Norman Finkelstein VS Alan Dershowitz
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Free Palestine from Fascism 🇵🇸
👍 yes !
Free everywhere from fascism. Free Palestine peace.
Yes, free then from the AshkeNazis
3:44 Totally agree with her.
Jordan occupied the WestBank & Egypt occupied Gaza from 1948 -1967. The Palestinians never 👎🏻 complained about being occupied & living under Jordanian & Egyptian rule. They never asked for a Palestinian State…Why not?
Norman Finkelstein doesn't have to give Alan Dershowitz hell. He just tells the truth, and Dershowitz thinks it's hell.
Excellent point. Same can be said of a permanent ceasefire. A ceasefire. Considered to be some kind of "hell" or threat to some folks. Madness
indeed .
President Truman.
@@OmarAli-gy4vw Its Insane..
Dershowitz is Jeffrey Epstein' s successor at the head of Mossad 's blackmail operation : He took over from Jeffrey : he should be in Guananamo being interrogated 24/7 !
"The people of Israel gets to decide on the fate of the people of Palestine! Don't you see? It's a democracy!"
Wait what?
Dershowitz destroying his own argument without Finkelstein saying anything.
@MysteryFaceX-- Also, Israel government gives a script, with THEIR Narrative for USA government to follow... no deviation of the script allowed !! Also, Israel government trying to dismantle USA citizens' 1st Amendment Right to FREE SPEECH and to PEACEFUL PROTEST !! Is Israel a "democracy"?... really... ? That country does not even have a Constitution !
he lost his mind the lol
HAHHAHA
@@iliaschannel3646 He didn't lose his mind, this is just the reality of the Worldview that Dershowitz represents. His idea that the Palestinians are going to be grateful for being ethnically cleansed AGAIN is just a narrative to smooth things over for smooth-brained boomer westerners, for whom WW2 analogies function like Pavlovian conditioning.
Never get tired of listening Dr Norman Finkelstein....he speaks logically
He's amazing, yes
@@nosuchthing8 methodical measure and with little emotion. His rationale is hard to dispute.
The only problem is that I had to speed up the playback speed to 2x 😂
@russellcoight1879 thank you for your post. It's a shame people like you are so rare. Have a happy holidays. I keep thinking that my us tax dollars are going to help fund all this violence.
As a Moor Agreed
Well done Norman for dismantling Jeff Epstiens freinds arguments!
Did you Prophet Muhammad married a 6 year old girl when he was 52, and that tradition has continued for 14 centuries? Just saying.
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@@SaintSwithinsDay Holy shit lmao
I came here to point that out. Well done, Steve. Don't forget your local illegal Mossad operation targeting whistleblowers & protecting those client lists!
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Dershowitz doing what he knows best: defemding criminals.
My highest respect for Prof. Finkelstein!
Very true.....
@@TheNagualWilliamyeah it's true
Me too.
In the back of his mind is always those Epstein photos.
Oh, Finkelstein is being paid all his life to support Islamic terror. Now he works hard to save the Hamas terrorists hiding in their tunnels.
For that guy to say that the Japanese and the Germans were eventually grateful for being bombed and having hundreds of thousand of their friends family members loved ones killed is madness arrogance on the highest level
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And we won't mention they've both been occupied by the US since WWII.
Lol yeah, the US has many bases in Japan and Germany. If you look at us bases and their locations in the world, you can clearly see them sort of form lines surrounding Washington's enemies, now I wont defend Russia or China and their domestic and foreign policy, but any country building military bases around your country, where their politicians float the idea of war around has got to be pretty stressful.
@@halinaqi2194 And people protesting outside those bases, they would not mind them so much if the Servicemen actually respected the law of the country they were in. If they commit crimes in other countries then they should be subject to that countries legal system.
I was in the Air Force, stationed near Frankfurt, late ‘60’s - early ‘70’s, lived on the economy - various towns and villages, had good German friends, a German wife… her family…warm and loving. Her grandmother had a little Gasthaus cafe in her tiny town; but as I reflect on the attitude of the populace, they were generally cowered into polite obeisance when engaging Americans. (almost fearful.) A dangerous BEAST was in their midst. US!!!.
20 years after the war and a kind of shell shock remained.
Beyond words: Shameful.
Why should Israel decide anything about lands they occupy.
Perfect
Maybe because those lands they supposedly occupy committed a massacre in their country on October 7
@LosAngeles8312 and what about before oct 7?????
