Dominate Your Lydian Dominants | You'll Hear It
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- Are you ready to DOMINATE your lydian dominants? You will be after this instruction from Peter Martin and Adam Maness.
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Adam brings structure while Peter brings the always look ahead chaos that keeps things moving forward.
That's a great partnership right there.
I love this show! It makes me feel like a regular guy listening to a sports radio or TV show, but instead of sport (which I don't really like that much), they talk about my favorite subject in the entire universe and my life: Music!! Genius!
Every musician needs a friend like Adam Maness, He knows all the theory. :)) Thank you guys, you really complement each other.
Wow the little blues improvisation is too cool. He floats through those changes so nicely and the whole mood changes when he goes from mixo to lyd dom
Another observation: Lyd Dom (4th Mel Min mode) is a tritone away from Alt (7th Mel Min mode).
10:33 I just noticed that for a V/V in F, the A triad over the G7 root/shell can move down to either
Ab/C7, matching C alt
or
Ab/Gb7, matching Gb Lyd Dom
Either way, tritone substitution or V, you're borrowing from the same Db Melodic Minor... before landing on F again.
... or upwards to Bb/G which is Gm7 or Bb/C which is C7sus, and then e.g. Ab/C7 and then Gb/C7 which both are C7alt. best, andy
I feel so refreshed with you guys starting in Db. My theory teacher always starts the class in c major and it can be so far from stimulating sometimes. Lovin' the podcast as usual! Be safe, be healthy!
hi, i'm sorry having to disappoint you, but it's totally obvious that the guys chose Db7#11 for demonstration as that's the tritone sub for the V chord in C MAJOR - they just forgot to mention ;-) best, andy
^ Actually, they mention several times that they were resolving to Gb as the 1, so sorry to disappoint you.
@@jazzyoutfit6670 no need to be condescending. Also, they say themselves in the video that they are in Gb
@@clintjones9848 what's your deal lol
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This came in the right time!!! I’m studying my Lydian Dominants right now
Thanks guy. We live in an era where knowledge is very accessible. It has come a long way from when I had to save up my money as a student for Aebersold play along books and transcription ect. Everything is out. Thanks for the sharing.
OK I just say it: I deeply love your classes. The humor, the connection, the essence of jazz: you guys are killing it in every video.
Peter was funny in this video. That smoothie was helping him break free.
Great concepts and playing, as always. Great setup, too. I use the Lydian Chromatic Concept by George Russel and this fits very well within that system. For anyone just learning minor scales, note this. Take a Major Scale and raise the tonic note a half-step, you get the melodic minor scale a whole step above the original, unaltered tonic note. I found this a very easy way to play begin playing (years ago) melodic minor scales. CDEFGABC (C Major) becomes C#DEFGABC#D (D Melodic Minor). It's one little side bit of wisdom I found in George's book. Thanks for the lessons and inspiration.
Your level is mindblowing guys... The blues with lyd dom was wow. This sucks because it makes me want to transcribe it all knowing that i cant do it ahahah. Great!
6:55 love that lick! I'm gonna practice it in all scales and then do variations on it
frenchef7 bill Evans
@@TheKlikko I love Bill Evans. Can you think of any particular example of him playing something similar?
I'm a guitar player who is really just coming to understand these deeper sounds, and you guys just KILLED IT! Of course the playing is spectacular, and the note choices fantastic, but you can hear the Mozart/mathematical perfection of these sounds. GREAT lesson!!!
hey Peter, hey Adam,
i'd like to add 2 further very common domains for lydian dominants:
1. bVII7 - often referred to as the 'backdoor dominant'. in the key of C this would be Bb7#11. The lydian dominant scale would share most of the notes of the C major scale, except Bb and Ab. i think of this chord/scale as a derivate of the minor subdominant of the key (which would be Fm6 with a melodic minor scale).
2. IV7 - the lydian dominant is also often used as a variation of the regular subdominant - which would be Fmaj7 with a lydian scale - by flattening its major7 (E) to dominant7 (Eb) while keeping all the other notes of the C major scale (F7#11 with F lydian dominant scale), you get a nice tension to move back from when coming back to the I chord.
Also, when using the lydian dominant on the II chord (as a V of V), it's very convincing to resolve it to the regular IIm7 first before going to the V chord. think of *take the 'a' train*, where the #11 of the II7#11 chord is given by the melody followed by the 5th of the IIm7 chord.
best, andy
What do you call that when you look at minor subdominants? Someone I've studied with calls this "harmonic regions." For an example, in the key of C
C
Root region Cmaj7 Em7 Am7
Dominant G7 Bm7b5 Em
Subdominant maj Fmaj7 Bbmaj7 Dm7
Subdominant min Fm7 Fm6 (Dm7b5 add 9, 11) FmM7 Bbsus Bb9 Abmaj7 Dbmaj7
Cm
Root region Cm Ebmaj7 Gm7
Dominant G7 G7b13 Bm7b5
Relative maj Ebmaj7
Subdominant Abm7 Abm6 AbmM7 Fm7b5 add 9, 11 Dbsus Db7 Bmaj7 Emaj7
The dominant and subdominant are interchangeable and any of the dominant and subdominant paths can resolve to either Cmaj and Cm. I'm trying to make sense of all this, maybe you could help me.
