. In Young Justice Season 1 when Batman says "Robin needed to help bring a man who murdered his family to justice", Wonder Woman says "So he could turn out like you?" and Batman replies...."So that he wouldn't". So as you can see my mind has a hardtime to come up with any scenario when Batman, especially DCAU BATMAN would slept with his adopted...NO....his sons girlfriend and Gordon's, Batman's friend, daughter! Anyway, great video my man.

  • @ArmedWithMonkeys
    @ArmedWithMonkeys Před rokem +5

    This was probably the best opening you have ever done. Well done!

  • @aaronmarshall276
    @aaronmarshall276 Před rokem +10

    Always look forward to each upload. This one is top caliber!

  • @mattcaston9546
    @mattcaston9546 Před rokem +2

    I think this was my favorite analysis. Been rewatching several times just because it was so gripping when I was a kid. Great job

  • @guiaraujo3726
    @guiaraujo3726 Před rokem +34

    would love more videos about nightwing, he is such an interisting character, the whole arc of him becoming just like bruce is always good, sidenote, his version in young justice is just perfectly done

  • @NotoriousTim
    @NotoriousTim Před rokem +22

    We've had so many movies focusing on the Bat himself, but I would love something that explores some of the bat family, like Dick and Tim.

  • @Brophyz-
    @Brophyz- Před rokem +1

    Great video, thankyou for articulating the feelings many of us are afraid to face, being afraid of being someone else, so much so we become them, I struggle with this as I know do others and this video helped cushion some of the pain with a bit of understanding, maybe it's time to take trip back home, answer the call, or just check in because even those who may not say it love you. Thanks for that🙏🏽💪🏽💯

  • @bobstevemd3265
    @bobstevemd3265 Před rokem +1

    Amazing work I just found your channel and I live it . Fantastic character breakdowns that give a deeper love for these character. GG

  • @Johnathanbyers
    @Johnathanbyers Před rokem +21

    The duality of bruces brutality and his unwary compassion is what makes him so compelling in stories like this. A great man with some next level communication issues. Its hard to watch him make mistakes with the family but also wholesome when you see him go out of his way to make it up. Even if he cant or wont simply say “sorry”

  • @sktashrik
    @sktashrik Před rokem +8

    Love your videos dude and Love the quality of videos and specially with the frequent uploads. Keep it up.

  • @jackroyaltea5034
    @jackroyaltea5034 Před rokem +5

    Goddamn it. You make me cry each time you post a video.
    Thanks.

  • @avace917
    @avace917 Před 6 měsíci

    What a powerful piece. I love these shows so much. You've definitely done them justice!!

  • @justarandomdude.9285
    @justarandomdude.9285 Před rokem

    Thx buddy, your channel is just what I need.

  • @zacahlhorn2417
    @zacahlhorn2417 Před rokem +25

    Damn this is a good video hit me right in the childhood

  • @hartz9921
    @hartz9921 Před rokem +4

    It’s phenomenal how many in depth video essays have been made on animated Batman episodes. The show and the characters have incredible depth and meaning, beyond just entertaining the audience.
    I think it furthers adds fuel to the notion Batman is more than a comic hero.

  • @MrOrcshaman
    @MrOrcshaman Před 4 měsíci +2

    As a fan of the original series, seeing how deep and complex they made batman in it, how despite putting on the batman persona, you saw him showing true emotional moments in the costume, when he was there beside Jim's hospital bed after saving him from the jazz man holding his hand, or when he held baby doll after she had her emotional breakdown, or how he hoped to save harvey from his psychosis as two face.
    Yet in the new adventures, he just lost so much emotion, he no longer even tried to show emotion to Harvey anymore, he was cold and pragmatic with Harley in mad love instead of trying to relate to her like he did in Harley's Holiday, and the contrast with how he treated Tim as a child to how he treated Dick, it's night and day.
    One thing they never addressed was where the change happened between the early season and the later new adventures with his more withdrawn personality, because despite the character model changes this was the same setting. We never got a legit answer why Bruce became so withdrawn, despite having a full family at this point.

  • @johnbeal6114
    @johnbeal6114 Před rokem +27

    You know this reminds me of the Batman with Robert Pattinson we go through his character Arc throughout the movie he when for being a cold hearted agent of vengeance to becoming the symbol of hope that got them needs it was a fantastic movie I love the fact we go through this journey with Bruce Wayne at Batman

  • @spotty8ee
    @spotty8ee Před rokem +3

    Love your retrospectives!

  • @onepresence9460
    @onepresence9460 Před rokem +7

    Every video about the DCAU, makes me love it even more each day.