Usually when someone occupy, or conquer another country the conquered have to live under the oppressors rule or fight back and either come to a resolution or victory 🤔
Bcoz God chose them. LoL.
Israel democracy? Like US democracy? What a joke!
100% agree!
At least the us doesn't dole out voting rights based on ethnicity
Israel is a democracy.
Totally democracy.
Maybe not like the one you so like Iran Saudi Arabia UAE Lebanon Egypt Russia China Yemen Iraq Algeria Tunisia Libya and Palestine.
Ignorance and lies won't help the Palestinians nor is antisemitic.
@@yuvalnatanzon7143🤣😂🤣
Not yet. But they do change voting maps in favor of one party to the other, fl got their way with that this yr. Changes which affect race, age, party affiliate. @@nosuchthing8
Dershowitz is such a shameless liar. I saw him debate Chomsky over this at the Kennedy Centre. The difference in styles was notable.
Dershowitz, in the process of defending so many criminals (whether they're found guilty or not) has resulted in the loss of his humanity.
Norman Finkelstein's knowledge of his subject is indicative of the thoroughness of his style. Kudos to him for his ability to speak so eloquently.
@@voulafisentzidis8830N Finkelstein a Chomsky are the traitors of 🇮🇱 Israel - only democracy in this region !!!!
well didn't lie about 1948 1967 1973 dreams of driving the jews to the sea
Israel is going to rebuild Gaza for the better? Lol. This is comical.
Yes, because living under Hamas is like a week at club med.
The Israelis have stolen Palestine and they build it better for themselves what a shame thieve of lands and homes. Thieve never win.
They're gonna rebuild to be better for THEM. Suddenly they'll have a lot of good land open up to them.
Of the Palestinians, there will be no mention of them.
@@MatthewEGolden Hamas is the symptom, not the cause.
They can build it if they ennex it
Finklestein is an absolute legend and knows his subject better than anyone. He keeps owning that fraud and liar
Norman vs Alan is honesty vs fakeness
Courage versus cowardice.
Outstanding Academic v Jeffery Epstein's friend
Yep
indeed .. there is no doubt about that.
Al was afraid to go toe to toe with questions on live TV about what Ye called, "Jews have too much power" versus Al saying, jews should not be apologetic for the power they have " I feel a most befitting title for the live debate would be "All we have been given, out of reasins of pity for nothing, will now be taken away forevermore"
The whole world is seeing the TRUTH about the illegal occupation. There is no turning back. The world is now knowing what Palestinians have been going through for 75+ years. Blessings, Everyone.💗
Indeed. True
@@dianal4209 Bless you, thank you.
Don't let it slip this time. Hold the line!
Dershowitz says that after Hamas is defeated Israel will rebuild Gaza and it will be like Germany was rebuilt. Only problem is that France didn’t settle 700,000 French on German soil after WW2 and then say OK now you can have what’s left take it or leave it. Also there was no 50+ years of occupation.
💯👍🏿⚖️🤯🥸🫷🤬 Israel is behaving like let me do all the talking....
Let me make all the decisions because I know what's best, I know how to formulate the best Palestinian life, and the best outcome for the Palestinian.
Afterall I've observed the Palestinian for more than 50 years now. So my opinions are very valuable.
We all know that Germany & Japan are vassal states of the US.
I know enough about the Israeli-Palestinian situation to know that is the last thing Palestinians would want. They will never submit to Israeli domination over their lives.
Excellent point.
@@charlenef.9055 Been the Colonial Mindset for Centuries now, same Rhetoric,
GERMANY ISN'T FREE COUNTRY😢
USA AND UK ARE THE BOSSES THERE😢
Norman Finkelstein is a man of principle and Truth❤❤ May God bless you 🙏
Well done Norman Finkelstein
And may god bless
Julian Assange!
He is a hero.
Set him free!
Why does it depend on Israel have the right to decide? Its bizarre ...the Israelis came to israel when there was only 20% jews there...now they get to decide wether Palestine lives or dies or has any land or not? Its extremely dictatorial...not democratic.
It's a "democracy" in which half the governed population are ruled, but have no say.
Israel is the REAL government in the occupied territories.
Because they have a supremacist ideology, and governments in the west co-sign it, along with many ignorant boomer evangelical Christians.
God's chosen People, helped by Western powers, took the land that was theirs even they'd been away for over a thousand years. The title to the land is in their holy book. Don't apply logic here, or you'll be labelled antisemitic.
Amen.
Israel has a powerful military…and they now dominate.