@@loupgarou39 hi Brandon, thanks for asking me. maybe your question arose as i mentioned the 'minor subdominant'...
if you were 'beaten round the head' with just that list without further detail on how to apply it, i'd hesitate to call that 'teaching'. maybe you were not - who am i to judge. i don't mean that concept is wrong or worthless, i think it's just too wide-ranging to be put in a nutshell like that. if you can't make sense of any part of that concept, why further bother about it. if there are parts that are grasped by you, stay with those.
to get back to the 'minor subdominant' (in major keys!) - i think of it as of an extension of the regular (major) subdominant - or the 'subdominant region' as you called it. in the key of C, the 'plagal cadence' (amen cadence) would be F - C, or Fmaj7 - Cmaj7. you could extend the subdominant region by inserting the minor subdominant before resolving to the I chord: Fmaj7 - Fm6 - Cmaj7. you could then replace the IVm6 chord by bVII7 (which is in fact the same voice-leading with just another bass note) Fmaj7 - Bb7#11 - Cmaj7. also, you could replace the I chord by IIIm7 (an extension of the 'tonic region') Fmaj7 - Fm6 - Em7 or Fmaj7 - Bb7#11 - Em7. An example to use these possibilities is *All of Me*, bars 25-27. best, andy
@@jazzyoutfit6670 It's a concept that I keep discovering new things off. Sure it's challenging but it definitely broadens my concept of V-! or tension and release. I'm trying to find out if people call this something different or if there are different ways of looking at it.
Ah! I see! The iv7 (and the bVII7) can replace V7 as a "back door" progression.
Are you familiar with Barry Harris' Family of Dominants? It says that V7 chord can be replaced by dominant 7th chords that are a minor 3rd a part. For an example, in the key of C major the family of dominants would be G7, Bb7, Db7, E7. You can look at their related ii7 chords and find that they would ordinarily resolve to either the C or it's relative minor (Am) by being either a V7 or bII7 chord.
Sorry for the long post. I'm excited to nerd out with someone about jazz theory during this quarantine.
@@loupgarou39 very welcome to nerding out ;-) as you mentioned barry harris - i love to listen to him playing, but i've to admit that i can hardly listen to his talks any more - all the moaning and groaning about everybody's ignorance and how the new kids on the block like miles, trane, herbie, wayne etc. did it all wrong tends to make me grumpy myself - sorry for that. best, andy
@@jazzyoutfit6670 I had no idea thought those cats were doing it wrong. I like some of his concepts but I got interested in his theory through Sheryl Bailey.
Loved this one. For us theory heads out there, tell Adam he can go as deep as he wants! 😎
I love your content. One of the best channels for the practicing jazz musician!
Adam and Peter at it AGAIN! This was super helpful, thanks guys!
Thank you gentlemen, this came at the perfect time for me!
Always love those intro battles!
one of my favorite lessons so far, so useful
I appreciate this a whole LOT learnt so much, had to jot things down
Another great channel! I thought there was only Aimee Nolte but you guys rock! 👏
That part about adding just a little bit of tension at thanksgiving dinner was a riot!….😂
I love this podcast and the rub between Peter and Adam
Very interesting video. I like the way the dissonant personality mixes with the tonic. Very fun to watch.
George Russell, probably the most recording noted exponent of the Lydian concept, this whole subject matter reminds me of him, however this tutorial is authoritative, via conversational approach teaching method Thanks.
Great stuff!!
Nice session. Thanks
Really Great Stuff! ✌🏼🖐🏼👍🏼
LOVE YOU GUYS
Thank you!
I like videos with both of you the most
i LOVE oPEN sTUDIO !
Sweet!!! Greetings Spain.
Love it
My old teacher used say lydian dominant was what to use on non-resloving dominants. Resolving dominants almost anything works.
W O W !!!!! Thanks sooooo much. Somehow this video finally gave me the connection of the Lydian Dominant and it's use. I'm a guitarist and I can now SEE the notes and shapes. 😃🤎🤩🤘💯
0:12 that descending pattern is epic
The Masters Piano Jazz
AWESOME
I think of it as 2 min7b5 a whole tone about just because you can use min6 inversions stacked wholetone so really cool triad pairs that way
Dmin7/ G7/ C6
Dmin6 Emin6 flipping through descending inversions up one down other with drop 4 ( with arpeggios in between the drop 2 voicings)
Then again you can use Abmin6 Bbmin6 in same way ( for G7 also just like Dmin6 Emin6
I love your podcasts! Helping me brush off my dusty chops 😀! What software do you guys use to display your keyboard at the bottom of the screen? Thanks so much!
Lydian Dominant is my fav Tritone and Backdoor sub. Add some tomato to that shit, baby you got a stew brewin.
didnt know shia labeouf played piano so well
Thanx, Gentlemen 🌹🌹🌹😎
The openings are getting better and better.