  • @manleeman5212
    @manleeman5212 Před rokem +1

    Your videos are always amazing. Thank you thank you thank you

  • @peterly185
    @peterly185 Před rokem +30

    I was listening to this while working, and when you got to the part where you compared Batman to an Asian parent, it really caught my attention because you nailed it.
    Being half Vietnamese and Chinese, my parents always thought what they wanted was what I wanted, or when they had a chance to be a parents, they would go straight to the bigger picture. Being grown, I understand it better, but at the same time it would've been nice to have a parent when I actually needed it.
    Great video and great essay, keep it up!

    • @shadow_realm47
      @shadow_realm47 Před rokem +2

      I'd say that they didn't have the opportunities that we had growing up and thus never understood the freedom to self-actualize that we seek. And they spent their lives fulfilling responsibilities.
      They're not wrong in a way.

  • @VariableZero
    @VariableZero Před rokem +7

    This episode, dare I say the mid half of the Animated Series and afterwards, wouldn’t be the same without Loren Lester. His acting made Robin stand out in every scene that was important to him, and it’s a big reason (for me, anyway) that the Animated Series is as good as it is. The characters and voices had so much passion in them that makes the show stand out amongst its peers, even to this day with cartoons of supposedly higher quality of animation.

  • @nobodyspecial9097
    @nobodyspecial9097 Před rokem +5

    This was amazingly well done

  • @chrisregnetta3205
    @chrisregnetta3205 Před rokem

    Love the way you break these down G keep it up

  • @YungM.D.
    @YungM.D. Před rokem +5

    9:18 I think this moment is supposed to highlight that Batman cares and gives attention to criminals who want to improve. Him choosing to traumatize that man’s family was his way of “scaring him straight” (like-is this what you want? Cops or me breaking down you door, cuffing you in front of your wife and kid?), and Bruce giving him a job and checking in on him was showing that deep down, Batman does care about giving people a second chance who deserve it.

  • @Koohai
    @Koohai Před rokem +11

    Great video on this topic. Dick Grayson was always one of my favorite DC characters.

  • @zero_flair
    @zero_flair Před rokem +4

    Never really thought this much people give a care about Batman and Robin or Bruce and Dick's story. It makes me proud to be DC fan.

  • @feveredmushroomHD
    @feveredmushroomHD Před rokem

    Wow only found you a week ago and almost watched everything...so glad I discovered you ❤️

  • @SenorTortas
    @SenorTortas Před rokem

    These videos are deep. Bravo, Implicitly Pretentious!

  • @thagrizz5497
    @thagrizz5497 Před rokem +16

    I like how nightwing and Harley are actually the most relatable.
    Both work at circus, both being push by 'destructive' people, are the sidekicks, both had to become thier own person

    • @abigails4088
      @abigails4088 Před rokem +2

      and are evidently both really freaky in the sack XD
      I mean, a guy would have to be crazy to want to fuck Harley...
      and a girl would have to be crazy to want to fuck a member of the Bat family...

    • @jjankrom4398
      @jjankrom4398 Před rokem

      @@abigails4088 they do get married in future state, tho it hasn't happened yet(old woman harley) knightwing died in the field, apparently

    • @thagrizz5497
      @thagrizz5497 Před rokem

      @@abigails4088 90 percent of men must be crazy

    • @blacklivesorblackvotes2985
      @blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Před rokem

      Except Harley is evil. Dick isn’t. Big difference. You don’t see Dick participating in what Joker and Harley did to Tim Drake now do ya?

    • @thagrizz5497
      @thagrizz5497 Před rokem +2

      @@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Harley turned more anti hero

  • @shill1444
    @shill1444 Před rokem +3

    Jesus... What a DAMN GREAT video!

  • @SavantPete
    @SavantPete Před rokem +1

    I remember watching this episode on a Sunday afternoon. Such a great episode

  • @margaretstowe8562
    @margaretstowe8562 Před rokem +1

    I really enjoyed this. Thanks.

  • @aidanklobuchar1798
    @aidanklobuchar1798 Před rokem +7

    Just realized that Bruce made Barbara his Harley Quinn. Joker _had_ to be laughing about this hysterically in the background.

  • @maliklofton9148
    @maliklofton9148 Před rokem +16

    Really twisting the knife with Bruce and Barbara's relationship. Completely understandable.

  • @nicklionel9152
    @nicklionel9152 Před 5 měsíci +2

    This is why night wing is my favorite super hero of all time . His story is so relatable

  • @yoboimichproductionsinc.2948

    Bro your videos are such a vibe

  • @ZelphTheWebmancer
    @ZelphTheWebmancer Před rokem +3

    I live to see video essays like this

  • @benc3859
    @benc3859 Před rokem +9

    Dear God, that one really hit home.