Remember that Alan dershowitz defended jeffrey epstein and oj Simpson.
Mr dershowitz your clown shoes sir 🤡
Don’t forget Trump.
@@lubetime-autorepair7078 was that the impeachment case?
Chomsky hung around with Epstein too.
Also Klaus von Bulow.
Presumably he's obliged to defend without the ability of choosing his clients but it doesn't bode well when dealing with such awful people.
Dirty frikken underpants...imho
Thank you Dr Professor Finkelstein for your truthful talk that is humanitarian ful of Dignity ❤
Hamas is not the problem here, the problem is that the Palestiniens don´t have their own state and are being dectated by the state of Israel which refuses their independance.
It was Palestinians state first.
Much love to all Palestinians from Brazil
Finklestein bodied him.
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He will body anyone on this topic.
Professor Finkelstein gives me hope, maybe human kind is not that bad, maybe. All my respect to this amazing human being, an incredible Professor and writer, and a fundamental activist. His legacy is incredible.*
What hope you talking about? Defending hamas is hope to you
BLESS YOU PROFESSOR FINKLESTIEN
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Owen jones is really good too
@@Sam-fh7ff Yep. Indeed. Definitely. Novara Media and Owen Jones are my favorite 2 channels.
@@Sam-fh7ffYup, yup! I subscribe to his work as well 👍
Richard medhurst ❤
I just love the eloquence of Ash at 11:30. Very fitting use of the F word to convey meaning insightfully and incisively.
Norman Finkelstein is a true man of God!
Professor Dershowitz 's reasoning is like a child whose brain has not developed yet and so constantly lies to prove his points.
People break into your home & say from now on 55% is ours & we make all rules. Are U OK with that ??
Just a remainder, those people were killed by millions in europe and were chased away by muslim countries.
Where else would you like us to go? Enlighten me.
I ask myself this all the time. Israel's logic leaves me with a headache because of their bullshit
You guys should look up their debate on Democracy Now years ago. It is very old but so worth it.
Definitely
I saw that more than 10 years ago and loved it. It's been popping up on the algorithms again. I loved whenever douchowitz would be a weasel, prof Finkelstein would say "Mr. Douchowitz....Mr douchowitz....you're a lawyer....please don't play this game..."
Slapped.
@@Tabish29 this not the OJ trial😂
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 jajaja!!! Yea man..that was a good one 👍🏼 👌 😌
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BRAVO Novara! You are the best place to find truthful and insightful journalism. Novara has intellect and integrity! Thankyou❤
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Thanks a lot, Dalia for your great job!❤
I respect professor Norman so much so well spoken so fair so logical
Where was he ever a professor?
Hama's is an idea, you will never destroy an idea so it is never going to go away.
I love how they expect US and Europe to foot the bill for all the destruction caused by Israel…
But didn’t we create this mess in the first place ?
@@bettybreeze78yeah UK and France pretty much is responsible for this in the long run, decided between 20's and 40's if I'm not mistaken.
@@samueljordan3177 Germany should be paying the Palestinians reparations
Qatar an the UAE will pay
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 pray tell why they should pay?
Everywhere Dersh goes he leaves a trail of slime that’s also on fire and stinks.
Both ladies had fabulous takes, so thoughtful and astute
0:11 don't forget to mention the Dersh is very close friends and legal counsel to our favorite private island and airline host. Very many photos have emerged of their relationship, but when questioned Dershawitz has stated "he always flew with his pants on"
Yes. And he defended Epstein in court and smeared Virginia guiffre (prince andrews accuser) live on newsnight
...He didn't say he kept all parts in his pants.
@ firstnamelastname4179-- yes, he frequently was with Epstein on his island and with the underage women " allegedly" and denies it, he was involved with defending DJT on news shows after Jan6, he was part of defense for OJ !! These say alot about his " moral compass"
The way mr Finkelstein is staring at him is telling… he knows he is being delutional… it is almost pitty
He's not delusional. He's a blatant liar, and Dr.Finkelstein is looking at him with loathing.
Respect to Norman Finkelstein, for his humanity, dignity and calm, rational presentation 🙏🏻🕊
The resistance must continue 🔻
Yes, becauseit brought the palestinans so much joy. They are so happy now, living in a tent in the rain. While their leaders are hidding in rich apartments in qutar.
At best, Israel appears to want a two-state solution run by Israel. Netanyahu is a bit more honest in that he appears to want an ever-larger apartheid Israeli state, preferably run by Israelis without any Palestinians living there.