Os feras. Theo Master
Lydian dominant scale would be my first choice on a backdoor dominant chord.
Cant beat it
When You are planning a new bootcamp? It was great opportunity to more learn how to play jazz better.
Is Lydian Dominant the new word for Mixolydian? That's what we called it back in the day
Lydian dominant is a mixolydian scale with a #11.
It's the fourth mode of a melodic minor scale, whereas mixolydian is the fifth mode of the major scale.
dope
Great lesson, but you forgot to mention the tritone sub application!
Strange you didn't mention Take the A Train 😀 Based on #11
Thanks!
That is a great story in the end. I guess a lot of us out there think that because we know the stuff intellectually, we are able to play it. That is true, but we stil have to practice to be able to play;o) Because of the virus spreading around the world, I make up small lines to my students and try to encourage them to play them around all 12 keys. Even if it is only one or two bars of music, I think it is better to learn to "practice in all 12 keys" Thanks for all the great stuff and inspiration guys.
Woah this is crazy mehn!!! At (11:13) where 3 6 2 5 1 dominant progression was played, the Lydian dominant scale is built on what degree? Please help me out!! Thanks❤
please play the hyper-ultra-lydian-#17-approximated-flatted-root-superdominant-octatonic-#§$"/%$%§-scale!
For the V/V use of lydian dominant would this work on the first bar of But Not for Me
Theo Masters piano jazz
What is that hat called that Adam is wearing - reminds me of Theonious, I want one haha 😂
What program do you use to show the keyboard on screen?
The Bell?
Actually it looks like a......Bell.
What's the name of the app that shows the piano keys?
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Most effective as a passing chord or as a 1 chord. Dominant????
Jsw DCI Drums A night in Tunisia Eb7#11 Dm13 or Desafinado
Hot House. ?🤔 in a Musical Context. Generally better Tritons Substitutes yes , better , V/V hmm? ==Excessive
I think of this scale as being melodic minor off the ii
I'm gaining a lot of knowledge from your videos.
*Tips hat politely* ...M'Lydian
I watched this yesterday and just thought of something. I'd LOVE to hear you two cover this song together.
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Key of Fm ... bVI - V - i - vi (half dim) ... This tune was composed using math. The fraction 4/37 in base 10 comes out to these numbers in base 12, which can be played in the chromatic scale to reveal this tune. It's literally billions of years old, and popular with all civilizations across the Universe. Enjoy, and please cover this, shred some wild solos, and post a video. You'd be the first to cover it (on Earth). Also, the video description has a link to the website, and there, all is explained. Theory-wise, these songs are absolutely amazing. Sheet music is there.
hi
10:30 Peter being kinda sus
What is this Altered Scale I keep hearing about?
Seventh mode of the melodic minor scale.
Errr guys… I’ve been watching so many of your videos and loving them all BUT… you keep talking about 5-1 chords. You must have covered this waaaay back but I can’t find it.
What IS 5-1?
I’m a lower-intermediate piano basher and I’ve never heard this anywhere else.
Helllllllllp!
(I think I need to spend about ten years locked in a room with guys like you so I can start over!)
If you try to reach players intrested
In studying jazz piano, your not
Helping . i know every scale, chord
Mode, mode of modes, shape of
Line, Rythm , i can see you guys
Are fabulous players !! I dont want
To ruin my phone. Slow down and
Let me understand your insights.
D.l.
It's god damn unfair for you to have hands that big... there's no way I'll ever be able to reach octave+4 semitones :I
15 min.on your axe is a warm-up.
“Who are you supporting in the presidential election?” 😆 brilliant. Thanks a lot guys
My favorite scale and least favorite episode because thanks to Peter I'll never be able to think of #4 #11 without thinking about the dissonance of bringing up presidential politics at dinner bwahaha
#neverenoughlydiandominantepisodes
#neverenoughalteredepsiodes
#neverenoughplayingoutsideepisodes
So interesting … but not easy to follow as a guitar player.
"...touch your instrument 15 minutes a day."
Adam ,the Madness... Why is it that musical educators have gone the long way around renaming all the modes like 'Lydian dominant" when and in fact it is just the Dorian mode with raised 3rd and fourth intervals?It's because they are too lazy when it gets to those two alterations of the melodic minor.It's ultra confusing and elitist. Of course, it's no easy task to re-arrange all those notes in your mind when the root is raised, that I admit is also difficult.It is still a poor compromise. I mean no one renames the Aeolian mode where it's primary use is. Re-naming the Ionian mode to the 'lydian augmented " is just a barbaric butchering of the musical language and a great excuse for not using the true Mixolydian and Lydian mode .I'm just a student of your chanel,thanks, and also a guitarist,but I feel that a change may be on the horizon someday and these misleading shortcut's will become obsolete.
The notification bell looks more like a nose than a fist. So everyone that's frustrated with the current state of affairs should punch that bell, as if it where the nose of all your problems.
Kill me!!!