  • @yungpassport7897
    @yungpassport7897 Před 5 měsíci

    Masterfully done. How could I not subscribe!

  • @tigeroats913
    @tigeroats913 Před rokem

    i loved ths it went right through my heart thank you for this

  • @nightwing7820
    @nightwing7820 Před rokem +9

    I have to honest even after all this time my relationship with Bruce has never been the same and as far as I can tell it never will be

  • @poetscotty
    @poetscotty Před rokem +4

    I like how in the comics he asked Superman for advice

  • @Riz_Miah
    @Riz_Miah Před rokem +1

    What a great video breaking down this amazing episode

  • @kraenovt
    @kraenovt Před rokem +2

    Really liking all these DCAU contents recently

  • @ZephyrBW
    @ZephyrBW Před rokem +5

    This episode is a time favorite and not just because Robbins voice actor also did iron fist in avengers Earth’s mightiest heroes

  • @adamrbrewer1660
    @adamrbrewer1660 Před rokem +3

    Dude the credits song (the "I was out of town" one) sounds so good on 2 times speed

  • @TheFirstDesertMan
    @TheFirstDesertMan Před rokem +1

    Bloody hell, now I think I have to use the whole summer watching the animated series because this was so f****** good!

  • @TsubasaOfTheSword
    @TsubasaOfTheSword Před rokem +1

    I’m loving all this DCAU content. 👏

  • @secredeath
    @secredeath Před rokem +12

    "Like an ASIAN parent".... me damn 🤨

  • @Nightman221k
    @Nightman221k Před rokem +7

    I wish that the relationship between the Batfamily wasn’t obliterated in Beyond. BTAS and TNBA made it really seem like they were fixing things up.

    • @erykeryk279
      @erykeryk279 Před rokem +1

      No wonder now that many fans dont want to accept Batman Beyond as canon future .

    • @Nightman221k
      @Nightman221k Před rokem

      @@erykeryk279 That's my personal stance, I tend to notice a lot of fans do love Batman Beyond but I feel like the way they made the Bat-family fall apart in an ugly way (Bruce-Barbara-Dick love triangle making all three dislike each other) makes me not enjoy it all that much. In Batman Beyond it's all because the show wants Terry to be the only one that takes care of Bruce and he's in self-imposed loneliness in his old age.

    • @erykeryk279
      @erykeryk279 Před rokem

      @@Nightman221k Okay. Sorry.

  • @mylesgarris1595
    @mylesgarris1595 Před rokem

    These are masterfully crafted expiations👌🏾

  • @leowatley
    @leowatley Před rokem +2

    'angel of the morning' (originally by chip taylor, although i'm quite partial to marianne faithful's cover) is one of my favorite songs ever. most people are probably more familiar with it through shaggy's track 'angel', though.

  • @abagaelhavkin5623
    @abagaelhavkin5623 Před rokem +6

    For everyone who is looking for a song in the video- track list is at 11:40

  • @TheDragonIMA
    @TheDragonIMA Před rokem +13

    I’ve watched rick and morty today. I’ve watched Assassination classroom. Both in their own ways, they are great.
    Then I watched this. I just lost someone in my life. I watched your Lex luthor video. Your justice league unlimited video.
    I can’t be a patreon member but from one aspiring writer to you, I was touched, moved, I felt myself feel I had a soul again.
    Don’t underestimate yourself.

    • @abigails4088
      @abigails4088 Před rokem

      AC really rubbed me just right... and having Sonny play the main role like that was just perfect.
      probably around time I re-watch it...
      I hope you can find your "place" soon... sooner than the 2 years I'm pushing and still lost in that void of grief >.>
      suddenly reminded of Bruce in the Harley series asking Shark about grief periods "is 30 years a normal amount of grieving time?"

    • @abigails4088
      @abigails4088 Před rokem

      "don't underestimate yourself"
      I'll try.

  • @sirreginald9372
    @sirreginald9372 Před rokem

    That was an amazing video thank you

  • @Supahpowahnerd890
    @Supahpowahnerd890 Před rokem

    Excellent analysis. I had more or less the same thoughts when I first saw the episode all those years ago.
    For anyone whose familiar with Weaverdice or at least Wildbow's Worm, I've always thought this kind of situation would be interesting to explore as a trigger event. Imagine being a non-cape sidekick working for years alongside a cape like Batman and feeling driven into a corner by this sort of situation.

  • @robertrogers074
    @robertrogers074 Před rokem +5

    Old wounds was awesome FINALLY seeing Dick Grayson without the mask.