" The right to sovereignty is not dependent on the grace of a neighbouring state " 😮 I wish the English could actually hear their own words and act on them as regards to Scotland 🤷
And Ireland
Forgive my ignorance but didn't Scotland vote to remain as part of the U.K.?
@@kareemt4526 at least most of Ireland is already free and Northern Ireland is partially so.
@@Doc_Fun 10 years ago before The UK Government broke every single promise it made to keep Scotland in the Union, especially the one about keeping Scotland in the EU. Democracy is about voting every 5 years, but this is being denied.
@@Tojokelly Ah, I understand. Thanks for clarifying.
Alan made it clear "the people of Israel will decide". No one else, not the Palestinians.
Which is exactly why they’ve been attacked. According to Gideon Levy, many states have been guilty of occupation but Israel is the first to occupy & still claim to be the victim. The world is finally waking up!
I’m not far in but to say the Japanese were grateful for what America did back then(dropping nukes btw) is insane
They're still trying to get rid of US military.
You said it all!!!!
Thot America was against killing innocent civilians.
He got away with it though didn't he?
What an unjust world. Thank you Europeans, this is the world you've moulded in your own image. Thanks a lot.
CZcams " The Butchers Apron" 😊
Europeans have nothing to do with it.
@@denischarette-de3teIt was europeans, i.e., Britain, etc., that established the aparthied state of israel in 1948.
Thank u Britain many years ago! 😡
Why not quote John Lennon's imagine? This is the world we have. Blaming history is suffering, it cannot be changed / undone or rewritten, except in imagination which is not real.
Europeans did not invent violence or conquest, many ancient Empires across continents rose and fell over the centuries. The Ottoman Turks were slavers and occupiers, the Incas and Aztecs were not pacificists,
Blame, judgement, comparison and projection are the tools of the sufferer. Life is NOT FAIR, not just, not equal. Kittens born on a rubbish dump in Africa or a birthing centre in Switzerland take their chances.
When life is rejected for what it truly is in favour of what thought decides it should be we have individuals thanking a continent of people for not evolving in the way they want.
Sometimes an individual blaming everything and everyone for their thinking seeks help. They MAY understand that the unjust world they blame on one group has also been replicated by most groups.
We are awake and we will never sleep again!
I like how Ash Sarkar spits out the truth over all the bs.
Ash is exactly the type of person all countries should have in their governments. But alas,only corrupt politicians need aply. Ash is a gem,a good person.
Long before the existence of Hammas, since 1948, Israel never intended to implement a 2-state solution.
You are so right and this is the root of the problem. Israel just using Hamas as an excuse to destroy them. They are the terrorists.
Finkelstein made complete sense where Dershowitz was trying to be pal to all sides.
Palestiniens have the right to have their own state
I seldom find reason to say this, but I'm in Finkelstein's debt !
I learned it's best to freeze all motor functions while staring the Devil in the eye until he stops speaking...
Thank you Norman ...
This is actually their 2nd debate. In the early 2000s, they debated on a program called Democracy Now. Everyone can watch the debate here on CZcams. Norman absolutely demolished Dershowitz on the show. Calling out Dershowitz book for plagiarism. Dershowitz was so humiliated that he pulled strings to have Norman denied tenure at DePaul University, basically affecting Normans academic career. I encourage everyone to watch that first debate between these two. It's epic internet material. That debate is titled.".Norman Finkelstein VS Alan Dershowitz- A lively debate on Democracy Now".
Alan Dershowitz eyes are not blind but his heart is.
Great video it’s disgusting that mainstream media doesn’t report the truth like you do ❤
Yep! Mainstream media is owned by the tribe!! We need yo break up the monopoly!!
If you noticed, at the end of the debate, Alan said all the ugly things he was hiding in his heart
We need norman finkelstein on more platforms
"Israel offered a 2 -state solution", how kind of the occupiers!
Interesting to hear Dershowitz allude to the Marshall Plan here, considering that Secretary of State George Marshall fought an ultimately losing battle within the Truman administration in opposition to the formation of the present-day Israeli state.
Marshall had no particular axe to grind in terms of religion/politics, but he was a pragmatist, and saw no realistic scenario for long-term stability.
I appreciate Dr. Norman Finkelstein for his clarity presenting the reality on the ground. Bravo Sir
Alan Dershowitz never took off his underwear when getting a massage at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion. What a standup guy!
Can someone please explain how the geography works with a TWO state solution?
Gaza and the West Bank aren't connected.
Israel sits between them...
Does this mean Palestine will be two separate places?
I'm pretty sure no Palestinian state would want their oppressors located within their borders
Yeah it's completely ridiculous. Various plans have been floated about creating a Palestinian elevated freeway or a tunnel between the two territories, it's incredibly stupid.
In theory, there would be a corridor where palestinian could travel through, such as passage that is gaurenteed by some peace deal, but the issue are the settelment in the West bank, Israel does not want to let go of these lands.
They need a united, multiethnic democracy that includes all Israelis and Palestinians.
There should be a reconciliation process, no more ap art heid state.
Zionism is eternal war.
How do the 1967 borders look like?
Do you condemn the terrorist organisation the IOF?
@@mihaelaliptcheva-ivanova119
We call it the Israeli Offensive Force.
@@mihaelaliptcheva-ivanova119they have no right to defend
Prof. Finkelstein, Ilan Pappe ,miko Pelled, Gabor Mate, they are the voice of truth & reason. The gems need to be protected. Thank you for speaking the truth. May god bless & protect them.
Dr. Norman Finkelstein is a legend, not sure what Alan Dershowitz was thinking going up against him.
Very funny. Finkelstein is a stiff bully. If you look through his ear you can see straight through to the other side.
My favourite part is when Dershowitz was hell bent on two-state solution then Prof Finkelstein told him the truth about it, then Israel's Ambassador for UK confirmed it.
"But she's wrong!"
Albert Einstein described the proposed creation of Israel as something which conflicted with “the essential nature of Judaism.” by Yvonne Ridley MEMO MIDDLE EAST MONITOR
I think in Palestine leaders like Dr Barguti most be in the front seat for making the future decision for the Palestinian
That'd be lovely, but don't forget Israel labels non-violent politically focused Palestinian as diplomatic terrorists. They even label Palestinian poets as terrorists.
" Only the truth resolves conflict" -- Angelic Presence
That’s like saying Ukraine has the right to sovereignty if Russia allows it. Oh wait…
Did ukraine broke a ceasefire and massacerd thousends of russia citizens?
Does ukrine ideology is that all jews must be killed?
Donbass right not to be AZOV
It's cute and justified when you start swearing Ash! Many excellent and necessary points raised.
Alan Dershowitz must be mad to think Japan is grateful for what America did to them with Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
Thank you! ❤️🙏🏽
Elevating the interests of a foreign entity above those of the citizens of the United States is treason.
This feud has kept the world on fire for decades !
if your moral compass is attuned to the suffering of only one side, your compass is broken, and so is your humanity.
Ms. Ash, I really liked your honest response and reporting.
Thank you. ❤❤❤
The idea that USA would have a Marshall plan with Palestine in the absence of Hamas is disingenuous because: a) if they wanted to they would have done so in the decades leading up to Hamas' rise to power in Gaza. b) They would have done so in the West Bank in the decades since Hamas' rise to power.
I've never seen Norman get called out for misquoting a person or fact.
Let's not forget Israel funded Hamas
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻Thank you, Mr. Finkelstein, for calling a spade a spade.
What I think is often missed in these statistics is that when asking Palestinians, they ask adults and 50% of the population are legally children
Dershowitz is nauseating.
I agree 💯 with you Ash🌹
What's with the rose? 😅
Norm smokin on that dersh pack
Great respect to Dr Norman Finkelstein.
Perhaps if Netanjahu wouldn't have supported the Hamas the way he did - partly through founding by Doha - with millions upon millions of dollars per year there might not have been only the Hamas in Gaza! There would have opposition to the Hamas.
Thank you both
It is not Abbass's fault. You can play by the rules or not play by the rules, they still go on with their agenda to take every inch.
That also abbass fault he a dog
Defense of Israel might be a domestic political imperative…
But might be a global catastrophe
Might be?
It already IS
Greatly appreciate your empathetic & well considered journalism. Thank you for giving me a context that makes everything more challenging to judge on the world stage.
Dr Norman Finkelstein needs to replace that bibi thing as prime minister
Norman Finklestien was incredible once again.
Don’t hold back Ash ❤️
Much respect for professor Norman Finkelstein 👋👋
This young woman is brilliant! She has touched on each and every fact about why a ceasefire is needed. Now.
Great commentary 👌🏾
In addition, what about the Armenians that are being pushed out of Jerusalem?!
Thanks for sharing
Thank you Mrs. Gebrial 💪🏾
Well done girls, 👍👍👍